Looking back at traumatic events often adds clarity…and sometimes more drama.
That’s exactly what happens as Bethenny takes a look back at how she found out about Tom’s cheating and what she did about it.
Yeah. So this podcast has been so fun and so crazy because now I'm really thinking about what was going on at the time, and in many cases it feels like yesterday. So it's about Tom. It's funny because I guess it's about time that I think back to these episodes and what was going on in real life, and I remember that the reason that that trip was in Miami. I could be mixing two stories. It might have been because I just had a medical issue, like a profuse bleeding issue, where there was another reason. But we never got the great great trips to begin with, and then there was always some problem that would happen that would make it that we we had to end up just like going somewhere close that looked like we were far, because if you think about the Berserk Shears, you're driving two hours to get the same number of episodes as if you're flying ten hours. So we were so entertaining that it didn't matter really where we were that we would deliver the episodes. And one time we went to Atlantic City and it was explosive. I mean, we don't really have to go far. We could probably just go to New Jersey and stay in a hotel and deliver the same thing as we as if we went to Turks and Caicos, which was a crazy episode in and of itself. But on this occasion we went to Miami, which would disappoint people like Ramona who always wanted this to be the big trip. She'd get her hot bathing suits out, spray tan, do her wardrobe, and she was ready to go, and she would stay somewhere later with Sonya or go earlier. I mean, she made a meal out of these trips. Okay, no one ever made a meal out of a Housewives trip like a Ramona singer, mark my words. Ask anyone who's ever worked with her. For her, it was it was a real trip. She's going to Morocco, and she's going somewhere before or somewhere else after. She's staying with Sony, other going on a different part of Mexico. I mean, God bless, she's an iconic housewife. I was the opposite. No one ever made less of a meal. I would come a day late, leave a day early, and pack it into three days and peace out as the producers. So in Miami, it was about Tom and Luan was engaged to Tom, and I don't know what my relationship with her was then. I think I said it in the episode. We weren't best friends, we weren't enemies, were just on the show together. I'd come back. We were totally fine. We've had some issues in the past, they were never really that big, and none of our issues ever really were anything, and when you think about it, like they never really there were all much to do about nothing. But this time it was much ado about Tom and I think at this time I was friends with Carol, good friends with Carol, and Carol and Luam were very much on the outs because I think their fight stemmed from Luanne taking issue with Carol stealing her chef from her kitchen because Carol was at Luanne's and Adam was in the kitchen and Carol ended up looking up with him, and that was a big, big point of contention for years. And Adam was Noel's friend, Luan's son's friend. So that was messy and just very housewives e and very television and something that in real life probably would't matter that much, but you know, you need to make these shows, so that seemed like a good conflict. So I think that was like what was going on then, So Carol definitely wasn't good friends of Land at that time. They had been previously, and when the name Lou came that that started without that Carol Heather Kristin Era and the relationship seemed ridiculous, I'll say that. I mean, it just seemed like a she a pet relationship that just you added water, and all of a sudden they were just engaged and getting married and it was all a whirlwind romance. But it happens to the best of us, it's happened, and Nicky Hilton, it's happened to Britney Spears, it's it happens. So they were off to the races. But it did seem very forced and very unnatural, and TV will do that to you. It could have been because of the show. Who knows. It could have been the pomp and circumstance the show makes things more exciting. Could have been the shows paying for the wedding. I don't God only knows what it was. And I don't actually think the show did pay for the wedding. But I don't remember if the wedding was televised. I really don't remember anything. I don't know if that wedding was televised. But anyway, so I think she had an engagement party. Yes, she had an engagement pody party on the boat and Palm Beach, and I found out that Luanne and Tom are going down to Florida and that they were having an engagement party on a boat. And then we had our Miami trips, so she was coming from Palm Beach down to Miami to be with us. That's what I'm pretty sure. That's why Tom being out at the Regency making out with someone that same time was insane, Like it was the very week of his their engagement party. So I'm laying in my bed on Mercer Street in my apartment. So this person that I knew from years ago that I reconnected with, not right at this time, probably a couple a year before or six to eight months before. We'd spend a little bit of time together. This person, this person, I listen, it's the Upper east Side, and I don't know how to explain that to you, but this person lived on the Upper east