On this week's episode of R&B Money, Tank and J Valentine welcome gospel singer, songwriter and producer, Isaac Carree. He will take us back in time to the beginning of his 33 years of singing, starting out with John P. Kee, detail how Kirk Franklin impacted his life and discuss the presentation of gospel music in the music business. Listen and Enjoy!
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R and B money. Well, thank val. We are the authority on R and B, Ladies and gen My name is Tank and this is the arm By Money podcast, the authority on R and B. Let's go to the word. You know, a lot of R and B had come from the Lord, those those who have been able to be successful and have a long tenure. Uh in R and B has been because of the anointing. My God, we have a guest on today, on today, my God. Um, that is a standard. Amen. We won't say is a standard of all vocals. Oh my god. I remember watching him on VHS trying to learn how to perfect my vocal to sing like this man. I've been studying this man since I was in high school. Um, one of the most amazing singers I've ever heard in my life. Ladies and gentlemen, him Mr Isaac Curry in the building. Yeah, oh my god. Yeah, you take cash out zaiolo, all of it, all of it. The Church has blessed us this and the Church has blessed us. It's our first guys for artist. Well, let's do this. Can we start off like this? Let us pray Lord protect me today because I'm sitting between ah anointing heaven and hell and uh, thank would be the heaven now, So cover me so that I won't fall a straight not strays and bad way, but the strass and jays trying to destroy me today might get a straight bullet covering me. God, here we go, rmy money all things? Amen? Amen, Amen, it's him. Take it's him. What's the vampire movie? Even people happy? It's good and it's the rock supposed to do it too? Thank you, thank you. This is bro. You are. Yeah, you are our first gospol artist. But you mean so much to R and B. Absolutely so much. I mean, I'm just I can I'm just speaking on my life alone, like literally high school watching you skipping school age of me. No, no, I mean we were close to the same age. You just started earlier than you know, you were at a different level. True for the gospel. Absolutely, we would we would leave cut school. We would cut school, my gospel group, and we would go back to my to my guy Mike's house and we would watch New Life. We would watch them. I went further. He cut school. I quit school to do it. You did, huh? I dropped out of school my eleventh grade year to sing to it, to get to it, the Lord, don't do that. Kids, don't finish. You're part of my You're a part of my DNA makeup musically completely. Bro. So I am, I am, I am. This is the dread, This is the great evolution when the teacher then becomes a student. Because, my brother, when I tell you, maybe I deserve to this present moment, you have shifted the trajectory of the way male vocals sing. You know, it's just it's it's just, it's it's special, Bro. And you have a lot, you know, you have you you have people who love good singing and know what they continue to be good singing that you know, people who can sigg you know, and you it's a huge difference to think somebody that can sing and somebody who can sing, who can fit in both worlds because a lot of people can't come from R and B and do gospel. Most people can't come from gospel and do the R and B comes across the little corny, little cheesy little alright, go back to the Lord, go back to the quickly ext stage. Right. But that took a minute. Yeah, but you have been able to master both of them, Bro, And I appreciate that. So when I listen to you say that to me, it's like as we homies and everything. But I'm like, I'm a fan, man, bro, you're you're you're right here in the hand. It's only five fingers, you're in the hand. So you know, this of course is celebratory as me, me and my brother Jay like to do, like we we gotta give you all the flowers that I know. Every singer that we know it's staring at you right now as they watch this. So I know the beginning, but everybody else doesn't know the beginning. We'd like to start at the beginning. When did somebody say to you or somebody say to one of your family members that boy has got a voice on him. I'm turning in right now. That boy can say, he can say showing up and saying to the Lord is all over him. He's all over song. He gonna end up on the song with shots fired. Again, you pray for this and only my good brother do this to me, because wow, when beginning, when was it was? It was? My man, you got rest her? So she just passed away about three months ago now, and uh, and it was it was it was it broke me um in grief counselor even as I speak, just to get through the process. But it was my mom. My mama was a beast of a singer. Oh she could sing, bro, I'm talking about I'm talking about a little Clark's sisters, sprinkled in with a little Kimber Rail, sprinkle a little Shirley Caesar. We're from Greensboro, North Carolina, shout out to the borough. And and so my mother was a local giant, giant bro. So she made a sing First of all, I hate her singing. When I was growing up, church went cool, Church went cool. It was church boy, choir boy. And my mother was like a local celebrity. So she had her own show called Gospel Expo, which was a local version of Bobby Jones Gospel. You really grew up in it? Oh yeah. So uh what happened was she made us go on TV and singing. Oh yeah, six, I got the videos. I got the videos, me and my babies. Terrible crash. I'm talking about it's terrible, bro. And she was like, you Bett not mess up. Hold your head up, open your mouth, pronounce your words. That ain't right. Yeah, And I'm saying that tears rolling down my eyes, shut up and sing how are you shut up? And saying we're talking about that all the time. Figure out. And it was that upbringing, and I hated it. I wanted to be cool. I want to play ball. I wanted I played basketball, played football. I wanted to be cool a little girls. And it was church singing, church and sing you go to school, you can play, you can play the sports, but you're going to church, you know. And uh, it was that and I hate that. I hated. I hated. I resented it. And it's amazing when you fast forward from that moment and now the very things that I hated is the thing that supports me and my family and the people that that I undergir and that that that rock with me. So uh, it was my mama, man, and my mom knew John Pikey. My mom used to bring John before he put the P in his name, when he was just John Key. My mom used to bring John on his show because he lived in Durham, North Carolina, and he used to come up and do her show. And so he saw me growing up. So he was like Nancy, She's like, oh, no, I know, I know. You didn't see it. Oh no, I hated it. I'm talking about mad And the thing that changed my life was it wasn't John. John was the person who gave me an opportunity. Commission changed my life. That was the first group ever in my life that made gospel singing look cool. The hair, the hair, the parts us, the colors, sound, the sound reformities. They were so drippy, they was so they were they were fresh. Bro. I was like, Oh, and my mama was not only a TV host, but she was a radio announcer. So back in the day, all the gospel artists used have to come through there and in the radio announcers would get tickets to sort out everybody concert. So I'm on the front row when Commission comes to Greensburg, North Carolina, and United the Holy Church on the Highway twenty nine and I'm sitting there and again this four John Peakey was John Peeky. John used to be a keyboard player in Commission. He traveled on the road with them, Oh Bro, ask them. He played keys. So when Commission came to Greensboro, Michael Brooks is on one keyboard, John p Key is on another for him, and on the base Michael Williams on the drums. Keith Carl Mitch rais, Oh yeah, oh, bro, I did not know that. So I'm on the front row like in all, I'm like, I want to do this. And when the concert was over, I had I had access. Bro. See, it's about it's not it's not really about how good you are. It's about who you know. It's about the relationships you have in the favorite. And I was able to go backstage and I walked to the frad Hammit and we laughed about it to this day. He over really remember I walked to that man, looked him dead in his eye and said, when y'all ever started junior commission, he paid me in my head. It laughed, and that started it off for me. So as I grew in a few more years, as my gifted developed, John Carl brought me in met Lowell with John. And then this point I'm sixteen. I'm sixteen. I'm sixteen, so I dropped out my eleven grade year. How do you now? Forty nine? Okay, forty ninety six. I'm just trying to count the years. So if you were six team okay, yeah, forty nine now, so I was six saying my mother went to a church conference in Memphis, Tennessee. Church gun Christ is gonna be mention, of course, and