Well, hello everybody, and welcome to the Renee Stubs Tennis podcast.

Well, hello everybody, and welcome to the Renee Stubs Tennis podcast.

I have a funny story to tell you all.

I have a funny story to tell you all.

So I had to call Sam Stozer because I left Melbourne very quickly. She left the courts really quickly, and then all of a sudden, I was like, I'm not going to see Sam. And then I thought I need to do my podcast today. Who could I talk to that I need to talk to that I haven't seen since I left Melbourne. Who could help me get through my podcast today? And it's Sam Stozer.

So I had to call Sam Stozer because I left Melbourne very quickly. She left the courts really quickly, and then all of a sudden, I was like, I'm not going to see Sam. And then I thought I need to do my podcast today. Who could I talk to that I need to talk to that I haven't seen since I left Melbourne. Who could help me get through my podcast today? And it's Sam Stozer.

Good day mate.

Good day mate.

Hello, I knew there was another reason.

Hello, I knew there was another reason.

Yeah, tell the story before we start this. You can throw me under the bus.

Yeah, tell the story before we start this. You can throw me under the bus.

Yeah. I just saw your message and I thought, oh, what's funny, Stubbs.

Yeah. I just saw your message and I thought, oh, what's funny, Stubbs.

He wants to have a chat. I wonder what that's about. That'd be a bit random. And then minutes later I get a zoom link to do a podcast. So lucky I was, you know, not doing much at the moment.

He wants to have a chat. I wonder what that's about. That'd be a bit random. And then minutes later I get a zoom link to do a podcast. So lucky I was, you know, not doing much at the moment.

Well, Sam, you know you have been aepy to help. Yeah, but listen, you are.

Well, Sam, you know you have been aepy to help. Yeah, but listen, you are.

Also the person that's been on this podcast I think more than anyone, because you have co hosted with me before. And now that you're a media star doing television in Australia. Well, I just thought who better to get on here but you. So before we get going, Sam, how's the television.

Also the person that's been on this podcast I think more than anyone, because you have co hosted with me before. And now that you're a media star doing television in Australia. Well, I just thought who better to get on here but you. So before we get going, Sam, how's the television.

Retirement life been for you?

Retirement life been for you?

To for our lovely listeners that certainly know you and miss you on the tour?

To for our lovely listeners that certainly know you and miss you on the tour?

It's actually been very good. I wasn't.

It's actually been very good. I wasn't.

I'd already tried it a couple of times, dabbled in and out for the odd match here and there. One time in two thousand and eight when I couldn't play the Aussie Open. I did it for a week and then the odd match here and there the last few years, and thought, oh.

I'd already tried it a couple of times, dabbled in and out for the odd match here and there. One time in two thousand and eight when I couldn't play the Aussie Open. I did it for a week and then the odd match here and there the last few years, and thought, oh.

Yeah, I don't mind it.

Yeah, I don't mind it.

But then when it becomes sort of more of a thing, I was like, I wonder how it to go. And now I've done two opens Tooussie Opens, and I have to say I actually quite enjoy it. I'd certainly interesting seeing things from the other side and how that works and sort of what how it all intertwines together.

But then when it becomes sort of more of a thing, I was like, I wonder how it to go. And now I've done two opens Tooussie Opens, and I have to say I actually quite enjoy it. I'd certainly interesting seeing things from the other side and how that works and sort of what how it all intertwines together.

So I think, honestly, I think if when we were players had a little.

So I think, honestly, I think if when we were players had a little.

Bit more of an insight into a toilet break situation trying to you know, fill air or getting late to it, you know, when you're called to your match and you decide to take an extra five minutes because you're not ready.

Bit more of an insight into a toilet break situation trying to you know, fill air or getting late to it, you know, when you're called to your match and you decide to take an extra five minutes because you're not ready.

Honestly, like, now, I.

Honestly, like, now, I.

See how disruptive that can be to something like television, which is obviously trying to get us out there and get our matches on the screen so that more people can watch. I can see some of the frustration now, so a new appreciation and I've actually, yeah, I've really enjoyed it.

See how disruptive that can be to something like television, which is obviously trying to get us out there and get our matches on the screen so that more people can watch. I can see some of the frustration now, so a new appreciation and I've actually, yeah, I've really enjoyed it.

That is so fascinating that you decided to bring that up, because that is so true. I think when you do, whether it's you know, players that are now sort of tournament directors or running tournaments or doing television, you sort of get the whole bigger picture of things. Which is why even when I make comments about certain things players do, for example, on the court, or they take forever in the toilet, or you know, they don't get on the court quick enough, or they decide to like you know, you know, sort of ask for things from a tornment director, you're just like, you get it now, you sort of understand.

That is so fascinating that you decided to bring that up, because that is so true. I think when you do, whether it's you know, players that are now sort of tournament directors or running tournaments or doing television, you sort of get the whole bigger picture of things. Which is why even when I make comments about certain things players do, for example, on the court, or they take forever in the toilet, or you know, they don't get on the court quick enough, or they decide to like you know, you know, sort of ask for things from a tornment director, you're just like, you get it now, you sort of understand.

And it's interesting that it's interesting that you bring that up.

And it's interesting that it's interesting that you bring that up.

I think that's a conversation to be had with more players from the WTA perspective, it's actually bringing great players like yourself, Grand Slam champions like yourself in to say, look, I know you guys don't get it, because like I didn't, now I'm on the other side of it, and I understand the importance of those one or two minutes of a toilet break and having to fill time on air.

I think that's a conversation to be had with more players from the WTA perspective, it's actually bringing great players like yourself, Grand Slam champions like yourself in to say, look, I know you guys don't get it, because like I didn't, now I'm on the other side of it, and I understand the importance of those one or two minutes of a toilet break and having to fill time on air.

And how also you can.

And how also you can.

Talk about and I know this myself from tournament directors, especially Grand Slam tournament directors, they're like, the ratings go down when certain things like that happen, people turn off the television. And how important television literally pays for the players.

Talk about and I know this myself from tournament directors, especially Grand Slam tournament directors, they're like, the ratings go down when certain things like that happen, people turn off the television. And how important television literally pays for the players.

That's what prize money comes from.

That's what prize money comes from.

Yes, it comes from sponsorship, but really television is the biggest driver of people's prize money.

Yes, it comes from sponsorship, but really television is the biggest driver of people's prize money.

And so when you want more prize.

And so when you want more prize.

Money, you've got to have bigger television ratings, and you've got to have people that want to sponsor those television where the Channel nine in Australia or ESPN in the US, like they.

Money, you've got to have bigger television ratings, and you've got to have people that want to sponsor those television where the Channel nine in Australia or ESPN in the US, like they.

If it's something, isn't different.

If it's something, isn't different.