Side, and for some reason, that's the smallest town in the world, and everybody on the Upper east Side knows what everybody else is doing, and it's just the same twenty restaurants that everyone goes to, and you could probably see the same twenty hair salons or nail places and or used to be barneys, and it's just it's just a little world. So this person had mentioned before Tom being a little shady in this regard. You know that he was tripping the life fantastic and he had a reputation, particularly on the Upper East Side, having dated many people to people on our show, but also going around a little bit. It's hard to say a player because he doesn't exactly look like the player profile, but you know that a breast side guy who wants to be a player because he's got a couple of dollars in his pocket. So this person had mentioned him to me before. And obviously there's always a circle of people that want to tell you things because you're on the Housewives, and that just they somehow wanted to land inside the show. They don't want to be on the show, and they don't want their names to be on the show, but they just want it to land inside the show. Because a lot of what's happening on reality television is fraudulent. It's either someone's rented their car and pretending that it's really there's or their house, or they really bankrupt, or they owe someone money, or they're cheating, and the people that are close to them, that live close to them, I know that what's airing to the rest of America and internationally is bullshit, So it always bothers them. Think about it. You're in a Call to sac and Jane down the street is fronting and stunting on television, and you know what everyone's seeing, and you're like, wait a second, what are you talking. She cheating at her husband, They have no money, that's not a real car. It's going to annoy you because you probably don't like Jane, who lives in your Call to Act to begin with. And then you're seeing all this phoniness and that's very common on the housewise, I can tell you that. So this person knew both parties, and I couldn't believe it was being portrayed in the media and on the show. I guess this season prior, you know, it was so long ago. So this person sent me a picture thinking it was just like fodder, like fun. Thought didn't know. I'm going down to Florida to this person's engagement celebration weekend and sends me a text with a picture of Tom and this woman making out, because in my mind, I'm like, oh my god, I'm going down to Florida. I'm going down to Florida to be like at our engagement party and be on a weekend with her and going down there. I told the producers that's whatever nobody does. You can hate me or not. I wasn't, you know, I told the producers. I did not. I don't know that I told Carol. I don't remember. Maybe I told Carol and Ramona. I don't remember. I think it came out in the story that I told Carol or Ramona, and the producers wanted me to say it right away, like say it right away, and I didn't want to ruin the weekend, and I didn't want it to be like I'm dumping this now because I want this to be with the weekend is about and I could. I didn't know when to say this and how to say it, and I we were in all these scenes with everybody, and I was trying to pick up clues. Oh, and I think that's why I asked her if she was in an open relationship, because you know how it is the messenger is gonna get shot, and I thought, maybe this is okay with them to each his own. I'm not judgmental about nontraditional relationships. Maybe this is like the way they roll, and I don't want and all that met all that is gonna happen. I'm gonna get it in the middle of this and be the messenger that gets shot, which is what happened anyway. So I really didn't know how to enter and play double dutch. I was like So, I was trying to ask her different questions, and I just my mind kept playing tricks on me, like if I television, i'd be like, oh, it doesn't matter, we have an open relationship, or I don't know. So I ended up telling her, and then I didn't want to live in it. You know. It was sort of like her intervention. Someone called me to go over to her house years later. I'll tell that story another time. And I ended up immersed, just like everything else. If I do really, I'm immersed. If I do any project, I'm immersed. So I was immersed in this now and I kind of didn't want to be. I don't want to be. I just wanted to dump it and walk away. I wanted to play hot Potato, and you knew you were gonna be shot. I was a messenger that got shot in Luan was the woman who doesn't want to know. And I guess there's about half the people don't really want to know. So the question is would you want to know? And she forgave him, and cheaters are going to cheat, and I respect the fact that she believed in love and she wanted to love him, and who knows. It's a it's a weird age. You feel like you're not gonna sign somebody again. She found somebody and they were like minded in certain ways of both like to travel and I don't know, and that's to be to be honest, that's when the show in real life are blurred because let's discuss this. So here's the real thing. In my quote unquote real life. I'm not friendly with Louanne, so I don't talk to Luanne. So would I tell her this now? Like I probably wouldn't, But I also wouldn't be going on a trip with her to Miami. So now I'm like in this weird And it's so funny because there was a