After leaving the Tigers in a hole, that’s now getting deeper, to play with “new toys” up north, Damien Hardwick has written off the Suns’ finals chances. Caroline Wilson, Jake Niall and Sam McClure question what message that sends to his players.

They also discuss Cats carnage, Bomber voting blocs, coaching manoeuvres, Marcus Bontempelli’s duels with Nick Daicos and Harley Reid and whether the AFL’s biggest stars get paid enough.

Oh, and we debate whether South Australian footy fans should be more insulted about being called “peanuts” or “nuffies”.