Poet, musician and cultural visionary Saul Williams joins Yorta Yorta artist, writer and activist Neil Morris for a conversation that traces the colonial logics hidden in plain sight. From Wall Street to Boundary Street, they unpack how empire is built through naming, branding, borders and memory, and how these structures continue to shape the worlds we inherit.

Together, they explore racial capitalism, Indigenous sovereignty, solidarity across occupied lands, and the role of art and language in imagining futures beyond colonialism. Spanning Turtle Island and so-called Australia, this is a conversation about refusing inherited narratives and creating new ways of seeing, speaking and belonging.

This episode was produced and hosted by Wiradjuri baddie, Ethan Lyons for Race Matters on FBi Radio.