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Suprema roll called Prima So I need a primo roll call so Prema roll call Suprema so Fremo roll call, Yo, you made a better guest verse than some musicians. That was Yeah, that was That was definitely top five in the sixth year history. Everyone's like, oh, money, I don't know. Oh yes, I am Michael Jackson. Okay, So, ladies and gentlemen, we are being given the honor of having a sit down with the human being that I credit for literally holding our democracy in place. You know, I'm trying not to be hyperbolic or that extra pressure, but you know, I'm speaking facts right now, and much like my beloved state of Pennsylvania, Georgia is going to be a fight to the finish, and you know, for the two percent of you that have your head in the sand, November eight is a crucial date for not only Georgia, but for this country and for history. I feel like it's our due diligence to offer our platform. And yes, like normally this is a platform for musicians and artists like or whatever, but I think it's our due diligence to give our guests today the platform because I often feel like people who listen to us, often like people who are creatives, there's sometimes you know, very indifferent right here, like well, you know, I'm beginning the political stuff or whatever, or they just simply feel like maybe the trickle down effect won't affect them that much than it already has. And I can't stress to you find folk enough that. Yeah, I know there's uh fatigue and you know, but we have to fight this good fight. And I'd rather us be fatigued than to be lying on our backs and then wondering what happened months after the fact. Uh. And I believe in our guest today because she is about that action. And you know, it's like the wild West out here, and it's time to get serious. And I want, yeah, I want you people to take time out to really get yourselves familiar if you aren't already with the person. Yes, and I said in my verse, I I do believe that, you know, first of all, I believe in her affirmation. And yeah, she is going to win. But you know, I believe that President. I'm talking to the future president right now, not to put pressure on you, but us Georgia. First, let's work on this job. Yes, yeah, one step of the time. So you know, our guest today running for governor and I just found out will successfully be the first African American governor. Ever, we're still dealing with first yes, first female black governor in the United States and future podist. Let's have it, Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Stacy Abrams. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah, you know it's weird because you know, I know that you know, living a life in which you're trying to correct history and right wrongs and whatnot. And you know, I often feels the like introductions like that do nothing but add more pressure to the person than it already is. But just in general, I want to know for you, not how exhausting is it, but just on the every day of of knowing that pretty much most of us are looking at you specifically to you know, at least hold this country in place as the adhesive that we want it to be, because if it doesn't happen, then a lot is going to change. But I mean, just for you in general, like I'll offer you the platform to answer this question, like why do you feel that you're qualified to be the person to save us? There is an urgency that I feel every day in part because of what I know about what the world can be and what I know about what it is. I grew up with five brothers and sisters. My parents were working poor, but they took us out to volunteer because my my dad's succinct way of saying it was having nothing is not an excuse for doing nothing. But what that grounded in me and what my mother, who would say, you know, no matter how little we have, there's someone with less. Your job is to serve that person, is that It's not just about material. It is about it's about advocacy, it's about efficacy, it's about access. And when you've seen people who should have had but were denied, if there is any degree of empathy in you, you feel compelled to do something well for me. It's a systemic issue. I grew up in Mississippi. I came of age in Georgia. I've lived in Texas. I went to the North, but it was cold. I came back um. But so I was born in Wisconsin. I barely remember that. Oh yeah, I remember cheese, kurds and cold. And then I went to law school in Connecticut. So I went to Yale and in both places their challenges everywhere, but in the South we've been gaslighted into believing these are permanent issues. And I know it's not. So. I know that the South not only has something to say, but we can demonstrate a capacity that we have been fooled into believing isn't our right. And as someone who's gotten people to listen sometimes, I'm really good at asking people to do things. I'm pretty good at organizing stuff. My responsibility is to keep pushing until I can't push any further. And so yeah, I appreciate the PLoud It's I see myself more as an avatar for all the other people who are trying to do this work but don't get the access I've gotten. I'm louder than a lot of people, and I'm more relentless than many because I don't know how not to do this. I don't know how you sit still when you see the issues before us. And I know that democracy is how I mean, you use the right word. It's the adhesive, but it's also the tool kit. And so for me, this heart has to be done. And if not me, then you know who. Okay, So I'm one of those people who's definitely guilty of you know, I'll watch MSNBC or something, shake my head like somebody I do something like if anything I think in the last three years, I was the king of Man. I was somebody with da da da da da, and then I find that I'm the person that's called to do that. For you, what was the pivotal moment, like back when you were at Yale and I'm right before that, Yeah, right, okay, Well, I mean back when you were in college where what were your lofty goals in life? Like are you imagining that some fifteen sixteen years later that you'll be in the position that you are now or were you just like, Okay, I'm gonna be a lawyer or da dada or I had like twenty seven majors in college. I was physics and philosophy, with a minor in theater. It finds out I liked star Trek, but not differential account calculus, and when you can't stay awaken epistemology, it's probably not the thing to do when there are only four people in the classroom. I like acting, but not enough to make it my life's work, and so I flitted through a bunch of other things. But what was the through line for me was activism. The pivotal moment for me when I realized that it wasn't just an inherited property from my parents. It was part of my DNA. When the Rodney King decision came down in I was a freshman at Spellman, I organized students to protest. They locked down our campus. I was at the a U C. And if you if you know Atlanta, they locked down I twenty so you could not get off of the interstate and come to our unit, to the University Center, says Spellman, Morehouse, Clark Atlanta, Morris Brown, I T C. And More School of Medicine. And then they tear gassed us. They tear gas the entire area. And this is under a black mayor, and this is but the schools were juxtaposed next to some of the oldest housing developments in the nation. And so the issue was we weren't, you know, elite students and poor communities. We were all black, and we were all basically accused of the same anger. And the problem was the protests were real, because the pain was real, and so I helped organize students. Actually got into an argument with then Mayor Maynard Jackson. He won the argument, but because you couldn't argue, and I was like my cleanest teachers and my nicest jeans, but he still won. But he later hired me to work in the newly created Office of Youth Services. Okay, let me ask something, um, because you know, I did not go to college, like immediately got a record deal and had a career. I always wanted to know when we protest on a college campus, like what's the goal, especially when like the issue is three thousand miles away in Los Angeles? Like how has that trickle too? So two things. One, what Rodney King's with the verdict was evocative of was the lack of justice from police. And that was happening in Atlanta, that was happening in Georgia. And part of it was where poverty exists, where racism exists, you were going to find police misconduct. And