The Rennae Stubbs Tennis PodcastBen Shelton! Frances Tiafoe! Please learn how to volley—Rennae will be hosting an ATP clinic on the matter. In the meantime, we discuss the rise of French giant Giovanni Mpetshi Perricard and how some players are using the Asia to springboard back into form—looking at you, Sofia Kenin. Plus foodpix and reader questions, of course.
Hi everyone, and welcome to the Renee Stubbs Tennis Podcast. It is me Renee Stubbs with my trustee. What do we call you?
Mensch?
Wow? I was not thinking that. But to all of our listeners out there, So those of you that know us so well, that listen to us, that bear with us every single week, we have a funny story to tell you. Now, if you follow me on Instagram, you would have already known the answer to this, or you would have had a little chuckle to yourself. But my friend here, Caitlin, came in last week and spouted this on her way in. Would you like to repeat it?
Guess who? I just ran into Star of Stage and Screen f Murray Abraham, to which Renee replied who?
And then can you believe it? I saw the photo and oh yeah, yeh, yeah, I know that guy. He's a great actor. He's been in some of my favorite shows, including Homeland, where I loved him, and Dais of course, YadA YadA. And so here's little old Renee walking around the West Village the other day and trying to find a breakfast spot with Eden and we're going to find something and we went to go into this one place that she went to about five days earlier. I can't remember the name of it now, which is Poets something or other I wrote. Anyway, I was on sixth and I'm standing there and I'm contemplating going in. I'm like, ah, is it really my vibe right now? And sure enough, I hear this voice behind me. Go go in, You'll love it. It's great. I turn around and who is it? Marie Irah, can you believe it? I almost said to him, Bro, Sorry, I didn't know the name to the face, because I definitely know the face. We talked about you on the pod, but I didn't think he'd sort of really want to hear that when he's and then he's all of his friends arrived, whether it be family members or just people in New York. But just to let everyone no out there, this is what happens in New York City.
It's also yes, sure everyone went to the Timoth Tay Charala may look like, hey, that's apparently how you pronounce it. Look like contest, but there's old school, cool, deep cut actors like f Murray Abraham running around. And when I reposted your photo of him from that brunch spot, no fewer than four of my friends immediately wrote back Salieri, which is a character in Amadaeus, which sort of tells you about my friend group. Yeah, because we're nerds anyway.
Are they the nerds that don't like the basketball? Or are they the nordes that like the basketball? You're just the one that doesn't like the basketball.
One or two of them likes the basketball.
Okay, all right, Well that's a fifty to fifty switch.
Yeah, I mean half of them don't like sports.
I mean, that sounds like the election.
Most of them don't like sports at all. So my crew is much more of the you know, the book reading in the evening as opposed to attending a live sports event crowd.
That's all right, and no judgment here, as long as they went at the MSG the other day. Just kidding, Okay, it's not even really. It was so funny. I was sitting at a cafe and these bros, like five of them were sitting next to us when we did find a cafe to eat at but didn't entail having f Murray there, and they were like, hey, man, did you go did you want to go to Madison Square Garden? I mean, and guys like, why the fuck would I go there and then the other guys I don't know, just to sort of see the craziness, and I was like, no, I don't want to go anywhere near Madison Square Garden in a good on a good day, unless you're go into penn and you're like trying to get out of the city. But particularly on that.
Day, it is a convenient, much like I've said about pickleball tournaments, a convenient spot for a holiday, for a swarm of bees. But other than that, you know, I choose to not let any of that information contail brain, just enter into my brain. What am I doing. I'm donating, I'm voting people I know are canvassing. I'm supporting them, and that's it. Like I don't have any room or bandwidth for taking in any crazy. There's too much crazy. I don't need additional crazy, as somebody who spent three election say calls covering presidential campaigns enough. I'm good.
My friend Jill Bream, who you know who works at SNL doing all the clothing. I texted her last night. I said, hey, we're at thirty Rock. I went there for something else and she goes, oh cool, I'm I'm a phone banking and then she said, I just spoke to a felon and he can't vote. I said, did you call.
Donald former president?
Yeah? Anyway, all right, let's get off of that. No wnba this week, no polytics. We're going to talk tennis because that's what we do.
On This is the next time we record this podcast. Going to be on election day. Oh my god, are you going to be here?
Yeah? No, I'm going to be here. I'm not leaving till like the thirteenth or fourteen, hopefully the election is already has been decided by the Christmas Holy.
Last minute flight out of the country to just go sit this out.
You know where we're gonna go. We're gonna go to Puerto Rico.
Puerto Rico, a beautiful place that everyone should visit, with amazing food and great people.
Love Puerto Rico and we love the Puerto Ricans. Anyway, So listen, let's get into it. Let's talk a little bit before we get into the WTA finals and some of your questions that everyone wrote to us. Again. Hall of Fame inductees in particular, of course, congratulations to the Brian Brothers, the greatest doubles team of all time. They have been elected into the Hall of Fame. So Mike and Bobby, congratulations, well deserved, two of the great guys.
No brainer on to it.
And then Maria Sharapova.
Which listeners of this podcast will remember, we just discussed this and then mered days later the announcement was made. I'm thrilled. I'm happy to see her, and she's a lark, you know, get I think I get your point. I think you're not the only person who believes that there is a bit of an asterisk around anybody who has tested positive end been suspended, which she has, with Halle, which Halla has and some others.
How it just breathe a sigh of relief.
Halla was like, oh good, I can still get.
It's still in you. Should I get to talk for me?
Yeah, I think for me. Maria's career and her success on all surfaces speaks for itself. She got better as the years went on. You know, I think a lot of people want to ding her because she was Serena's sort of foil. Certainly in terms of the off court endorsements, while on the on court record had had it was pretty one on, equivocally one sided there, you know, Maria got two wins early in that rivalry and then not.
Two big ones Wimbledon final, w t A finals.
But that was it. That was it for fifteen years.
Actually, the greatest match I ever saw Serena play, and I saw her play a lot of great tennis the finals of the Olympics in London.
Man, it was it owen one.
Yeah, something like that. It was. I was doing the commentary Mary Carillo, and Maria hit a great serve out wide. I remember it was like a big serve, like one fifteen or something, and Serena literally turned her shoulders and just crushed a foehand down the line at about one hundred and twenty I think, going back down the line and where we sit in the booths at booth at Wimbledon's right on court level, and I just looked at Maria to Mary Corilla and I just would sometimes there are just no words. There are just no words. I mean, I've never seen anyone play better than that match. It was like all the loss that she did have against Maria back, you know, especially on that court, on that court, was just it entered her body and she said not today.
