The Swans sink to a new low, the Hok-ballers cough up ad-hoc effort, Melbourne "kick themselves to death", and we ask which acronym do the Saints need more: NWM or TDK? All that and more must-listen footy chat in this week's Real Footy podcast with Michael Gleeson, Jake Niall and Sam McClure.

The open secret about the Sydney Swans
46:28

A minefield for tipsters
22:31

Pendlebury might play on in 2027, and why it might not be with Collingwood
44:18