there was also the larger issue of simply the evidence of our eyes being denied. Those things. Well, Rodney King was emblematic of it. He was, but he was only one example. He was the first example that got caught on tape. But people had those experiences everywhere, and that's why it was so inflammatory. The protest I organized. We started this moment, we watched we marched from the a U C all the way to city Hall. So to your point, I I didn't go to a college where protesting at the college made a less sense because we all pretty much agreed the most effective protests leave the safe spaces and go into the public spaces. So we made sure that march went past the housing projects, went past the liquor stores, all the way down to city Hall. That's how I ended up getting into the tete a tete with the mayor. But the but to your point, there are some campuses where protests on campus is it's effective because if you're at Harvard, you're talking about billions of dollars and economic influence. If you're in a you see that the numeric the monetary effect is smaller, but the salutary effect is bigger because you have people who may have been conditioned to think that they were the exceptions to the rule, who have to remind themselves that they are part of the same fabric that People don't ask you, They don't investigate did you go to Spellman? Why are you in the AUC why are you in Southwest Atlanta. They just see someone who looks like something they've been taught to be afraid of or taught to disregard. And this is true for a lot of different communities of color. It's true based on your economic situation and where protests comes in, as protests moves beyond the space that you inhabit, and it tells the rest of the world you've got to pay attention. It's a bullhorn exactly. So do you consider that moment your first footprint in political action? It was my parents, will tell you, because my mom and dad were in grad school here in uh In Georgia, then moved back to Mississippi at and I gave out my phone number to tell people during the protest, like if you're if you want to join us. I didn't think through the fact that was giving my parents home number out. Yeah know, and and they pointed that out to me later on as the phone started to ring. But for me, it was it was it was both in a moment of empowerment but a moment of ownership that I I wanted to be a voice for people who didn't know they deserved to be in that march, They didn't know that they deserved to have better and who had been lulled into thinking that because you had leadership that looked like you, that they shared all of the same issues that you shared, and that's just never true, that that notion of monolithic power is just not real. And so even within spaces, the Maynard tax is extraordinary mayor. But in this issue, when it came to youth poverty, he had not done what I thought needed to be done. So job was to push that, and so for me it was it was a moment of reckoning, Like did I actually believe the things I was saying when I was safely on campus? And it turns out yes, I did so at the time where you like student body president or like, I don't know what the president system is for college. I used to be president of my ninth grade class, But I mean, like for you, so I wasn't then I eventually did. I was at that point, I was just an annoying freshman in college. You and you were a freshman. That was my freshman year, So how did you, like, isn't it hard for a freshman to get the respect in the I was relentless and we're people like afraid of being suspended or kicked off campus or yes, so one thing that happened part of a kind of short shortcut of the story but it was a few phases when they were tear gassing the campus. This is before social media, this is before cell phones, and this is when you only had the television stations, the broadcast stations. So I organized students in my dorm to call all the broadcast stations. They were lying saying that we were running amok and like, no, we are angry in protest uesting both on the campus and out in the community, but this isn't a riot, and they were missed communicating what was happening. So I had a bunch of friends call all the stations and flood the stations, and the stations got wise to us and said, well, who's calling, And so I said just tell them you're me to like seventy five Stacy Abrams is calling, and that that amplified my voice. Again, didn't think through the consequences when they sent the police to come and get me to take me to this event. They I wasn't being arrested, but I was invited to the simulcast because all of the stick the television stations in Atlanta came together because this was a crisis, and so the mayor was there and I was invited as one of the students to be there, and so that's sort of that lifted my platform a bit more than I expected. As I'm so curious, just one as a student as we're in this Spellman moment, I'm curious, did you what we are full of experience? Wasn't college? Was it all work and no play and activism? Or but at a pivotal time in Atlanta period like a limp post Olympics maybe, So I was right before the Olympics, right before Okay, so right before the Olympics. So can you talk about like what kind of student you were in that way, like did you have fun social? Because I was a nerd and I'm I'm an introvert. So I heard this. That's why I was surprised the first mean year you went all out and started Well, I was that wasps? You mentioned star Treks, So that was that. Well, next generation was out. So your PA card Girl, the card j like I I do. The whole universe is everything like Luca John Luca every day this person I'm for the thirty plus years good even though she's still good. So I this is probably the best example. When I became student body president, part of your job is to make sure that their social activities. I got two of my best friends. I created a position called the Social Activity Coordinator, so I wouldn't have to go to parties. So you wouldn't have to go. Yeah, so I would set up the parties. They would I would come at the beginning to say hi, and I would come at the end to make sure know I stole anything. Otherwise I was back in my dorm. You would go to everybody was trying to get to go out, and you were like, I have meaningful things to do. I never went on spring break. What well, why would you pay money to go sit in somebody else's hotel. I mean, like I was, I had a dorm, I could read anywhere. Like Okay, So you said something, and I think you know. I try to pull as much personal inspiration information from our guests that come on this show. But I'll ask you because I feel like the one small task that I'm holding myself back from actually crossing the line to where you are, despite the fact that I'm hosting my own podcasts and do other things. How do you get over the fear of speaking, because I've seen you speak before it, you know, for an introvert you project. Well, I guess it's the acting help. But so, yeah, I grew up in the church, so we had to do the Easter programs, manspation, proclamature programs. Never liked any of it. I'm not afraid. You had to read sister and sister, Yes, all of the stuff, you name it, we did it. My fear isn't public speaking. I'm reticent about being around lots of people. So when I was in high school, I joined the debate team. I had a psychosomatic case of laryngitis because it occurred to me that I couldn't be I wouldn't be debating by myself, that other people would see me do it. And suddenly my voice didn't work. And went to see the nurse and she's like, there's nothing wrong with you. Yeah, And that's when I also learned what psychosomatic because what psychomedia looked like. Artists often do that, and that's often an issue on this show, like when people self sabotaged their progress or whatever. Well, I had to get over it because I was going to fail the class if I didn't. Actually you have to have to speak. But the way I get past it is that it's not about me. It's about what they need to hear. It's about what people need to know. I can get past the you can't sublimate it, but you can work around it. And I think you do that. You do that, you find yourself in public spaces speaking, You give yourself a script, you give yourself a an objective. And for me, the objective has changed. It's getting people the things they need. And if my discomfort gets them to what they need, then I'm willing to do it. It is never fun, I have never I don't enjoy it, but I'm good at it. And