Of Course, Love Supreme is a production of I Heart Radio. This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. What Up. This is m pay bill for quest Love Supreme. Check out singer, songwriter and puter Tie Dollar Sign as you share some of his words of wisdom and top Growing up in the l A music scene, He's graded process and working with everyone from Baby Facing Squirrel X to Up and comber Tish Himan. This is a QLs classic Tie Dollar Sign from January seventeen, two eighteen and there let nigga Loody Washington. How do you know his name? Ivy Supremama roll call, Sma Suma, roll called sub Prema, Suprema roll called sub prema Submo. Girls in the club. You and my girls in the club baby, three oh girls, Suprema sua call subremathing, Suprema rod. All my name is Fante. Yeah, this is how we start. Yeah because I'm stealing. Yeah, all these bitches Hardsma, Subrema rod called Subrema suthing Suprema road called. My name is Sugar, Yeah, and Sugar is fine. Yeah, like the almighty Yeah Dollar sign. Bro call Suprima Suprema road call Subprema subprema roll call. It's like, yeah, don't like a batty yeah dollar sign y'all Yeah, Heysattie Sma su Frema road called sub prima suthing sing sub frema roll call. My name is ty Yeah Todd Dollar Beach House three yea in stores now sum roll call, Soma primo roll calm sum roll called roll Wow. Hey. First of all, let me just say ty thank you for your understated at lips. Because Shallie Wilson was running ham and chicken and dressing. He did the side, did the moaning, the plantation moaning. So I'm about to happen at midnight moaning. Uh, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another edition of course Love Supreme, Um, of course Love. We have a team Supreme. Here are we still here? We're still here? We we we were like we down a little bit, Supreme. We got post holiday Supreme. We gotta fin tigolo in the house or something. All right, are you doing? We have a It's all you and sugar, Steve. I never missed a show. This is true. That is true. That is true, Steve. He's the only one of us as perfect attendance. Other than no, I'm not I wasn't technically there for the picnic. Oh, I mean, I mean you showed up a little bit in and out. Yeah, you know, I showed up. But you know you do have perfect attendances everything. Yeah, okay, well I'll make sure you get the first step and everything is showing up. So what we learn elementary school? If necessarily hit me with this, so I'm sorry, I forgot. Forgive me, y'all school Anyway, Today, I love this show already. Today we got singer song right the producer Los Angeles still Los Angeles names correct? Okay, is everything fine? You know? Because I think, I mean, there's a big fire going on, right, And what I'm saying is some of the homies have had to evacuate. But um, are you? Are you fine at the moment? Yeah, I'm fine? Good? Yeah, okay good. Just one of the uh the lineage Royalty. We have a Todd Dollason in the house today. He's going to talk about his life journey for making on the ground mix tapes to singing over some of the notable producers that we all love on this show. Uh, Matt Lib black Milk still it even uh even with Sura I creative partners one of mine faith. Oh my god, it's almost ten years and really that's almost half old school when something's not this is a classic. Now, yeah, I guess fifteen years of old school, you know, I know the way music moves now like five years of damn in old school. Mean it's you probably got to ask the youngest one in the room about that. What'd you say, Todd? What's also the way the way my little homies just talking three years is also that sounds about anyway you like you're you're the o G homie. Uh And and right now he's here and promoting his latest effort, Beach House three, and uh, we like to welcome toy Dollards in the quest of man. Happy to be here, happy to being all of your presents Coming're happy to happy. We're happy to happy for sure. So yeah, Beach House three is out. Um one of my favorite projects up to date. Um, I got John Mary on my project. Man, that's like a big life goal for me, one of my favorite musicians out there, you know. And uh, my next project, I'm gonna have quest love you feel me putting up absolutely why not? You won't have to put it out? It was work I'm down. We only worked one. Well, you came on the show once. Uh I think, yeah, you came through. That was the first time he being on National TV on foul remember my first time also be together. Yeah, man, we're addicting the word time to get in that lab though. So you're all right, So you were born in Los Angeles. I was born in Los Angeles, raised in Los Angeles. I'm not like like when people come to l A and they have like bad things to say about l A. I feel like, you know what y'all have been like on the other side of Wiltshire, like meaning Hollywood and like, you know, like where all the out of towners be at. Like I'm talking about the other side of Wilshire, like the real l A. That's where I'm from, you know, um Inglewoods, south