On this week's episode of R&B Money, Tank and J Valentine unravel the weaving threads that make up Theron Thomas' illustrious career in music. Enveloped by exotic flora on the Caribbean Island of St. Thomas, a young Theron shared an unassuming bedroom with his brother Timothy: four walls confining their ambition but not containing it - fanning its flames was their father who continually inspired them to hone their craft and be nothing less than excellent performers; thus Rock City would ultimately come alive for what we now know as global success both critically acclaimed & commercially revered alike. Appearing before our very eyes is none other than most electrifying talent himself ready to divulge erudite lessons learned from navigating unbeknownst pathways within today's industry including identification skillset grounded upon trustworthiness plus insane records crafted alongside Dr Luke then continuing onto penmanship collaboration with Babyface; furthering onto crafting smashes for respective A list singers such as Usher, Miley Cyrus, Rihanna, Justin Bieber, Doja Cat, Ciara, Sean Kingston, Nicki Minaj, Lizzo + many more. Right About Now, Theron Thomas on The R&B Money Podcast
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Money. We are say take we are a party. Think Hey, what's going on? My name is tank U and DC is the Army Money Podcast. You know nothing about writing songs. You know nothing about writing hits. You're not from the car being either you are? I am not either. I have been there. We have today on the pod. One of the most electrifying talents that we got a scene. He writes it, he sings it, he feels it deeply in the building on that No, I love it. I love yeah you guys, I feel it. You got nicer, don't? Yes? Yes, encourage me? Yes. Virgin Islands right yeah. St. Thomas Virgin Islands. St. Thomas Virgin Island home with Tim Duncan. Yeah, Tim Duncan from St. Croix. But a good friend. Big up to Tim Duncan. That's why. Um, his team was the Spurs is my favorite team until he left. We didn't we don't have a team. We had one player, Tim Duncan. So I was a Spurs fans. One player. Yeah, yeah, we had one superstar player, which is Tim Duncan from St. Croix. And I was a Spurs fan until he retired. Wow, and now I'm just like, you know, basketball was on the TV. Give me, give me, give me. That was very coming to America town. Yes, I know. Okay, come down, bow that's good, that's good. Give me give me because we have so much to unpack. Bro, you've done so much marvelous work in this in this music industry than you are. You are well respected and and and very much called upon, oh Man to deliver. Yeah, like you're one of the guys. It's like you know, for for for record companies are sing we need it. Yeah. No, he's a designated hitter. Designated No what ain't ain't a sports sports whatever whatever. So a designated hitter is somebody that they put in baseball. They put in the game to get hits. They're like, okay, this guy, we need a hit right now. That's it. It's the d H. They only have it on one side of for some weird reason. It's only in the American League. I don't think it's in the in the National League. But yep, this is what this guy is paid to do. Listen, we need a hit right now. You've been sitting on the bench the entire game, and when I put you in, I believe you're going to hit the ball. They've been working with other people. Yeah, for a year and a half. Yeah, and then they called we got the body of work we need hear my accent you this is school. We need to designated hitter. What was give me growing up in the Virgin You're Timothy? Give me and my shout out to Timothy. Shout out to my brother, Timothy, one of my favorite human beings in the world. I love you if you're watching this. Um growing up in St. Thomas. So we we started out, me and my brother started out living in a in a shock, which was the place that my mom was raised with her nine sisters and one brother. And then my mom, my mom, and my dad end up staying there. So we lived there and my mom got really really mad at my dad because she was mad like why am I still in the place my childhood place? You ever seen the Sorry ms Jackson video by outcasts that house, so you know, our door couldn't close. We had a tied close. The bathroom was outside with no lights. We had to take bats before six pm because it would go dark. Um. There was holes in the floor, so we had straight dogs or straight cats or animals just crawl inside the house. And you know, my dad was a trash man, so he would get our beds from the trash came. But we never had, uh, the bed spring or the head boarder, We never had none of that. We just had the Master Masters, you know what I'm saying. But it had the little things in it, so it would poke you when you sleep, you know what I'm saying. So me and my brother would argue on which side somebody would sleep, you know, and um, you know me. You know, I'm forty now, and you know, and my brother and I shared a bed until I was about years old, you know what I mean. And that's a funny that's a funny story because I'm gonna jump back. But we share the bed because we got an apartment in Atlanta when we finally got our own place, two bedroom and we're in our bedrooms yelling at each other, like yo, what are you doing? And I also watched that movie what are you doing? I texting some girl my boy this folk feed wear dog. Yeah, and I just went in my brother room and we we share the bed to the point that our best friend lost his apartment and we let him stay in the other room. Were using that Yeah, like yo, bro, you could yo you can come and you can help pay bills to ship bring groceries in this mouth. Yeah. So you know, so we started in a shack. My mom was mad, you know, somewhat broke up with my My dad was like, you gotta get it together. You you know what I'm saying. We can't be living like this with our kids. And um. They used to be a project in St. Time. It's called Do New or do New cut right, and it's my aunt. My mom's sister Natalie lived up there with my cousin or Shanna Kelly and Kelly, So they lived in do So we went to stin Done with my aunt and I remember my dad coming to surprise us because you know, him and my mom wasn't really messing with each other. Well they you know, they got back and then, um, oh my god, I'm so sorry I'm being here. Yeah, so um they both Um, My my dad went to my mom was like, YEO, I got a surprise for you, and I'm like, hey, everybody, come on, and you know, so we got in the car and he drove us to where we grew up. It's a project in ST Time. It's called housing. The politically correct name is Oswald Harris Court. So you drove us to housing, brought us in there in St. Thomas apartments. Don't coming nothing in it? You know. Like when we moved to the States and we had a c we was like, y'ah, nigg is rich. What do you mean, I don't come with nothing. It just comes with walls, concrete walls. There's no fridge or stove or washer or no, it don't come with nothing in it. It's walls. You gotta buy every thing. So when we any anywhere you move, you have to have I mean all the appliances with you, I want to say, other places. So when we moved in and Bro, so we're coming from the shock, ain't no holes in the floor, ain't no straight you know to us, Bro moving on up? Hey, we me and my you know, we little too. We gotta be like six or seven, seven and eight, just like whoa look at these walls. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. And and and we grew up there, so you know, so growing up in the projects. But it's different. Man, how important it is to have a dad because we had our mom and our dad. So we're in the hood now and all our friends, you know, whose mom go to work and their dad ain't there. They they street niggas, and they you know that my walking with them, my little knife for you know what I'm saying. They're selling their little weed and ship. And we're talking about ten eleven, twelve years old type sure, right, you know. And m me and my brother is just like our dad got us into music, you know, nine years old. I remember watching I remember seeing Criss Cross on TV because we started out as backup dancers for a local hip hop group called uh Rock Sand and Katie or Cody, I was messed up the name, but it's Rock Sand and something. And we would be dancing because you know, back then, everybody in the eighties, everybody was dancing and ship, you know. And we're dancing and then next thing, you know, criss Cross comes out and I'm screaming to the top of my lungs. Mommy, they run in. I want to do that. That right there, that's what I want to do. My Dad's like, okay, my dad is like, this is how I'm gonna get my son's out of the projects. They're gonna get out the projects doing that. And he would just take us through the island performing doing stuff and and you know, and so I end up writing because this dude used to write for us, this high school kid, right, and then he just was like, man, I don't want to do that no more. I want to be a solo artist and focus on myself. So my dad is like, y'all gotta write your own songs. And nobody could ever write a song for you ever. Again, it was like because he put you on a weird spot. And so I started to get into it because I had an English teacher that introduced me to poetry and I just had a fascination with words rhyming. Man, I thought that was the coolest thing in the world. And so you know, I started writing songs. I brought a song to my dad. He's like, man, I'm telling you that well, it's like a poem, but I tried to add melody. He was like, this is crazy. He's like, I'm telling you're amazing. And I remember writing my first song, right, my first song ever. I was twelve years old. I still remember it. So it's like, um, fresh shot done, fresh hot, depressed on their their boy for test, put them to the test. Test. A lyric called test Lyrics from memot may not give your less Alis sexy or my Nie for fiel up mit chest because it's me again, Yes, smithcome fresh. And then I just thought I was the greatest thing that ever happened to me. Just I don't even know that. I don't know great to me. So so yeah, you know with me and my brother, we're a group. We're going around with doing shows. Is the biggest fan, he's your he's your first super fan. He's he's the first super fan. He the greatest man that ever lived on this plant off. Yeah, he's the great human being I've ever met in my life. And and he's like, this is what you're gonna do. And he was like, yo, when you grow up, you're gonna be writing songs with baby Face. You know that's crazy. I had a crazy emotional moment because my dad had passed. And then I wrote a song with baby Face and I called my brother crying and I was like, I said, Timothy, I'm not sad. I'm not sad, I'm just so happy. How did he know? Yeah, because he told me this when I was a little boy, Like, hey, baby Face on you know, singing and out. He's like, oh, you're gonna see you're gonna be writing songs and singing with them. And he refused to let us compete with people from the Virgin Islands. You know, my dad used to be like yo. My dad would be like he was a gangster. You're like yo, Now, these fucking people they never make it. You can't compete with somebody that never do. Your competition is the jay Zy and THEMN people on TV. If you ain't boy on them, we ain't or never leave this place. He used to make us rehearse two hours a day, you know what I'm saying every day, so we couldn't go outside of play unless we make him stand up. So my dad would sit there, me and my brother start saying and he would be like, terrible, I'm your father and I love you. You can't make me move. How are you gonna make a stranger move? I'm like, So he's like, I need to see the show every time. So we keep getting intenser and intensor, and then he will stand up. Yes, this is why need This is the only way you're gonna do it. And so you know, so if you ever had the opportunity to see me and my brother live, we're like you know, we're like jumping exactly and just do that. That's why. So, you know, not knowing that songwriting as a job, you know. So we became the biggest group in the Virgin Islands. But again, my dad is like, I've never seen nothing like this. People would ask us for autographs. Yo. We live in the projects. We're poor. I had my first job at twelve. I worked at a grocery store with bad groceries and get tips and bring home bread and cheese to help my mom, help my mom with a light bill. Like we was. We didn't have nothing. So yeah, but bro, I remember I got my first job, like real job where I could get a paycheck at foot locker and girl and I got fired at foot locker because girls would come to foot locker and be like perform yeah, and be like, oh my god, can you give me an autograph? You know? Or back then they didn't have camera phones, bro, they'd have the little um disposable cameras and be like, yo, let me take a picture with you in the in the uniform. Yeah you got the referee. Yeah. And I'd be like and my dad would be like, bro, y'all are special. I've never seen nothing like that, Yeah, y'all ain't on TV day day was. They thought we were somebody, and we did that until so when we graduated out of high school, our parents give us the choice. They said, if y'all go to college. As parents, we have to try to help y'all. We don't we don't know how, but we're gonna help y'all. But if y'all don't want to go to college and y'all want to go pursue your dream, y'all a man, and then you gotta figure it out. It was like, I'm like, I hated school. I was like, I could do what everybody wants. Oh. Man, I got on the first thing smoking. I told my brother, hey, bet we moved to Miami. Baby. It was the cheapest plane ticket. So that was the closest It's the closest place. So we got on a plane and we went to Miami and m my my dad's half brother lived there, my uncle Trent, who passed, and um, he was in Florida and he had like a one bedroom condo. So he was like, man, I don't really have room for y'all. Y'all can stay as long as y'all want, but I know this ain't comfortable, and my cousin O'shanna, that's the closest thing I have to assist him. My aunt Natalie from Donal, her daughter, She was like, I would love for y'all to stay with me, but I got like female roommates. But her boyfriend at the time, his name was Jason Roberts. Jason was trying to start a record label and he was the biggest, biggest fan of me and my brother musically, so he's like, oh, they can stay with us. But he had five roommates, so we used to so we used to sleep in his dining room on a blanket. But again, me and my brother, we like, come from that, bro. We came listen, bro, Like you know what I'm saying. We come from nothing. Brother, this is this is as long as we got somewhere to sleep and we stay there. And we was like, yo, man. Ten months later, Miami wasn't working out. It was like nothing ain't moving. He was like, yo, we can move to Atlanta or New York, Like all right, while saying that. A promoter from St. Thomas that lived in Atlanta, one of my dad's closest friends, name is Perella, calls us on the phone and said, hey, Yo, there's a big show in Atlanta that I'm trying to do. Them pay you and your brother two hundred fifty dollars and give you a hotel. It was like okay, hung up the phone and I said, to be moving to Atlanta. Um, this is too, this is oh one, We're moving to Atlantic yeah for this two fifty because because you know, you know, my my my high school sweetheart with my girlfriend at the time, was there, and so we go there. You know, she had a job and credit and ship, so she was a person that could like get an apartment and you know, and we we had one night in the hotel and two d and fifty dollars and we was like, yo, we gotta figure out how to make money. But we was like, we're not gonna get jobs, are you crazy? Bro? We came here to do music. So we found out in Atlanta they'll be doing talent shows and you can win. So we started to do talent shows and then we want no life. We want every single talent show except for this one talent show, which to this day, I really feel like we got cheated. But it's all good, you know what. I'm saying, but it's all good and um. What happened was we won so much that it was like, hey guys, you guys can only be special guests. You can't compete no more. And we was like, bro, were only here for the money, like we you know, none of these people don't practice like we practice. We practice every day like me, my brother and I DJ Benny, one of my best friend, Benny, we rehearsed every day, like what, no, Bro, what you were hurting for? What do you mean for a show? What