the consequences of inaction to me are worse than the consequences of action. And so for me, the cost benefit analysis. You know, Stacy stopped having a laryngitis and go into your job. Okay, speaking of inaction, and let's cut to the chase here. November coming up, and you know, I know, uh, specifically my specific demographic, which is black men and year nineteen. First of all, I'm very shocked at the statistics that we I mean, I'm not I'm shocked, and I'm not shocked because I know that we're the first to complain about something and really the last you know, to really wanna do do the groundwork if you will. So you know, I'm finding out that black men vote the least, or probably feel the least, probably represented or you know, and I know I got many uncles and cousins and friends ain't not going to happen and they ain't run for us, or they the FEDS or they ops or whatever. So for you what you're facing in Georgia, and that will subsequently affect because you know, if Kemp does remain in power, then I know that laws are going to be implemented. I'm already pissed about this whole, Like we can't give water to people or aid to people. So just in general, like, use this platform to explain to us what is at stake? So you said, how does that happen? And what's at stake? We have a governor who ran his first campaign on rounding people up and pointing weapons at people and saying that he was a politically incorrect conservative, he was a Trump Conservative, and then people because he didn't commit treason once in he didn't commit treason by he did what every other governor in American history has done, and he certified the election. He's been given praise and lionized. See and that's part of the challenge. The memory is short and we are and so he gets credit. Now what people aren't aren't paying attention to. And this goes to the issue with so black men have let's be clear, they vote, but it's the vote share, So vote shares the proportion you have in the population versus the proportion you haven't turned out. Black women have the highest vote share. We vote our numbers. The next group is white women, then the group after that as white men, then black men. So the issue is not that black men don't vote, it's that their power in their vote is under so they fight below their weight class. And so the goal that I have is not to say that black men no one, and no one should suggest that black men don't vote. It's that they don't. They fight below their weight class. And if black men fought their full power, it changes things. But they are legitimate reasons that doesn't happen, especially in Georgia. Georgia had at one point the fourth highest incarceration rate in the nation, and it was predominantly black men. And Georgia, like Florida, nearly permanently dis franchises black men, and those who aren't permanently disenfranchise are you know, flooded with so much misinformation they don't know they have the right to vote. Then you have communities that when you have generational poverty, generational stereotypes, and generational investment, no government doesn't work. You've seen people who look like you get elected and do nothing. But the reason that often is true is that we tend to elect In Georgia and in the South, we elect black people at the local level. And we you know, we finally started to make some progress at the federal level. But state government is the intervener that stops many good things from happening. Governors matter, especially now. Standard Ground was signed by a governor. That's why Trayvon's murder went unavenged. The treatment of black women as parasites through the social safety Net that happened under a governor in Wisconsin. Mass incarceration did not start with the ninety four crime billets started with three strikesure out, which was signed by Governor Pete Wilson and California Jim Crow never had a single federal law. It was all state governors in nine Southern states, and so we we legitimately, especially black men, legitimately protest the lack of delivery. But we don't understand that the delivery system is the state, not the local government. In the State of Georgia, the governor decides how much money gets spent. The governor sets the budget, the governor signs the laws. In the city of Atlanta, in two thousand and three, I helped write the first living wage law for the state of Georgia. The Mayor of Atlanta signed that law. By the following January, that law was illegal in the entire state. They made it illegal for a local government to pass a law for living wages. On call scheduling hurts a lot of black men who want to be a part of their family. Hours a lot of people. But you're on on call scheduling. You want to be able to plan your day. The Secretary of State, the person currently as Secretary of State, as a state legislator, passed the law that says that no one can know local government can require that on call scheduling actually respect the humanity of a person working. The Governor, Brian Kemp, in the midst of COVID, passed the law saying that you couldn't sue your employer for not pretend sting you from COVID didn't do a thing to demand that you could access to PPE, but he did make it impossible for you to file a lawsuit against the when he reopened the state. When they forced you back to work, they could make you come to work, but he didn't have to protect you when you got there. That's this governor. That's why I'm confused in state because most people don't understand they all they know is that, well he reopened the state. Yeah, thirty eight thousand people are dead. Yeah, we were. I was literally having this conversation with because I was like, I want to have a conversation with some young folks that actually live here. And I was talking to to the young folks behind the camera and we were talking about Georgia is a little is different in the sense, and they're from Chicago and Detroit respectively, and now their residents. But speaking to it, I supposed to we go Wade yesterday and I said, I don't understand why the polls say that things are closed. When y'all was here, y'all saw not even I mean COVID, that's nice, but we saw what the injustice that happened to Stacy and he said to me, he said, yeah, but politicians always cheat, And I was like, well yeah, but that was what we the whole world watched, and it was just a matter of fact, like Georgia kind of felt like, Okay, you know what this is. This is some Georgia excuse my language, ship in a way, some South ship where things go a little differently in the Northeast. Yeah, it couldn't be so blatant. And we would never have let a man like that only be governor again and re going again, think he has a chance again. The law he passed that is voter suppression two point oh this law and not only says you can't have water or food, he's outsourced voters voter purging. Sixty four thousand people have had their voter registrations challenged because he and Brad Rathsenberger put in place a law that says that you can any person can walk into a county board of elections and say I don't think that Amir has the right to vote, and you have to prove that you have the right to vote. They don't have to have any evidence. And it used to be that if it looks fishy. The Board of Elections can say this is this is crazy. We're not gonna do because they now have to process every single challenge and in Gwinnette County alone, thirty seven thousand voter registrations were changing. It's no, but this has happened across the state. But this is the same state where, because of Brian Kemp's law s P Two two four different boards of elections, the people who control where the polling is, if you get your if your names there. They kicked all of the black people off of the board and it is legal in Georgia for them to do so. Brian Kemp did that. But the reality is, and this goes just to the larger issue not only black men, but of the urgency of this election. If this is what they're willing to do, now, imagine when he is a lame duck governor who can't run for office again, when he has five has nothing to lose. He's got his billion dollars. He already took our bodies away from us and the right to He's got six billion dollars at his disposal. We have a surplus. Once you pay every bill. We've got six billion dollars sitting there. He has told us his intention is to give this money to the wealthy, and so part of the goal of today, and I appreciate this conversation, is that most people are so legitimately consumed