That's really one of the things that I love about Maria. I mean, I love about Serena, and I wonder if there are any other players like that who for them. I suspect Novak maybe, Yeah, there's a certain player or players that they're just like. Not today, it seems like Serena, even if she was having kind of a mid tournament, even if she dropped a set prior, look kind of sloppy. The second she walked down on court against Maria Sharapova, you knew she was. She refused not only to lose, but just like lose points, lose games. I don't think she lost a set to Maria for the fifteen years following those two losses. I could be wrong about the set, but like, it was not close. No, it was not close, and you got the sense that she was just like, oh now is is now? Is now? Is my time to shine? And I wonder are there any other players like that? Novak with maybe Rafa or Federer, towards the end, felt like maybe he felt like he needed to find every one of his gears. I'm not sure if there's anything inheritable.
I think on the men's side, I would say that Novak maybe, but I think there was nobody that held a grudge.
Yeah, it felt grudge.
Revenge, It felt grudgal. Then Serena Williams, which is one of the reasons reasons why she was so great because she was never into complacency. It was always like Okay, well then y fresh, I am not going to happen again.
Before we get into reader questions, I do want to talk a little bit about because there are some great results over the weekend that I'm really excited about. I know this is a tournament phase part of the schedule that people are not that excited about, but I think oftentimes we can see new beginnings, you know, new portends that are maybe storylines that are going to come into the next season's play beyond, yeah, beyond. Like Naomi Osaka made her first real run in Japan prior to her winning Indian Wells, prior.
To considering a real run, like two matches.
No uh Naasaka got to the finals and lost to Caroline was Niyaki before she was ever really a name. This is years ago. I'm just talking about me. I'm just talking about how Asia can be a little bit of a springboard. These last couple of matches can be a bit of a springboard, especially for players who are coming up who want confidence. And we saw Chinwan Jung who got to the finals in Wuhan, played a pretty solid She isn't get her second title of the year, second title of the year because she defended Pleromo and now this is her second Olympics. Oh sure, I'm not counting the Olympic gold medal, but getting the title in Japan against Sophia Kennon, which is great for Jung but also great for Kennon, Like everybody wants to see Kennon doing better. I think she came into the fall like ranked I was at the top one hundred and fifty.
I cannot tell you how happy that makes me. She always plays well in Asia as well. I remember her, of course beating Sam Stoza when I was coaching Sam in the finals of Guangzhou. So and that was the springboard for her to win the Australian Oh totally. So you know this is a you are correct in if there are some players that can get a couple of like wins where it be, you know, tournaments, they feel like, Okay, I'm going into next year feeling good about myself. Further, some players that start the year really well and then really struggle for the rest of the year. You look at Rebakna. I mean, we're going to get to that story when we do talk about the WTA finals, But you are right, and we were just very happy. The two of us talked about how happy we are for Sophia Kennon totally because she works hard. She's had a lot of ups and downs, you know, a lot of difficulties with her father back coaching her, not coaching her now. It's like it's a lot of drama in her life, and so I'm really pleased to see her make a final run because she's such a good player.
And she's so tough on fast, hard courts. And I think for me, the cohort of Americans that have done really well on the women's side, particularly Pagoula Navarro. We had a good season for Mattie Keys, even though she wasn't quite able to i think, finish any of the weeks with the titles. But Ken wasn't. In the conversation, Yeah, this year and I would like very much to see I mean, for me, it's so exciting just the more better players we have, more better players that we have, Yeah, and she's doing well at the same time, and she's still so young. The other one that I was so excited about that I was actually watching this morning playing Tiafa is this giant Frenchman pesh per Pericard. He's enormous little let you say that first, and.
He's a big old giant. He's so sweet. Even when he won the tournament last week, he just kind of like put his arms up in the air and then he had a bit of fun. He was like, oh wait, I don't need to be buttoned up. I can have fun. I can. He was getting the crowd into it, like who wants the ball? It was really sweet and he looks like a cutie pie. What a big serve though, But can we talk about the forehand volley that Ben Shelton missed in the tie break. I was like, listen, I listen, people, I have missed some forehand vollies and it is without question the heart of Ollie to make under pressure. And you probably think why because your back end volley. Well, for me anyway, I'm not going to talk for anybody else. For me, I could use my body to eat a back in volley a lot easier. Let the ball come into you and then you can like feather it away or you can punch it with the foreign volley used to. He took the biggest swing on that thing, and I was like his dad, who was a great servan volley It would have been like what in the god forsaken was that it was so bad? And then that was over because you know the guy's just gonna go.
He literally went, well, it's such an indication of nerves because also with the back hand value you have the other hand to steady you, whereas the forehand you can hit it in any contact point and it shows you. It shows your opponent how nervous you are, if you're overheating it, if you're swinging too much. The literal exact same thing happened when I was watching Francis Tiafo, who was up in the second set having won the first tiebreak against Giovanni Mettecci Pericard this morning in the Rolex Masters in Paris. Easy forehand. He does the same thing though, and he shanked it straight into the ground.
But he does the same thing. So I want to just take Ben and Francis and be like, guys, listen, I know you're a ten billion times better tennis player than me. But I can guarantee you my volleys are better than yours.
Correct.
Okay, so let me show you how to hit a foean volley and the way that Francis does it same as Ben. They get in trouble because they get all flicky with the wrists so much. You do not use your wrist. You use your body to hit volley's. Okay, you turn your shoulders. You literally can turn your shoulders and come back to the center. You don't take your racket head back. You you, oh god, both of them and they slap at it, and you know what else does the same thing and he gets away with it, but he does miss it from time to time. Is alchorize. He gets choppy, he chops down, which is why he hits that beautiful little drop volley.
He get's a little cute.
Yeah, but no, no, he just drops it.
He I just I need to have Renee Stubbs ATP's the men's volley Clinic. Well this this was a turning point of the match because is up five to four in that game goes to a tiebreak. Tiafa loses the tiebreak and then Peredgard wins the third set sixth three. I think he makes that easy volley to go up whatever it was thirty fifteen in the five to four game. At the second set, it's game over. Like these moments that are so crucial. You're on offense, but then you do something wildly stupid, call me and you let the opponent back.
In be able to help him with that.
