The Swans sink to a new low, the Hok-ballers cough up ad-hoc effort, Melbourne "kick themselves to death", and we ask which acronym do the Saints need more: NWM or TDK? All that and more must-listen footy chat in this week's Real Footy podcast with Michael Gleeson, Jake Niall and Sam McClure.

What happens if the big four flop?
41:53

Angry fans, fashion tips and undisciplined Lions
29:05

How a Daicos, Pendlebury masterclass exposed new-look Saints
43:12