Things exactly, It's all intertwined. So it's really interesting that you said that.

Things exactly, It's all intertwined. So it's really interesting that you said that.

I didn't even think about asking you about that, but good I hope people that do with our players, that listen to us, we'll.

I didn't even think about asking you about that, but good I hope people that do with our players, that listen to us, we'll.

Hear that it's got to go both ways, obviously, because I mean, there's no product without the players, and there's no you know, plays without somewhere to go and play. So it's got to go both ways. But it certainly has given me another perspective. And you know, I took like two toilet breaks in my whole life, so it's not like I feel guilty.

Hear that it's got to go both ways, obviously, because I mean, there's no product without the players, and there's no you know, plays without somewhere to go and play. So it's got to go both ways. But it certainly has given me another perspective. And you know, I took like two toilet breaks in my whole life, so it's not like I feel guilty.

For doing certain things at all, but now I see it from another way.

For doing certain things at all, but now I see it from another way.

I'm going to throw this out there.

I'm going to throw this out there.

I think it's an ausy thing because I played twenty two years on tour.

I think it's an ausy thing because I played twenty two years on tour.

You played what seventeen, eighteen.

You played what seventeen, eighteen.

Twenty two, yeah, twenty open.

Twenty two, yeah, twenty open.

So in twenty two years of playing professionally, give or.

So in twenty two years of playing professionally, give or.

Take the two of us, forty four years of playing professionally, we took four toilet breaks, the two of us.

Take the two of us, forty four years of playing professionally, we took four toilet breaks, the two of us.

So there are things to be said. That's a whole but we could get into it.

So there are things to be said. That's a whole but we could get into it.

But I think that's really important for people to understand. You know, when they bitch and moan about you know, we're not getting this and we're not getting that.

But I think that's really important for people to understand. You know, when they bitch and moan about you know, we're not getting this and we're not getting that.

Well, you have to.

Well, you have to.

It's quid pro quo you've got to get what you give, and you give what you get. So good point to start with, Sam, look at that. See, this is why we have you on. Actually a little bit of a controversial thing that I got thrown at me on the Old X in my last.

It's quid pro quo you've got to get what you give, and you give what you get. So good point to start with, Sam, look at that. See, this is why we have you on. Actually a little bit of a controversial thing that I got thrown at me on the Old X in my last.

Podcast with Petcos.

Podcast with Petcos.

We were so enthusiastic to talk about the women's final and I want your thoughts on Madison Keys as well, but because you did virtually all of her matches as well as Isustra and open the controversy with the woman yelling out to Zverev about you know, Australia believes, you know, the two women that have accused him.

We were so enthusiastic to talk about the women's final and I want your thoughts on Madison Keys as well, but because you did virtually all of her matches as well as Isustra and open the controversy with the woman yelling out to Zverev about you know, Australia believes, you know, the two women that have accused him.

And people were like, why didn't you talk about that?

And people were like, why didn't you talk about that?

And I was like, because I wanted to talk about the positive things about the strain and open and particularly about Madison Keys and what she did.

And I was like, because I wanted to talk about the positive things about the strain and open and particularly about Madison Keys and what she did.

But I don't know how you thought about that.

But I don't know how you thought about that.

My thinking is I've spoken so much about the Zverev situation. People should know how I feel about him and about that situation. But also I just didn't think that was I guess there's a time to yell it out. That was perfect time because it was dead quiet, because people wanted to hear what he had to say. But I just I honestly didn't talk about it because I forgot about it.

My thinking is I've spoken so much about the Zverev situation. People should know how I feel about him and about that situation. But also I just didn't think that was I guess there's a time to yell it out. That was perfect time because it was dead quiet, because people wanted to hear what he had to say. But I just I honestly didn't talk about it because I forgot about it.

Well, I haven't thought about it for a moment since actually, so.

Well, I haven't thought about it for a moment since actually, so.

Yeah, look, perfect time for that person to do that.

Yeah, look, perfect time for that person to do that.

I don't think it's an appropriate time overall, though, like, come on, it's not what that moment's about. So I didn't honestly, I couldn't even understand what she was yelling out. It wasn't until afterwards I read it online. So yeah, look, I don't I don't think it's a great I'm not about that sort of behavior.

I don't think it's an appropriate time overall, though, like, come on, it's not what that moment's about. So I didn't honestly, I couldn't even understand what she was yelling out. It wasn't until afterwards I read it online. So yeah, look, I don't I don't think it's a great I'm not about that sort of behavior.

Put it that way.

Put it that way.

Yeah, well, I.

Yeah, well, I.

Mean, listen, I can understand if you really feel strongly about the two women that have accused him of you know, assault and all that sort of stuff, you can understand that was the perfect time to do it. But also, at the same time, it kind of felt bad for Sinner in a lot of ways because he was like, well, jeez, this is sor of taking it away from his moment as well. But anyway, to the person who and the people who came at me on X, we totally forgot about it.

Mean, listen, I can understand if you really feel strongly about the two women that have accused him of you know, assault and all that sort of stuff, you can understand that was the perfect time to do it. But also, at the same time, it kind of felt bad for Sinner in a lot of ways because he was like, well, jeez, this is sor of taking it away from his moment as well. But anyway, to the person who and the people who came at me on X, we totally forgot about it.

We didn't even think about talking about it because.

We didn't even think about talking about it because.

We wanted to get to how good the women's final was, and for someone like you who's won a Grand Slam, and you know, I thought about you when Madison hit that inside out fourhand to win the tournament, was such a great shot.

We wanted to get to how good the women's final was, and for someone like you who's won a Grand Slam, and you know, I thought about you when Madison hit that inside out fourhand to win the tournament, was such a great shot.

It was such a great moment.

It was such a great moment.

You also like hit this incredible inside out fourhand to win your Grand Slam against Serena. Take us through, like what that must have felt for Maddie and what she's gone through.

You also like hit this incredible inside out fourhand to win your Grand Slam against Serena. Take us through, like what that must have felt for Maddie and what she's gone through.

Similarly to you, you were an old in age when you won.

Similarly to you, you were an old in age when you won.

You you was open, you'd been close at the French Open, You've been to the Semis and of the final. Take us through what that must have meant for her and what she's put in and the thing she said afterwards about therapy and everything like that, what the big.

You you was open, you'd been close at the French Open, You've been to the Semis and of the final. Take us through what that must have meant for her and what she's put in and the thing she said afterwards about therapy and everything like that, what the big.

Picture was for you?

Picture was for you?

Oh look, I was so happy for her. I think.

Oh look, I was so happy for her. I think.