with their lives and with their fears and with their realities that politics feels like an extra burden. I like to say politics. You may not be into politics, but politics is into you, and it is a stalker. And we have to understand that stalking usually turns into something grave and terrible that you will one day see on lifetime movies. And so we've got to push back. And my my job, my interest, my intensity is because I know what the consequences are if we don't do it, but I also know what the possibilities are if we do. We can invest in people, we can restore bodily autonomy. We can make certain that black men and black people a large but black men in particular, get re enfranchised and actually have an active role to play in their futures. Instead of a governor who thinks that restoring mass incarceration is an okay thing to do. For cats like me on the sideline, that we want to do something now, last year, you know, I raise money, went out on the streets, I mean even handed out what like I would go to polling places and all those things. What can we do and not celebrity civilians because we all want to people. What can we do to help alleviate the situation that I know is going to be problematic? So number one, feel free to give me money. But here's what No, but here's why I am running the So our campaign has the single largest voter engagement apparatus in the state. That means going into the places that most people don't go to get to the voters. Most people ignore. That's what that's what we do. But it takes money because I actually pay every canvas or we don't. We pay a living wage to our campuses. Yes, in a college, but but when you to go to a small place, when you've got to go to col Quick County, or go up to Dade County, or you're in Clayton County and you've got to knock on all these doors and these apartment buildings, this is a job and people need to take So we need volunteers. But before we get volunteers, I need people who I know can show up to work every single day, so your investment is in that work. Number two, I need volunteers. I need folks to reach out to their communities. But I also need people to talk about this on social media. The other side is spending a lot of time pretending this doesn't matter. Every negative narrative you here, they amplify it. They will tell a lie a thousand times until it sounds like the truth. We tell the truth one time, and we shut up when no one says a men. I need us to talk about what is at stake and who is who these people are, who my opponent is, and who I am. And we may not agree on everything, but if you look at the totality of my work, I show my work, and so think about if you've got a guess who's going to do a better job, the guy who's told you he doesn't care about you, or the woman has shown care. But I need folks to be talking about this. In eighteen there was a national conversation. This time it's been a more a bit more muted because we've been dealing with so many things. I was gonna say, yea, how do you think the pandemic COVID? How you think that is a pandemic, COVID inflation, racial violence. People are tired and you you, you laid it out very well in here. People are exhausted. But pain doesn't care about your exhaustion. Politics doesn't care about your exhaustion. Our responsibility is to show up anyway, because the consequences are going to visit us, whether we invite them or not. Okay, so let me ask you this as your sister. And it's funny. I do another podcast with two sisters, Jill's gotten in Asia from Kincher's Family Soul, and we're always talking about self care. I need to know, Stacy Abrams, what is your self care ritual? Do you do have something daily? What do you do for self so that you can go out and give all this energy to all these people because it cost I watched an inordinate amount of television and I eight books. When I say I watched a lot of TV, it is a bit absurd. Right now, I'm watching Eureka because I didn't watch Eureka when that came out before. I love it. So I'm on season five and it's really good. I'm waiting for The Equalizer to come back because I love Queen Latifa. I watched all of the FBI s. I think they're twenty seven of them now, um, yeah, I watch you on Order. You got to decide? Well, well know I'm on Lawn Order. Yeah season. Well yes, so I know they did all three of them on the twenty second, but I haven't haven't had a chance to watch. But yes, do you watch the first Law and Order? Because I watched that. No, he was on s v S VU was the tight. I watched all of the law I've watched Law and Order UK. When I say I watched TV, I okay, there's a Lawn Order UK? Yes, and is the sting to have an accent? Yeah? You know what. I'm putting it out there? Have you organized an outcast from Union? They will come? Well, I think i'm talking to the person who can make it happen. He's talking to you. I'm talking to h you know what someone should get out? Oh boy actually lives five minutes away from me. I'm just saying, don't have boy in his name? Yeah, the one that doesn't have He goes fishing in Long Island like four days a week. So yeah, I'll call it. But what are you listening to? Stacy? I'm curious, my my, So, I have a sixteen year old niece who now lives with me. All right, you know, so I don't want to tell you what I listened to because everything I say out loud she cringes at So. Yeah, most of our musical tastes are frozen from when we were basically between the ages of ten and twenty five. I have expanded my universe since then, but when it comes back to just the core narrative. But I'm curious, who who do I listen to right now? I just had to do some I just did a photo shoot, which that sounds so bougie, But anyway, so they play music because well it's awkward to do this stuff, and so they play music to relax you. So it was tribe called quest Uh, it was Whitney. Um, there was new addition, of course. I also loved Van Halen and Stone Temple Pilots. There was some Fiona Apple. Yes, I listened to a broad range. There was and I'm not just pandering. There was some roots. So was the last time you had to go to a show? Like? Was the last time you had time to go to a showy? Well, last night I was at Alicia Keys concert for fourteen seconds so she could say hi and thank you that yeah oh yeah. So once you step anything by Missy Elliott, you just get me hip up. And I have a deep, end abiding commitment to all of the fun songs done by Ludicrous he Day. Look, this is fun one because it feels like this is a ten minute episode of course of Supreme, even though I know that we've it was longer than Michelle out. Can you come back after you win? I can? You know? I really appreciate it, and you know you're you're an inspiration for it for a lot of us on the sideline that like someone should do something, and can I give people one more thing to do? I need people to vote early starting October seventeen, vote early, so Georgia has three weeks of early voting and the reasoning people to vote as early as they can early voting because we know suppression is on its way. We know they're making it hard to get absentee ballots. They're making it hard to know you're polling places. They've changed the rules. And if you go to the wrong polling place and you're in line for four hours and you get to the end and it's the wrong polling place. They will not accept your ballot. Yes, it's called provisional ballot. So the way to the way to overcome voter suppression is not to let it win by staying home. It is by overwhelming the poll with our presence. But we need to show up early. We get there the first week, we get all of the we know all the problems. We can get as many things out of the way, and so we're really just dealing with the biggest issues, but with fewer and fewer people as we get close to election day, show up early. If we show out on the week of October, there's no stop in us. There, he goes, it's happening the big day back. I don't even live here. I'm taking a cueue from I'm Finished Business and EP. Yes, this is the big payback for our guest today, Stacy Abrams. Thank you very much, future protus on behalf of no. You know, I believe in affirmation and and putting it out there won't be happisode to Steve like I'm p Bill you missed another classic and this is a quest love and thank you agatting Stacey having this. We'll see you next time. Thank you. What's Love Supreme is a production of my heart Radio. For more podcasts from my heart Radio, visit