David, sounds like we should be doing some texting, But I'm really excited about Jay Bunny. I love a Frenchman who is a galute, like a little bit of a goofball, French emotion, an old player. You know, I love Benoir. You know I love month Feast. Everybody me and everybody loves month Feast. I was really hoping tournament guess Ke is retiring. Yeah, I think Paris Masters is where he makes his last stand. The most beautiful backhand currently maybe.
One of the beautifult gorgeous.
I would have taken stands backhand anybody Stan did more with it, for sure, big, it was so big. But one thing about Richard Guesskay that I want to call out is I love the guy. It's been fun to watch him play. His sock length has always been incorrect. Wow, and now we're losing that.
That's a large statement.
Go big or go like kind of you didn't like the medium chavvy sockless? No, Ben Ben Shelton wears the same incorrect stock length sock lengths as well. It's all I can focus on.
Is it too short? No, it's too medium. Oh, go sockless. Go Marty Fish, Marty Fish.
And Andy Laden in his career, or Dan Evan or go Hi but whatever is happening, or Rafa had a mid high. But these are like people they look at they have cankles.
Wow.
Yeah, so this is the kind of cometary people want from me.
Yeah, that's true. Okay, So let's just I want to add a little funny thing about the six Kings Sinner's comments about not going for the money. I love him so much because he so tries to be politically correct. No, I didn't go for the money. I'm just playing.
He went to open international relationship.
It's the sixth best players in the world are there, and I want to test myself. Listen, Yannick, I love you, but dude, come on, there's no way you're adding a tournament onto your schedule, just like Carlos said. He's like, yeah, of course they went for the money.
Of course they were paying us lots of money. I mean, I'm not going to lie. That's literally what Carlos Acre says. We know what you're doing. That's cool. Just just own it.
Yeah, just yanick. I know you want to be politically correct with everything, because you are, but you know you want to be sort of like the Roger Federer where you say everything really well, but sometimes you go, yeah, listen, it was interesting. I wanted to go visit. Are getting paid a lot of money, That's why I went. And then he gets sick and pulls out of Paris. So I'm like, oh, dude, dude, he blow look good, you blew it. Bro. Do you get something wrong with you when you're in.
Yeah, don't. Don't add another event to your tech calendar.
Now, speaking of the men, of course, there's a bunch of players trying to make the ATP Finals. Grigor, Steph Tommy, Tommy. Paul is out because he lost. I believe in Paris he did that is it for him. I believe for the year he has no chance of making.
It, which is too bad because I feel like he should be in the finals.
Yea, but this is what it's hard to be.
Given a year. Yeah, for the year.
You think about all the players that are in the running for that, and Runa is still there, Demonor is still there, Alex Demnoir has had arguably the best year of his career.
Makes total sense to me.
So they're all on the casters.
Shocked to me that Steph, who I think won his first match in Paris, is still in the conversation given his year. I know, like, what how how of the points? I mean, I don't actually want an answer because I don't want to know how the points I don't care, but I am shocked, you know the points, I mean arguably, but I don't understand how he has enough to be in contention Steph ccpass and Tommy Poud doesn't after the years that they both had.
Well, that's why you have the rankings. You play a lot, you make a lot, because that's not about the average, right. The points are just adding your points up, and so if you play a lot, you get rewarded. Oh yes, so hawp lost in Hong Kong again. I just wonder how many times she's going to do this and how much she's going to do this and want to still keep playing out there.
It's a good question. I mean, I think we've had people. I mean, if you want to talk about Sharipova, going back to the comparison of her coming back, she had a great run in Stutchart her first tournament back. We were like, oh, she back. I mean she made a semis maybe quarters like but no, no, no, look it up. She had a good run and I was kind of like, what's she going to look like? And she looked pretty good then. I think in the next tournament she made it to the second or third round.
She barely won two matches in a row.
When she came in Stuttart the first tournament and maybe the first tournament or two, she was okay, you.
Were kind of like, she lost to Bouchard in Stuttgart.
Was that the first time she didn't lose Touchard in Suegart. She loves to bouch Shard in Madrid, and that's when Bouchard talked major shit, I know, and she was like how about that?
Right?
So that and I think that was actually, honestly probably the part where Maria was like, you know what, I don't need this. I got my architectural digest feature home. I got an art collector husband. I want to do other stuff, but it wasn't until Madrid, I believe, So Hallop, it might be the same thing. If you come out and just hit a brick wall, then you're like, you know, how much do I really need this?
Yeah? And she's never going to hit people off the court. At least Marie could come back. And if she was playing, Marie had big weapons. I mean, Hallep's fitness is her weapon, and I don't know that after being off the tour for a while that you can sustain it. I mean, look at Naomiosaka. Yeah, and so she never won with fitness either. So no, Simona is the type of player that needs to get her tennis legs under it, and she did a lot of that by just playing. And if you're not winning, that's not happening. All right, let's get to some of you.
One last thing I want to say two. I am into Casper Rudes and Taylor Fritz's blonded eras, which they both have dyed blonde hair. What's happening I don't know, but Casper has been like kind of positioning himself as this like sort of bomb thrower. Have you noticed he's been like kinda ye, he's a little minit, little chippy. Yeah, talking about the balls, talking about but actually talking about other people who criticize the balls.
You're gonna say other people's balls.
That's a good I should Yeah, I need to walk back that phrasing. But I like the fact that Casper's shown us a little you know, persona. Maybe this with the blonde, maybe he's in his villain era, whatever it is. I'm I'm sort of the storylines that I'm.
Looking for are not only on the court, right, I'm so aware of these things. I mean, per usual, But the blonde villain era Taylor Fred Slashcasper Rude is something that I wanted to mention because when it comes back and everyone's like, oh my god, they're playing amazing and also they had a DGAF anymore, you're gonna be like, right because of the hair. It's like when ladies are having a crisis and they cut their hair. I don't know what this is, but it's something so Taylor. I feel like Taylor is definitely like he feels like a ken to me.
Sure, he's definitely beach.
If Barbie had just come out that it would have been hilarious.
But maybe maybe his Jaba's beach. Maybe he's just a year later to the trend.
All right on to let's get someone your first questions?
Yeah, go ahead, Well this is a rest to renew, Renee, so I'll read it. Yes, Renee. Why did Wen who wrote it to us? We got to get call the city? Yeah we go rights, Yes, Renee. Why did we return to making ball kids return have sweaty towels for the players? Again?
Thanks?
Why did we?