The whole tournament, before the draw was even done, I thought saba Anka was gonna win. So then it was funny when it got to Saberlanka and Keys in the final, I was like, oh, I can't now back against the person I've been saying's going to win with her actually in the final, but thing, yeah, I was like, Keys has got a great shot here. I was super impressed with the way she fought through that match with Fiantech. I said it somewhere, you know, I thought she was done down and out. I thought physically she looked more tapped than what Eager did, especially in that super tie break and a couple of other key things that happened in there. But somehow she found a way to win the more important points and get herself back into that tie break and then ultimately win it. And she went out and won it like she absolutely deserved that semi final, And after seeing her play like that going into the final, it was like, Okay, I think this is sort of meant to be for her, And.

The whole tournament, before the draw was even done, I thought saba Anka was gonna win. So then it was funny when it got to Saberlanka and Keys in the final, I was like, oh, I can't now back against the person I've been saying's going to win with her actually in the final, but thing, yeah, I was like, Keys has got a great shot here. I was super impressed with the way she fought through that match with Fiantech. I said it somewhere, you know, I thought she was done down and out. I thought physically she looked more tapped than what Eager did, especially in that super tie break and a couple of other key things that happened in there. But somehow she found a way to win the more important points and get herself back into that tie break and then ultimately win it. And she went out and won it like she absolutely deserved that semi final, And after seeing her play like that going into the final, it was like, Okay, I think this is sort of meant to be for her, And.

I do feel like it was great that she got.

I do feel like it was great that she got.

Off to a good start and really kind of set the tone there because you kind of want that knowing Okay, well, I've been in this situation before. Didn't go my way, I didn't handle it well. I think the way that she was able to turn that around, especially in that time frame two seven years a long time to have between drinks to you know, think about that and then okay, well how am I different now?

Off to a good start and really kind of set the tone there because you kind of want that knowing Okay, well, I've been in this situation before. Didn't go my way, I didn't handle it well. I think the way that she was able to turn that around, especially in that time frame two seven years a long time to have between drinks to you know, think about that and then okay, well how am I different now?

What could I do? And to play?

What could I do? And to play?

And then there was some key things In that third set, I think it was one all love third she got out of. Then the five all game was a joke, and it was like that five all game, she just stepped up and just took it.

And then there was some key things In that third set, I think it was one all love third she got out of. Then the five all game was a joke, and it was like that five all game, she just stepped up and just took it.

To another level.

To another level.

And it was neck and neck really up until that point, and whatever came over her, it was like, I'm going out to win this, and I just love seeing that, and it genuinely made me like, obviously love tennis, and I love watching tennis anyway.

And it was neck and neck really up until that point, and whatever came over her, it was like, I'm going out to win this, and I just love seeing that, and it genuinely made me like, obviously love tennis, and I love watching tennis anyway.

But that little period of five or six.

But that little period of five or six.

Minutes from five all to the end of the match made me really excited about tennis and like, geez, that's incredible to watch. It's like edges, you seat stuff. I was sitting in the green room at Channel nine and there was fire or maybe five of us in there.

Minutes from five all to the end of the match made me really excited about tennis and like, geez, that's incredible to watch. It's like edges, you seat stuff. I was sitting in the green room at Channel nine and there was fire or maybe five of us in there.

And we were like up on our feet.

And we were like up on our feet.

And fist pumping up just because the tennis was so good. And I just hats off to her for what she like. We can go into the things that she's changed and adapted, but to do what she did in that moment and say I'm going to be better than what I've been before, and I'm going to do it every point.

And fist pumping up just because the tennis was so good. And I just hats off to her for what she like. We can go into the things that she's changed and adapted, but to do what she did in that moment and say I'm going to be better than what I've been before, and I'm going to do it every point.

And you know, if it comes off.

And you know, if it comes off.

I know I'm going to get the ultimate reward of what I've always wanted, and if it doesn't, I'm actually going to sleep better anyway because I'm not going to be scared about missing. She went out and won that, and I think that's just what every player should aspire to. Like, I want all the girls in my BJKT to watch that last ten minutes and be like, Okay, like that was unbelievable, but it's doable. It is actually doable to do that. It's a decision that you can make and kind of take it with both hands and go after it.

I know I'm going to get the ultimate reward of what I've always wanted, and if it doesn't, I'm actually going to sleep better anyway because I'm not going to be scared about missing. She went out and won that, and I think that's just what every player should aspire to. Like, I want all the girls in my BJKT to watch that last ten minutes and be like, Okay, like that was unbelievable, but it's doable. It is actually doable to do that. It's a decision that you can make and kind of take it with both hands and go after it.

Yeah, So you know, I know that you hate talking about yourself and you know the successes that you had, but sort of take me through that maturation of sort of what you went through losing the French Open final and the things you learned, And is that the.

Yeah, So you know, I know that you hate talking about yourself and you know the successes that you had, but sort of take me through that maturation of sort of what you went through losing the French Open final and the things you learned, And is that the.

Feeling that you had also?

Feeling that you had also?

You and I have talked about it, but and we've talked about it on the pod, But do you think that you know the things that she would have learned through that period of Yes, seven years is a long time, but do you think that that last couple of games were very similar to you?

You and I have talked about it, but and we've talked about it on the pod, But do you think that you know the things that she would have learned through that period of Yes, seven years is a long time, but do you think that that last couple of games were very similar to you?

Like, I have to take this I can't.

Like, I have to take this I can't.

Allow someone you know, arguably Sabolenka best player on hard court for the last two or three years, and also Serena being the greatest player of all time.

Allow someone you know, arguably Sabolenka best player on hard court for the last two or three years, and also Serena being the greatest player of all time.

You have to take it. And that's what I like to see.

You have to take it. And that's what I like to see.

But also just the clarity on her and the calmness she had in the end, because that's always been her bit of an achilles heel.

But also just the clarity on her and the calmness she had in the end, because that's always been her bit of an achilles heel.

Oh for sure.

Oh for sure.

I think playing the likes of Sabolenka or Serena whatever, they're not going to get into those moments and then give you the match like they've been there, done that, they know how to win. So if you want to win, you actually have to win it. In my opinion, maybe one out of whatever. You might get lucky and they'll make somenth forced aerius and you know, not be out to handle it, but you.

I think playing the likes of Sabolenka or Serena whatever, they're not going to get into those moments and then give you the match like they've been there, done that, they know how to win. So if you want to win, you actually have to win it. In my opinion, maybe one out of whatever. You might get lucky and they'll make somenth forced aerius and you know, not be out to handle it, but you.

Have to go for it.

Have to go for it.

And I think, like, I don't know exactly obviously what her experience was at the US Open final, but clearly just handle it well.

And I think, like, I don't know exactly obviously what her experience was at the US Open final, but clearly just handle it well.

No, But I'm saying like in the lead.

No, But I'm saying like in the lead.