quote I think page six where Andy was like, I'm just shocked she's doing this podcast because you know, she thought The Housewives was toxic. I don't think they're not mutually exclusive. I do think The Housewives is toxic. And I'm doing this podcast because I get to have these conversations and give you clarification on Colra on something that was happening. So it's like Bethany should have told, she shouldn't have told. But I'm not friends. I wasn't really friends. I was really friends with Carol, I was really friends with Jill, and I was really friends with Dorinda. You know, um and I am and I love Sonya like I am friends with Sonia and I you know, I have a lot of respect for uh, Dorinda and Housewives and other cities, and I Kyle for years and all this stuff. But even if you were friends with someone, getting on the show as someone is very tricky. And you see that with Kyle and her own sister. You said, up with Melissa and her sister in law and Melissa and her own brother. So trust me, these things don't happen because it's not complicated. So Luanne and I we're not friends. Off camera, people forge friendships for the camera because they need alliances, and you know it's it's a dangerous, scary game. So it's this fictitious hypothetical situation. Should you tell Luanne in what world? In the world where I'm on television being produced and have forged friendships and text people, And I think it's real because it is real in the moment, So like it's real in the moment when um, I'm in Puerto Rico and I'm seeing people up to their ankles in in in filthy water, but like that's not my all the time life. You become very present in that. If I'm sitting in at dinner with Luanne and I'm present in it, I know her, I've gotten to know her better because I'm on a show with her. But this is a hypothetical situation that's now happened. It's it brings theory into the reality because now I have to tell Luan on a show. Because also you can't hold information on a show, like it just doesn't work like that. If if if someone's husband is cheating, it's coming onto the show. It's just like it's just an unwritten rule with everyone. You've seen a thousand times someone's bankrupt, but they say they have money. You have to say it someone you know about the lawsuit. There's a lawsuit that's happening. You have to say it. You have to say it all mentioned all, mentioned it all. You have to mention it all on reality TV. So that's this weird world where people judge the actions of housewives that are acting under this false pretense, not because it's lying and not because it's not real, just because it's hypothetical. It's happening because someone's put you in this experiment where Ramona, myself, and luand are in the same friend group, and that's just not the case in real life. So that's why reality television is different, and that's why it can't be held to the same standards. And that's why I left, and that's why I'm here talking about it. So I like clarifying all this because I forget about it and I forget what it was like. 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Yeah, this was such a crazy situation because you I knew I was walking into a ship storm. I'm on a show. The nature of the beast of being on a show is we're supposed to be revealing ourselves. The nature of this process, sorry, if this is going to be disappointing, is that you're not really friends with these people. It's very hard for them to cast shows where people are really friends in groups that everybody would want to do it, that you would even do it with your friends. It just doesn't work out, and then if all your friends are similar to you, they're not going to cast a bunch of views. So all of us are so different, they need to cast different people. But they really would like brought they being Bravo and casting that people do have a natural connection. But look, Housewives started and at one point, you know, I was the only legally married person there on the Real Housewives of New York City. So it's kind of it's real because you're put into situations and reacting in a real way, but the situations that you're put into are not real, So that's what makes it challenging. Garcel Bouvet and Erica aren't hanging out in a regular on a regular basis. Luanne and I aren't the same type of person, nor a Ramona and I. And in a sense though what is authentic. Jill, Ramona and Luan did run in overlapping circles. They have friends in common. That makes it a little more interesting also for birthday parties and just a natural progression. I was an outlier. I was not friends with any of these people. I knew I had met Jill and that was it. I had met Jill. So now you're on a show with people that you aren't and you become friends with them through this process because you have dinner on television in front of a camera with other people, and you enjoy yourself because you're having a nice meal and you're having a nice conversation, and you do get to know people, and you do go to events of theirs. That's what's crazy too. People are invited to people's weddings that would never be invited to their weddings, but the producers insist that you invite them to your bachelortte party. And you get frustrated because like that wouldn't happen, but you would sign up for the show. It's a circular reference. You sign up for the show. You have to be real and you have to engage with these people and you have to