Central like Midtown like Inglewood, like Compton, like Long Beach. Like So what do you what would you consider Pasadena? Altadena? That's like, that's that's I mean, there's some homies from over there too. You know. You gotta you gotta a Pasadena guy in the in the booth right now, my security Brown, I'm quasi Pasadena. Yeah, probably did like two or three years and as a kid, well I was also three, So it's not much, I think. No, So it's if I don't know, like I'm one of these people that you know, because I'm in the industry and I have a lot of industry peeps. I will say that I think it's almost by default or fashionable for people to sort of disavow or disassociate themselves from l A. But for me, like I mean, whatever side you're on, either the hood side or the Hollywood side or whatever, there's always this thing of like, you know, l A is not real, it's superficial, it's fake. And but you know, I'll say for myself, l A is like probably one of four places that I still get excited to go to. You know, like now that I live in New York, it's like I live here, so that the mysteries going up. I'm coming to New York. That used to be a thing coming from Philly. But for me, I've always loved everything about going to l A and never understood people that were sort of like whatever, But yeah, it depends on where you're from. That's what the song that you did about l A that was like the perfect way to describe it. Like the feeling like everything. But I think a lot of East Coast people sometimes they come to l A feeling and sometimes because it moves slower, it's the opposite. It's kind of like the opposite more laid back. Like one thing I wanted to ask you is I was talking Um. This has been a couple of weeks ago. I was talking to Terace Martin and he was like, Yo, man, you gotta come to l A. You gotta come out here, Like the error is different out here. That was exact quote. He's like, Yo, the errors just different out here. You need to come and let's get in. Like creative always going to give you one of them famous you know, terrorists quotes, legendary quote. Yo, man, that was his is different. So like creatively, what is it for for you? I mean for me, Um, it's there, Like you said, it's just like when I'm here, it's one vibe. Actually, when I made that song l A, it was here me and kids would we both did our versus out here. But when you're out there, it's definitely like a a different vibe that you get. Beach makes a difference too, for sure. For sure, even though all the studios that ain't nowhere near the beach. So what are your views on New York? Like when as an l A native, when you're traveling to New York or whatever, do you it's the same exact feeling that you you said. I think, like I'm excited. I can't wait to get out there and just touch the city and you know the energy. Seven oh eight, I was here, me and my boy Parker, and um, you know, I was like in the studios trying to, you know, see who I could get a beat placed on. At that time, I was just doing a lot of beats, and I sunk and all that. But I wasn't like it was more so like focused focusing on beats and all that, and um, that didn't work out. So I end up going back to l A. I mean why she linked up. We made two it and booted and then you know everything. So I guess you should be noted that your father, uh it's a member of Lake Side and like just growing up in that he was Was he a original member in the group. He wasn't original member. He came later. When was this spirit um all through the eighties, nineties, two thousands so around, Like I guess when outrageous was tour with him. So were your backstage kids as far as like, yeah, for sure, backstage kids, studio kids. Um, just just all that period, Like what were you seeing that in your formative young years coming young years coming up? Just you know, Pops his homies Earth whenning fire, um Shallamar all the people from back then, remember them all like, um, you know they would come to the house sometimes when they would throw parties whatever, Um studios. You know. I remember like when when my homies around me started you know, smoking weed or whatever. I remembered that smell for when I was young. I'm like I always thought it was cigarettes because I would see the little roaches, but like it wasn't. Yeah, So out of that, Um, did you even as a young as in your young years, like did you have any desires to get into music where you just observed like I was just observing really, but like hearing like them figure out songs and like, uh, you know, writing songs together and then me going and touching the piano or touching the guitar and being being able to like play that same melody that I just heard by ear. That was like the start and once I figured that out, then my pops uh and to buy me an NPC, and then from there I gotta in Sonic TS ten and I learned how to MIDI and then I learned the the eight ats and all that. How were you when you started ten? I was gonna say, that's a little unusual, Like, yeah, I just wanted to drum set. I didn't