Up and all that, how she felt and whatever, she didn't handle it well. And looking back on my French Open, I feel like there was things that I definitely could have done better and wish I'd done better, obviously, but I also don't think I played as bad as what I thought I did in the moment, and can look at the actual match with a bit more clarity now. However, in the lead up to the final, things were just so different to any other match. All of a sudden, you know you're doing There's more media, there's more attention, there's more this. Oh my god, I'm playing my first grandson final. I had paparazzi for the first time ever in my life, following me leaving the restaurant the night before my final, thinking what.

Up and all that, how she felt and whatever, she didn't handle it well. And looking back on my French Open, I feel like there was things that I definitely could have done better and wish I'd done better, obviously, but I also don't think I played as bad as what I thought I did in the moment, and can look at the actual match with a bit more clarity now. However, in the lead up to the final, things were just so different to any other match. All of a sudden, you know you're doing There's more media, there's more attention, there's more this. Oh my god, I'm playing my first grandson final. I had paparazzi for the first time ever in my life, following me leaving the restaurant the night before my final, thinking what.

The hell is going on?

The hell is going on?

Like everything was different, and I'd never gone through that moment before, neither had my coach, neither had my matcher. None of us in my team had ever experienced what that was, and so you know, not to say that Skivone's team or anyone had either, but whatever the case, she did it better on the day and deserved to win. I thought I could have been a bit better, and so I learned that then going into the US Open, and obviously totally different circumstances and everything.

Like everything was different, and I'd never gone through that moment before, neither had my coach, neither had my matcher. None of us in my team had ever experienced what that was, and so you know, not to say that Skivone's team or anyone had either, but whatever the case, she did it better on the day and deserved to win. I thought I could have been a bit better, and so I learned that then going into the US Open, and obviously totally different circumstances and everything.

Nothing's always exactly the same, but we'd.

Nothing's always exactly the same, but we'd.

Had that experience as a team, and I'd had that experience as an individual and being the player to say, I don't want to feel like that again, and I'm going to do a B and C and stick to this and go out there and win the match on my terms because I don't want.

Had that experience as a team, and I'd had that experience as an individual and being the player to say, I don't want to feel like that again, and I'm going to do a B and C and stick to this and go out there and win the match on my terms because I don't want.

To feel like I did at the French Trap.

To feel like I did at the French Trap.

I don't want to not be able to watch this final for a year before I can handle.

I don't want to not be able to watch this final for a year before I can handle.

It, you know.

It, you know.

And she said, you know, there's probably not many days that went by between losing that.

And she said, you know, there's probably not many days that went by between losing that.

Two am I going to get another chance and do that?

Two am I going to get another chance and do that?

And so hats off to her for dealing with it, getting the therapy, and then obviously there was those changes that she made with a serve and racket, which I think were absolutely huge, and then we can go into that as well. But it's it's just a great thing to see someone of her age and experience still feel like there was something to learn and something to gain from all of that. And then because I think everyone in the tennis world probably thought, jeez, Matty Keys really could win a Grand Slam.

And so hats off to her for dealing with it, getting the therapy, and then obviously there was those changes that she made with a serve and racket, which I think were absolutely huge, and then we can go into that as well. But it's it's just a great thing to see someone of her age and experience still feel like there was something to learn and something to gain from all of that. And then because I think everyone in the tennis world probably thought, jeez, Matty Keys really could win a Grand Slam.

Oh yeah, I think we all agree now.

Oh yeah, I think we all agree now.

And that's always that's always such a hard thing to deal with. Two when because potential is only potential and an idea and a theory. It doesn't mean that anyone's ever going to get it. You still need to go and do the work and make it happen.

And that's always that's always such a hard thing to deal with. Two when because potential is only potential and an idea and a theory. It doesn't mean that anyone's ever going to get it. You still need to go and do the work and make it happen.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Absolutely, And I think you know, I give I didn't give Petco enough credit last week, and frankly Maddie enough credit when Petko said, look, we can talk about the racket, we can talk about the changes as a serve. We can talk about the fact that you know, beyond I felt was probably going to be the most pivotal person sitting on the side of a court for anyone in history, because he was able to help her through those moments emotionally. But Peko said, but everything she did was because she wanted to do it, and she's the one had to sell it, and she's the one that decided to change the racket, and she's the one that decided in the end to change the feet you know, on the serve, and she's the one that decided to go to therapy and make the changes in her life. And I think that you know, in the end, Madison Keys has grown exponentially in the last twelve months of dealing with that pressure and also the set in five to three against Sabolenka at the US Open. I was their courtside and that was a complete debarcle. She completely fell apart and Sabolanka played very well in the third set. But to learn from all of those mistakes, you know, like you said, you hope the girls that you're coaching now as the captain of the Captain of the Billy Jean Kinkup can learn that you can do those things in a later age and make the choices. But also Petcko brought up a really good point about Martin Kaimer. He used to be number one golfer in the world, how he played a certain way and to win the masses he had to play a little bit differently, and how it completely fucked up his career. So you can make the changes and it can be really great, and you can make them.

Absolutely, And I think you know, I give I didn't give Petco enough credit last week, and frankly Maddie enough credit when Petko said, look, we can talk about the racket, we can talk about the changes as a serve. We can talk about the fact that you know, beyond I felt was probably going to be the most pivotal person sitting on the side of a court for anyone in history, because he was able to help her through those moments emotionally. But Peko said, but everything she did was because she wanted to do it, and she's the one had to sell it, and she's the one that decided to change the racket, and she's the one that decided in the end to change the feet you know, on the serve, and she's the one that decided to go to therapy and make the changes in her life. And I think that you know, in the end, Madison Keys has grown exponentially in the last twelve months of dealing with that pressure and also the set in five to three against Sabolenka at the US Open. I was their courtside and that was a complete debarcle. She completely fell apart and Sabolanka played very well in the third set. But to learn from all of those mistakes, you know, like you said, you hope the girls that you're coaching now as the captain of the Captain of the Billy Jean Kinkup can learn that you can do those things in a later age and make the choices. But also Petcko brought up a really good point about Martin Kaimer. He used to be number one golfer in the world, how he played a certain way and to win the masses he had to play a little bit differently, and how it completely fucked up his career. So you can make the changes and it can be really great, and you can make them.

And thins and go south.

And thins and go south.

So there's things that you even in life, are in sports. You're making big choices there to make big changes. And the fact that it worked out for her is this testament to her like actually having the courage to do that and the fortitude.

So there's things that you even in life, are in sports. You're making big choices there to make big changes. And the fact that it worked out for her is this testament to her like actually having the courage to do that and the fortitude.

And I love that she says, I wanted it.

And I love that she says, I wanted it.