I don't know, lazy, terrible? They just made a big deal about it. The atp all I know is that back in the day, you know, when you had Steffi Graf's sweating out there, she just used the finger white across the frond underneath the chin. Let it go, get on with the match. Now everyone's got to grab it out. They literally. It pisses me off, though.
Do you think it's al Most people are sweating more though, No, Caitlin, more physical?
No, I mean yeah, a match is more physical, yes, but it was still hot back in the seventies. Okay, people are still sweating, mate. Okay, so when when someone gets.
Aiste, yeah, sure, okay, it's a binky.
And they turn around it's a binky and they got tap tap tap. I'm like, what the fuck, come on, you just got aste walk to the other side and you've got wristbands on, just white your che Like, what are we talking about here? I played three ol matches, Caitlin, I never went to the fucking towel.
Okay, it's embarrassing, like come on, yeah, although you know we they also used to adjust their strings a lot, because back in our days the strings moved around.
Now may aple move around?
No, they don't. These new these new materials don't move anyway. My point is maybe the towel has replaced the banking, right. Steve Leonard writes, well, the players, Oh, actually, I want to make a note about that towel. One of my friends, Mark Shapiro, who listens to this podcast, is a hospitalist, and he always has something to say about these not non CDC protocols that in a hospital or any other place that was even attempting to be sanitary, would have set all these towers on fire. So I just want to shout out to Mark, You're correct, we don't know. It's gross stab it.
I mean, particularly if you're on a call with Jack Draper.
Yeah, somebody's sweating, but puchan and sweatin bleeding people get their toenails. No, thanks, hard pass Uh huh Okay.
The next one is from Novak SINICONI why is Demono currently playing but hasn't been nominated in the Davis Cup squad next month? Your question is as good as answer I can give you, as is should I snitch? I don't know that is. Maybe he's just tired. Maybe he said let's see how I feel after He's trying to make the ATP finals, So I think he's all his focus is on that. So maybe he doesn't want to give an answer to Davis Cup as of yet. But if it's an opportunity for him to play, I would guarantee that he probably will.
With these guys love playing for that.
Well, especially in Spain. He's you know, Spanish speaking, he lives in spe most of the time. Yeah, and so so I would be surprised if he.
Doesn't play maybe someday. Rights How does it make any sense? I can already tell you it doesn't. To go from Asia back to Europe. Everything in Europe should be played leading up to the French in Wimbledon, give this time to South America. Oh yes, this is a person from my own heart. I agree. I think the and Ega is on our side too. The cross continental flights and scheduling is an atrocity. We should follow the sun and just move south from you know, like the big wave servers do in their competitions, Following the time of the year where it's best weather and keep it moving.
I like the follow the sun concept because that's really what we do do in tennis. But there is the love of playing indoors, and I for one who has a love of playing, Oh my god, put me on an indoor court any day of the week to play. I loved playing indoors, and quite frankly, we do need indoor courts because it plays. It tends to play a little bit quicker. It tends what it used to do in my day. But now they've slowed the courts down a little bit more, but still it's more a purity of tennis. It's, you know, it rewards attacking tennis a little bit more than playing outside, and so I like that. I like that you're rewarding players that are serving volleys like our New French love serving down bombs and coming into the net and all that sort of stuff, you know, and some people might not love that type of style of tennis, but it does take gutsy player, someone who's being a bit more aggressive, not just standing back ten feet behind the baseline and running down ball. So I think we do need indoor type of tennis, and you will get that in the fall in Europe. We used to go to Europe and we used to have full tournaments here in the United States, which we don't have anymore.
Well, that's a comprehensive answer that I was ready to disagree with you k six times, but I'll let that.
Oh my god, everybody, yes, touch your heads. Caitlin has agrieved with me. It's a miracle.
There's some things I could follow up with, but I'm not going to because I overall point Renee, well, we know.
You just want to go to South America at all times. They do.
And also I don't think tennis should be played indoors, but again that's a different.
You of all people. Is volume ze Russians. I just think prefers not to hit two four hands on the back of the court. You should love playing indoors.
Well, I just wish the grass courts season were longer and they would make hard courts faster. But I take your point.
If they're not going to do that, then yes, indoor is benefiting and they get great crowded Yeah.
Sure. And also it's not just cold weather. I mean a lot of people are playing indoors. The WTA finals and Saturdi Raby are going to be played indoors. That's yalla, Yeah, that's why. Yeah, But my point is that it doesn't necessarily conflict with summer or seasonal.
It's better because after what we had in Cancun, Yeah, neither to be indoors and cannot have these oh it's raining for three days.
Yeah. The getting typhoon that ruined the Cancuon finals was brutal, even though Mexico's awesome.
Hey have it in Mexico again, just have an indoor indoors.
Angela Fechner rates what do you expect from Elena Rebakina in Riad after sir such a long break? Who's your favorite of the WTA finals? Great question, something that we want to get into, for sure in a number of different ways.
Yeah, well, let's get into it for sure. With the answer to the question I don't know.
Nobody knows.
I don't know how Elena is going to do. This is going to be a very big test for her. Who is going to be coaching her? Who was she there with? That's all of stuff that I could probably find out on my own without putting it out into the ether button. If you want to let me know, do it.
We'll find out in a matter of needs.
But we it will be interesting. Look, she plays a really good tennis indoors. It is probably she is at her best, probably the best player in the drawer at her best playing indoors, maybe with a slight sable anka just because of serving. The purity of her ball striking is so good. But we don't know how she's going to be fitness wise, match wise. I mean, it's a long time. Months and months and months is a long time not to play a match, So how is she going to do? Your guess is again as good as mine.
My only file up question is is she the kind of player that can just show up heart out of nowhere? It kind of seems like she is.
Yeah, she can. She doesn't seem to need a lot of matches. No, but still it's not gonna be but months and months for anybody, it would be hard. I mean, it's different going into a regular tournament. We're playing someone that's sixty in the world maybe in the first round or forty five under match of the best. This is the group of death, this is the whole tournament, you know. So I don't know. But then again, nobody there really would want to play her because they also have an unknown of how is she going to be playing, So it'll be interesting. It'll certainly be a match that I would love to watch. But I think going into this tournament you have to look at Saveolenka being the favorite. I think that Jess Pagoula has had a bit of a rest.
She'll be ready and fired up and talking about indoor and place well indoors that's a good surface for her.
Will eager shontek have the lightning in a bottle now that she has a new coach in her ear, We don't know. Indoors is definitely not her favorite surface, but if it's slow enough, sure.
I kind of see this as being like maybe Jip Eggs tournament her time to shine.