show? Whenever one come, we just would rehearse. So Bro, we got on stage, we woul whoop everybody asked, and we would win, and we would win. No, we knew we was gonna win. We were so confident, call it arrogance, whatever you want to call it. Before the show, we would be like, okay, so tonight we're gonna win two fifty. Benny's light bill is one, so we're gonna let him get that, and Benny, you're gonna let me and Timothy get the rest because we gotta put some groceries in our refrigerator and we're gonna bust it down like that. We're good with that. Oh yeah, we were going there. Yeah, we we just you know, that's and then they literally just like, oh man, we love y'all, man, but y'all y'all can't compete. People don't want to sign up no more because they like, anytime they see your name, they're like, come on, bro, we're not we're not being them. Yeah, And so you know, we're going through the motions and what's not so lifestart, you know, you know when real life happens. Bro, My my my, my high school sweet at the time time gets pregnant. My brother went back to St. Timas like this music ain't really gonna work. I gotta grow up, you know what I mean? And this is after how long in Atlanta? How you know? Just how long have you been in America at this point? A couple of years. It's about four years, four years, about four years in or something like that. Um I want to say, is about four years because um no, no, no no, no, I'm lying yeah, yeah, because it's like, um, two thousand one to my daughters born in two thousand three, my brother back in St. Thomas, you know, and I want to quit music at this point. I'm like everybody keeps telling me how good I am they lying? And I don't like that. I wish they would tell me what I was doing wrong, because if they did, I would change it. But oh, man, is so awesome. I'm not awesome. I ain't making no money. People who are awesome are making money. So I need to know what's the problem is so I could fix it. And my manager Ray, you know, y'all know Ray right. Let me tell you how I met Ray. Ray. Ray and I have been friends for nineteen years. This is the first time I ever met him. My daughter's mother is pregnant with my daughter. She ain't born yet. We got the two bedroom apartment in the East side of Atlanta in a place called Polo Club, and this dude named Mike cal who wants I was broke, couldn't buy nothing for my daughter's mom, so I used to write her love songs. I still got a backpack full of songs that I just I used to write love songs. And she'll come home from work and I'll be singing, and she'd be like, I don't want no song. I want you to get a job. You know what I'm saying. No, no, no, no, no, no no no no no. I mean, you know at the time, keeping it all the way from she was right, But I'm just but you know, you know, sometimes sometimes you gotta be stupid for your dream in order for it to work, you know what I'm saying. So I'm in there writing love songs or whatever, and Ray comes in and Michael says, Yo, this the dude I was telling you about in the group with his brother. Remember, artists need us to be too equipped, he said to equip. Ray said, oh yeah, man, I heard about your niggas. Man, that's what you're doing, whacking fuck in my house the first time I've ever met him. Within the first five minutes, I said. Michael says, you know what, then you're doing? Bro? I said, hold on, why do you think it's whack? He said, come on, Bro, he saw breaking it down to me. I said, Bro, can you tell me more about that? He's like yeah. Michael was like, Bro, I need you to bring him in the city tomorrow. Man, I want him to write with me. Bro. He's like, hey, man, he wants me to drive it, but I ain't really gotta. That's like to be riding around Ray broke two. I said, hey, now I got an extra room. You can stay he said, you just met me. I said, you the first person I ever met that I feel honest. Wow, that mean that that man stayed at my house. He's been my friend for nineteen years since that day. Wow, no ship, that's how he became I would have never thought that's how he became my friend because he told me what I needed to hear at the time, and I took it and it changed my life, changed my mind. Look, just came wrong. We're back, baby, We're back, lady, We're back. You know what I'm saying. The lights ain't going on. Everybody good. And now from this point on, we're like, okay, now that space ourselves. Yeah, you know, let pace ourselves. You know, we plan on being here for a long time. We've been there for a long time. We was like, yo, relax, were played them being there for a long time, you know what I mean. And after that, I want to say. Ray comes to me and he said, yo, man, I think y'all should I think y'all should stop trying to be artists. Like, damn, what do you mean? He's like, if we get hot at songwriting, they're gonna want to give us whatever we want. But we gotta be hot at something like, man, that actually makes sense? Right again, Man, raise a great coach, brother. So y'all go full throttle songwriting, nigger all the way in and we write a song. Let me see what are the songs we can't stop? Twenty three poured up all of the all of the same, all around the same exact time. Up my god, Yeah yeah, okay, let's go up. I remember I was at I want to say gray Stone could be great, I think, and that motherfucking be dropped and they said part of part. I said, oh my god, what the fuck is that? So I have a bunch of so so the way that I look at music, I have a bunch of theories, and I wrote and when I did pour it up. The problem that I had with music is that whenever women, whenever female songs came on, man left the dance floor. And it bothered me mm hmm, like a girl's song will come on and do the same for us. And I was like, I want to say something that, you know, because I feel like the new independent woman is not like I got my own money and that ship you know they've been having that women want to say exactly what we said. So I was like, I want to write a song from man and have a girl say it, because as a man, I'm going to sing along with her, you know what I'm saying. And so this is a controversial thing that I'm about to say. But I've never liked bridges. I never wanted to write bridges. I don't like bridges. I don't want them in my song. And um, if you realize that Poured Up has two verses, because in the Caribbean, if you listen to dance, all music is two verse, and in the first verse repeats they don't do bridges. Yeah, that's my culture. And um, Neo and Sean Garrett and Jonte and the Dream, they were just whooping my ass. I couldn't beat them. They were incredible and I just was like, how do they do that? And I was like, the only thing that these niggas can't outdo me by is being Caribbean, you know. And if I could, if if I could bring music to my culture, I'm gonna whoop all the ass back. And I was like, how am I going to do that? And at that point in time, I kept saying, your music is going to be ratchet. It was like what I said, hip hop is the new rock and roll, and hip hop is going to be the new pop music. And if I can pull it into my culture, not not like dance all as far as the rhythm and stuff, just like the lyrics and the yeah, because I just want to say crazy ship and they'd be like, yo, man, we can't say that. You know. You gotta find a clever way to say it. And I'm like, you gotta find a clever way, man. You know, I didn't want to say that. So so you know, um, so for Unapologetic, for Rihanna, me and my brother, we wrote twenty eight songs, poured up being a twenty eight song. Um, the last one, the last one. We can't stop with one of those songs. And you know it didn't it didn't fit where Rihanna was going. And and in hindsight, now did I hear it? It is it was better for Molly than it was, you know Forria. Molly s Yeah, y'a so funny man. So so you know, um, if you ever gave you two million for us, you know we'll go ahead. Oh man, you know what I'm saying. God is good all the time. You know what I'm saying. You know, what I mean, Um, and so so we so I'm in Atlanta and uh, we can't stop in twenty three and um, Karen Quark, here's we can't stop and say, yea, I want to fly y'all to l A. You Timothy Mike will to do some stuff for Rihanna, Rihanna don't want to do. We can't stop, and like, damn, bro and I didn't wrote so many