I wanted it really bad, but I didn't need it, and that's super important. That doesn't mean that you don't put in the hard work, That doesn't mean you're not putting in the same hours, doesn't mean you don't want it as much, but you don't need it a very different feeling.

I wanted it really bad, but I didn't need it, and that's super important. That doesn't mean that you don't put in the hard work, That doesn't mean you're not putting in the same hours, doesn't mean you don't want it as much, but you don't need it a very different feeling.

Yeah, and just on that about her being the one doing it, that's why you have people around you and a team to help obviously make suggestions and work through those things. But ultimately, if the player doesn't want to do it, they're not going to do it, and it's not going to work. And if you do it half fast or not, you know, not wholeheartedly. It doesn't matter what racket you're swinging or how you're serving technique wise, if you don't fully believe in it. But she bought in to the idea and stuck with it, and it, you know, helped her in the biggest moment of her career. So it's still up to her to follow through with that. And also we're not talking about a technique on a shot that was a bad shot either, Like, yeah, he had a really good serve and there wasn't like if people could have her serve, there'd be beny plays putting their hand up saying yeah, sure, I'll have Matti Keysa sir.

Yeah, and just on that about her being the one doing it, that's why you have people around you and a team to help obviously make suggestions and work through those things. But ultimately, if the player doesn't want to do it, they're not going to do it, and it's not going to work. And if you do it half fast or not, you know, not wholeheartedly. It doesn't matter what racket you're swinging or how you're serving technique wise, if you don't fully believe in it. But she bought in to the idea and stuck with it, and it, you know, helped her in the biggest moment of her career. So it's still up to her to follow through with that. And also we're not talking about a technique on a shot that was a bad shot either, Like, yeah, he had a really good serve and there wasn't like if people could have her serve, there'd be beny plays putting their hand up saying yeah, sure, I'll have Matti Keysa sir.

Yeah, Ka would have won five Grand slams that she'd maybe had her serf.

Yeah, Ka would have won five Grand slams that she'd maybe had her serf.

That's the thing.

That's the thing.

So it was still actually a weapon of hers, but she thought it could be better and obviously to try and help the injuries and things that she carries in the nigger and that along the way.

So it was still actually a weapon of hers, but she thought it could be better and obviously to try and help the injuries and things that she carries in the nigger and that along the way.

That obviously goes there.

That obviously goes there.

But it's an element of risk there as well, because if it doesn't work out or you can't stick to it and you lose your rhythm and then other things happen, especially on the serve, that can be really tough.

But it's an element of risk there as well, because if it doesn't work out or you can't stick to it and you lose your rhythm and then other things happen, especially on the serve, that can be really tough.

When it's actually a weapon of yours.

When it's actually a weapon of yours.

It's not like having a terrible shot where you're like, well there's nothing to lose here because I can't bloody hit it anyway.

It's not like having a terrible shot where you're like, well there's nothing to lose here because I can't bloody hit it anyway.

Yeah, she actually did so again to.

Yeah, she actually did so again to.

Do that at her level, her ranking, her time in her career and everything. I just I really, yeah, give her a lot and a lot of credit for doing it.

Do that at her level, her ranking, her time in her career and everything. I just I really, yeah, give her a lot and a lot of credit for doing it.

Yeah, hats off, just really quick.

Yeah, hats off, just really quick.

On Madison now not being able to play this tournament at Austin because it's a two fifty.

On Madison now not being able to play this tournament at Austin because it's a two fifty.

How do you feel about that?

How do you feel about that?

And we've talked about this after you won the US Open, you said you probably should have taken a little bit of time off just to adjust to all that. I mean, she's been on Good Morning America. She's got all this stuff going on, and I just wonder, I'm not sure if she's pulled out of delha and Dubai or what her schedule is going to change. If it's going to change, because that's what her schedule was supposed to be, what would you advise. And also not being able to play this two fifty now because she's in the top ten, what do you think about that he would have played.

And we've talked about this after you won the US Open, you said you probably should have taken a little bit of time off just to adjust to all that. I mean, she's been on Good Morning America. She's got all this stuff going on, and I just wonder, I'm not sure if she's pulled out of delha and Dubai or what her schedule is going to change. If it's going to change, because that's what her schedule was supposed to be, what would you advise. And also not being able to play this two fifty now because she's in the top ten, what do you think about that he would have played.

That she was entered for that.

That she was entered for that.

Yeah, yes, Look.

Yeah, yes, Look.

If I was her and could go back, I probably wouldn't bother playing Doha if that's the next one, that is the next one after Abu Dhabi. Just take some time enjoy. Obviously it's been a whirlwind anyway. But actually, now you're not going to win matches now just because you won the Australian Open.

If I was her and could go back, I probably wouldn't bother playing Doha if that's the next one, that is the next one after Abu Dhabi. Just take some time enjoy. Obviously it's been a whirlwind anyway. But actually, now you're not going to win matches now just because you won the Australian Open.

Yeah, it doesn't mean that you're.

Yeah, it doesn't mean that you're.

Just gonna now carry on because you've got that title. So you're still got to prepare, You still to be practice, You're still got to do all the things that got you to winning these strain.

Just gonna now carry on because you've got that title. So you're still got to prepare, You still to be practice, You're still got to do all the things that got you to winning these strain.

Open and I think it realistically, there's not enough time and just enjoy it.

Open and I think it realistically, there's not enough time and just enjoy it.

Like I knows that she's going to win another Grand Slam, so go home, She's done all the stuff. Now, Actually just really enjoy it for yourself and the people that you want to enjoy it with. I think before you, you know, get back out there, because then you go through it all again, like you're going to do media and go through relive the Aussie Open all over again. And you know, but which is great, and that's going to happen no matter where you start. But actually just feel prepared to put in the same way and so yeah, I ditched, Oh I far was her?

Like I knows that she's going to win another Grand Slam, so go home, She's done all the stuff. Now, Actually just really enjoy it for yourself and the people that you want to enjoy it with. I think before you, you know, get back out there, because then you go through it all again, like you're going to do media and go through relive the Aussie Open all over again. And you know, but which is great, and that's going to happen no matter where you start. But actually just feel prepared to put in the same way and so yeah, I ditched, Oh I far was her?

Maybe even Dubai.

Maybe even Dubai.

Depending on what you know, how you're feeling, you might be really eager and super keen to get out there, so which is great.

Depending on what you know, how you're feeling, you might be really eager and super keen to get out there, so which is great.

But I would just say just be ready to actually play.

But I would just say just be ready to actually play.

And yeah, look the whole rules about top ten not being able to play two fifties and all of that, there's lots of ins and outs of those rules that I don't quite understand, and I think it's a real shame for some of those tournaments that they don't get a player. I didn't also love when you could have one top ten player at those events and it was like the first one who entered.