want a damn studio quick. Look, I always wanted the drum set. But they never would buy me the drum set. I guess because it was made too much my mom's excuse. So you know, I wanted to be you bro, Did you play right? Yeah? I played drums, but like not like him. But I played drums though, So that's actually smart for parents to buy kids NPCs instead of drum kids heavy headphons and stuff. Keep it real quiet in the house. See, my parents bought me a drum, said because they wanted to know I was mby basement. Yes exactly. Like I met this other kid writer. His name was Troy, and his dad was and her brothers Johnson. He knew how to make beats George Johnson. Yeah. Yeah, so Troy taught me like what to do? You know what I mean? From like young and then after that it just we went off so growing up like because we these are people that we idolized, Like is this I mean everyone always says like you're just dad to me, You're not like like did you really eyes that your your particular situation was just a little bit different man your peers around the way or did that not face you at all? I mean it's great like everything, Like how do your friends, I'm sorry, how do you how do your friends at least in that in that time of your life, how do they accept your existence? Like because you're experiencing things that they don't. You get to meet. Yeah, like people like you know, friends from the neighborhood would think it was like cool and all that, but like really I used to want to keep it separate so people wouldn't like uh. I think it's kind of like when my daughter goes through Now, um, if I if I go to her school and she doesn't want me to like get out and you know, come get her like that, because everybody would be like now so like that it's crazy, so you know what I mean. And she's in middle school, so if I get out, then all the kids will come running like, oh, let me get a picture of Top Dollar signed out of and then she doesn't get to like, you know, being school. So I never wanted people to you know, know about that really are like, you know, be around me for that. So that's how that was. You know what I'm saying, Well, what kind of car are you pawing up? Pawing up to the school? I've been blessed. I'd like to take my I like to take my my driver, Matt up there in the suburban and uh not the suburban. It is pretty i gotta give him respect, you know, shout out to that. Yeah, you pull up in a fanom or some ship and it's like you're looking for attention. But suburban, that's pretty standard. Twelve year old daughter changes everything, not even just like that whole aspect. I'm just thinking it's just having the door to being Top Dollar signed. It's like sting, you know what I'm saying, Like listening and over the last two years, like then it started getting real like after ten, like where it's like, okay, she's got the phone. I'm like, play your music, play whatever you want to play, just hopping, play put whatever you're listening to one and like I can tell she's like, yeah, she's getting there. So I'm like, wow, I like that song you put out that. I like that new song. I like that. Okay, okay. Three came and was like, all right, I'm not gonna like yeah in the studio you have yeah snapchat. Oh she has a Snapchat Okay, so I gotta like, you know, she doesn't have an inst to yet. So I got like, how, I don't know how much more time I got you guys, You guys will be saying much more dad my biotide out radioed. So like, as a kid, it's gonna get better, though, I promise you all I would better. One thing I want to ask you as a kid, So, it was your pops. He was he played, he was played with Lakeside, it's your mom. Did she have any musical talent? She doesn't do music at all? And then um, of course after Pops and Mom's broke up, she didn't want me to do music, Graham, Pops didn't want me to do music. Nobody from that side was like a fan of the music. So you know, when when life started to happen more and I started to feel like, you know, I know everything, and you know I could do everything, on my own. You know, I was like in the back of my grandmother's career with my dad's side, you know, working and shout out to her because her birthday is coming up this weekend, and you know, everybody in the family's text to me. And I even go on Instagram Live earlier and one of my cousin gets on there like, yo, are you coming this week? Like what? Like, it's my grandmama birthday? You already know I'm gonna be there, like the whole family going. She's about to be ninety two. So you're still close to your family? Hell yeah, man, is it slightly different? Though it's slightly different for sure, like, um, you know with certain people, but like the real ones, like the immediate family is always regular, good new cousins Like but could cousins getting on you? Yeah, that's you know, like how how do you how how do you adjust to that? Because that's one of the I feel like that's one of the hardest transitions that one can go through when you're like an isolated situation and