she went and my mother made a deal with me. She said, you can sing with John because John to Charlotte at this at this time, so I would have to drive me and my homeboy. He used to have to drive Marcus Dawson shout out, he's the Bishop Jake's Oregon player back now he is. Back then he was my neighbor homeboy, and we used to drive to Charlotte, get on the bus, go do a weekend because we travel on weekends Friday, Saturday, Sunday, back home Sunday night. My mom said, as long as you get up on Monday morning to go to school, you can do it. The first time you don't get on a Monday morning to go to school, you're done. You're done. Ain't nothing to talk about. It's not no, it's it's as a non negotiable. Okay, Mama, I'm good. I'm gonna get up. I promise. So first three weeks I got up, but I was getting home at two three o'clock in the morning on Sunday nights, coming from a city, and then have to drive an hour back to Green's Girl, and then I gotta be up because I still played sports. I got tutorial and oh I want to go to school. Mama, Okay, cool, but then you don't want to say no, mom, not with him? And my mother went out of town for a church convention. And I went out of town and I went to Charlotte and I packed my stuff and I never came back. At what age where you ran away? I ran away, moved to Charlotte, dropped out of school, never went back to greens bro And I was in Charlotte for four years. Who's your staying with? Wait? Wait wait wait wait wait wait right, he is watching this and he is dying. He is dying right now because he knows exactly caught his went down. Your mama, don't come looking for you know, she calling, calling, calling, You want the cell phones back then? Right right now, that's way different times. So three years ago, yeah, so she called and calling and calling, and I think privately it was never revealed to me at that time. John called us like I got him, Nancy, I got him right, because it's also her friend also her friends. She wasn't like you just ran off, she said John, take care of my traveling circuit. John, take care of my boy. Um I got him and so I didn't know that though, So I would not call home. You're just nervous because if I talked to my mom and I hear her voice. So I called her for like I want to say, maybe a month and a half, two months, which is a long time back then, man, a long time now. So she she just passed away to I want the month to months back. I wish I could get that back. But I didn't call him, man, because I knew if I heard her voice, I was going home. And uh so when I did call her, she was like, go to school. Her bank concern was, I trust who you w you gotta go to school? Never went to school because your junior year too. And we hit that role, bro. And this was at the height of John pickI and New life. So you're talking about he had just come off the heels. It will be all right, it will be he come up that into Washington waiting with the blue and the mustard mustard and the like. Literally, I'm not making this up. I'm not lying. People would chase our tour us, bro. These kids. John is responsible for the youth movement that was introduced in the church period, not Kurt, and Kirk says that period, John started the youth revolution reward, we look like you, We sing your songs from the stream. His story. He was the first guy that was like so even though he was older and he could appeal to mam and them and grandma him, he appealed to He appealed to us, but then he had us appealed to our own our own generation. So it was massively the way he did it, the way he put it together, Bro and it him that that trio. You know, we was we were special. Bro, me little Well and John. We was special. We were special together. It was it was fresh, It was unheard of, it was uncut, nobody was doing it. It was different. Yeah, was a little older, so low. It was probably like because I think he liked three. He's like four years older man things, so he was a little older. But yeah, we was kids, man, and it wanted about the money, wanted about nothing that we were just like we want to hit that role. Bro was having fun. We was having fun. Bro. We was having fun. Bro. We was packing out. We was packing out places people. We would get the cities late sometime they wait, it was bad, bro, it was bad. I mean it was bad, bad, And so I got a chance to see up close how John um just cultivated people who weren't used to seeing gospel presented in that way because it was a little more traditional, you know, the Hawkins and Undrey crowd and the Lacostus was a little edgy because they had they had they had R and B mainstream audience. But John started a youth movement that we had never seen kids excited about church until John came on the same So what was how did you view John vocally and was that a major part of your development in terms of your vocal Because when I first time I ever saw John in concert, it was the first time I've ever seen somebody flawlessly, flawlessly seeing a show from top to bottom. Had never ever, you know, that was possible. He's the first person I ever saw do that. And of course y'all back there and then you harmonize I want to love you, and I'm like, you know, losing our minds. But was he very, very instrumental in the development of of your vocal? Uh? My singing style was completely different than his, so uh, I didn't lean into more of singing like John more so than the the the teachable moments he taught me, like, I never get to this day. I use this. I promised to God. I've been singing professionally for thirty two thirty three years now, and I do this to this day because he told me, I never forget. I was on the bus and I sang, and I think I crashed the burn. I was fresh with him, maybe my first few months with him, and I was on the bus crying. I was a kid man. I was broken, and uh, he said, we'll get him. The more he said, always think before you sing. He said, don't be a singer, be a thinking singer. He's a thinking man's game. You know where you're going before you get there, register your notes in your mind. You have to have a lot of stuff going on in your mind the same time, before anything comes out of your mouth. Go help you with your pitch. Go happy with your tone. Your tonalities gonna help you with everything. Think And that thing stuck with me to this day. Bro, if I'm getting a song, you know, sometimes you start a song and that the first note sets the tone. So I'm like, I'm telling I'm my little secrets, which ain't a big deal, but I'll be like, you don't make it sure, get there, get there first before because I've already I've processed it, and that I'm on it. And then I think, so it's like I wasn't Jordan's. Jordan was the type of athlete that Jordan would create while he's been here. Now, I knew what I was gonna do before I got a Yeah. So if I'm a I'm a straighten this out, Okay, I'm gonna do that. I already know where I'm going. It lives. It helped me. It helped me eliminate a lot of crashes, a lot of accidents, a lot of vocal We watched a lot of guys crash, Yeah, because they just go for what they know. Now you have, you have anomalies. The greatest anomaly of our day right now doing that. It's a Cardi quartet. He's the Michael Jordan's vocals. It's amazing. He's the Michael Jordan's of male vocals here in any job, anything that he opens his mouth to do, he just now some more. You got Darren Walls from the Walls Group. You got Jane Moore we just finished talking about. But it's weird because all three of them from Houston, Texas. It's something over there. It's something the water, and he's all from Houston. But you have people like them. I'm not them. I think before I sing and I calculate. So John taught me that, and he really honed the gift. He taught me the difference between singing live and singing in the studio, because it's different. Scared the crap out of me the first time I put my headphones on head to hear myself back, like, yo, this is he taught me. So those are things I got from John Loe. Well, I think Lean Moore on how John saying, you know, that's what he got. The heaviness, the heaviness the ground. My boys couldn't handle that. I could have handled that. Yeah, you gre into it though I did. Uh. You know, it's like it's like George stuff going to the whole kovid stop shooting three. Your body can't like you when my range started decreasing, because you know, I still know people like what you're saying. Hi, I don't know I can hit a high. No, I ain't staying there now much. I used to live there. You absolutely, I used to stay there and then but now it's now he just did get out of there. I'm like, he didn't get out of there. I ain't staying there. People like card do on them jumpers, they live there. Why are we doing? Everybody gaspel singers just pulling harllywater? OK, so can make something? First of all, Jay Light's getting pretty skin and pretty here, got all his muscles on display. Can I say that? I mean, can I have a gift? Y'all got everything? Can I have one? I