And yeah, look the whole rules about top ten not being able to play two fifties and all of that, there's lots of ins and outs of those rules that I don't quite understand, and I think it's a real shame for some of those tournaments that they don't get a player. I didn't also love when you could have one top ten player at those events and it was like the first one who entered.

Got in and that was it. And or last year in Hong Kong.

Got in and that was it. And or last year in Hong Kong.

Say when Emma Navarro lost early in Beijing and then could take a wild card into a two fifty. See, you're not really allowed to play. But now I'm going to take a wild card into a two fifty. I think that's ridiculous. So I think there's maybe little tweeks of those rules that probably need to be adjusted.

Say when Emma Navarro lost early in Beijing and then could take a wild card into a two fifty. See, you're not really allowed to play. But now I'm going to take a wild card into a two fifty. I think that's ridiculous. So I think there's maybe little tweeks of those rules that probably need to be adjusted.

Yeah, I agree.

Yeah, I agree.

And also, you know you've got four Americans, four inside the top ten right now is incredible. You've got Emma Navarro, Jessica Bagoula, Coco and Madison. Why not keep promoting the sport in America, which, let's face it, that's where a lot of.

And also, you know you've got four Americans, four inside the top ten right now is incredible. You've got Emma Navarro, Jessica Bagoula, Coco and Madison. Why not keep promoting the sport in America, which, let's face it, that's where a lot of.

The dollars are.

The dollars are.

You know, you could grow that tournament from a two fifty or five hundred maybe and go into Indian wells.

You know, you could grow that tournament from a two fifty or five hundred maybe and go into Indian wells.

There could be ways.

There could be ways.

To move the I just just to me, it's shooting yourself in the foot. If someone happens to enter the tournament, I want to play there and happens to win the Australian Open and get back inside the top ten.

To move the I just just to me, it's shooting yourself in the foot. If someone happens to enter the tournament, I want to play there and happens to win the Australian Open and get back inside the top ten.

Well lucky then, yeah, I agree, And it's it's kind of like, okay, well great, those four players can play those big mandatory thousands, but yeah, what about all the other ones where you could be doing exactly what you've just said and in your own market. That's where I'd just like, if we had a top ten player and they said you couldn't go and play in.

Well lucky then, yeah, I agree, And it's it's kind of like, okay, well great, those four players can play those big mandatory thousands, but yeah, what about all the other ones where you could be doing exactly what you've just said and in your own market. That's where I'd just like, if we had a top ten player and they said you couldn't go and play in.

Hoeba, not Brisbane from five hundred or Hobart or.

Hoeba, not Brisbane from five hundred or Hobart or.

Something, be like, are you kidding me right now? That tournament could do amazing things with a player like that. So, especially when it's from your own market, I think it's there's something that doesn't work for me.

Something, be like, are you kidding me right now? That tournament could do amazing things with a player like that. So, especially when it's from your own market, I think it's there's something that doesn't work for me.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think there was something with on Suberto wanting to play a smaller tournament the Middle East and they wouldn't because she was top tener. It's just like you're trying to grow the market, Like, why are you stifling that situation? It's crazy, especially Madison, who if she chooses not to go to Doha and Dubai, that's a perfect place for her to go and play before Indian well.

I think there was something with on Suberto wanting to play a smaller tournament the Middle East and they wouldn't because she was top tener. It's just like you're trying to grow the market, Like, why are you stifling that situation? It's crazy, especially Madison, who if she chooses not to go to Doha and Dubai, that's a perfect place for her to go and play before Indian well.

Before in the world in Miami.

Before in the world in Miami.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Anyway, news today, your thoughts on Simona Hallett retire retiring.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Anyway, news today, your thoughts on Simona Hallett retire retiring.

I'm going to give my thoughts and I want yours.

I'm going to give my thoughts and I want yours.

I feel really badly for her that her career ended the way it did, whether you believe her or not, whether you think a team fucked up or not, whether you think whatever the injury, it's just it's sad that someone you know that.

I feel really badly for her that her career ended the way it did, whether you believe her or not, whether you think a team fucked up or not, whether you think whatever the injury, it's just it's sad that someone you know that.

Gave a lot to the sport.

Gave a lot to the sport.

You know, Look, she probably got tested more than anyone, or just as much as any top ten player for those periods that she was doing well and came back clean every single time she won the French Open, when she won, when woman, it just feels icky that it had to end just like like that.

You know, Look, she probably got tested more than anyone, or just as much as any top ten player for those periods that she was doing well and came back clean every single time she won the French Open, when she won, when woman, it just feels icky that it had to end just like like that.

I totally agree.

I totally agree.

I read it just a couple of hours ago and I was like, she feel really sad for her because it's just that's not the way you want to see anyone go out. And I'm like, if she's innocent, I feel really bad that it's come to this and now it's done and it's finished the way it has and it's just sad.

I read it just a couple of hours ago and I was like, she feel really sad for her because it's just that's not the way you want to see anyone go out. And I'm like, if she's innocent, I feel really bad that it's come to this and now it's done and it's finished the way it has and it's just sad.

And if she's guilty, I don't feel quite so sad for her.

And if she's guilty, I don't feel quite so sad for her.

Obviously, because I'm like, well, yeah, che did, but it's still not a great way to you know, come out because she, as you said, in her height and prime and everything, it was all clean.

Obviously, because I'm like, well, yeah, che did, but it's still not a great way to you know, come out because she, as you said, in her height and prime and everything, it was all clean.

There was nothing, nothing to talk about.

There was nothing, nothing to talk about.

There was never a problem, right, So yeah, I do if she's innocent, I do feel really bad that it's come to this, But losing.

There was never a problem, right, So yeah, I do if she's innocent, I do feel really bad that it's come to this, But losing.

Like one in one in your home.

Like one in one in your home.

Tournament and it was kind of oh, that's it.

Tournament and it was kind of oh, that's it.

It's sad.

It's sad.

Yeah, yeah, I just look, you know, we both know her. She's lovely, always been super nice to everyone. Like she's pretty quiet girl, but you know, overall she was always treated everyone pretty well. Obviously got a little bit closer to her because of Darren Cahill's relationship.

Yeah, yeah, I just look, you know, we both know her. She's lovely, always been super nice to everyone. Like she's pretty quiet girl, but you know, overall she was always treated everyone pretty well. Obviously got a little bit closer to her because of Darren Cahill's relationship.

With her, And I just remember some of the great matches that she played.

With her, And I just remember some of the great matches that she played.