shoot these scenes. It also becomes a double dip one stop shop. Okay, you know, I don't entertain really that much a lot. I have nice China. I want to show off my house. The show is going to deal with most of it. Sure, we'll have a party at my house with these people. As if this is who I would invite over for the holidays. It's not. But you do within the show and you end up enjoying yourself because you get dressed up, you put makeup on, you have a drink, you're talking to people, you're shooting a show. You're doing ten things at once, but none of them are based what your normal life would be before or after. And anybody who says it is is not telling the truth. And that's just the fact of the matter. So, yes, people forge friendships through the process. That does happen. It's rare, um, it's rare, and I give them credit for ending up being able to work together. And then it gets challenging because they're working together and something comes out, and it's hard to watch someone else be an authentic and it's hard to sign up for this process and watch someone else be dishonest about something, even if they're your closest relative. It's annoying to look at someone like, that's not what are you talking about, because then you're getting dirty in there. Not So let's just say, what's happening with Kyle and Cathy. This is a speculation, it's just an example. Or Teresa and Melissa, whatever it is, they've known each other for years. It becomes awkward and it's coming out because other people will hold you accountable other people on the show. Wait a second, we're not going to talk about that. And then also you're getting dirty you've been doing the show for years, or you're bringing it all out there and you're you know, getting taking hits and you're watching someone else not take any hits. And then and you're you're you're supposed to protect people and they signed up for the show too, that's what the show is. So I say all this to say that with lu Anne, could I have called her separately off the show. I'm sure I could have. It's not even part of what was going on. It's almost like a fraudulent relationship to begin with her and Tom. It started and it started on the show pretty much. I mean, she didn't meet him on the show. It started because Dorinda introduced her to him, and then it perpetuated on the show and he came on the show. He signed up for this too. Like if people are not even part of this and have never showed up on the show, like someone's child, We're not gonna start talking with Sonya's daughter who's never been on the show, and you know it's just a child. But if someone's person has never been on the show. You know that's not really fair game. You can't come on the show and it's all fun and games. Like Tom can't just come on the show and be like, yes, I'm rich and I'm a bachelor and I'm engaged and then you know, something happens and then it's not on the show. You can't have it both ways, and you can't play stupid and smart at the same time. So Tom was brought into the show by Luanne Dorinda adjacent. No fault to Dorenda. Now, their engagement is a character. They're on the show. Their marriage and the mistake that she's about to make is a character on the show. So you know what, you're damn right, I'm going to mention it all. So that's why I didn't say it is slightly. We can't pick and choose. Believe me, if it was me, it would be the same thing. You're up for grabs. So that's why, and that's why everyone's bankruptcies and cheating and lawsuits and all. The ship comes up. And that's why in normal life, it doesn't come up and pick up and drop off, you know, like, oh, hey, I heard your fucking your sister's husband it doesn't come up because they didn't sign up for this process. This is a group that signed up for this process. You know. I tried to explain to somebody that if I see somebody annoying and my daughter's school like a drop off, I'm not gonna be like, Wow, that's an interesting choice of blush color. But guess what, you're on The Housewives. You damn fucking right, it's gonna come up because that's what the show is. That's the nature of the past. It's use your outside voice. It's hide nothing, be vulnerole, be honest, be open, and hide nothing and let no one else hide anything. So if I know that Tim Lee tried on wedding dresses ahead of her wedding, I like, Tinsley, I don't care. Do whatever you want, cross dress, where your wedding dressed, to the gym. It's not my goddamn business. I'm on a show where this is the point. Tinsley and I are not do not know each other outside of the show. We met on the show. So you gotta bring it up, you gotta mention it all. That's what everybody's doing, that's what goes on. So yes, I mentioned it all. But I knew coming in that if I'm gonna mention this picture, I better fucking come correct and have my receipts, which is why I had the time stamp. You can look up. I never knew this the time stamp. You know the question, what time was this? Oh, that couldn't have been. He was in a Halloween costume with another woman at a bar at that time, Like you had to have your ship tight. So I knew the time stamp. And then I called the restaurant and bluffed them into telling me, yeah, they were here for a long time, and she paid the bill because I acted like I knew you got If you're catching so much cheating or doing something, you have all the details. Doesn't have to be on reality television. If