songs to this girl. I'm like man, and we're out there right in And then the ask AP Awards was in l A. And I went to the ask AP Awards me, my brother and um Ray and they were honoring Quincy Jones. I've never met Quincy Jones in my life. I've only met him one time. And this is the time. I was outside on my phone. If anybody knows me, I'm usually in the phone texting on a game on Instagram or something. Quincy Jones walks up to me and he said, hey, young blood, how you doing? Let me tell you something to take my shaves off of this one and he's and I say, uh, I'm I'm good. Um, Mr Mr Jones, how are you doing? He said, I'm good man. How's the songwriting? Coming like, Quincy Jones know me. But I'm like, it's the ask Cap Awards. Everybody hears it. Writer, maybe that's what it is. I'm like, man, it's going good. Man, you know it's going good. He said, you want a secret the writing hits, Yeah, fuck them versus man, the people want hooks. Man, give the people hooks. And I was like, thank you, and he walks away. The conversation was over. I go to Timothy Rand said, Quincy Jones spoke to me. What are you saying? He said, don't write no verses, just right hooks. And the next day I went to the studio, strip clubs and dollar bills and I still got more money, Thrones shots. Can I get a refill? And I still got more money. I said. I got to repeat it all the time. It's like, why are you repeating that the whole song? Because Quincy Jones told me not to write no fucking verses. He told me to write hooks, nigga. And it was random, and I look at it as a sign, so I have to do this this way. You know, it's crazy. I was at that awards, so yeah, because he spoke when he spoke, and I always remember the term and I still use it, when it rains get wet. Oh man, I like that. I didn't remember that one. I was too busy thinking of what he told me. He stopped you and talk to you. But I remember a quote he said, when it rains get wet. Bro I love that that but like I said, that man really told me that. So after we did a full hook that records a full hook, yeah, you know that record is as a full chorus, and Marty sarrys end up getting a thing. And so you played that for Miley first. That was for Rihanna first, and then they didn't go to Rihanna and end up going to Molly. Molly heard she loved it, end up going to Molly. And Dr Luke did wrecking Ball for Matty Sorrys and Dr Luke wanted wrecking Ball to be the first single, and they was like, nah, it's we can't stop. Who didn't we can't stop? Mike Will and rock City? Who the fund is? Rock City? He's like, I don't know these guys. How I'm dr Look, how are they getting the first thing? I'm supposed to have the first single? So like I want to meet these guys. So we go to the Soho house and we go sit down Luke, me and my brother Caribbean kids from the Islands. You don't know who this white boy is. And at this point of time, with no disrespect, we don't give a funk and we're like okay, and Luke, it's like Rai's like, yo, bro, he does Katie Perry, he does all that. He's like, Okay, cool, cool, cool, you respect my boy. It's so I'm going to still that respect my boy. Respect my boy, very disrespectful. We didn't meet it in a disrespect. We were just like like, okay, yeah, respect my boy, and we're going. We start working with Luke and we had a mutual friend called Groove from Atlanta, and Luke calls Groove and say, yeah, man, I'm working with these guys from Rock City man from they live in Atlanta, like you. He's like what he said, nigga, Oh, I know they're out of here now. He's like yeah. He's like He's like, he's like, Luke, I'm so happy you signed them. He's like, no, I'm not signing them. We're just writing songs, he said, writing songs for what, Like you know, we're working on Becky g and you know my He said, nah, bro, you need to do that artist ship. Bro. By the way, we stopped being artists for like four years, just focused on writing. Now the Artiship comes around. Luke comes, he says, hey man, we're in the studio writing songs. He said, hey man, I'm just curious, what would your music sound like if you did it with me? What do you mean? Like, you guys are artists, right, Yeah, if you made music with me, what would it sound like? Nigga? Me and my brothers like, nigga is what we've been trying to do our whole life. Yeah, we go, we go Nigga. We stopped making music. Ray comes back trying to hear Kati Perry songs. Luke plays some eight Rock City songs. Raised was, yo, man, I want to sign the guys. Man, I got a label. Man over Sony that that we want to do this. He's like, oh, Ship, Like guys like Raised, Like what I tell you, if you get hard at something, they conna come for everything. Everything. So like cool. And so we do a whole album with Luke and Circuit shout out to my boys Circi, and we dropped a hit called locked Away with Adam Levien and you know, it went number one, and you know, we went on tour with my Room five and my and my whole life. I wanted to be an artist, and then I went on tour and I was like, this is stupid. I like going and doing shows back in the Islands and performing, and I was like, man, I don't want to be famous. I'm like, bro, I just want to you know, I just want to take my son to get ice cream, you know what I'm saying. And we was already making money, it was already successful. So I was like, what am I missing in life? You know what I mean? I was like, that was my dream when I was eighteen. I was thirty four, and everybody kept telling us you're too old. What Why would y'all be doing music right now? Ya? Why is? Why would Luke sign them? That's so dumb, you know what I'm saying. We dropped blocked away and it was like, man, be writing them hits though. L A. Reid told me something when I sat in this office for the first time, because I went to play my record right and I never forgot this. He said, whatever you do when you're in this business, never count out the talent. Ever, he said, no matter what he said, listen to me if they talented, because everybody's gonna be like they're too old. Everybody's gonna be like that last album flopped. Everybody gonna be like, oh man, they had this amount of record deals, it might be different with you. If they talented, never count them out. And so you know, me and my brother Man, we really, you know, really talented, and we we put we put out an album What Dreams Are Made Of in two thousand fourteen, and then um, you know ship. After that, everything kind of went crazy, um with everything like Luke Luke got in like a whole crazy thing, um with the with the Casher situation, and Papa Radio said we're not playing no songs produced by him and me and my brother was like, and man produced every single song, and I hold out and I looked at it as a sign. I was like, this ship might not be what I was because that's a different politics. And we had to go sit the asses down again and it was like damn bro. But but I was like, hey, you know what, none of your niggers can't say I can't do it. I had a number one and I want to have a number one for myself again, I really believe I could do it tomorrow, you know what I'm saying. And so you know, now, me and my brother's like, we're trying to figure it out. My brother ain't really into song writing as much as me. He'll write songs, but I'm more political. I'm more the guy that's like, you know what, Tank is being an asshole, But I'm gonna come in here and play politics, finish the song. And my brother is like, yo, big money, Well you want to do something yo, you can't, Yo, bro, we can't. Yeah, my brother. Yeah, my brother is like, YO, what wrong? Would you make? What you train? Do? We try and make music? Are you make it funk? And he's like, and I don't want no smoke. I'm like, whoa, whoa hey, hey Timothy, Timothy nah t run mean and I funck make boy, We're gonna whoop. Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm talking to my listen. I'm talking my brother off allege. I was a day Yeah, Timothy and my nigger you know, bibbity bobbity Booth's ready and I just I just love this ship. Man. This is my basketball court. You know, in my life, I never felt like I was too good at too many things, man, But I just really felt like I was good at that. And I just started being with Luke all the time, letting him teach me, because I remember having poured up and all that and Luke saying, I mean, you're good, but you're not that good. M hmm. Biggest records in the world had smashes in my mind. He was like, I mean, and that man really taught me. That man really made me better. I really, you know, it's it's certain people in the music menus that I would say, like Luke made me better talent wise, like just hearing a hit, seeing a hit, understanding melody. Polo helped me with confidence, like you know, shout out to Polo down, I always said. I used to go hang with Polo and Polo used to tell me I was the best song writer and I would be like, I mean, I think I'm good, but the best. He said, Nigga, you the best song writer in the game right now. Nobody better than you. And he told me that every day for like two months. I would just go and every day he seen me, he said, nigga, you the best. You don't get it, and I'll be like you know, Polo talking, you know Polo, you know Polo talk like Black Elvis pressy. You don't get it home. What I'm trying to tell you the best, trying you the best, you don't get because I'm the ship. I know, I know what bro yo. And he told me that all the time. And I ain't gonna lie to y'all. With Luke teaching me structure and science of songwriting and Polo telling me you're really that nigga and my dad saying I knew you was gonna be this person. Since I knew you was gonna be this person when your mom named you t Ryan. I was like, one day I woke up and I really believed I was that nigger. Yeah you know what I'm saying. And I went and I went and I went and I went crazy, you know, but my first crazy failed. It didn't fail. That's a wrong term to use. So James Fountleroy is like, literally like one of my heroes. He I've never said this to his face, but you know, but he's like one of my heroes because he did like all of Bruno and all of Justin Kimberlake, and I was like, man, I wish I could do that like a whole project with like a superstar. That would be so cool. I thought that was amazing. I was like, I need to do that. I want to try so you know this swear to God. Super Dukees calls me and a Sunday super Duke say hey, Aran, I said, what yeah? Do I read out about my Rihanna and I was like, okay, cool, you already talked to rock Nation. No, man, I talked to nobody. I said, you talked to Rihanna? No, so how are you gonna do it? But just feel like if me on you getting the stoold joke I met the music, Shou'll gonna make a red. I said, you're serious. I said, okay, flew to Miami, started making reggae music. You know, Rock Nations flies out to London. When day Rihanna comes to the studio, we play like seven reggae songs and Rihanna said, oh man, and they made a reggae I was like, I look at Super Dupes. I said yo, I said, nigga God is with us. And then you know, and then you know, I don't know what went on or what happened, but you know what I'm saying, And so years it's going by and the album ain't coming out, and everybody's telling me, Luke ain't got no songs on the radio, he ain't hot, Rihanna ain't putting music out. It's like three years I've had a hit on the radio, like every year consistently at least one thing that's going And they're like, why are you Why are you working with Luke? Why you keep doing this? You need to be in the ruins with this person. You need to work with more people, you need to do more of this. And I'm like, I just believe in Luke man. I believe in what I'm trying to do, and I believe in what I'm doing over here. I remember I was on my way for Prais and I had the longest layover in history, and my good old friend man shout out to c C told me Toron come to the studio and she was working at some random studio bro with j R. Road Um pregnant, and we wrote a song called Level Up. Because I was in the club with U Shure and he's throwing a lot of champagne around. But I don't, I don't know, I don't I don't know. I mean, if you're getting wet by all of telling true stories because I'm telling to the club and C C. Yeah, you know, my bad, My bad, man, I'm telling you to C. I'm telling you all the true story. It's totally different once you take a glass. Yeoh, man, know it's the true story. Man. I'm in a student, I'm in a club with Usher. And so I have this theory about about music. If you want to know what tempo it is, follow the drugs. Okay, So when when the Beatles were making music, they want LSD and then they went into psychedelics, and then when cocaine came in, disco hit hard and then it takes you to make a thing go right. And then crack came in and it was boom boom ca boom boom. And then when pop came back is when ecstasy was big, and dance and all of that took over. But what happened is they starts smoking weed, drinking lean and popping Perkey's with your downers, and so the tempo slowed down like sixty two a minute, you know. So I was like, So, I was like, it was this song that I heard in the club suck it up, suck it up, suck it up, suck it up. Through that is in a circle and they was mixing it with slow songs and they was like, oh, no, it's halftime. I didn't know what that it meant. And I was like, oh, this is the tempo. This is where the future is going. He's like, oh, you think like nigger, the tempo is coming back. So I get in with Sierra and I said, Sierra, I want us to flip this song. I'm with Jerr wrote him the best flipper. He flips. He's a flipper. I'm like, yo, I got this idea, and I want to flip this song. And I gotta be fast. She's like to run to Ryno, you think it's too fast. I said, c C bit is just doing coke in the club again. I'm telling you, they're ready to dance, you know. And Siri's like, Tryan is so crazy. She thinks I'm insane, right, And I'm like yo. So I'm like, yeah, we're gonna do this thing. Level up, level up, level up, level up, you know. And so we did the song and she was signed to Warner Brothers at the time. And then I go to Paris, and you know, I'm in Paris and working on music and whatever. And Sierra comes and she's like, hey, man trying. You know, I'm leaving Wanner. They didn't get the vision. I'm like, damn man um, but you know, they let it go with all our masters. And she's like, I think I'm gonna put out this song. And she shot a video. I've never told us to Sierra, swear to God, never told us. She comes to l and she comes to me and she shows me the video and I don't like it at all. I hate it with all my heart. I'm like, oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my God. And and right now I'm ice cool. I'm ice cool. I'm like, oh my god, they're gonna say I'm whack. Everybody's gonna say. They're gonna say I'm w And Sierra is so excited. And I believe in her so much because she has this thing that she says that when she says it, I don't fight her. She says, torn God told me. Look, she said that to me about three or four times. And if Sierra tells me torn God told me, I'm like, it's the one. I don't care what I believe. If God said it to c C, it's the one that's what I believe. And she said, thron, God told me this the way to do it. And I was like, you know what, that made me feel bit sweat. I was like, Yo, that made me feel a little better. And she puts it out and it's out and I do not want to read the comments. I'm so afraid. I'm like, please be good because I need something God. I need something good right now because nothing's going good and everybody he's telling me I ain't good no more, and I'm falling off and I need to work with other people and stop. No dead serious bro. And my brother calls me, t run. Yeah, what you're saying, Timo, you do that? You see her? I signed that level up? Fuck yeah, my boy, I fuck nasty song. You like it? He said, to run that's the body's tune. Ever, my boy? You serious? He said, t run the fuck? Oh the head. I was like, ye'all can't tell me ship. My brother told me he's out of here. So we start reading the comments. I'm like, everybody likes it. I said, oh my god, this is crazy. So now while that's going on, there's a girl in that Lanta working on music and raised like, Yo, Tron, I'm at the house chilling the bed with my wife. He's like, Yo, Thron, is this girl I want you to meet for I think this girl's fire. You're gonna love her. He's like, cool. I come to the studio. He introduced me to Lizzard mm hmm, and he you know, he's like, yo, she got this song where she marrying herself. He shows me the truth