You did call her doing well at the US.
Open, I did, but I thought something like would win it. But I also as did everybody, as did you, and but every I mean that was like an obvious call. But I think Pagola to me, like this is the kind of like slightly under the radar type of tournament. I mean, yes, it's the finals, and yes there's a lot of attention and circumstance and pomp and all that, but it does strike me as like, because it's not a slam, maybe there's a little bit less pressure and eyeballs on her, which I don't think she loves. So maybe this is the kind of place that'll that she'll six drive in. I don't see Ego doing like I'm sure. I hope she has a good tournament, but I don't see this being hers to take.
Certainly the first match.
It would be nice, I speak on behalf of EGA. It would be nice if they rotated the surfaces at the finals.
Yeah, maybe even an indoor clay. I think you have to have an indoors because you cannot afford to have rain, You cannot give to schedule of those women you have to play matches every day. But I do think it would be cool to rotate because it does seem to favor well you've got a tournament with clay, sure, just have it there one year.
But yeah, Coco is an open question too.
Paulini, what a great year. She can play on any surface.
As finals, which is nuts on grass and clay. And what do you think about Coco. Let's go back to her for a second, just because I think she's to me a real big question.
Mark. Well, look if she this is what I'll say about Coco. If she serves less than six double faults in her matches, no matter what match she plays, she will win the tournament. She has the ability to.
It all comes down to the surf.
Yeah, of course it does. You're serving twenty twenty one double faults in a match and you lose six three or six four on the third, yeah, and you'll win. And that was the last loss against Saballene.
I guess it is that simple.
So it's like if because she's hitting the ball so well, she's you know, arguably the best mover on the tour. Her backhand is equally as good as anybody's on tour. Her first serve is as big as anybody's on tour. It's a matter of getting the second serve in the court and not getting it absolutely handed to her. So let's hope after what happened in the last match and last time and she's gone back to Florida, she's really put the work in and getting this second serve to a point where she can feel like she gets it in because I can tell you, as a server that relied on hitting some big serves, if I couldn't get my serve in the court, my first serf suffered because I was hitting myself trying to get my first serve in the court because I didn't want it.
A second serve, no, and then your whole service game gets into your head, and then yeah, you're on defense the whole Yeah, everything really is so was coming from that.
That's under six double faults a match likelihood, as she probably wins every match. So we'll see, of course, Chen when we know how well she's been playing. She will be a tough out on that court as well. She likes a sort of purity of ball as well, the way she plays, and her serve is big. Second serve sometimes has a bit of an issue, but overall physically.
Yeah, she's had a good fault. I don't see her having the I still don't think she can climb the mountain that is sable Anca or top flight Rebeccina. If Rebuccina shows up and is in that mode.
The last person I want to talk about is somebody who got in by winning Wimbledon, didn't actually win into the tournament based on points, which is I I is this the first year they've done that.
I don't even know that was possible.
Yeah, so yeah, so yeah, Kujikova is twelfth on the race but gets in over Navarro. Navara must be like, really, this is a year decided because she won a Grand Slam. So the men if you win a Grand Slam have always gotten who if you win a Slam, you go into the ATP finals, no matter what, no matter what, which I think is a good rule in some aspects.
Fans want to see the four names, but also it's but you could have a fluky Slam.
That's yeah. I mean that one year that Emma Navarro, I'm not Emma Emma Radakano would have been in the w TAO for she should have been the W two finals in a couple of years ago and wasn't. So what are we doing here? So I think it's the first year that they've done that, correct me on Twitter. I know you will, Yeah, I.
Know you'll get correct.
I know someone's already written it in their little fingertips. But that's sort of interesting because even ahead of her was Bodoza, Daniel Collins and Casakina and of course amm Navarro. So but here's the thing about Barbora. She probably wins splutty time.
Yeah, if it was somebody that felt way more fluky, like I don't mean no, she's definitely not a fluke. Yeah, Like she also has another randzame if this.
Was careful, because you saw what she wrote to that one person on Twitter, and they're like, how did Barbora kuldik of it when wimbled and she snapped back, I love won seven matches, that's how.
Also ps, Barbara, Barbara has won a French Open and she's won countless doubles Titus, like if anybody she knows how to handle the high stage of pressure. I'm talking more about uh lefty uh one Wimbledon tattoos Covit not Covitev recently, the one who beat beat Arms.
In the tournament that I should have won, Vondrosova right, like Thatonrosova.
Vondrosova would feel to me more like what if she had been.
Well, I think she's still saying what.
Exactly, That's my point. So I do think it is a little bit fluky. It just so happens that it goes to somebody who doesn't feel fluky, which is Barbara Kajigov, who's a multi slame mony of course, Barborais but I really like Barbara up. But it does. It is weird. I don't know that. I love that.
I saw Vondrasova speaking of Vondrossova get her name right, Renee in in the locker room at Wimbledon, because she was down in the lower locker room when she won Wimbledon, and I walked wandered over to her when she came walking in and she sat down, she put the trophy down next to her, and I walked over and I went, can you can you even she was on her own. There was very quiet down there at that time. And I walked over and it dude, okay, can you believe this? She looked at me, she goes, no, I still cannot believe that just happened. Well, considering she won like three matches on grass leading into Wimbledon. That to me, along with the master Panko winning the French.
Yeah, and Maria and Bertolli winning Wimbledon, there's a few that you're just like, what like that.
Well, considering let's not take it away from them, because they did. It was an incredible and you still have to win seven matches for sure, even Maoli who was a very no no, no, but it's less about one one tournament like Emorano kano one decisively against everybody who was in front of her that year, as did even Mayoli and the French oven run as did. And Eva was a great player totally and.
She had a great record on clay, what I mean. And even as to Penco, like Hallop not shitting the bedo doesn't have a slam, on's.
Not well and also sam Stars not literally breaking her hand in the fourth round.
It doesn't hurt, right, I would say, Coco not having the entire support of the crowd and arena something like like emotionally collapsing that that's a different way. It's not different, not different, No, you got to.
Deal with that maybe, but you have to deal with that as a great I think you.
Get gifted some of these things get gifted, and on you gifted Vandrosova that webblton she did, she would tell you, would probably tell.
You that was a terrible the worst warm up I've ever seen going.
Into it, and which you've talked about on this podcast. But I also just think, like, not to take anything away from anybody, but I do think like some of them are earned, and some of them are aided heavily by their opponent.
Okay, well you and I are going to disagree in saying that they're all earned. They just had an opponent that fucked it up.