you decide you're gonna tell somebody, you better know everything because you're gonna get shot. And I knew i'd be the messenger that get shot. How could I not? And it played exactly how I thought. She'd be nice in the beginning, and then she'd go off and be back to hypnotize and want to be with him, and that's okay, it happens, and you know, there you go, and you saw it all come to fruition at the party, uh, the Sinco de Mayo party. So that's what happened. I happened to be and it's great, yes, And of course you know I took such an interest in her life. They thought at one point she thought that I got a private private investigator, there would be like five thousand dollars. You're gonna spend five thousand dollars to see what the fun Tom's doing. It was just crazy. That's what happens on reality TV because most people are lying about something. I've seen on this show, lying about having a car, lying about plastic surgery, lying about how much money you have, lying about your house and the situation with the mortgage, or whether you really I've seen lying every which way but Sunday upside down. Okay, that's I've just seen it in so many different ways. So everybody that's a viewer, all the people on the show have quote unquote friends and freenemies and enemies watching and they are like, what. It drove people crazy. When we first launched that people were calling themselves socialites. New York Magazine wrote an article about them being social It made the real social lites crazy. They were so frustrated. And I've seen some of them. I saw them at the after party for the met Galla one year, and they were like, oh my god, dolling like because they're the real social lits, which is also a different shade of bullshit. Tinsley is now played in both ponds. She's played in quote unquote real social lites just as big a bunch of Fronten and Stunton Phoe bullshit superficial losers as we are. They're just real social lights. And Tensely was a real social lite in w magazine and all that ship. She's played both sides. She's done that. She knows that's just as big a bunch of bullshit as this is. The real social lits just aren't allowed to buy their husbands do it, or by their family names do it, or they think they're above it, and they couldn't possibly. But the real social lights were so frustrated by the pot the phocial lights, the focial lights drove them nuts because they think they're real. Oh, there may be bigger losers over there, and I know them all, and I know them both. I can't it's just different losers. And that's why when certain people come from oh, a real fashion person or a real this, and they come on the Housewives and they think they're gonna be a cut above because they're real. That's different. They come on and there's still lunatics and crazy and bat shit, and we will crack open someone's crazy like a goddamn panada you saw, like Kelly was, Kelly was a real model marriage gil Ben Simon. All that stuff sounds good when they're coming in. Then they come in and they're like, oh fuck, I've been found out. Nothing will crack open someone's true character, Like the house was like a real fucking pinata, whether we're friends with the other people or not. So I said what I said, I mentioned at all, and I would do it again if I were on that show. But I am not. I left the Housewives. It wasn't good for me, and it wasn't what I walked into all those years ago. Also, sorry, not sorry. The biggest thing that ever happened wasn't I'm up here, you're down here, or a table flip like crazy ship has gone on. So yes, I left that. I don't want to be there. That's my own choice. You know what else is my own choice to talk about it and reflect on my experience years later, iconic episodes and also like in my on my Own terms, on my own show, I when I was there, I had no control. I didn't produce the show. I didn't decide the trips. I didn't decide the restaurants. I didn't decide what we were doing. I didn't decide who I get to hang out with. I had an experience where I cast somebody. I gave this person. It happened a couple of times, and right before filming I found out that that person was going to be on the show. Like, no one's gonna tell me that the person that I brought in? Why did I even go out of my way to cast all those people? It makes you feel insulted in like a loser, right. It makes you feel like you're the last one to know. Kelly Rippe has described finding out on air that she um that her hosts worry they're leaving or you know, being replaced or something. On air she found out like a schmuck. I felt like the schmuck, Like, wait, what, I have not no control where ponds, where puppets, no sheep, no control no control over editing. Something terrible happens, something's discussed about somebody you love that's really damaging. No, it doesn't matter. I can't beg They don't care. You say something by accident that's terrible, could have ruined your life, gets you canceled, affect everything you built in your life. Don't know you have no control over that. Okay. I have seen Ramona beg plead and cry. I have seen Kyle beg plead and cry. They don't want that stuff take put in there. It affects their lives and their family. Doesn't fucking matter. They don't have the power to take it out. They made a mistake. Mistakes are great for reality television. Mistakes are what make reality television thrive. Someone is off the wagon and they go back on. Get the