the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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Suprema roll called Prima So I need a primo roll call so Prema roll call Suprema so Fremo roll call, Yo, you made a better guest verse than some musicians. That was Yeah, that was That was definitely top five in the sixth year history. Everyone's like, oh, money, I don't know. Oh yes, I am Michael Jackson. Okay, So, ladies and gentlemen, we are being given the honor of having a sit down with the human being that I credit for literally holding our democracy in place. You know, I'm trying not to be hyperbolic or that extra pressure, but you know, I'm speaking facts right now, and much like my beloved state of Pennsylvania, Georgia is going to be a fight to the finish, and you know, for the two percent of you that have your head in the sand, November eight is a crucial date for not only Georgia, but for this country and for history. I feel like it's our due diligence to offer our platform. And yes, like normally this is a platform for musicians and artists like or whatever, but I think it's our due diligence to give our guests today the platform because I often feel like people who listen to us, often like people who are creatives, there's sometimes you know, very indifferent right here, like well, you know, I'm beginning the political stuff or whatever, or they just simply feel like maybe the trickle down effect won't affect them that much than it already has. And I can't stress to you find folk enough that. Yeah, I know there's uh fatigue and you know, but we have to fight this good fight. And I'd rather us be fatigued than to be lying on our backs and then wondering what happened months after the fact. Uh. And I believe in our guest today because she is about that action. And you know, it's like the wild West out here, and it's time to get serious. And I want, yeah, I want you people to take time out to really get yourselves familiar if you aren't already with the person. Yes, and I said in my verse, I I do believe that, you know, first of all, I believe in her affirmation. And yeah, she is going to win. But you know, I believe that President. I'm talking to the future president right now, not to put pressure on you, but us Georgia. First, let's work on this job. Yes, yeah, one step of the time. So you know, our guest today running for governor and I just found out will successfully be the first African American governor. Ever, we're still dealing with first yes, first female black governor in the United States and future podist. Let's have it, Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Stacy Abrams. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah, you know it's weird because you know, I know that you know, living a life in which you're trying to correct history and right wrongs and whatnot. And you know, I often feels the like introductions like that do nothing but add more pressure to the person than it already is. But just in general, I want to know for you, not how exhausting is it, but just on the every day of of knowing that pretty much most of us are looking at you specifically to you know, at least hold this country in place as the adhesive that we want it to be, because if it doesn't happen, then a lot is going to change. But I mean, just for you in general, like I'll offer you the platform to answer this question, like why do you feel that you're qualified to be the person to save us? There is an urgency that I feel every day in part because of what I know about what the world can be and what I know about what it is. I grew up with five brothers and sisters. My parents were working poor, but they took us out to volunteer because my my dad's succinct way of saying it was having nothing is not an excuse for doing nothing. But what that grounded in me and what my mother, who would say, you know, no matter how little we have, there's someone with less. Your job is to serve that person, is that It's not just about material. It is about it's about advocacy, it's about efficacy, it's about access. And when you've seen people who should have had but were denied, if there is any degree of empathy in you, you feel compelled to do something well for me. It's a systemic issue. I grew up in Mississippi. I came of age in Georgia. I've lived in Texas. I went to the North, but it was cold. I came back um. But so I was born in Wisconsin. I barely remember that. Oh yeah, I remember cheese, kurds and cold. And then I went to law school in Connecticut. So I went to Yale and in both places their challenges everywhere, but in the South we've been gaslighted into believing these are permanent issues. And I know it's not. So. I know that the South not only has something to say, but we can demonstrate a capacity that we have been fooled into believing isn't our right. And as someone who's gotten people to listen sometimes, I'm really good at asking people to do things. I'm pretty good at organizing stuff. My responsibility is to keep pushing until I can't push any further. And so yeah, I appreciate the PLoud It's I see myself more as an avatar for all the other people who are trying to do this work but don't get the access I've gotten. I'm louder than a lot of people, and I'm more relentless than many because I don't know how not to do this. I don't know how you sit still when you see the issues before us. And I know that democracy is how I mean, you use the right word. It's the adhesive, but it's also the tool kit. And so for me, this heart has to be done. And if not me, then you know who. Okay, So I'm one of those people who's definitely guilty of you know, I'll watch MSNBC or something, shake my head like somebody I do something like if anything I think in the last three years, I was the king of Man. I was somebody with da da da da da, and then I find that I'm the person that's called to do that. For you, what was the pivotal moment, like back when you were at Yale and I'm right before that, Yeah, right, okay, Well, I mean back when you were in college where what were your lofty goals in life? Like are you imagining that some fifteen sixteen years later that you'll be in the position that you are now or were you just like, Okay, I'm gonna be a lawyer or da dada or I had like twenty seven majors in college. I was physics and philosophy, with a minor in theater. It finds out I liked star Trek, but not differential account calculus, and when you can't stay awaken epistemology, it's probably not the thing to do when there are only four people in the classroom. I like acting, but not enough to make it my life's work, and so I flitted through a bunch of other things. But what was the through line for me was activism. The pivotal moment for me when I realized that it wasn't just an inherited property from my parents. It was part of my DNA. When the Rodney King decision came down in I was a freshman at Spellman, I organized students to protest. They locked down our campus. I was at the a U C. And if you if you know Atlanta, they locked down I twenty so you could not get off of the interstate and come to our unit, to the University Center, says Spellman, Morehouse, Clark Atlanta, Morris Brown, I T C. And More School of Medicine. And then they tear gassed us. They tear gas the entire area. And this is under a black mayor, and this is but the schools were juxtaposed next to some of the oldest housing developments in the nation. And so the issue was we weren't, you know, elite students and poor communities. We were all black, and we were all basically accused of the same anger. And the problem was the protests were real, because the pain was real, and so I helped organize students. Actually got into an argument with then Mayor Maynard Jackson. He won the argument, but because you couldn't argue, and I was like my cleanest teachers and my nicest jeans, but he still won. But he later hired me to work in the newly created Office of Youth Services. Okay, let me ask something, um, because you know, I did not go to college, like immediately got a record deal and had a career. I always wanted to know when we protest on a college campus, like what's the goal, especially when like the issue is three thousand miles away in Los Angeles? Like how has that trickle too? So two things. One, what Rodney King's with the verdict was evocative of was the lack of justice from police. And that was happening in Atlanta, that was happening in Georgia. And part of it was where poverty exists, where racism exists, you were going to find police misconduct. And