just can't the church saying made yeah. So that was for me man, and it cultivated my gift. And then what helped me was I listened to you Donnie Hathaway's just Stevie one does now in my mama's house, though I could listen to nothing that no secular music house at all. What never? No, you don't think she ever listened I never. No, no, no, no, no, not not. You gotta stand She heard it, but it didn't play in my house. One of her favorite singers was Charlie Wilson. Oh my god, you know, but she didn't make that. No, but she never played in the house. She would hear that a radio station before she do her show, because it was it was multiple But yeah, no, no gospel music, no, none of that. I mean no, no R and B, no hip hop, no rap for sure, nothing nothing but gospel music in my house period. It's all I grow up. So I had to sneak. I had to sneak and listen. And that's when I listened to your Donnie had the Ways and your Stevie Wonders and and all these cats growing up, and I was like, oh, it's levels of this thing. It's levels of this thing, you know, because I had I had the Darryl Coley's. Yeah, I had the John V. Keys, I had the Marvin Winensimberly McFarland. Come on, bro, yeah, come on bro sing with the Milton Bronson, the topic community. You know, you had, You had that your Kurvey Browns, who's the same as he was. He was high, he was. Yeah, So you had I'm about to start naming Pempson's that's your reference point. That's what I'm about to start naming. Yeah, yeah, don the bit shop Wan, that's the piece of Kenny Red. So I had that, But bro, when I started hearing see gospel music, goals for well, this is how we we all gassed no break. Yeah, yeah, I never get j J bless me. He'd even know. He helped me tremendously. He definitely said something crazy because you're crazy, but I had to cut through the wrongness of it, and it shifted the trajectory of how I process music and how approach music now. Jay said to me, I think it was twenty nineteen. I was playing some music for him that I had coming out, and j was like, we're gonna talk about it. You can saying that, you can say, but you gotta pull back. That's what you mean, he said, Bro, people can't comprehend all that. They can't comprehend all that. You have to balance that out. Hit him, hit it when it's needed, but don't leave there, bro, he said, you gotta balance that out. And it helped me approach You know, I'm a runner, bro. I was known for doing runs, doing my riffs, you know, and uh. And when Jay said that, I was like, yo, as a singer doing this thirty years at the time, I'm still learning and you gotta have a teachable spirit. So when he said it, it was like he don't even realized that it changed everything for me. I had a girl did it to me word I was. I was on the phone playing her song that I wrote, Okay with my keeping, had my key on my track playing and I really liked her. I'm just, you know, verse hooking in the hook. I'm just I'm just going forward through the whole song. I'm just giving you everything I have. You know what I'm saying. I had John Rollo decks, Kim Rollo, deck your roller up. I'm dialing all of the rolls. Her little brother in back, like who is the ghost you on the look? I'm finished singing a song and I'm so proud of my song, and I'm singing to the girl like what you think? She's like, She's like, you can sing, but you just you do too many runs. I don't even know. I don't even know what you're saying, Like oh, she said that, And I was like, you remember that noise on on on on a on a social media, But I do too many runs. Spirit runs are everything runs I can do every run I can. I'm running for my life, literally trying to do I'm running for my life. She said, you do too many runs. You do to me and listen when she said it, she said it, I was I was hurt. I was in my feelings because you know, in the d M v D, I'm the guy absolutely in my group with the guys and it's because we've run so crazy. When she said that, it broke me down, so crazy that I was like, I was like, I was like, do I do too many runs? Okay? Talk to yourself at this one. And it made me dive into Fred Hammond. Yeah man, yeah man. And for a year I didn't do no runs. I said, what would Fred do? What I did? For a year? And that's why you have the balance. See, I think the greatest misconception that anybody can have is just because I don't do it doesn't mean I can't can't even for singers that believe because they don't do it that somehow it doesn't come across that they can sing yes, and see, I have to blame one of my mentors for that. Kimberrella is responsible for She's the greatest in my opinion, this is Meer. Definitely. She's definitely my Mount Mount Rushmore. She's one of the greatest voices of all times. Easy money, but Kim. When Kim presented that to the world. Everybody wanted to do it. That was the measuring stick whether you can sing or not. It wasn't toned, it wasn't pitched, wasn't placement, it was none of those things. It was Kim Bareilly and it it's not her fault, Kimi, but I think she was. Kim was Kim was. Kim is the first of her kind. Yeah she is. She is the blueprint in the foundation what she is like you know the she used like she just used some different patterns that we had never heard go together before. And I was like, what what is that like? Uh wash me, uh no, no, no, um no. Her song with Trinity Temple for yes when Kirk was right yes, And when she's saying that, I was like, what, Yeah, you had never heard those patterns never go together. It was a cadence bro It was so it was it was so different to singers. It was mesmerizing and had to learn had we had to learn that. I'll ventured to say that for me, there's only two gospel artists that I've ever not just learned their songs or their verses or their hooks, but I learned their at lips. I learned everything that was commissioned because that's the group that's responsible for me. I wanted to do music, and Kim Barell I knew every ad live. Now, I wasn't dumb enough to try it on my own because I'm not doing that. But I can sing along to this day with any song, any song that Kim did, any album at live, riffs, runs and things that people the average person don't here, I hear it and it's like and it helped, but it helped, it helped moreph something even into in me. But I'm wise enough to understand that everybody don't look good in everything, and everybody can't do everything. So you have to know you have to find like it's nothing wrong with being a copycast as long as you copy in the right cat right. But at the at the end of the day, I never one of the greatest compliments I've ever had was you have a unique voice. I don't hear anybody that sounds like you. It's because I'm intentional about I want the world to know who Isaac is. I don't want to be compared to he sounthing like and I'm not knocking anybody who gets that, but for me, it was a it was a unique thing, and so it morphed and and it led every decision I made vocally and even how I move now. It's like that, But Kim was it was there's something about knowing when someone comes in, when they when when they come in on the song, and it grew ooping anything like, there's just some it's just something to that and that individuality of being able to carve out a space of no, that's such and such as soon as that first notice hit, Yes, something special with that. I've always been winning. I've been willing to win and lose with that. Okay, I want my voice to be my voice. I don't want Yes, there are there pieces of my voice that I feel like sound like someone else's. I have little things, but I sound like me. Got a bad bad Yeah, And I think a lot of people can't. No, no, they don't hide under someone else's voice. But that's culture. That's not just in singing, that's in fashion. That's how we do a lot of things. It's like we are a carbon copy of of what we want to be, versus leaning into who you are? Are you little Chris Brown's gotta relax? Yeah, Chris Brown is Chris Brown. Period. But I don't want to hear you outing like it's not gonna it's not gonna work. Get your own voice. It's like, I love the uniqueness of people because that's that's a compliment that it says to me. I believe in me even if you don't. And I'm I'm bold enough to take this path because I'm gonna make you know me one day. And people that work hard at that they cut through. It's like I'm gonna sleep on that songe. But he got some over here, you know. And you've got to know how to grab all of the information. With all of that information, that is how you ultimately build yourself, grabbing those pieces from all of those different moments and knowing again what you said, which is so perfect, what fits you. Yes, every every vocal technicality doesn't work for your voice, It doesn't work for you. My question to you is you've listened to so many people. You named them the gospel artists, all that, the mainstream artists, but yet and steel Bro I hear tank, I never hear you and be like, that's a DERI Coley ran, Oh, that's