I think that's exactly what I said. Okay, why are some says asks Stalin Lobo, Why do some talented junior tennis players find it difficult to succeed in the professional ranks because they're really hard.
It's really hard, and there's.
Such a gating mechanism. It's point zero zero one percent at every turn. Every recreational player can't make junior tennis, can't make college tennis, much make top ranked junior tennis much rake top rank pros.
And a lot of it has to do. And I tell this to a lot of my friends that have junior kids playing, talking to you wells is that it's all about developing your game through juniors. And I always tell this to parents that like have a kid that maybe have a bit of a messed up service motion or funny forehand or something technically that's not good, but they're getting away with it in juniors because they're better athletes or they're better competitors, which is really important as well. And you know, they might give you the moon ball, and a player that's more aggressive gets the shits and doesn't like win that match, and there is a little bit more impatient and all those things. And then but that person who's more talented, who is working really hard not quite getting the results in juniors, will get the results later on because they're just better technically better tennis players. And if you work the same I mean, work out the same, put in the same hours, be the professional, but you are technically better, you are going to be a better tennis player. So I always say to the kids with junior it's not about winning and losing in juniors, it's about developing your game. That's for the pros.
Amen to that.
And that's if your serf sucks in juniors, you but you're still winning, you are going to get crushed in the pros.
There are so many juniors having played junior tennis and up through college who push and their strategy is entirely defense. And you can see the second I played my first semi pro tournament just the offense. Yeah, of course they have the defense, but they also have the offense. And most of the kids and juniors don't prepare for that, don't plan for it, don't have an answer to it. So I think for me, the golf is enormous and it only gets more vast.
And also just for to finish off and put a button on this. The junior thing is that a lot of them at fourteen fifteen of friends and they're loving it and dah da dah and then they get to sixteen seventeen they discover boys or girls or whatever, and all of a sudden they get a bit distracted and life gets a bit harder, and they want to be you know, it's just all the things. If you want to be good, you have to devote your life to this sport because it's not easy and you can't just f off doing stuff. In the meantime, if somebody said to me, we had a conversation. I had a conversation with somebody about going to camp, summer camp. I'm like, I never went to summer camp. I went to tennis camp. Yeah, that's what I did anyway, So that's why KP.
Hey, what's your take on the rules regarding mandatory tournaments on the WTA? Also, what do you think about the Sadi Arabia as the host for the finals for the coming year. Do you think that's a wise decision for the sport. I think we mostly talked about Sadi last week. We please feel free to go back and listen to that episode. What is your take on the rules regarding mandatory tournaments?
Listen? I think that the wt has to be real careful about how many they have because they want Mandatory tournaments are important for the players to play because the sponsors and the tournament are putting up a lot of money for these players to play, so they demand that they're there. You can't just say, oh, I'm going to take this week off. But I think there's a discussion that needs to be had about how many and the back to back tournaments. Those are the dumb things like Indian Wells Miami back to back. That's a little bit different because I haven't played a lot of tennis at that point in the year. But when you're talking about Cincinnati Montreal, they're back to back tournaments. They are two week tournaments now the length of them, and.
It's like it's just a lot so that before the US but you're supposed to come in with fresh legs and then you actually have all your real sponsor obligations. So yeah, it's it's brutal.
How many times have we seen a player when in Canada and they come and win in Cincinnati. It's a rarity. It's really hard to do so, and you know, those tournaments are just tough to and you want to win. There's a lot of money on You have to remember these players that are the top players, they're making millions and millions and millions off the court. They don't need to go play tennis to make money, not anymore anyway, some of them, like you know Sinner, and I mean, he's wont six million dollars in the sixty help But like so, I think they just have to be better strategically with the calendar and making the mandatory tournaments where it's just not so packed. It's a tough one. We've talked about it at nauseum on this show.
Yeah, my opinion about the schedule is widely derided. But also I think I don't know. It's certainly different m to the second degree. This is Mike Metz one one too.
What's happening with with Miami and Madrid? Are are these being purchased and moved? As far as I'm concerned, I don't think so.
This comes from a news item in the last week that formally announced that IMG, which is part of WM, which is all part of Endeavor, is selling off Miami and Madrid, the two one thousand level tournaments that they own. This is not news. They have been for sale for a while. There was some rampant speculation and rumors that Saudi was going to buy one or both of them, specifically Miami. I don't know the answer to that, but they have been for sale, much like Cincinnati was widely up for sale, and there were a lot of bids, and you can read pretty cohesively about who and how those bids came together. Obviously, Bendabarrow ended up buying sins Nattie bought it from the USCA, which netted them hundreds of millions of dollars and we'll see what they put it back into. But yeah, I think for me, Miami is a has become a terrible tournament, and I would love for them to have new owners and a new facility.
Have you been down lot? Did you go down last year? Because I heard the facilities improved a great deal. Skipped it last in the last twelve months, So I want to just pull that back because I know James Blake is the tournament director, and I know that they've tried a lot to make and from what I've heard from the players, because I haven't been to it either in the last twelve months, but what I heard from the players about Miami is it has improved a lot, the courts, the outside courts, the facilities.
So no longer sinking into the.
Yeah, apparently from the players perspective, it has improved a great deal. So let's see where it goes, what happens with it. I have never really liked where it's situated, but these are all things that we could Probably maybe they just keep a tournament, two tournaments over in the West Coast. I don't know, but certainly there's a lot of questions it. But also people, you have to understand people have to want tournaments as well. You know, cities have to want tournaments, Sponsors have to want tournaments.
Yeah, and Miami sent a very clear signal that they no longer wanted the tournament at least where it was, And so there is a real open question. It seems to me that somebody will snap up Madrid quite quickly. Ion Tiriac who talking about Simona, how there's a lot of connective tissue there. He once owned the Madrid tournament before. I think he saw it t I MG. So having a very big Master's one thousand, whoever buys some Madrid just make the clear blue again.
That's mye No, it's my suppress.
No, it's great though.
Did you have a play on it? No?
How would I have played on it? I like that.
You can't even stand up? Okay, Tim Kidd? Please can you improve my volleys somehow?
Actually?
Did you write that in a question? Are the rest of my game is? Okay? Bar toss up on the surf, But can you advise me on volleys without seeing me play? Tim Kidd? It's a bit tough to help you on your volleys, Tim, If I haven't seen your volleys. But just remember if you want to improve your volly's, this is the best way to do it. Continental grip. On your grip, go find a wall. If you cannot hit four four hand volleys in a row, you are swinging too big or back endvollies. You were taking your racket back too far and you are using your wrist Francis Tiafo too much, Ben Shelton. So that's my best advice is find a wall and you will improve your vellie. Continental grip, open the face up and do not swing use your shoulders.
