The Swans sink to a new low, the Hok-ballers cough up ad-hoc effort, Melbourne "kick themselves to death", and we ask which acronym do the Saints need more: NWM or TDK? All that and more must-listen footy chat in this week's Real Footy podcast with Michael Gleeson, Jake Niall and Sam McClure.

Preliminary final predictions and Brownlow forecasts
20:16

How Butters blindsided the Cats and thrilled the Dogs
39:06

‘I reckon the winner of this game will win the flag’
22:40