like something I would do. I've never ever from the first song to this present album that I have, and I listened to all Tanks records. I want all the church people to know that, Uh, in January I would have been married twenty years. I will be married twenty years and I never never ever had a had a prayer meeting with my wife off of a gospel song. Come and talk about it. So Tank has been very instrumental in the ministry, and you're keeping me married. But what is that, bro Um, it's our podcast. We suppose we interview him. But if y'all passing the flowers, all y'all got all y'all getting flowers, This is just a flower pot. It's what it's what I just said. It's all the pieces of John Um, darryl Isaac Lowell, Eric Dawkins, Um, Kimberrell, of course I named one. Kimberly, McFarland's very sneaky Um, Fred Hammond, my quiet favorite, my quiet two favorite pieces of my vocal h Mitchell Jones stokely. Yes, lord, Um, it's grabbing. It's all of those. It's grabbing a piece from all of those people, whether it be a texture um, whether it be a cadence um, whether it be a rhythm, all of just one little thing from all of them to build me. And so and if you, if you, if you really listen to everything, you'll hear all of those people. So you can't, you can't. You can't. You can't narrow me down into one person, because within within one run, I'm gonna do four different people. That's clever, bro, Yeah, that's clever. I'm saying I kind of got the same path. I kind of got the same path, bro, honestly, because when I think about it, I'm not gonna be arrogant at like I came over with this on my own. You know, I'm standing on the shoulders of so many great singers, both gospel and mainstream. And it's like, Bro, it's like building a vocal. It's like builder bear, like building a vocal. It's like, I gotta I got the arm of Dottie Hathaway, I got the leg of of of Stevie. Don't worry about that. We're gonna get to We're gonna get So it's like for me, it's like it's so cleverly done. But I'm gonna tell you that, I'm gonna tell the dopeness of that. That methodology, it's how you do all of that and still find a way for you to cut through. That's the genius in there, yourself. You don't lose yourself. It's like, I take this, this, this, this, this, but God still gave me a gift with which leads me to this. And I have to say this. I came for two reasons. I came to share with you guys. But I gotta say something to you. I gotta say something to you. First thing that you man of God. Man, you gotta given of God your next. But you know your next, because we'll see see what your that's up. Man, Your yours, come yours, come yours. Have a special noting on it, difficult, all hating on it. I like it, trank, God gave you an amazing gift. I think it's lightweight, selfish and um kind of bold for you to take it away from us. Mhm. I don't think it's fair. I understand evolution, but I don't think you have to stop a thing to start something fresh. Bro, I need to recant this whole retirement thing. You don't understand. Music is at an all time decline, is changing, and we can't afford to lose greatness. So you need to talk to your wife, talk to Ja, and y'all figure out how how can I still do this on my own terms when I can around the time that I can other things I'm trying to evolve and get into and do. But Bro, that's God's gift. You can't cut God's gift off. You can't cut. You can't say God gave me this and I'm going now cut now. You can't do that. Now, you can't do that. So you'all talk about that later. Now, you men God, Now you man of God. J I, I appreciate you. J Is. Jay is a silent person that has kept me literally moving in a pack that's were moving away from a pack that's traditionally going in one direction in terms of what I do on my side of music gospel. Uh. Jay is a person I called for ideas, concepts. I bounced things off of him, And Bro, you don't understand, like how much insight you've given me, Like if I could afford you, I'll probably hid just my manager. But the way my bank account set up is don't work like that. And then you know you did the shirt? Yeah, No, silk and leather very together. It's like sleather, you know. But Jay is Bro, Jay has not only uh giving me insight on the music side, but the entrepreneurs side. Bro. You opened my eyes and open my mind, and I believe that. To me, I'm always a student. Bro. I never get to a place where I can't learn from somebody. And it's it's invaluable money. I would I couldn't have enough money to pay you for the things that you've given me. And I've literally walked these things out and I'm reaping the benefits of just come. Me and j don't talk a lot, but we talked, were talking. We talk, you're talking. We're gonna talk about three four months. But when we talked, he dropping knowledge, he dropping jams, he dropping bombs, and I'm like, bro, and I just wanted to, like openly just say, Bro, I thank you. Man. No, don't say no, man, just say okay, let's say you. I wantna say how I ever saying, Brother, Jay, you ain't too light ski to get slapped by. Just say thank you. Everybody wants to keep it on them. I want to keep I want to keep no. I want to see getting mad keeping on them. Just you welcome, man, No, no, seriously, no all jokes aside um for the people that I truly care about, which you are one of them. Bro, I'll give whatever knowledge that I possibly have or whatever ideas that I possibly have. And you know, I I appreciate the fact that my career is going in in a very I'll get the odds. The best way that I can put my career path is, you know, it's it's it's not straight lined at all. And I've been able to be helpful to people who were already established and that's tough. That's even tough for for me to even at times when I'm realizing, like I'm being very honest with someone who's already accomplish something that's good. And that's a hard place to be in at times because you're just like, are they really gonna listen to me? And these are my friends, but I can't be anybody but myself, and I have to and I you know, these are all things that I go through my mind where I'm like, no, I probably should sugarcoat right now, but it's not in me one. And I don't think that they called me for that. I think they called me or asked me for what my opinion. Truly, you're never gonna get a water down version from Jay. No, it's gonna be what it's gonna be, and and and and you appreciate it. Bro, It's like it's it's invaluable. Bro. Like I just think people. I say this all the time. Everybody wants to shine, but nobody wants to buff man. Man, everybody want to shine. Everybody want to be lights, camera action. But the buffing is the work, Bro. It's the work you got to put him to get that shine on that shoe. And so it's like, Bro, it's it's that buffing thing that produces the shine it produces. You know, I'll see jail TV front row courtside, foot on the wood and I'm you know, I'm a dumb nick I'm gonna call him yeah the game, Yeah, but but I do that. But I think the thing that blesses me is he answers. But sure he answers, bro, And if you don't answer, he's gonna call me back that it's the small things type don't answer. That is not true, take no answer. My pastor says it like this phone. He said, we're not gonna sanitize this thing to make it look good for TV. Now we're gonna call it a spade. This, Tak, don't. And now when you see tight he go, be consistent. Yes, he goes, he goes. So you love he never Hollywood. I don't care who around. He is the most genuine. But that phone, he ain't gonna answer. Yeah, that is not true. Now you got your mama's It's not true. Not true. The only time I don't answer my phone is if my wife don't let me. But that's it. I call you when you're not with Jana Zena. Sorry, I'll think about Martin. Please editor, please edit it. I call you when you went with Zena. Bro, It's not true. Zena was not in Atlanta when you had your show and I called you and you didn't answer. That's not true, Tak. You know the Bible says that all liars, he say something he saying for your says all liars, man. But what I believe to be the truth, I subscribe to. Man. There's your side of the story, there's my side of the story, and we will meet somewhere in the middle. Well, the Bible, I'm talking about the Bible. Yeah, it's not it's a non negotiable version. Who this is King James version. They want to play for the Lakers. This is this is not true and money. Anyway, back to you, you UM talk about your transition from you know, from you you're with John. You guys are beyond successful um and deciding, hey, maybe there should maybe there should be a group. Maybe maybe Lowell, maybe we should put something together and venture out on our own and have our own success. What is the thought process going. Yeah, that was a hard trans issue, man, because you know, I believe that sometimes you can stay in the nest too long and then sometimes you can leave too soon. For sure, it's a curse of both of them. So it's all about time. You