there was also the larger issue of simply the evidence of our eyes being denied. Those things. Well, Rodney King was emblematic of it. He was, but he was only one example. He was the first example that got caught on tape. But people had those experiences everywhere, and that's why it was so inflammatory. The protest I organized. We started this moment, we watched we marched from the a U C all the way to city Hall. So to your point, I I didn't go to a college where protesting at the college made a less sense because we all pretty much agreed the most effective protests leave the safe spaces and go into the public spaces. So we made sure that march went past the housing projects, went past the liquor stores, all the way down to city Hall. That's how I ended up getting into the tete a tete with the mayor. But the but to your point, there are some campuses where protests on campus is it's effective because if you're at Harvard, you're talking about billions of dollars and economic influence. If you're in a you see that the numeric the monetary effect is smaller, but the salutary effect is bigger because you have people who may have been conditioned to think that they were the exceptions to the rule, who have to remind themselves that they are part of the same fabric that People don't ask you, They don't investigate did you go to Spellman? Why are you in the AUC why are you in Southwest Atlanta. They just see someone who looks like something they've been taught to be afraid of or taught to disregard. And this is true for a lot of different communities of color. It's true based on your economic situation and where protests comes in, as protests moves beyond the space that you inhabit, and it tells the rest of the world you've got to pay attention. It's a bullhorn exactly. So do you consider that moment your first footprint in political action? It was my parents, will tell you, because my mom and dad were in grad school here in uh In Georgia, then moved back to Mississippi at and I gave out my phone number to tell people during the protest, like if you're if you want to join us. I didn't think through the fact that was giving my parents home number out. Yeah know, and and they pointed that out to me later on as the phone started to ring. But for me, it was it was it was both in a moment of empowerment but a moment of ownership that I I wanted to be a voice for people who didn't know they deserved to be in that march, They didn't know that they deserved to have better and who had been lulled into thinking that because you had leadership that looked like you, that they shared all of the same issues that you shared, and that's just never true, that that notion of monolithic power is just not real. And so even within spaces, the Maynard tax is extraordinary mayor. But in this issue, when it came to youth poverty, he had not done what I thought needed to be done. So job was to push that, and so for me it was it was a moment of reckoning, Like did I actually believe the things I was saying when I was safely on campus? And it turns out yes, I did so at the time where you like student body president or like, I don't know what the president system is for college. I used to be president of my ninth grade class, But I mean, like for you, so I wasn't then I eventually did. I was at that point, I was just an annoying freshman in college. You and you were a freshman. That was my freshman year, So how did you, like, isn't it hard for a freshman to get the respect in the I was relentless and we're people like afraid of being suspended or kicked off campus or yes, so one thing that happened part of a kind of short shortcut of the story but it was a few phases when they were tear gassing the campus. This is before social media, this is before cell phones, and this is when you only had the television stations, the broadcast stations. So I organized students in my dorm to call all the broadcast stations. They were lying saying that we were running amok and like, no, we are angry in protest uesting both on the campus and out in the community, but this isn't a riot, and they were missed communicating what was happening. So I had a bunch of friends call all the stations and flood the stations, and the stations got wise to us and said, well, who's calling, And so I said just tell them you're me to like seventy five Stacy Abrams is calling, and that that amplified my voice. Again, didn't think through the consequences when they sent the police to come and get me to take me to this event. They I wasn't being arrested, but I was invited to the simulcast because all of the stick the television stations in Atlanta came together because this was a crisis, and so the mayor was there and I was invited as one of the students to be there, and so that's sort of that lifted my platform a bit more than I expected. As I'm so curious, just one as a student as we're in this Spellman moment, I'm curious, did you what we are full of experience? Wasn't college? Was it all work and no play and activism? Or but at a pivotal time in Atlanta period like a limp post Olympics maybe, So I was right before the Olympics, right before Okay, so right before the Olympics. So can you talk about like what kind of student you were in that way, like did you have fun social? Because I was a nerd and I'm I'm an introvert. So I heard this. That's why I was surprised the first mean year you went all out and started Well, I was that wasps? You mentioned star Treks, So that was that. Well, next generation was out. So your PA card Girl, the card j like I I do. The whole universe is everything like Luca John Luca every day this person I'm for the thirty plus years good even though she's still good. So I this is probably the best example. When I became student body president, part of your job is to make sure that their social activities. I got two of my best friends. I created a position called the Social Activity Coordinator, so I wouldn't have to go to parties. So you wouldn't have to go. Yeah, so I would set up the parties. They would I would come at the beginning to say hi, and I would come at the end to make sure know I stole anything. Otherwise I was back in my dorm. You would go to everybody was trying to get to go out, and you were like, I have meaningful things to do. I never went on spring break. What well, why would you pay money to go sit in somebody else's hotel. I mean, like I was, I had a dorm, I could read anywhere. Like Okay, So you said something, and I think you know. I try to pull as much personal inspiration information from our guests that come on this show. But I'll ask you because I feel like the one small task that I'm holding myself back from actually crossing the line to where you are, despite the fact that I'm hosting my own podcasts and do other things. How do you get over the fear of speaking, because I've seen you speak before it, you know, for an introvert you project. Well, I guess it's the acting help. But so, yeah, I grew up in the church, so we had to do the Easter programs, manspation, proclamature programs. Never liked any of it. I'm not afraid. You had to read sister and sister, Yes, all of the stuff, you name it, we did it. My fear isn't public speaking. I'm reticent about being around lots of people. So when I was in high school, I joined the debate team. I had a psychosomatic case of laryngitis because it occurred to me that I couldn't be I wouldn't be debating by myself, that other people would see me do it. And suddenly my voice didn't work. And went to see the nurse and she's like, there's nothing wrong with you. Yeah, And that's when I also learned what psychosomatic because what psychomedia looked like. Artists often do that, and that's often an issue on this show, like when people self sabotaged their progress or whatever. Well, I had to get over it because I was going to fail the class if I didn't. Actually you have to have to speak. But the way I get past it is that it's not about me. It's about what they need to hear. It's about what people need to know. I can get past the you can't sublimate it, but you can work around it. And I think you do that. You do that, you find yourself in public spaces speaking, You give yourself a script, you give yourself a an objective. And for me, the objective has changed. It's getting people the things they need. And if my discomfort gets them to what they need, then I'm willing to do it. It is never fun, I have never I don't enjoy it, but I'm good at it. And