You know, that match against Kerber at the Australian Open goes down as one of the great matches I ever sat courtside for at the Australian Open as a commentator. I mean, I'll never forget that one point that they played with they both looped it up in the air. It was about three and a half hours into the match and they both stopped in the middle of the point and literally took breaths. It was like, am I actually seeing this, Like it was like a fifty ball rally and they finally just hit a loop button. They both just stood there, okay, and off where you go again. And then of course the final with Ozniaku was incredible. I think the US the Wimbledon match against a Serena was like, it's the best match I ever single play. And of course, you know her losing that match against Ostapenko where she was up a set and three love, that's a.

You know, that match against Kerber at the Australian Open goes down as one of the great matches I ever sat courtside for at the Australian Open as a commentator. I mean, I'll never forget that one point that they played with they both looped it up in the air. It was about three and a half hours into the match and they both stopped in the middle of the point and literally took breaths. It was like, am I actually seeing this, Like it was like a fifty ball rally and they finally just hit a loop button. They both just stood there, okay, and off where you go again. And then of course the final with Ozniaku was incredible. I think the US the Wimbledon match against a Serena was like, it's the best match I ever single play. And of course, you know her losing that match against Ostapenko where she was up a set and three love, that's a.

Much she will regret for her whole career.

Much she will regret for her whole career.

You know, you played her many many, many times, great competitor, and you know, as I said, it just feels really sad that it finished the way it did.

You know, you played her many many, many times, great competitor, and you know, as I said, it just feels really sad that it finished the way it did.

Yeah, no, no, absolutely, And like you said, whether you believe her or don't believe her or whatever, it seems like a very very complicated, you know, series of events that have happened and decisions got made and everything else, and it's really it's kind of been tough to watch someone go through that and start playing and then not play and then start again and not and yeah, now it's now it's done. I just yeah, I hope that you know, maybe now that she's okay, yeah, going to not play anymore.

Yeah, no, no, absolutely, And like you said, whether you believe her or don't believe her or whatever, it seems like a very very complicated, you know, series of events that have happened and decisions got made and everything else, and it's really it's kind of been tough to watch someone go through that and start playing and then not play and then start again and not and yeah, now it's now it's done. I just yeah, I hope that you know, maybe now that she's okay, yeah, going to not play anymore.

It's kind of get on with life.

It's kind of get on with life.

And I would do exactly the same as her and fight to the death if you're innocent about something like that.

And I would do exactly the same as her and fight to the death if you're innocent about something like that.

I totally get it. I'd do exactly the same.

I totally get it. I'd do exactly the same.

But it must be so draining and you know, just awful to have to go through and obviously financially.

But it must be so draining and you know, just awful to have to go through and obviously financially.

Yeah, but whether that's.

Yeah, but whether that's.

As much of a toll is what the emotional toll is if you believe you're innocent.

As much of a toll is what the emotional toll is if you believe you're innocent.

I don't know.

I don't know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I think she made a big mistake changing her team, and I think that, you know, in the end she took she believed them, and.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I think she made a big mistake changing her team, and I think that, you know, in the end she took she believed them, and.

Wort All points to that time, doesn't it.

Wort All points to that time, doesn't it.

Yeah, it certainly does.

Yeah, it certainly does.

On a good note, petri Kevineva just announced she's coming back after you know, the time away and.

On a good note, petri Kevineva just announced she's coming back after you know, the time away and.

Baby and all the stuff.

Baby and all the stuff.

But as she said, we're at the first tournament's going to be.

But as she said, we're at the first tournament's going to be.

No, she has not, but she is, I would imagine trying to get herself ready for the old grass courts. That's probably where she's thinking about coming back. Just her thoughts on Petra coming back and you know what that must be.

No, she has not, but she is, I would imagine trying to get herself ready for the old grass courts. That's probably where she's thinking about coming back. Just her thoughts on Petra coming back and you know what that must be.

Like for her, Yeah, Oh, how exciting.

Like for her, Yeah, Oh, how exciting.

Look, she was always such a great player, person, someone that you wanted to have on tour and obviously you know Grand Slam champion as well. So I think she was it was kind of like, oh, I'm leaving, and then he kind of hoped, Okay, well is she going to come back? And I think you never know with players obviously how they're going to respond and come back if it's possible, if they even want to at that time, once they have a child. So I think that the fact that we're going to see Petro back out on court again is fantastic. And again, anyone who can do that and you know, come back to especially high level sport, is just phenomenal.

Look, she was always such a great player, person, someone that you wanted to have on tour and obviously you know Grand Slam champion as well. So I think she was it was kind of like, oh, I'm leaving, and then he kind of hoped, Okay, well is she going to come back? And I think you never know with players obviously how they're going to respond and come back if it's possible, if they even want to at that time, once they have a child. So I think that the fact that we're going to see Petro back out on court again is fantastic. And again, anyone who can do that and you know, come back to especially high level sport, is just phenomenal.

Hats off because it's not easy.

Hats off because it's not easy.

The good news is Austin lost Maddie, but they bring I just looked it up. They're getting petrick A Vitivas. So that's a nice storyline. That's where she's making a comeback. But I think what she's trying to get some matches under a belt and all that sort of stuff. But I think her thought process is if I can get you know, six or seven tournaments under my belt before the grass courts, I might you know.

The good news is Austin lost Maddie, but they bring I just looked it up. They're getting petrick A Vitivas. So that's a nice storyline. That's where she's making a comeback. But I think what she's trying to get some matches under a belt and all that sort of stuff. But I think her thought process is if I can get you know, six or seven tournaments under my belt before the grass courts, I might you know.

Play pretty well.

Play pretty well.

There was also I mean she kind of looked like the last year or two of her career that she was just like, like just it was almost like she had no impotence anymore.

There was also I mean she kind of looked like the last year or two of her career that she was just like, like just it was almost like she had no impotence anymore.

She didn't really want to be out there. She looked a little bit bored, a little bit it's.

She didn't really want to be out there. She looked a little bit bored, a little bit it's.

A grind, and it looked like she'd hit a bit of a wall. So I think maybe she's going to come back with a very different perspective.

A grind, and it looked like she'd hit a bit of a wall. So I think maybe she's going to come back with a very different perspective.

Maybe, yeah, a little refresher though it's probably not going to be any more refreshed having a baby, but different in a different way.

Maybe, yeah, a little refresher though it's probably not going to be any more refreshed having a baby, but different in a different way.

So yeah, again, she's.

So yeah, again, she's.

Been she'd been on tour for a long time and been through a lot, and yeah, sometimes you know, maybe having that break and time away in a good way. Obviously it's not dealing with a major injury that you're out and that's stressful in its own way, but a really nice positive thing that's taken her away from the sport to then be able to come back my just make her that little.

Been she'd been on tour for a long time and been through a lot, and yeah, sometimes you know, maybe having that break and time away in a good way. Obviously it's not dealing with a major injury that you're out and that's stressful in its own way, but a really nice positive thing that's taken her away from the sport to then be able to come back my just make her that little.