all about time and right about right. So when we when we did it, it was scary. Uh. John had taught us enough, we knew enough, we saw enough to feel like we can try a hand at this. So the concept behind our group was and we talked about all the time. Lowell was a huge Winding fans, which which I am too. But he was a huge Winding fans. He preferred the Windings over commission. I was a huge commission fan. I preferred Commissioner. We should have an intervention on that, but that's political. We should have an intervention with him on that, but just's we'll get to him. But the thing was, we were like, how can we make this the best of both worlds. Let's be a group that can do what the Windings do because also watch this, the Wine is couldn't do what Commission could do, and Commission couldn't do what they did. They were in the same city, paving and trailing the same road. They were literally into different lanes. For sure. The Wine is one more churchy Marvin all Gas, no break, he coming for you. Commission was harmony, mess and swaggy and what nineties R and B will becomes what listen all y'all that love nineties R and B talk about it. Come on, go back and listen to Commission. You will get everything that you've been looking for. I'm telling you so the harmonies and acapellas that the chancel. So I was like, yo, let's merge the two worlds. No group has ever been the best version of both of them. So that was our concept. I think when Ministana came out of nine ninety six, we didn't realize that we were two years two male groups kind of phasing out m HM even in gospel, because most male groups were traditional. Okay, uh, because commission when we started, commission was kind of fraided, already left. I was leaving, uh, and the wines were kind of, you know, chilling a little bit. So we were trying to feel this void. And music was evolved and Kirk was on the scene. So you had you had somebody who was the biggest gospel artist and you couldn't dance. We couldn't dance, and he couldn't say, Man, Kirk, you know I love you. You know what it is a great expressionist. He expresses his thought. Well, that's one of my closest friends. He is my mentor gig. He is every new dance that comes. I was mad at Kirk when he first came out, what because I had tried to do that very thing he was doing three years that you couldn't dance. I could dance. He could dance like Kirk can't dance either, Kirk. I'm not rolling with you on that. Kirk cannot That is what Kirk. I said to Kirk's face, k you can't dance. You be moving, he buffed. Now, you don't want to smoke. You're not gonna talk about a grown man that can literally see on the sofa swinging flakes. Man, I don't know even know what that means. You're not gonna do. He was trying to let you get out of there. We'll say he is not a Marion. Marion, he cannot He's Kirk. Kirk is not doing choreography, Kirk and groove. He can groove. Damn all right, So listen, So anyway, but before that, before that thought, no, no, no, no, no, not y'all, Tank and you because you you're going to I'm going to say from outside of the church. Kurt Franklin made us pay attention. He made us pay attention, like flat out when Stump get out. They played at the club, they didn't have played the club and played it everywhere, you know what I mean. Before The reason why we're saying, but Stump was no but I'm saying I know that, but I'm talking about that really grabbed the whole of every every everybody, everybody. It just we didn't even listen to it as a gospel record. Ntil you really listen, it's like, okay, yeah, but groove was so it was it was it was like it was just it was just something different and it was something refreshing. Yeah, it was a gospel music workshop somewhere, and and hes A Kaya had just went on and Kirk was following him. And at this time I was still a little bit in my failing because I was like, I was the first question to try to merge r and be in hip hop and gospel. And it didn't work, and didn't work. The lights went out, the church was too old. Uh. And and so has A Kaya is going crazy, hit hit factory bro going crazy. And you know, in my mind, I'm like, what is Kirk getting ready to do after this, you know, because I'm still still feeling my way about it. And Kirk doesn't sing. He said, you guys, y'all have heard enough singing. Now that you're now that your hearts and minds are ready to receive, let me tell you something. And he went there. Someone asked the question. He didn't sing, He menaced, he talk, He ministered for thirty minutes and killed them killed me. Yeah. I went from you know, having my own feelings about my own disappointments to receiving a real message heart. He listened, He got to hate out my heart, out my heart. I was like, what time, Yes, he's amazing. He changed your life, But all jokes aside. Bro, he changed mine. He changed my life. I can honestly say the man I am the day is because of Kurf Frankl, the husband, the man I am, the openness, the business that I learned. This man has literally changed my life, bro, because he was the first artist that cared more about me then he cared about my gift m. He would literally call it like, Yo, you're good. How are your family? How you doing? Like no, no, not singing, not music? How you doing what? I'm sorry? No, no, no, and and and and dubbed he duged. It's like, oh and years of that. Bro. It's just like he're good dude. Bro, He're good dude. They come no better, they come no better. I'm blessed to be able to pick up the phone and call him, and he answered the phone and we're talking. We chop it up, we laugh. We have such a balanced relationship. Bro. So I know that feeling like looking at somebody and he even says, Bros. He pulled me one time. Bro. He said, Isaac, look what God has done with a nigger that don't even sing? He said, broke. This blows in an industry where it was birth all singing. It was birthall singing, Bro. And so that's when you know the power of what God can do through somebody's gift. When you call and you're chosen, Bro, it doesn't have to line up with the way that people feel like it has a line up it. See. One thing I learned about people a long time ago is people don't want you to do what you want to do. They really don't want you to even walk the path that God has for you. They want you to do what they want you the box, their box. As soon as you don't oh yeah, ain't, ain't ready and they no, No, this is the road that I'm on. And when you believe in it. I remember pastors cutting the mic off on Kirk and the family. Bro weren't having on that dancing and gy writting. Our church cut the mics off, kicking them out of churches, I promise to God, Bro, kicking them out of churches, turned the mic off, embarrassing him, and he kept going. So when that man get on stage, and oh, Bro, Bro never forgets. He's never comfortable. He never, Bro. I've seen it up close and personal. He don't play about his gift because he's like Yo, God want me, but he don't need me. M you could use anybody. So I think when you take it for granted, Bro, that's when it's sounded like zapped from you or that grace is that from you? Or or that favor? Like, Bro, what you're doing, what y'all doing in the industry, that's transitioning from album sales and how the albums you sell, what's your first yourself to streaming and Bro, it's unprecedented and people wondering why why they ain't doing this and why are they doing this? It's favorite, Bro, It's like y'all have tapped into something that y'all believe in. You found your niche and it's working. So all that stuff, it are the things that I try to remember, bro, because I just realized, man, that I may never get to the pinnacle of what people consider success, But success for me is fulfillment, man, and walking to my purpose. You know. It's like, Yo, you look at success as a grant me and those things are amazing. Those things are great, those accolades are incredible level. But at the end of the day, Bro, I know a lot of people who got grammars that are unfulfilled that I'm not happy. And money and money and money. Yeah. My pastor said this, Bro. He said, money is not even the top five things changed my life. Bro. He was like, if I told you I'll give you a million dollars today, but you gotta die tomorrow, would you take the million? No? If I told you ILL give you a million dollars a day and your mama, what's gonna pass? What you think? You know? That means that means relationships to me. More. If I tell you give a million dollars you have to be sick for the rest of your life and you couldn't enjoy it. That means health. It's so many things that's more important than money. It's it's it's good to have. We know that, we know the importance of it. But it's prioritizing it's purpose, and it's walking and being fulfilled, living up a life where it's like, yo, I do this, bro, and I did this, and and I can I can take a moment pat myself on the back and said, we did we did this. Now let's keep going. Let's let's don't