you get meteoric success. Yeah, it's like our six it's our thing. Yeah, I've learned with like all um issues, I like just if I really really, you know, mess with you. I'll give you a couple of explanations if it takes that many times, and then I'll just go quiet for a minute and let you figure it out yourself. And it seems that it's been working pretty well. People like end up figuring it out, you know, if it's meant to be. I had to sorry, like I just got this right. Sorry, Hey did your mother? When did she turn the cheek and go, you know what's on? You may have something with this um when you know, I came back at her and right know, she's always like supported me and she just wanted me to figure it out. But it was definitely that time where she was like, yo, so you know your videos out, your songs on the radio, but where's the money? That's not my mom? Yeah, I just had to nah, but you know, um, she was just asking where it is. She just always cares for sure, she wants to see make sure I'm on the right path. And I wasted my time. So I figured it out and it just took you know, consistency, and we made it happen. What was the how did you and Corey link up? Corey? Um? Me and Corey linked up through this random dude that I met at the Guitar Center name etcetera and etcetera heard me playing bass and he was like, yo, I made music too. I got some I want to play you and we went outside and it was like some rap music and it was dope. He was from New York and and I told him I would come out here because I met somebody online that I was gonna sell a B two at the time, and I end up coming out here. I linked up with him and when I went to his crib, it was in bed Styde and Corey was in the living room and he was making music, um on the laptop or whatever at the time, the desktop at the time, and he sounded like Raphael Sadik a little bit like I had a little vibe to him, and I'm like, oh, that's kind of crazy. Let's make a song. We end up making like three songs that same day right there. And then um we met back up at the Sundance Film Festival in Utah because I was like doing some music for some little film at the time, and um, we end up linking up at this dude Parker's crib, which Parker became my best friend and he still lives with me right now. And it's crazy, but uh, me and Corey end up making like a whole little project in a week at this dude Parker's crib and it was called Rong Banging One and we made Wrong Banging too, and end up linking with Who I Am and timber Lake and made a little situation and met all these different people. And that's all that did. And then I end up going back to l A. That's at the time when I was living in New York too. Then I end up going back in l A and um, you know, end up going back to my hood just you know, making beats and you know, making songs for homies around the neighborhood. And my big homie from my hood. I was like, yeo, I'm managing this. This new little dude, I think you should mess with him. He got confident on lock and all that. I'm like, all right, So I listened to it and it's just like jerk music and it's like, I don't know, bro, Like that's not what I'm on like, but he's like, bro, I promise you. He brings them to the house and I make this beat and instituted and Booty Beat and um I had sampled us the group called the I can't think of it right now. Um, I just sampled this record. My homie Corps just pulled it out and like I sampled it and did the little drums, and he came in, I mean my other cousin tcot hundred little TC that's out there him and Nana was like, make a song called too did the Buddha. I'm like, what does that mean? They like hit it and go. I'm like, all right, So I just come up with the hook and uh, y G does his verse, TC does his verse. We make a video with the homie uh, um James right nah by James falling Roy Uh my other homie James and right now James is like an actor and all that, but at that at the time, like he was shooting videos and all that and uh like on this old cheap camera. So we went to Doc Waller Beach shot the video. It came out tye dollar sign feature on y G and TC four hunt Booty. Next thing you know, there was a million view was up there like in a month, and then Depth Jam starts calling and they're like, yo, we want to sign y G. I'm like, all right, let's get it. Like however however is supposed to come? Like, let's get it. And of course they wanted to the boodh is the single and I'm like, cool, so we're gonna do a reshoot of the video. Right, it's with Colin Tilly who came calling from depth jam. Do you know Max Coops? Yeah, shout out to Max. So this dude, Colin, Colin Tilly is shooting the videos like his first video, like right before he got huge. He's like one of the biggest directors out there now, right, And the video drops and it says y G two and booted I am in the video, but it says nothing about Tyde dollar sign. Right, so I'm like, all right, like it's time to keep on. That's when my mom's that like everywhere, like where's the money? Next thing? You know? Um? Um