We’re not just data, we are storytellers. Sometimes, the most radical thing we can do is speak, loudly and deliberately, into futures we get to shape ourselves.

Ethan and Janey are joined by Nyungar technologist and futurist Kathryn Gledhill-Tucker to traverse the world of machine tech and human autonomy, learning how their work reimagines the embodied and expansive possibilities of a First Nations practice in tech. Across her poetry, speculative-fiction and tech justice advocacy reminds us that even in systems built to monitor, there’s power in reclaiming how we’re heard.

This episode was co-produced and co-hosted by Ethan Lyons and Janey Li. Supervising Production and sound design by Shareeka Helaluddin. Podcast edited by Yvonne Hong.