live there, let's just keep going. So those are the lessons I've learned, man, and I am a byproduct of all of those people that poured not just musical tips into my life, but wisdom and uh. And I I think I've been called to sing, but also to be a bridge, uh, to help people get from this place to that place. So that's that I think that's what my purpose is. Bro So menistanding around me, Oh Lord, I have permission meets to win that put the group together. And now, is this the first time you're in the business of gospel music or were you in the business of God for music when you were with John P. Kira? Was he just protecting y'all? Y'all with him me taking care of straight he did that. This was the first time. This is the first time you're experience, So you're experience in the business. How is the gospel music business? If you can be as candid? I mean, I know you're gonna be a candid because you Isaac, and just where it stops you. That's a good question. How is the gospel? How is the gospel of music? Because I don't know anything about the gospel of music business. Like I had remember having a conversation with my brother who was going from doing secular music to sacred which I've learned in the last ye, I didn't know that term. I didn't know secular learning with the Bible study. Come on, man, a brother can read definitely that I can do. Right. So, but I remember having a conversation with my brother and him being like, Jay, you know, I need you to help me with something, and I was like, bye, bye, it's nowhere in the world. I don't. I just those are two different businesses. Now, I may know somebody in R and B that may be connected to something in Gospel, but those you you're gonna have to go fully learn that world that I have no idea, and I have no I have no stake in that world, you know what I mean, Like, I don't know what to tell you. So to answer that question, a contract is a contract, of course, So the same Gospel contracts that that that that labels present, it's probably the same contracts that y'all get, just the money is significantly different. It's like night and Day tanks tanks. Tanks budget when they were budgets and with labels was considerably like night and day, like one end of the world to the other end. So they pretty much telling you all this is for the Lord. No not. I know that's what they was telling Tank when he was playing not not not not. The is this gospel. So when you talk about labels, they still function as a label, still give you contracts. They still give you terrible contracts. That how can you give someone a terrible contract in gospel? Because this because the people who own the companies are not Christians or they're just successful, rich people that inherited this business. That higher people to say we're gonna do an inspirational uh uh label. There isn't necessarily conscience, no no, no, So you might you might look up and get a believer or Christian that is your label exact, that understands the nuances of what it takes to do this. They move it a little more compassion. But the contract comes from coming from a rich business owner who's been owning the company for years. And that's like it's about money for me. I don't care about all that. So these labels are such and such gospel, such and such gospel instead of it just being a gospel label. Period ran by Gospel. The only gospel label that I knew that started from where it was what the owner was Gospel, The owner was Gospel. All the way down to everybody who worked was gospel centered. That's the labor of Kurt Frank, Vicky Matt that she owned it so she was a believer. Uh. But you know when money happens and things happen and other people get their hands in it. Uh, it can change the trajectory of how you see it. So we can still get sticky. So I don't want to I don't This is the thing I don't want to do. I don't want to act like because where gospel that we don't have real life issues and we don't do unethical things because we do because with people. I think what killed what messages that up with people's minds is the way we present ourselves. We present ourselves as self righteous. We're better than you are. You going to hell if you do this? Oh looks at what Look what he's saying about. He don't know Jesus, he going to hell. But then when you find out you've been cheat on your wife, you're you've been stealing from the offering plate, but you're talking about how you're talking about him, that's when it gets sticky. And that's when you start hearing people say stuff like on foods church I don't know, man, that turch stuff. I'm good. I'm good right here. That's what it is. You have. You know, everybody ain't bad. You have bad people that do bad things, even in the name of the Lord. So yeah, So it's not a gospel thing. It's not like, how can a gospel label. It's like it's still business at the end of the day. I say it like this. The gospel is free, the ministry costs. You want to just sing for the Lord. Go to anybody's church. You go to any church or any corner and sing for the Lord. But if there's an investment. But if there's an investment, you have to understand that there is a return on the investment that they made in you. There's a there's attorneys, there should be negotiations, and a lot of times in our case, men the standard we didn't know. So we signed a contract and we was happy. Yeah, and we got got we got got bad, and we got attorney to get out the deal. We had to seal and it went through the whole thing. It was bad, man. But it's like if this is my whole thing, Okay, I'm dumb. I signed a contract. I didn't read it. I didn't understand the nuances of the business. That's on me. But if I'm honoring my bad contract, you ain't being go rape me on top of the fact that you already got me and then you gotta go double down on it. It's like if you if I'm rocket out, Yeah, it's like, oh, we're already getting them, but because they're done, we're gonna get them again. No, no, you're gonna do that. That's what we gotta go. That's what we gotta go to court. And we did that, and you know, we wanted we gotta deal a lot of good stuff or whatever. But so it's bad people that do bad things, even in the church. But it's not I don't think it's a church issue or a gospel issue. It's just it's a business man and it is there. I'm sorry, Uh, is there like there's a full because obviously when you're when you're breaking a gospel artist, when you're being broken as a gospel artist, is there a path for that as well as they're like certain churches around the country that y'all go to, that's just like okay, if we if we get it cracking at Yeah, it used to be new fat bait Baptist. Yeah, you say new fat bait, new faith Baptist. You're trying to say new birth. I wasn't. He was making up a church. At least give me you have a reference point church. I don't have any. You don't have any idea? Is that the books Bishop TV jas Yeah, oh my God is out of culture. We got the Christians Center, okay there, but nope, but even even there wasn't no one was coming. Men of standard wasn't coming to San Francisco to do the Christian Center. I don't ever remember hearing Commission coming to the Christian Center, or you know what I mean, Like I just yeah, there was a time where there were churches that were very very very very very very very very beneficial that if I did their church on a Sunday morning and I rocked out and I rocked out here this I can go to the lobby and sell my CDs and then you got and then you got your you got your you got your sound scaned sheets. Yeah that if you got it's churches in Atlanta, Bro, they've got ten thousand cedars sanctuaries. That was packing them out and doing three services a Sunday's people. So if you sell a portion, yeah, your first week sales, that's arena. That's the arena, your first week, and you're gonna do every service. They're going to book you for every service. Yeah okay. And then what's this? If I'm from my album, you ain't gonna pay me? Let me say must ds because it's a promotional day for me. Yeah, somebody m c d S label, get that cut. I get a cut from c D And I gave the church of free performance. Gave church free performance, and it was very beneficial until the churches started saying, oh we want to oh yeah yeah, yeah, y'all have to set up to a bookstore. And we got to because they want a piece. So start a champ. The business kicks in, business kicks. Yeah. I make up that new church, new faith, never heart, a new faith. But I'm sure. I'm sure it's a new faith. You feel me? Church? No, No, it's not okay whatever, I'm out. I'm out. This is the only episode in this man want to and you still not it is a new faith. I'm jay balance somewhere, boy, Um, I can put that on those signs that will be outside when you drive by at the hurt. Now, I can't put that on there be go be women and ain't gonna be good for you? Why not because temptation? Because women bring me in and now we have a congregation. He backed the pimp and you don't