Hurts video. I was like yo. And then we went in the back and we tried to write a song, the worst song I've ever written in my life. And I'm like, this black girl is never gonna work with me ever again. It is a rap. And then she calls me. She was like, yeo, man, I'm working on this album and I would like you to come out to l A and help me out. I would love to, but I really thought our bobed like if that was an audition, Nigga. I funked it up and we go out to l A and you know, we do some songs. And with that being said, now Doja Cat been signed. Dolja Cats been signed. The Luke from When Locked the Way it was our Doja Cat was round. You know, she was just younger. So so peep game doja cat puts out a song, bitch, I'm a cole And now now the North Variety is going there. Now Luke and her is getting in the studio and Luke plays me a song. I keep it juicy, juicy, you know. He plays me that song. I'm like, oh, man, this girl is fired. He's like, yeah, man, I think she you know, I think it's gonna be dope. So I'm in a studio with Yo Gotti and I write, I write this chorus for Gotti. I was like, Yo, man, you and um um, oh my god, what's what's the girl from Detroit? Please sweet cash Doll, Please don't text me and say or tweet me and say I'm a terrible person. I just couldn't remember at the top. So cash Doll, I want to Cash Doll to sing the hook. I love cash Doll. I was like, man, I wanted her to sing this chorus. Play with my pussy, but don't play with my emotions. If you spend some money, that nig got just my fucking damn right. So I wrote this hook your God. He was like, man, that ship you know that ship hard man, but I don't know if it's the project. And Luke played for Doja and Doja said, Nigga, whoever wrote this, I want to meet them? Meets me. And I did another song with Doja on the first album called That's My Ship, That's my way doing it like that? Nah real baby, So no yo, wait, so you want to do something, so Nigga. So we do that and then me and we us and Lizzo we're working and so I'm working with Lizzo, I'm working with Doja and then Lizzle comes out. She's like going crazy. Doja comes out, She's going crazy. Well, you know, Warna Warna wants to get loop in the studio with Sweetie and sweet and Luke calls me and he's like, yo, t you know, I'm gonna be working with this girl. Sweete, Man, you should come out. You should you should work with me. I like, hell fucking yeah. And they got fought with Sweetie, you know, and I was like cool, I go. You know, everybody's like I'm the Lizzle guy, you know, so I'm heating up. I'm not. I don't want to use the word hot, but I'm like, you know, they're like Okay, he might be cool. You know what I'm saying, because the Lizza working this which one I did juice for Lizzo and uh me? And what's another song what's the name of the song? Tempo with Lizzoe and Missy and then another song exactly how I Feel with lizz One Gucci Man, and a song on the album called yeah you jumped out there? You know God is good? Um so I um so, now you're gonna work with Sweetie. I go work with Sweetie, And everybody got keeps saying we don't want any samples because she had had so many sample records, and I'm like, she's from the Bay, the I'm from St. Thomas, I'm from the Bay. Everything. So what I'm saying is every song don't cross the water? That one. Everybody know that one. So I'm like, that's the biggest song from the Bay. That's the biggest song from the Bay. Why would we not use the biggest song from the Bay from a girl from the Bay. And Luke did the beat in two seconds. And then I'm writing all kind of ship and it's booty as hell. I'm like, and then we connect with my boy lunch money. I'll know, lunch Money and me and lunch Money got it to together. And then Sweetie came in and got it together because again Sweetie was like, she was telling me this is how we're talking to beauty and this is how it goes, and this is what I gotta be and data la da and I was like, Oh, this girl is fire. She knows how fucking ship. You know what I'm saying, you know, like and so tap and then but but guess what I did best friend first? So I did best Friend before. Yeah, I did best Friend before I did top tap in. But I was like, this song is gonna be fired for tektok because girls gonna be with the home girls and you know what I'm saying, and it's gonna be cool. Well, we thought best Friend was coming out next, but it didn't. Uh back to the streets, like a lot of you and that came out and their best Friend. But then we got those your own best friend free bo. He's going to his keyboard. He's going to his keyboard. Top five, Top five, what's your what's Tyron's? Top five? Top five? You're Top five, Top five R and B Artists Top five, Far fun. I'm still singing home tron, let me cook. Wow. R and b artists your favorite it's your world. He h five, m hmm, my top five favorite R and B artists of all time. Okay, I was born in eighty two, so my top five, you know, but um, you were born in eighty two. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. So coming in and number five, I ain't even gonna lie to y'all. I'm gonna have to say this because I saw him live before he passed, and I didn't want to go to this concert and my best friend made me go. And it's one of the best concerts I've ever been to my wife to this date. So I would say, like number five, it's like Lutheravan draws because I said, because I saw him like before, you know. And then um, number four, I'm gonna say, um, Mary J. Blige, Yeah, um yeah, Mary J Blige. That's a special woman. I got a chance to meet her and work with her. The song never came out, but she don't understand, like just you know, just like how excited. Um, So that's number four. Number three gotta be Stevie Wonder. I just think he's not only one of the best R and B artists, he's one of the best songwriters ever because to my understanding, he was born blind and he just writes from a place of things that I've seen, And I'm like, how does he know that? That means it's pure heart when he makes music. It's pure like feeling and true emotion, you know. Um so yeah, Luthor Mary Stevie, Yo, this man changed my life when I heard his music. And you know, I hope nobody gets mad at me for saying his name because I understand that he might not be the greatest person. But um r Kelly Brother or just musically, I mean he talked, Yeah, he taught. He taught me, you know, just music when I when I listened to his music, um and number one baby osh ramon, remon, baby, I ain't gonna lie to you. I ain't gonna lie to you. I can't watch this. I don't mind. We don't mind. Up the top pool. Did you say hallelujah as you were writing this work? Until three? I'll get you leaving with me. Don't get that money, money money, that money, money, because I know how it is You're going mamate that money money, money, money, money, money and put something the offer and play girl. I don't mind. Oh, I don't mind. Yeah, who you wrote that for? Me? Man? You know I have a great you know quick, great great story about that song because I was in the studio, me, me and Luke was in the studio UM with Katy Perry. Kay Perry's coming to work with us, and Katy Perry went to do vocal warmups and so why Katy Perry doing vocal warmups? Luke was playing this thing on his guitar and I started saying, I don't mind, and it was super lovey and romantic, and Luke was like, no, I can't do that. The beat is already pretty. We need edge. I said, what then you want me to say like I don't mind, like I'll love a strippers? Are you tripping? Bro? Like yeah, you know, out of frustration because we had I had been trying. He said, yeah, I want you to to say that. What. Yeah? And I was just fascinated with the Atlanta culture and I was like, Yo, all of this Atlanta ship they're doing this pop and I said, Yo, we need you know this. We need to take all of these things. And you know, nobody ain't really was doing that, you know, outside of them goes. Nobody had put it in a pop song, you know. And I just was like, yo, let's do it like this. And we had did it and said it to Ussher and oh yeah. I remember Katie Perry walking in and heard a song. It was like, that's an Usher song and we hadn't said who he did it for a year, does it? We was like, yeah, that's crazy. We was gonna send it to him. She was like, oh my god, I can't