Bit more hungry again. And you know, again everyone.

Bit more hungry again. And you know, again everyone.

Says that they come back with a bit of a different perspective and things don't seem so bad when they're bad and whatever else, because there's something you know, slightly more important than just whether you won that match.

Says that they come back with a bit of a different perspective and things don't seem so bad when they're bad and whatever else, because there's something you know, slightly more important than just whether you won that match.

You've got a little human to.

You've got a little human to.

Take care of, So it's I think it's Yeah, it's exciting for tennis and obviously exciting for her.

Take care of, So it's I think it's Yeah, it's exciting for tennis and obviously exciting for her.

Yeah, exactly. So we'll see. We'll see how it goes.

Yeah, exactly. So we'll see. We'll see how it goes.

And some have been really great coming back. Some have struggled a little bit more than others.

And some have been really great coming back. Some have struggled a little bit more than others.

But we'll see.

But we'll see.

It's just nice to have her back, give it another shot for at least probably a year or two.

It's just nice to have her back, give it another shot for at least probably a year or two.

It must move so quickly, sorry, it moves so quickly. If you are out of the sport for whatever reason and you try and come back, it doesn't mean you're going to get back to where you were.

It must move so quickly, sorry, it moves so quickly. If you are out of the sport for whatever reason and you try and come back, it doesn't mean you're going to get back to where you were.

And I think, like you just alluded to.

And I think, like you just alluded to.

Some probably thought, oh, yeah, i'll be fine. I feel just as good as what I did before. I'm hitting the ball just as good in practice, and YadA YadA. But you don't get the results straight away. And if that doesn't happen straight away, sometimes that's another thing that you have to deal with that maybe you never really had to deal with before because you were just so good. And I think that's where now looking back, seeing Serena have those multiple times out four extended periods to then come back and win the AO or.

Some probably thought, oh, yeah, i'll be fine. I feel just as good as what I did before. I'm hitting the ball just as good in practice, and YadA YadA. But you don't get the results straight away. And if that doesn't happen straight away, sometimes that's another thing that you have to deal with that maybe you never really had to deal with before because you were just so good. And I think that's where now looking back, seeing Serena have those multiple times out four extended periods to then come back and win the AO or.

Come back and do what she did.

Come back and do what she did.

Numerous times, you're like, WHOA, that's actually not normal, like because there's been a few players now come back from having children or being injured or whatever, and they're not making semis the finals of Grand Slams again straight away.

Numerous times, you're like, WHOA, that's actually not normal, like because there's been a few players now come back from having children or being injured or whatever, and they're not making semis the finals of Grand Slams again straight away.

So it's not easy.

So it's not easy.

Tennis moves so fast, and if you're not in it sometimes it's hard to catch up.

Tennis moves so fast, and if you're not in it sometimes it's hard to catch up.

But I hope this time, you know, she does well.

But I hope this time, you know, she does well.

I guess in the end, she doesn't need to win any Grand Slams to prove how great a player she is and was, and so she'll be in the Hall of Fame.

I guess in the end, she doesn't need to win any Grand Slams to prove how great a player she is and was, and so she'll be in the Hall of Fame.

She's got to Wemblen titles.

She's got to Wemblen titles.

She's achieved so much in her career, won so many tournaments. So I think she's probably coming back to to say, let me give it one more go and see because you also loved the sport. I mean, look how long you played as well, so as we've established twenty plus years on tour. I don't know if you saw the Davis Cup fiasco. Did you see the Davis cupiasco with Bergs hitting?

She's achieved so much in her career, won so many tournaments. So I think she's probably coming back to to say, let me give it one more go and see because you also loved the sport. I mean, look how long you played as well, so as we've established twenty plus years on tour. I don't know if you saw the Davis Cup fiasco. Did you see the Davis cupiasco with Bergs hitting?

All right, give me your thoughts on that situation.

All right, give me your thoughts on that situation.

I think.

I think.

I am like, Okay, firstly, how did he not see what's his name playing green and Barren coming? And if he didn't know it was him, it was still going to be someone. So you just knocked someone out. So firstly, I'm like, well, maybe you just need to give yourself a little more space between the net and the umpires, Dan, But at the same time, it was obviously completely unintentional and just an act of the moment of what playing for his country meant to him, and such as time in the match at home, he's got the break, he's about to see for the match, you know, all those things just ultimate excitement. And then I have no doubt it not Garren and obviously he was on the ground, But to say I'm not going to play anymore and do that, I'm like, come on, can.

I am like, Okay, firstly, how did he not see what's his name playing green and Barren coming? And if he didn't know it was him, it was still going to be someone. So you just knocked someone out. So firstly, I'm like, well, maybe you just need to give yourself a little more space between the net and the umpires, Dan, But at the same time, it was obviously completely unintentional and just an act of the moment of what playing for his country meant to him, and such as time in the match at home, he's got the break, he's about to see for the match, you know, all those things just ultimate excitement. And then I have no doubt it not Garren and obviously he was on the ground, But to say I'm not going to play anymore and do that, I'm like, come on, can.

We not get up and just finish the match?

We not get up and just finish the match?

Like?

Like?

But I don't know.

But I don't know.

I was a bit like, yeah, I didn't love that, but I'm not God like put yourself in his shoes too, But it felt like to me he wanted the default because he just lost serve and thought he was going to lose the match.

I was a bit like, yeah, I didn't love that, but I'm not God like put yourself in his shoes too, But it felt like to me he wanted the default because he just lost serve and thought he was going to lose the match.

Yes, I agree with you one hundred percent.

Yes, I agree with you one hundred percent.

I also agree, and I said it on x I was like and on the social media, so I was like, come on, Like, the guy was excited. We see it all the time in tennis where people run to their chair and they're trying to make a point, they're trying to let the home crowd and get it in, and he's excited. I also think that Geren could have slowed down to let him go right, because you could. You know, when your opponent's running, you see it. It's not like you've got your head down and you're not looking. You see the guy coming running. And how many times often do you see that and you just kind of step back and you're like, go ahead, douchebag, you just broke me, f you kind of thing, you know. And he did it, and he was like, nah, I'm going to keep walking. And you see that Bergs tries to jump because the umpires stands aren't like straight up and down. They often have a little bit of a curve to them, you know, so obviously the umpire has got a little bit of balance under there. So I reckon, what's happened is he's gone running and gone, on, shit, I'm getting pretty close to Garen and I'm close to the umpire's chair and I've got a better jump, so I get ahead of him right and miss him and miss the chair because he wouldn't have jumped if he thought he was going to just run straight through it, right or run past it. So he's probably trying to jump as you do. We've all done it where you like walking by someone and you just kind of get out of the way.