hear it? God, you don't you see what I'm looking at you. Yeah, it's gonna get back to pimp. It's gonna get back to pith, always gonna get back to pimping. I think my my early experience in the church kind of made me feel like, like just what you said, here we go. This is what I want to hear there. I want to hear this bro there. I mean, we're not gonna go into details, no, no, no, but I need I need just give me a a brief synopsis without going deep. I want to know what what it was there it is. I don't want to say word, but this intervention job. Kurt hurt you? Who hurt you? Kirk hurts you? Mad kirk k no. Um. My home church, my home church had a problem paying me so that I could live to do, you know, to do three choirs and services and you know not now to services. They had a hard time seeing why it was necessary to pay me more than fifty dollars or seventy the same day. But that was at the start of that. Um. Then there was Um, the guy who became a mentor, who, um, can me make an entire album? Help me help him make an entire album, and took all the publishing and production credit even even mind UM. And then and then we walked outside of church one day and he's beating his wife. UM. And then UM, you know, you know, I'm in a group and I'm like, guys, I have a vision. God is telling me, like, after I go to an immature concert, we can't follow three kids, even with the message that we have that it's more important because we're not showing out for God. M we're just standing behind these microphones and doing just enough to get by. These kids showing out. That's why they can feel this arena with thousands and thousands of people. We can't get a hundre of people in the church. And this is for God. God don't deserve lights, he don't deserve dancers, He don't deserve like we should be given our all. And we did a performance and it and it didn't work. More telling that the church couldn't handle the power light, shut down tracks, shut down everything, beginner show. We finished the show, I played the piano, finished the show, and it came back to me and said, that wasn't God, that was you. You just wanted to be saved God in in all this mess. M hm. They walked away from me and I was like, can we pause right there? As a preacher, which say, let's put a court in the medium park right there. I'm gonna look into this is my camera, my camera. Let's look into the camera. Da. I'm gonnaok into my camera. I'm gonna say this, where are you now? I want to know the we those young men are. You're watching R and B money. See, this is my issue. We have gifts and talents that we run away because of religiosity, beliefs that don't line up. But how God actually sees us. The Bible says every good and perfect gift comes from him. M hm. He's creative all things. So if he created you, it's in his image and it's in his likeness. I hate the fact that so many stories in like yours, Yeah you are, because a lot of them in bro, Yes you are a gift that was birthed in the church. And because you were mishandled and and and rebuked, the is the proper terminology. It broke you. Here's what's crazy, though, Prophet Tidd Hall, who are you call the names of R and B moneys? Who who I would then um open up for when he come to I did not know that. Yeah, that's crazy. That's my guy. And he he was the person who told me it won't be in here. Sound like him, it's gonna be out there, sit that in front of the entire congregation. You will not. God is sending you out there to do something different. And that was the first time I had he at that and even understand I didn't even understand what that meant because at that time I was like, man, if I can't say, Jesus, I ain't doing it. Wow. And that started my journey into R and B music. That's amazing, bro, Yeah, that's amazing. And I'm willing to I'm willing to go out on a lamb to say some of these bites, especially from me, will be clipped and reposted on some church blocks with some headlines. Isaac Koree went over there to R and B money with Tanking, Jay Valentine and compromising and talking about the church and trying to make the church look bad. Why can't you just stay down. I'm gonna get all of it and I'm here for it, Okay'ally it is because the truth is the truth, no matter when you're in the right right, I'm coming right. I feel like, um, we have done that to so many people. Were responsible, Bro for telling people. There was an artist that told Beyonce she was going to hell absolutely to her face. Absolutely, that's wow, You're going to help absolutely. Oh. The list goes on and on and on, Bro. And what happens is these people are broken now they have, you know, their scriptures that they're going to lean on. I'm just not a proponent to believe that. Uh. I see. I feel like church has created this country club. M. If you don't do it like I do it, if you don't do it this way, if you don't say it this way that, if it doesn't look like this, if it's not packaged like this, then you're not one of us. You can't come in until we need you to come on our show for ratings, until we need you to help get our numbers up. And I feel like, Bro, you can have a relationship with God and not seeing gospel me. I just believe that, and they are. There are people who completely wanted to disagree with me. I don't I'm not into I don't really care that much to argue about it. It's just my belief system. I believe that you that's what that leads me to this, and I'm sorry apologize to you for them. It's terrible, bro, that the church has been responsible for doing people amazing gifts like you like that, Bro, And it's it's it's not even how, it's not. God didn't hang out with the religious people, Bro. He did rock with the perfect person that dressed right and got it all right. He rocked with the pimps, he rocked with Yeah, he rocked with the whole. He rocked with the thieves. He roughed with a man, a man killed another man's another woman's husband just so he can sleep with her. Absolutely good man. After You're a man after my own heart. I don't understand how we have painted this picture that you have to be this in order to get this. It's weird to me and you know, to each his own it is what it is, um, But Bro, when I tell you where we're going and where the world is now now you see people everybody back pal Now you hear less judgment, you hear you know you hear, you hear less of that. Now it's oh, we love everybody, everybody. Well, it should have always been like it should have about why did society have to shift? And you start shifting only because you were afraid to get canceled. You're afraid to get exposed. We're afraid to get called out. So now I just feel like it did us a disservice. Um. But there are a lot of great pastors, a lot of great churches, a lot of great believers and leaders that are changing the narrative of that. You know, pastors like my pastor, Pastor Darius Daniels and Pastor ermal Brian And you know when Kanye was able to even come to these churches to do their thing. Uh, Charles Jenkins and so many pastors have an open mind to understand it. Bro it's not about just the four walls, man, It's like we got to reach the world. I didn't learn any I didn't learn about myself until I left those four walls. So I leave church achieved. Rehearsal minister of music at my guy's church. I leave rehearsal, get on the plane fly of l A to sing backgrounds of genuine and you know, get hired for leed job. And I learned more about myself in a summer, hey, than I had ever learned inside of those four walls. We're gonna continue to, um, get you fired on from the church by diving into your R and B mind even further further than the work. You know, you know not that far you No, I'm not. Let's get into your R and B information. Brother, Um, I want to know your top five R and B artists. Millie doesn't matter, it doesn't matter what, it doesn't matter, kay number one. Now if y'all don't consider them R and B, listen, Yeah, this is your brother. Okay. I gotta go Stevie, absolutely R and B. Okay, I gotta go, Donnie Hathaway kidding ugly, Stevie, Donnie. I gotta go. Michael Jackson, come on, little Michael Jackson to Gary Indiana Control. I gotta go Beyonce come on now, and uh, I gotta go read the Franklin. I gotta go read that list is strong. That's a strong list. That's a list. That's a list all powerhouses, and all changed the game. Yes, yes, all has to this from that day to this present moment, all of them. Fingerprint is on the game. Right now, I argue with you're not my friend. Okay, all right, all right, okay, you did that. You did that, your top five songs your mama would let you listen to. I was trying to figure out what a minute that's good. I was trying to figure out how to wear it. You quick boy, you quick on your feet man, Top five songs your mom Yes, okay, So I gotta go with Michael Jackson. Remember the time shout out, Yes, I gotta go with um. I'm about I'm about to trip you out on this one. I gotta go. Stevie. Wonder if it's magic m you've heard