Thank you, James Tan, thanks for answering my last question. Stubbsy the one handed backhand. Even Roger said he's teaching us to kids a two hander. Is it dying out? Why different tennis starting younger rackets are later than when we all began with a one hinder. Thank you.
Well, I think it's just the the development and the use of the two hander through the years. And you know, back in the day it was only a one handed backhand, and then you know the likes of Freu McMillan and Cliff Drysdale and Chrissy Evertt and all these players that brought two handers in and actually it's easier. I don't know how to hit a two hander on the run. It's like weird to me, but I hit a slice. So I think the best way to teach a kid now is absolutely two hands, because it's better and easier on the return of serve. And I think you absolutely need to develop a defensive and frankly offensive slice backhand. That is what's important. And Alcaaz and even Sinner and all these types of players have used it really, really well. So Kim Kleister's was a great advocate of that. Could hit the most unbelievable running two handed backhand. But are you taking a photo of Melas with my glasses now, old man? And yeah, so develop a two hander. But absolutely you must have a slice backhand. All right, let's get to court theory.
Oh no, why Stephen Kennedy, Why do we never hear of Serena and Venus having a coach before Patrick and David Witt? Their dad didn't do it all up until then. Rate Also, I would say their mom too, or he was a very active.
Well, they had Rick Macy. He was a very big part of their life, their junior development. But at their their development through juniors. So that's really the people that we heard, and they're the only ones that really worked with.
They flew through battle.
That's why we didn't hear, but because they didn't have anybody else courte other than me at the USO. Just kidding. I had to throw that one in there.
A few weeks ago, you discussed different types of balls. Some players have hinted the tournaments are playing around with different types of levels of pressure and that's the real cause of the shoulder, elbow, and wrist injuries. Do you have details on that, No.
Pressure, different pressure on balls. No. I think all balls have a little bit of different pressure. And also you have to remember it's a different surface, different city, different you know, the air in Indian Wells is very different to the air in Miami, you know, so the ball is going to move through the court very differently. But I have never heard of anything about taking pressure out of balls, unless it's at altitude, which we very rarely have on tour. They have a little bit. They have called them pressurized balls.
Yeah, but that's it. This one's for me. You want to read it to me?
A which one?
This one?
Oh? Hi Renee, that's what it says, isn't that for me? Okay? From Chris Hi Renee, I like that. You guys always bring up concerns with the schedule, and I thought Caitlin's ten Grand slams idea was intriguing.
Oh thank you.
If she could remake the calendar, where would these ten tournaments be? Have you thought about that, Caitlin?
I have? Oh, jeezly, of course I have.
Okay, what South America. I'll let me start for you. Sure, moving the Grand Slam from Australia to South America.
We can keep Australia. I'm not taking it away from it. Let me write these down, yeah, won't hate them down. We keep Australia at beginning of the year, then we give one to the Middle East, let's say Dubai.
Okay, mm hmm.
Then we go to Europe.
Okay.
I actually think Paris has had enough, so I don't I kill Paris as a Grand Slam. I love wrong Garis, it's my favorite Slam. But we're gonna mix it up. This is this is, this is gonna take too long. No, it's that we'll put it in. Uh, we'll make it wrong. Equal prize money though, guys, unacceptable that they haven't.
Been well, then you can't just go on.
This presumes a lot of things. We'll leave Wimbledon on the schedule. She thinks it also gives more time if Rome is the last clay court for the grass season to be longer, which we all like, leave the US Open. Okay, yeah, but honestly, maybe put it in Florida or put it in some place that's different than New York. I love having it in New York. We love New York. It's great, but I actually don't think it should be in New York. What listen, this is my question. Guess how many am I?
Three? Four?
Five? Okay? Great? Now we go to South America. I'm going to give it to Buenos Aires. Then we go to Asia. We give it to not Tokyo Osaka, No, not Japan. Singapore okay, Singapore mm hmm. And let's see how we're doing.
Do we want to be doing seven?
You got three more Canada in there at all.
I can't believe you haven't put Mexico. I'm going to do it for you. Thank you, Mexico. Eight. Canada needs one? Great for tennis?
Is it great for tennis?
Yes? Sink it's packed every year.
Yeah, but North America is already well accommodated with Mexico. No, it's open.
Okay, fine, put your list.
We'll put one in. We'll put one in. It would be very cool. I mean South Africa used to have one. I'm not sure I want to reward them with one at the moment given political situations. So yeah, we'll give one to India.
Okay, Well, there you go, people. That's that's Caitlin's tournament schedule. Thank you for coming with.
More time in preparation. I probably could have come up with a better list, but I'm going for geographic diversity, sub surface diversity.
She will put it out on Twitter later on Yeah. Okay, Stephen Kennedy Wrights, what do you think is stopping Keys from having more success? Apart from the injuries? Does she hit too flat? Many, too many mistakes? Davenport with similar game to her, seem to overpower her opponents, but she doesn't seem to do that. Just wondering what's missing from her. First of all, let me just tell you about Lindsay Davenport. Lindsay Davenport had a rule in practice that she had to hit the ball within three feet off the baseline, every ball, every ball that was a rule, and she would get pissed if she let that ball be short. Lindsay had such unbelievable discipline in practice with what she knew, what her strengths and weaknesses were. She knew she wasn't a great mover. Madison is arguably a much better mover than Lindsay. But Lindsay was real smart with the way she played. And if she played against a one handed back end, for example, and she would tell me this, I would just keep pounding it there. I didn't care how good they're backend was, maybe justin Anna, and she would have to adjust. But She's like, I would just keep going there because I knew I would never lose that battle. And then she would change direction. Lindsay was a disciplined, very smart, very calculated tennis player. Her biggest issue was her attitude, and she will be the first to admit sometimes wasn't so good at magative okay, but she got through and won a lot of toems. She arguably should have won, in my opinion, at least four or five more Grand Slams, But her attitude is what let her down. Her tennis did not. It was more that she would kind of emotionally quit. Madison is not as smart a player as Lindsay. Madison doesn't in another thing is I just think that she chooses the wrong shot at the wrong time. Lindsay very rarely did that. Lindsay played to her strings. Madison doesn't. And I think that Madison gets very anxious on the court. Lindsey was a very go quiet, sort of dig a hole, very much like my old doubest partner Lisa Raymond. Like if they were having problems on the court, rather than be demonstrative and loud and like me and show everyone how upset they were, they'd dig a hole. And Lindsay would dig hole. And Maddie's a little bit like that. But also you see her tension, you see her anxiety. So with Maddie, it's just being more disciplined, not trying to hit the ball down the line when it's not there, playing the ball through the middle of the court, more being a lot more like Lindsay Davenport, which would have Bloody just annoyed Lindsay so much in so many respects, like why are you trying to hit that down the line? Just go cross court? You're hitting it one hundred miles an hour, so little things like that. I adore Maddie and I hope she breaks through one day because she certainly has the game and the tennis to do it. But it's the discipline on the wrong shots at the wrong time.