the consequences of inaction to me are worse than the consequences of action. And so for me, the cost benefit analysis. You know, Stacy stopped having a laryngitis and go into your job. Okay, speaking of inaction, and let's cut to the chase here. November coming up, and you know, I know, uh, specifically my specific demographic, which is black men and year nineteen. First of all, I'm very shocked at the statistics that we I mean, I'm not I'm shocked, and I'm not shocked because I know that we're the first to complain about something and really the last you know, to really wanna do do the groundwork if you will. So you know, I'm finding out that black men vote the least, or probably feel the least, probably represented or you know, and I know I got many uncles and cousins and friends ain't not going to happen and they ain't run for us, or they the FEDS or they ops or whatever. So for you what you're facing in Georgia, and that will subsequently affect because you know, if Kemp does remain in power, then I know that laws are going to be implemented. I'm already pissed about this whole, Like we can't give water to people or aid to people. So just in general, like, use this platform to explain to us what is at stake? So you said, how does that happen? And what's at stake? We have a governor who ran his first campaign on rounding people up and pointing weapons at people and saying that he was a politically incorrect conservative, he was a Trump Conservative, and then people because he didn't commit treason once in he didn't commit treason by he did what every other governor in American history has done, and he certified the election. He's been given praise and lionized. See and that's part of the challenge. The memory is short and we are and so he gets credit. Now what people aren't aren't paying attention to. And this goes to the issue with so black men have let's be clear, they vote, but it's the vote share, So vote shares the proportion you have in the population versus the proportion you haven't turned out. Black women have the highest vote share. We vote our numbers. The next group is white women, then the group after that as white men, then black men. So the issue is not that black men don't vote, it's that their power in their vote is under so they fight below their weight class. And so the goal that I have is not to say that black men no one, and no one should suggest that black men don't vote. It's that they don't. They fight below their weight class. And if black men fought their full power, it changes things. But they are legitimate reasons that doesn't happen, especially in Georgia. Georgia had at one point the fourth highest incarceration rate in the nation, and it was predominantly black men. And Georgia, like Florida, nearly permanently dis franchises black men, and those who aren't permanently disenfranchise are you know, flooded with so much misinformation they don't know they have the right to vote. Then you have communities that when you have generational poverty, generational stereotypes, and generational investment, no government doesn't work. You've seen people who look like you get elected and do nothing. But the reason that often is true is that we tend to elect In Georgia and in the South, we elect black people at the local level. And we you know, we finally started to make some progress at the federal level. But state government is the intervener that stops many good things from happening. Governors matter, especially now. Standard Ground was signed by a governor. That's why Trayvon's murder went unavenged. The treatment of black women as parasites through the social safety Net that happened under a governor in Wisconsin. Mass incarceration did not start with the ninety four crime billets started with three strikesure out, which was signed by Governor Pete Wilson and California Jim Crow never had a single federal law. It was all state governors in nine Southern states, and so we we legitimately, especially black men, legitimately protest the lack of delivery. But we don't understand that the delivery system is the state, not the local government. In the State of Georgia, the governor decides how much money gets spent. The governor sets the budget, the governor signs the laws. In the city of Atlanta, in two thousand and three, I helped write the first living wage law for the state of Georgia. The Mayor of Atlanta signed that law. By the following January, that law was illegal in the entire state. They made it illegal for a local government to pass a law for living wages. On call scheduling hurts a lot of black men who want to be a part of their family. Hours a lot of people. But you're on on call scheduling. You want to be able to plan your day. The Secretary of State, the person currently as Secretary of State, as a state legislator, passed the law that says that no one can know local government can require that on call scheduling actually respect the humanity of a person working. The Governor, Brian Kemp, in the midst of COVID, passed the law saying that you couldn't sue your employer for not pretend sting you from COVID didn't do a thing to demand that you could access to PPE, but he did make it impossible for you to file a lawsuit against the when he reopened the state. When they forced you back to work, they could make you come to work, but he didn't have to protect you when you got there. That's this governor. That's why I'm confused in state because most people don't understand they all they know is that, well he reopened the state. Yeah, thirty eight thousand people are dead. Yeah, we were. I was literally having this conversation with because I was like, I want to have a conversation with some young folks that actually live here. And I was talking to to the young folks behind the camera and we were talking about Georgia is a little is different in the sense, and they're from Chicago and Detroit respectively, and now their residents. But speaking to it, I supposed to we go Wade yesterday and I said, I don't understand why the polls say that things are closed. When y'all was here, y'all saw not even I mean COVID, that's nice, but we saw what the injustice that happened to Stacy and he said to me, he said, yeah, but politicians always cheat, And I was like, well yeah, but that was what we the whole world watched, and it was just a matter of fact, like Georgia kind of felt like, Okay, you know what this is. This is some Georgia excuse my language, ship in a way, some South ship where things go a little differently in the Northeast. Yeah, it couldn't be so blatant. And we would never have let a man like that only be governor again and re going again, think he has a chance again. The law he passed that is voter suppression two point oh this law and not only says you can't have water or food, he's outsourced voters voter purging. Sixty four thousand people have had their voter registrations challenged because he and Brad Rathsenberger put in place a law that says that you can any person can walk into a county board of elections and say I don't think that Amir has the right to vote, and you have to prove that you have the right to vote. They don't have to have any evidence. And it used to be that if it looks fishy. The Board of Elections can say this is this is crazy. We're not gonna do because they now have to process every single challenge and in Gwinnette County alone, thirty seven thousand voter registrations were changing. It's no, but this has happened across the state. But this is the same state where, because of Brian Kemp's law s P Two two four different boards of elections, the people who control where the polling is, if you get your if your names there. They kicked all of the black people off of the board and it is legal in Georgia for them to do so. Brian Kemp did that. But the reality is, and this goes just to the larger issue not only black men, but of the urgency of this election. If this is what they're willing to do, now, imagine when he is a lame duck governor who can't run for office again, when he has five has nothing to lose. He's got his billion dollars. He already took our bodies away from us and the right to He's got six billion dollars at his disposal. We have a surplus. Once you pay every bill. We've got six billion dollars sitting there. He has told us his intention is to give this money to the wealthy, and so part of the goal of today, and I appreciate this conversation, is that most people are so legitimately consumed