wait to hear him sing that. And I was like wow, and you know, so so Usher did it and I ain't gonna lie to you that that's that's That's one of my favorites that I did with him, because I did a couple with him. What did I do? We did No Limit together. We did that together. I'm really good, you know. But this, you know what, this this one thing because you keep this name. He's popped up a few times Dr Luke. Uh huh, this is my camera, right guys. Yes, Dr Luke. I don't know if you remember you still owe me five hundred dollars. Oh man, I don't want the money. I just want to be able to say you owe me five forever because you got plenty five hundred dollars got plenty plenty five hundred dollars. Oh man, you owe me five hundred five hunt in Luke five, Luke back, We're back. I mean you need to sing top five R and B songs. Dang, that's a hard one. Oh man. I think I know what my number one is for sure. Um, but top five R and B songs? Who m overjoy, I'm building my castle? Come on, man, Yeah, come on, man, y'all can't y'all can't go to the argument. You know, since he's so he made complicated things seems so simple. And that's from a mute. From a musician standpoint, like he made the most complicated movements and key changes or like scale manipulation. He made it digestible to every day people. I don't know how he did. Yeah, people, I gotta say this song, bro, I gotta say this song. It's a neo soul song, but I'm gonna put it in this because girl, I know this my seem number one. I'm out of all. That is the most player ship I've ever heard in my life. That man. If I played that song for my son, I said, listen to me. When you approach a woman, this is exactly how you talk. This is what you say. This is the sincerity that you gotta have. And and I remember driving in the car and my son just smiling like we had a moment. I was like, it was from that song. It was from that song. He gets on my nerves too. Yeah, music man, and I had the opportunity to work with him. He's one of the best master, incredible monster. Um, I'll be your group baby, because you are my sup but star, No, but one thing, give me your autograph. I hate Pool bad forever for that one because he's incredible. Hate turning the air conditioner up everywhere he goes. Listen, if you hop in the car with Pool beer, it's gonna feel like it's two degrees. And thank you for letting me know. I'm Caribbean. I can't give a cold. It's not my birthday many birthday, so no, this is real talk that that song right there. Um Oh, I've been doing my own things. Love it's always a way of having bad timing. My nigga, Bryce Wilson, dude, okay grooved and guess what I never knew I could sing. I started as a rapper and doing like dance all reggae, you know, and then it was one song that we performed live for the first time and I just knew the words. I just felt to sing it. And this, this song is the reason. This is the first time I ever felt like, Okay, I could do melody my love? Do you ever dream? Candy Code Rain Dry? Yeah, you're the same my Candy Rain Yeah. So look and by the way, to anybody who's like that, should listen. Bro. Every song that I mentioned had a very special moment in my life I can remember, and it did something that shift shift the moment for me. So I picked those five. To be honest, it's too many to mention. I feel like I'm doing this. Justice is a bunch of songs that I probably I am forgetting, but I think I'm gonna go. I'm I'm comfortable with it. Okay, Jams, let's gone through. We're gonna make a voltron. Okay, we're gonna make We're gonna make your R and b artists. Okay, Okay, we're gonna build him. Huh say he'm the vocal performance, style, styling, and passion. What artists are you grabbing the vocals from? Who's gonna sing all them great songs? You're right? We're gonna do it. I'm gonna say I'm gonna go with us, I'm gonna go with USh, I'm gonna go with usher Man. I gotta go with usher Bro. I know I have to because you can't say it's not there's nothing. He makes everything sound good, and that's the biggest problem. He'll make a bad song sound greater to be like hold on, hold on, I have to listen to it. On the twelfth song, You're incredible. He also owns it though. No, no, no, he's the best. You know, Okay, what's next? That's the voice, that voice, the voice? Performance style Chris Brown, Chris Brown, Chris Brown. I know it's Chris Brown. Guess what the next answer, Guess what it's probably Chris Brown didn't give it to them. The styling of it, Chris Brown. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. I think that motherfucker exudes cool. I think that man exudes cool. I think that man wakes Chris Brown and dye his head red, dyes hair purple. I've never Chris Brown tries things that nobody on earth could get away with, but Chris Brown. The only thing Chris Brown ain't did yet his dreads and if Chris Brown do dreads and dreads looked fight on Chris Brown. I personally want to fight him in the cage match one because because at this point, I feel like it's that you're just doing too much, my nigga, Like you gotta relax. Come all, bro, stop man, okay, who you're getting the passion from the heart of the artist, the heart and the passion, the art and the passion. Damn bro, Chris Brown. Sorry bad, Hey man, Hey man, Come on man, talk about somebody who didn't been through it all. Come on, man, at some point, we're gonna gotta stop playing with like this nigga. Yo, bro, This nigg has been incredible for years and been one of the best and been in your top five, top two, number one, number one, this number one dancer. All we're both his hands typed behind his back. Talk about I ain't never seen nothing like him. I've never seen nothing like him. Listen to my brother. I don't know if you see this, if you're gonna see this, guess what. I haven't spoke to this man. We didn't text before this. You know, my favorite R and B artist is Usher, But I don't know what it is with that dude. Bro, that dude, that dude was touched bro, problem by God for sure, Like with his eyes close, I've never seen nothing like it. Man. You know this man paints like paints like Bro, I got a painting that he gave me in my house and I'm like, he does everything. Why he acts, he sings, This nigga can backflip into a name name. Did y'all know that. I'm just I just think that's where it was going. Did you know that he is incredible? And I just feel like he's a He's a human being that deserves like all his flowers, because I really personally believe that by the time that everybody on his planet starts to give him his flowers, he may not be here to see him give it to him. And and and I want to tell him, listen my kids, Bro, that man is incredible, you know. And he said happy birthday to my son too, So it's like, you're gonna have a special place. Listen, you do something for my baby here, good dude to unbeatable. I'll help you fight. I'll see you and they'd be like, what are you doing. We're gonna have to go get Timothy. Bro. You know, bro, my brother. And guess what's so funny? If you meet us, people think I am the aggressive one and he is the calm one. And it is the listen to my brother is like, t run when I see this mine, right, I torn it, not Timothy, not not just cool cool, I'm gonna talk to him mean my brother favorite thing meaning the fuck my boy. That's how he's gonna talk to him. No, my brother. He it means like I'm not with that. So like if somebody say, you're mean enough, like y'all not trying to hear what you're telling me right now? When I see this and he's like, no, no, no, yo, bro's all look, let me just talk to him. He may not even understand. T run mean enough, boy. I'm watching you across the room coming towards me. My brother is like, I'm like, oh my god, I'm trying to tell you yo yo yo yo, I'm gonna come to you. Yeah yeah, no no, no, no no, no, you come to you. What's great? B Yeah yeah you're good. Yeah. So I got this segment of the show brother, what's it called. It's called I ain't saying on that no names, ain't no name ain't listen. Listen no names, no names, none. So you tell us a story, funnier, fucked up, are funny and okay all of the same. Damn. Okay, you know because that's the song you was listening to when your manager told your people don't need you. Yeah music, Yeah, I mean tell us that story, man, if you know you and your travels of this music business man. And the only rule you cannot say the names of the people in this story. I'm not saying anybody's name. I'm gonna tell Can I say the name of the song? Gone here? Okay? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, so you know, Okay, so right now this is tron t rod rock City, Rock City, Virgin Islands. I ain't saying on that, okay, cool. I ain't saying our names, but I will say we was, um it was in the state of Los Angeles at a studio saying no name of the studio, and um, it was a song that we wrote. And it was a song called Mrs. Glass That's the name of the song. It wasn't big or did not, you know what I'm saying. And the person that ended up having this song ain't the person that this is about. And a couple of people tried this song, so it could be anybody. But on this particular day with the studio and the artist is supposed to be coming in, and they're like, hey, the artist is gonna come in, but just to give you guys a head up, heads up, the artists would like to change a couple of things, personalize it for themselves. Oh man, we'll all We're all for that. That's good and it might even be better. Person came in um with a guitarist and uh personal assistant and a bottle of Hennessey and a bottle of wine. It was like, okay, cool, you know what I'm saying. We have we vibe. And the the person who is engineering just so happened to be the person that made the beat. And and we're like and and me, who, I say, I'm the trick fil a the music in this because I'm in the service business. I like I like to give a good service. I said, Hey, today it's about you. However you want to do it, whatever makes you comfortable. I've been told you had your reservations about singing the song. This is no this is a no pressure zone. Let's get it to a place that will make you feel comfortable. Oh man, thank you so much. That was so nice. So now time is going to buy the Hennessey is going down, and you know, and Hennessey is gone, and now there's a glass of wineport. And I was like, I don't think I saw anybody else. I didn't have none, and he didn't have none of dating him. You know what I'm saying. Mind in my business the name of my company, minding our business also, And I go and I come in and I said, okay, is taking the lines? You're like, yo, bro, when we going to record the song, I'm like, oh my bad. Oh I'm sorry. Hey, we're ready, We're ready, you know, guitarists already laid the electrical guitar part. We're ready for you to cut. And then the artists looks at me and then whispers into the person next to them's ear, and the person next to them said, the artists, so and so feels like the song doesn't personally speak to their heart. Y're all in the same room together, Oh, bro, were disclose. So I see whenever I get offended, are talking about accent, you know, because I don't. So now I'm talking very like, you know, man, I need to get funking with me. Man, Hey, look, so let's so, this is what I'm thinking. We start with the hook, see how you feel with it, and then we go from there. This this song doesn't match. So and So says, to tell you that this song doesn't match the chee you're working with me right now. It's a joke. No, you mean to tell me this Parson bro Literally we disclosed. So you mean to tell me this person right here next to you, it's telling you to tell me. No, man, you fucking with me. This gotta be a joke. We were joke. I was just talking to you. Whisper again. So and So say no, no, no, So I'm so and say fucking nothing. That's so. I'm so done. I walk out. I gone to my I gone to my people. I say, hey, I know what ain't doing right now? Wow, you lying? You're lying? Trust me. Watch this, y'all gotta come see this come back. It was already gone. So so we like they leave. Yeah, the girls said that. She said to say that she ain't feeling it. I wait, so she didn't even sit by she telling it. I went home. I was so all night and I've never worked with that person ever again in my life. Wow, true story, baby ah this music I was just talking to I was just talking to you, was talking serious. It's never the vibe is not that serious. It's never get lost in the vibe. This is what. This is how I'm supposed to act. Man, don't do that. Young artist, old artists, any artists don't do that. Why why, I don't know. It was it was very it was very what at the point at the moment, I was upset and I felt disrespected. And now it's one of my favorite stories that I like. It's one of my favorite stories that I like to tell when people come to my house, you know, especially when especially if somebody says the artist's name in my house, I'd be like, Oh, let me tell you what happened. I can't wait to tell you this story. Just gotta try that one day. Just maybe you can make it a TikTok and then if it's a prank and you tell Now, if it's a prank, you're like, we're just that's a fire prank. But bro dead serials when I mean and I'm like standing they sitting in a chair like that in the couch and I'm standing up looking down and they ain't getting up. Every time I talk and I'm not talking to her, I'm talking to this one. And when I talk to her, she will whisper in her ear and then she will talk to me, ain't talking listening moment. So he's like, that's what she's saying. Why we're just talking to you? What me for me? Somebody else? Yeah? You suck someone you know? And she pulled a shaggy on me fast. I'm sorry that It's incredible man. Yeah, so those experiences are great, and especially early in your career to be like okay, cool, Okay, this is something that happens. Okay, I'm prepared. Wow, you got you got to clear the hallway. Niggas. Oh my god, you know what I'm saying, in my eye, don't look me at my eye. People my eyes. You can't look at you can't do me, not everything for me. It's like, you can't do me, not everything. I'll person, I'll just go home. It's not that serious for me. And and you know what, like, again, my dad was incredible. I ain't never there's only one famous person that I've ever been like, WHOA to me? Jay Z Baby? That was my favorite artist. Why he's the only rapper that ever said St. Thomas and his raps what up to my Miami and St. Thomas Connects? And I was like, I told you as a little boy, I thought you didn't know he existed. I did, and I loved him because I've always felt like an outsider. I've always been the guy that been like, you know, I'm from St. Thomas and I'm kind of awkward. I really don't know how to move. I don't want to be so bro. When I'm in l a bro. I'd be in my hotel. I'd be in the movie. I go to the movies like I went to the movies the other night. I go to the studio and I go back to the hotel. Well, come with us, man, I would love to you know, yeah, I would love to, man. I would love to appreciate you pulling up. Thank you, thank you for having me. This ship was incredible time pull up. Man. You know what I'm saying, Like we don't we don't take it for granted. Man, you know what I'm saying. And we we tapped and when we see each other and it's always love. Um, but you can try to get you and your wife to move to Atlanta for a long time. No, no, no, I'm trying to not set my sights on on on South Florida. Okay with that state task still the South, I take it. You know what I'm saying. You know I'm working on her California. I just feah, I'm never leaving California. Got a Puerto Rico plug that I just you know, we'll talk about Thomas might be a place to man, we'll see you know what I'm saying. We're gonna make it do but your high level, bro, and then we give you your flowers, bro, and we celebrate you, bro. And and when you win, brother, we dance. I appreciate, we look at it. Thank what I'm saying that you're You're You're one of our elaked you So keep going, God willing baby, keep going. You write me one, and no I would I would love it. You gotta write me one, and you gotta write him one. Because we're the first a manager artists, artists artist manager. You know what we're doing, Man, ladies and gentleman. My name is Tank. I'm Jay Valentine and this is the arm by Money Podcast, The Authority and All Things R and B. And to know we have got a special man in the building. Games. Yeah, but with that real pen, with that real pan, really pimped this pen. 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