cameras up. Someone's an addict and they're doing what you know, they're not supposed to be doing as an addict. Get the cameras. You know. That's just that's been that's what it is. That is not what we're doing here. So let's just so that was not on my own terms. This is on my own terms. Another thing, listen to the show. It's that a trash and grabbed ever a trashing people were giving color and breaking things down. We're talking and I'm reflecting on an experience and my alma mater. I've a right to talk about something I experience. I didn't know I was in the Handmaid's Tale and housewives and Housewives hosts are gonna, you know, scold me because I did think it was toxic and I did leave, and I explained very very nicely why I left. I didn't say it's a ship box. I didn't say I said it's toxic and it wasn't where I wanted to be. That's what I've said in the US. That's the truth over here. You leave your college, maybe it wasn't a good experience. You can you're still allowed. And I thought, ine with freedom of speech to talk about the college you left. You were on you know, a TV show years ago. You were unsaved. But by the belt, I said to Mario, maybe that wasn't his best time of his life. He's still allowed as a grown ass man to talk about say by the belt, like go on and on. You had a job you hated, You're allowed to talk about it. You had a marriage, or next you hated, you had a teacher, You're you hated or you didn't like, or that you didn't want to beat you not even hated. You had a job that you chose to leave last I checked out of Gill Lead. You're allowed to talk about that job, So I am allowed to talk about my former life. That was a quarter of my life. Did I get a lot bot of me? Was? Did I go to the invasion of the body Snatchers and they removed part of my brain? So I'm not going to talk about something that was a quarter of my life. Ladies and gentlemen like, what, Yeah, that's my alma mater, and I also made that as much as that made me a different caliber person has gone on since me to try to do what I've done and ask the producers. They've said that so good, I've paved the way. But I'm allowed to talk about the way that I paved. Next thing. I am not a disgruntled employee that was fired. Many podcasts and many you know, many podcasts or many people go on to talk about that experience. They've been fired. They have a skewed perspective. They're not happy, they want to be there, they're angry, they're frustrated, they want to give snark. I want to celebrate the craziness and how funny and ridiculous it was at its best, by the way, many of these episodes I'm doing, or when it was at its best, you don't see me talking right now that Jen Shaw scamming people, allegedly scamming people through a telemarketing scheme. I don't find that to be can't be and amusing. I haven't seen that show, but from what it sounds like, it doesn't sound fun. So if you're gonna come for me, you better come with everything you got. And if you're gonna take a shot at this bee, you're better not motherfucking miss because this time you all missed. So about Tom is about a man who who was stupid enough to cheat, who was drinking, which is something he seemed to do very often and in volume, and a woman that truth be told. I wasn't happy to deliver that news. Many times I will not lie on house as you're kind of like, wow, you want to stick it to somebody. This was not one of those times I was. I felt badly for her. A woman of a certain age wants to be in a relationship met a guy he seemed to check some boxes had a couple of dollars. You know, lives in New York. Who likes to run around like the Jets, that likes to drink like the party, like to travel, is very social at night like it seemed like a good fit. Wants to get married again, loves to be loved. Luanna's a hopeless romantic. Now she's going down the wrong road. I was still on the worst road in my life, and I couldn't even really talk about it. So you're watching someone walk into a fire and you want to tell them not to walk in. It happened years later, which we'll get into about an intervention with lan I. I staged an intervention. Everybody involved will verify that I was leading the charge. I took days of my life. I got her paid for a reunion that she would never have gotten paid for. I got her sent to rehab and it paid for and she left early. And I don't do anything half ass. So I walked into this and I didn't want her to marry him. I thought I was helping her, and you see what happened years later. But we all make mistakes. She was the woman who didn't want to know, and you know she might have been a woman that doesn't really care about fidelity that much, and that's her body and her choice also, So I said what I said, I did what I did. It was an explosive, crazy, iconic, high rating episode because usually these episodes that are multiple, multiple to be continued episodes, or usually these trips that are multiple to be continued episodes, you have to go all the way to France to get that kind of drama. That was pretty insane, and it didn't unfold the way that I thought it would. I can't believe it. It It was crazy that that happened, but it happened. And truth is stranger than fiction. So Luann didn't want to know, and it was all about time. I will be watching It's About Tom with Kevin Nealon, so we are going to break down this episode and it's going to be one for the ages, one for the books, an amazing