that song? Oh, thank give us something up, give us something. Well, let me say this. I could sink it. I can't sink it, but it's lyrically incredible. I don't want to mess up those lyrics. But it is one of the most dynamic songs mm hmm I probably ever heard in my life. Okay, Stevie, want that was that the first song that's the two. That's number two. Number three, Ah, Donnie had to wear a song for you, Yeah, easy easy money. Number four Whitney Houston. It wasn't saving all my love for you the performance on that song tonight after night, oh man. And then um number five, that's almost Jesus number five. I gotta go with interesting enough. I'm gonna go with uh the gap band yearning, gap band, yearning, no Wow, no argument, learning, keep on yearning. Yeah, you can't keep running it out of my life. It's a great lyric. Oh, that's a great lyric. When't dissect that lyric. But I ain't gonna lot of bro man to me, that's a gospel song. Let me tell you why. If you look at that, bro, that's God saying to us, you can't keep running and none of my life. Yea flip that at a decision my heart. Come on, that is yearning for your love. That's crazy. That's crazy. Real vocals, girls, real real vocals, real live goats. You heard him, heard him, you heard him, real life goats. Here all right, here we go, here we go, um R and B votron. I'm gonna put you gonna put your your your your vote, trying R and B singer together. Vocals uh, performance style, styling and passion. Who you getting a vocal from? Who? This is crazy? I'm getting the vocal cato. Mighty bro, I'm gonna take Jasmin Sulloman's vocals. M I'm coming hard. I'm taking Jasmine the gate. Who's performing style? Beyonce? H Yeah, that's what it be. It's a lot, It's a lot. That's a lot. Styling. Who you want him to look like? What are you gonna put them three ads on? Mm hmmm mhm. They got they gotta look like the goat. They gotta let MJ. In terms of lights, camera action, every child had to have a costume. Ever every jacket had the sod the jacket that had the penny loafer like nobody nobody will ever ever ever, everybody either wanted or had a jacket with ten thousand zippers. What that is when you see do you have one? You didn't have one, couldn't afford had one? You have one? Yeah, you definitely had one. Your parents, your parents? Good for you? Are you staying what? Man? I wasn't stick you know, had a bike business? Was nine. I did have a bike business. That's a that's a whole another story. You been an entrepreneur from day one? Oh, no, period. Absolutely, I'm gonna find it. Yeah, you got, you got, you got. You gotta have style like m jour. Who are you getting? The heart from the passion? The passion? Oh my god, I think I'm gonna have to take Uh, I'm gonna have to take a read this passion. He's gonna say that, he's gonna say that, you can't go to the grand mas and Papa, Papa, Papa the opera singer. He lost his voice. He can't saying. And the sound check they like asked, you can't you do it? Is that what happened? That's crazy sound check? I think I heard that, and she said give me a minute. She learned it in sound check and smashed it on the show that night and she had never done it. And end the other language. That's passion. That's that's what I call she cared. Cared. That's care. Bro. You let me tell something you can't care and get away with it. Somebody gotta pay for care. You can, bro, when you care, you got me, you got me in hello hm. A lot of people don't care, a lot of people just going with the gift. But when you care hmm, hit different. It hit different when you care, bro, because it comes from a different place, You pulled from a different whale. Yeah, man, so wow, I think I think I think that person they wor Bro, that's a good vote, like great vote. You know. We also have a segment, Oh God, this is Jay segments so supposed to be fathers, brothers. Listen, many very important part of the show. It's called I ain't saying O name, Oh God. And in this story it can either be funny or messed up. See how I've never said that word. I have not cursed one time this episode. Yes, no, listen, listen, I ain't recently because all the time you call me, we ain't on the phone. Right now, we're in front of them people, right We're We're about a new faith, new faith Baptist church. Have a knock on people. Not curse one time? Thank you, brother. I might have cursed like ship. I don't know. No, I'm not. I'm not gonna do it. I'm gonna make it through the first time ever. Huh. Never, Bro, Never could I ask you why I like the cuss? No? No, I asked me why you haven't cussed? Like, you know, you didn't have to change for me. I know, I know, so what you know, I like to challenge myself. I like, I like your style, guy, But it's actually but it's also I think it's also what you said to it's a reference to the people who are watching. Yeah, and its people you bring to the table. Absolutely, I think it's a shirt. Now I've cursed in way, silky shirt. Well me in my community, we thank you, um some of them because I still love Jesus. But it's all good, man. You don't ever have to You don't ever have to dumb down. You're not dumb, but you don't have to do that. But that that man, it's all good. So the story can need to be funny and messed up. Okay, are both funny and messed up. The only rule to the story is that you can't say the names. You can't say to people that's involved. So this is Isaac Cries, Isaac Kyrie. It's definitely flat. This is Isaac Crees. I ain't saying on names. So the time that little Willis and CARDI I'm joking, man, totally joking. Okay, I'm not saying on names. Go with me all right. So there was a time I was doing a show and I was on the road with someone else and in the middle of the show while they were performing, Uh yeah, they they shot it on themselves. Did they have on white? Yeah? Yeah, they shot on themselves and did it got bad? And I'm a person that you all know me, but for anybody out there who don't know me, which is probably a lot of people, you can I can't hold my laugh. And it's not just a laugh. It's not as I'm weeping. I'm a crier and I'm weeping like like Jesus wasn't the back of the boat just he he did, said Jesus wept shortest Bible versus the Bible. I was weeping. Bro, could not I could not get myself together, and it wasn't and they couldn't get They eventually got the stage. But when I tell you about how they got the stage, it was know what, I don't know, Bro, I don't know, I don't know. I just know it was bad. Bro, it was bad. And I was like, Wow, And I never forgot that moment. And me and a couple of my friends we laugh about that to this day. Wow. But it was bad. Yeah, that would be that that would be tough. That would be tough to get to, Like I know me, I would have to be like, hey, hey guys, we're gonna be right back. Yeah. It was cleaned up, and the walk off was still. I don't know why us stiff in the walk it's done. No, I think the walk off is stiff because it was more than it was just like its kind of like, oh, I've been there. Not on stage, Oh I've been there. I've been there that those stage, my ministry man, dog, I'm telling you, that's just a regular poop. You know. Give me that great goose, make me drink. We have we have been blessed um beyond measures looking at me, wait, um by our brother, our friend, UM vocal theologian, the incomparable, the incomparable. Um you are him. I had I just we were just I was just hosting a club in Atlanta, and he blessed us with his presence. And I looked at him while I was singing this particular song, and I was like, He's like, no, no, good, I'm good. I'm good. You're gonna sing on this song as a career, and you're gonna sing it good. And in the middle of this club that was you know club. They don't they don't know who as a career is. But I promise you this. When he finished singing, he absolutely wanted to know who he was. And I looked at the bank. What do you want me to do with this? How that you've done that? Um? Thank you Mann, Thank you as always man for being an inspiration. Um for being a brother to us, and hum for giving us, giving us jims Man, giving us insight, giving us the lessons. I mean, because making it practical. It's very hard thinking all of that makes sense in real life. It's difficult. And you do that well. You know, I will go to your church. Yeah I would, Yeah, I would go to I don't like what you looked at me when I No, that's good because that means, uh that I'm learning. I'm doing well. So when you come to Atlanta and just come to my church and I'm not the pastor, but my pastor is cool and he's a dude that you're a rock. Ma'll come from Chilly No no good, makes no pangs. He's he's he's been thinking, one of the greatest communicators of our time. So yeah, so I'm gonna hold you for that. Now, come on, man, there's gentlemen again. I'm taking I'm just downtown and this has been money Money. R and B Money is a production of the Black Effect podcast Network. 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