with their lives and with their fears and with their realities that politics feels like an extra burden. I like to say politics. You may not be into politics, but politics is into you, and it is a stalker. And we have to understand that stalking usually turns into something grave and terrible that you will one day see on lifetime movies. And so we've got to push back. And my my job, my interest, my intensity is because I know what the consequences are if we don't do it, but I also know what the possibilities are if we do. We can invest in people, we can restore bodily autonomy. We can make certain that black men and black people a large but black men in particular, get re enfranchised and actually have an active role to play in their futures. Instead of a governor who thinks that restoring mass incarceration is an okay thing to do. For cats like me on the sideline, that we want to do something now, last year, you know, I raise money, went out on the streets, I mean even handed out what like I would go to polling places and all those things. What can we do and not celebrity civilians because we all want to people. What can we do to help alleviate the situation that I know is going to be problematic? So number one, feel free to give me money. But here's what No, but here's why I am running the So our campaign has the single largest voter engagement apparatus in the state. That means going into the places that most people don't go to get to the voters. Most people ignore. That's what that's what we do. But it takes money because I actually pay every canvas or we don't. We pay a living wage to our campuses. Yes, in a college, but but when you to go to a small place, when you've got to go to col Quick County, or go up to Dade County, or you're in Clayton County and you've got to knock on all these doors and these apartment buildings, this is a job and people need to take So we need volunteers. But before we get volunteers, I need people who I know can show up to work every single day, so your investment is in that work. Number two, I need volunteers. I need folks to reach out to their communities. But I also need people to talk about this on social media. The other side is spending a lot of time pretending this doesn't matter. Every negative narrative you here, they amplify it. They will tell a lie a thousand times until it sounds like the truth. We tell the truth one time, and we shut up when no one says a men. I need us to talk about what is at stake and who is who these people are, who my opponent is, and who I am. And we may not agree on everything, but if you look at the totality of my work, I show my work, and so think about if you've got a guess who's going to do a better job, the guy who's told you he doesn't care about you, or the woman has shown care. But I need folks to be talking about this. In eighteen there was a national conversation. This time it's been a more a bit more muted because we've been dealing with so many things. I was gonna say, yea, how do you think the pandemic COVID? How you think that is a pandemic, COVID inflation, racial violence. People are tired and you you, you laid it out very well in here. People are exhausted. But pain doesn't care about your exhaustion. Politics doesn't care about your exhaustion. Our responsibility is to show up anyway, because the consequences are going to visit us, whether we invite them or not. Okay, so let me ask you this as your sister. And it's funny. I do another podcast with two sisters, Jill's gotten in Asia from Kincher's Family Soul, and we're always talking about self care. I need to know, Stacy Abrams, what is your self care ritual? Do you do have something daily? What do you do for self so that you can go out and give all this energy to all these people because it cost I watched an inordinate amount of television and I eight books. When I say I watched a lot of TV, it is a bit absurd. Right now, I'm watching Eureka because I didn't watch Eureka when that came out before. I love it. So I'm on season five and it's really good. I'm waiting for The Equalizer to come back because I love Queen Latifa. I watched all of the FBI s. I think they're twenty seven of them now, um, yeah, I watch you on Order. You got to decide? Well, well know I'm on Lawn Order. Yeah season. Well yes, so I know they did all three of them on the twenty second, but I haven't haven't had a chance to watch. But yes, do you watch the first Law and Order? Because I watched that. No, he was on s v S VU was the tight. I watched all of the law I've watched Law and Order UK. When I say I watched TV, I okay, there's a Lawn Order UK? Yes, and is the sting to have an accent? Yeah? You know what. I'm putting it out there? Have you organized an outcast from Union? They will come? Well, I think i'm talking to the person who can make it happen. He's talking to you. I'm talking to h you know what someone should get out? Oh boy actually lives five minutes away from me. I'm just saying, don't have boy in his name? Yeah, the one that doesn't have He goes fishing in Long Island like four days a week. So yeah, I'll call it. But what are you listening to? Stacy? I'm curious, my my, So, I have a sixteen year old niece who now lives with me. All right, you know, so I don't want to tell you what I listened to because everything I say out loud she cringes at So. Yeah, most of our musical tastes are frozen from when we were basically between the ages of ten and twenty five. I have expanded my universe since then, but when it comes back to just the core narrative. But I'm curious, who who do I listen to right now? I just had to do some I just did a photo shoot, which that sounds so bougie, But anyway, so they play music because well it's awkward to do this stuff, and so they play music to relax you. So it was tribe called quest Uh, it was Whitney. Um, there was new addition, of course. I also loved Van Halen and Stone Temple Pilots. There was some Fiona Apple. Yes, I listened to a broad range. There was and I'm not just pandering. There was some roots. So was the last time you had to go to a show? Like? Was the last time you had time to go to a showy? Well, last night I was at Alicia Keys concert for fourteen seconds so she could say hi and thank you that yeah oh yeah. So once you step anything by Missy Elliott, you just get me hip up. And I have a deep, end abiding commitment to all of the fun songs done by Ludicrous he Day. Look, this is fun one because it feels like this is a ten minute episode of course of Supreme, even though I know that we've it was longer than Michelle out. Can you come back after you win? I can? You know? I really appreciate it, and you know you're you're an inspiration for it for a lot of us on the sideline that like someone should do something, and can I give people one more thing to do? I need people to vote early starting October seventeen, vote early, so Georgia has three weeks of early voting and the reasoning people to vote as early as they can early voting because we know suppression is on its way. We know they're making it hard to get absentee ballots. They're making it hard to know you're polling places. They've changed the rules. And if you go to the wrong polling place and you're in line for four hours and you get to the end and it's the wrong polling place. They will not accept your ballot. Yes, it's called provisional ballot. So the way to the way to overcome voter suppression is not to let it win by staying home. It is by overwhelming the poll with our presence. But we need to show up early. We get there the first week, we get all of the we know all the problems. We can get as many things out of the way, and so we're really just dealing with the biggest issues, but with fewer and fewer people as we get close to election day, show up early. If we show out on the week of October, there's no stop in us. There, he goes, it's happening the big day back. I don't even live here. I'm taking a cueue from I'm Finished Business and EP. Yes, this is the big payback for our guest today, Stacy Abrams. Thank you very much, future protus on behalf of no. You know, I believe in affirmation and and putting it out there won't be happisode to Steve like I'm p Bill you missed another classic and this is a quest love and thank you agatting Stacey having this. We'll see you next time. Thank you. What's Love Supreme is a production of my heart Radio. For more podcasts from my heart Radio, visit the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.