Yeah, for me, it's all between the ears. All right. We got maybe one or two more questions. Okay, there's a customizing rackets question. There's a question about your career. There's a question here about Novak pulling out of Paris. There's a ni curious question, choose your poison. We have one more time.
Well, the technifier, the question about you know specs with tennis rackets you buy the racket in the.
Let me read the question ed of all trades, Chris you Banks did a promo with Technifiber, which is the racket I play with, which I like quite a bit. Last week discussing racket customization, how easy affordable is it for the club player, the adult non pro tournament player to have rackets customized? Is it feasible advisable for junior tournament level players? Thanks in advance, I will say, just so you know, each of these pros are playing with a racket that you cannot buy that comes customized to within an inch of its life, and if you pick one up, you will notice the difference immediately. I actually don't know how feasible it is.
Do you listen? I think that, yeah, we'll listen. You can find somebody. They're a technique, a rack, and somebody would take your money. Oh yeah, racket. There's racket guys that do this all the time. They do it for a living. So if you really want to and you're good enough, I wouldn't. I wouldn't do it for like an amateur like player that's a three point five or something like. That's not gonna help you five point four point five maybe, but and junior's for sure. At some point you you have to be strong enough, right, So the regular rackets you know that are weight, they're very light. Like a professional will never pick a racket up and just be like, yeah, I'm going to use this one. They have to have them spect and changed, and they might have the weight in the racket head, they might have the weight in the middle of the racket. They might have the weight more in the grip. The grip's going to be adjusted. So there's so many things that go into a professional, getting a little bit better. And I think Andy Murray's probably a pityme of that. I mean, I've never seen a guy I tried so many different things to make him better. Maybe Novak. I don't know what his specs are and what he's done to his rackets, but there's no question that to be a better pro, there's no qu question you have to have that. I had a lot of weight in the head because I was serving Bollier. I like the volley. I like the racket to go through the ball a little bit more and be stable. I also liked my serve to be a bit heavier. There were times where I actually it was one time where I had a racket was slightly lighter and I would use it on returns and then on my serve I would go grab my heavier racket. So that was I don't know. I think I was mentally unstable at that point, but you know, he never knowed. But yes, it's very very important. Come on, let's give one more, one more question, and I'll answer the others. I'll actually go on to Twitter and answer all the questions. We didn't get to pick one. You're gonna edit that bit out, aren't you no?
Also your own career, Why did you take till two thousand to start having success? What happened in your early career? If I sound rude, I don't mean to come across that way, Tim Kidd. Did you not have a great career up until two thousand to mean you just got you got to the pros?
Well? Tim, Okay, So this is this is an interesting last question, and I do believe this is really important. I was a bit of a fuck up early. I didn't really take it seriously enough. I moved to the United States borderhouse at twenty five, so I was obviously making money and doing decently well prior to that. But I wish I'd been a little bit more focused. I wish i'd had a coach that really pushed me around to getting me into that focus more standpoint. But it's expensive to have a coach, and certainly back then you weren't making the money I was when I qualified for my first WIMML and I made seven thousand dollars, which is a lot of money. Yeah, I guess, but when you're traveling and paying for everything. I was staying with my long last aunt in the middle of nowhere England, like, I didn't have any expenses because I couldn't afford them, so I didn't have a coach all of those things. So it took me a while to sort of get to that point where I was making some money where I can employ a coach. I bought a house in the US, and I made a real commitment to my tennis when I was about twenty five twenty six, and prior to that, I probably wish I had done that earlier. I got injured quite a bit in my singles. I had a pretty bad risk injury. In ninety seven, when I started to improve my singles ranking, I was about sixty two in the world and I was starting to actually stand and I'm an all court player, and you get better as an all court player because you start to understand how to play the game better. And so there was a lot of that. And then when I started having most of my success was in two thousand because I quit playing singles and I wasn't getting as injured as much and I was focusing purely on my doubles then. And you know, I was twenty nine thirty years of age when I did that, and in the time thirty was like, Okay, you're retiring from Dennis, and now it's like thirty is young. So I wish I'd kept playing singles. Now I look at it, I wish I hadn't had the injuries that I had, But you know, I had my success in doubles after that, and I found the right doubles partner and that was important for me because Lisa was very focused.
On also winning. Just shout out to anybody who has enough money to buy a house at twenty five and having their shit remotely together, I think, because that's not actually super common, and I feel like the first check that most people get in their early twenties, they're not looking back, and it takes them a long time to get back. My dad into the real estate by real estate. Yeah, exactly, So that's that I feel like, you know, that's not a that's not a desk. Thank you so much for your questions. We got almost all of them, but some of them we will get back to you on Twitter, or we'll save them for next week.
Yeah we will, but thanks for joining us this week. Of course, the WTA Finals are about to start, so we're going to have all of those answers and we'll get into all of that.
Yeah, the players have started arriving. It looks like they're on the grounds warming up, playing practicing. We'll get into we've got some friends there. We do have some friends there that It's totally nice. Everyone's being very pleasant over there, I would hope. So I'm wanting more picks of food.
I know, I got that text. I was like, why, because.
I like knowing what food people are eating. Okay, well, on that note, Middle Eastern food. It's so delicious.
We appreciate you listening to our nonsense today and for everybody else. I am also going to the village and King Cup in a couple of weeks from Mulliga.
I'm going to need some food picks.
Yeah, I'll send you some food picks a little from them. You know the Spanish almlet.
First of all, it's called tortilla. And second of all, in the South, you're going to be in a lot of like Muslim and inspired food is much better.
I love it.
Yes, it's gonna be great.
All right, all right, guys, thank you for joining us today and we'll see you next week. Bye bye, h