the guy who I produced with a lot, his name is Jakas, So he ends up getting killed and um when he got killed, that like made me just like not even want to do beach no more. I was just discouraged from life, Like I felt like why him out of everybody was like one of the best people I know On Earth, so, um, you know why she's doing shows and he's having me come through and um, we started like making money. So he's getting ten thousand to come perform at little you know, little clubs in l A. He'll give me four hundred dollars coming to do the hook, he'll get j Muster doesn't do beats at this time either, and you knew Muster pre beats. Yeah, he was just like the DJ from you know, like the little homie that DJ. His uncle DJ T was the one who was DJ and during our high school period, like you know when I went to Dorsey for a second. And it's crazy because now like you know, his his nephew's DJ and or whatever. So we have him and you know, Chakaso gets killed. Um they need somebody because like now def jam sign y G and I'm not trying to do the beats no more. And Mustard comes to and he's like, yo, let me get some sounds, like because he's watching me the whole time and I'm not even like paying attention that he's watching, but uh yeah he I give him the sounds and he's linked up with this other dude, Mike Free, and he knows how to work reason. So he's teaching Mustard how to work reason, and you know, next thing, you know, Mustard pulls up on me on the brid and twenty one like a month later, like I'm about to pass you up on these beats. I'm like, yeah, all right, I just got married it on that Like I'm thinking, like in my head, because I've only talked to Mustard once, but in my head, I'm thinking, like it's just like Dexter in the lab, like some science lab, like he's going to revolutionize and and all this stuff, and you're just like you just picked it up one day and yeah, like seriously though, like I gave him these sounds and then he made Rack City, and after Rack City it was like chains, I'm different and it was like whole tape and like so those are all your patches. Yeah, man, my brother made millions off of it. And with the stars on the Cylin shout out to Mustard. Man, it was so good to just see like somebody like go from the guy that's like joking about moms and you know, shooting dice and just being like a young asshole and to turn it into like, you know, a super millionaire and like mustard y g all of all of us, like we all just like you know, it's just like where my mom's crib and making songs in that back room. And then all of a sudden, like we're all like we all got our own dribs. You know what we got to say? What was your weapon of choice in terms of production MP and uh I ended up getting all the keyboards, um bogs to uh two thousand ext shale Yeah. Um, yeah, that's when you got in this. People still make fun of me for not like and go of that, but I love it. I love it, and um, I still use it? You still Yeah, but hang on, James Poison hear that it's still usable anyway. And um what else fruity loops? I like fruity loops now, Um, you still use fruity whips? Yeah? Sometimes, like if I'm on the plane and I just have my laptop and I feel like making music and not watching the movie, which I'm not like a TV movie watch a guy like that, unless I'm like, you gotta be productive? Yeah productive? Wait, so has okay for gooding my ignorance. I would assume that fruity Loops has updated since the Day is of little brother, right, I think so the last time ninth, Oh, thank you so much. I appreciated. Yeah, ninth he sent me a back. I mean, this has been god. This was like twenty fourteen. He had went back on fruity loops just for a while. Ninfe was using the MP. He left and he went back, he went to the MP. Then he went back to fruity loops. And so he had sent me a fruit some fruit loops batch. And now I think he's uh, strictly on machine. That machine is kind of like what everybody is. I mean, that's the thing now, which is kind of it emulates the MP a lot, but that's what I think. That's what he's on now. But I think, yeah, the interface has updated a lot oh too when we were doing it on a compact, I hope it shouldn't upgrades. And then so you so and and making beats. Who were you looking up to when you were well? First of all, I was looking out to Dila, I was looking up to Mad Live East Swift from the Alcoholist. I was looking looking up to black Milk Um, Dr Dre, Dad's Dillinger Um. There's so many people, man, did you ever get to meet any of people you idolized to get damn near all of them except for mad That. I talked to him on the phone and we were supposed to link and then the day came and then he didn't answer. That's cool now he just he just he goes. I want to work with him one day, and like, he's probably one of my favorite ever. Um who well, like yeah, everybody, I've been meeting him and it's been a blessing. You are a real head to the bone. Yeah, yeah, I like all kinds of music though for sure, Like you know, um, I mean, what's your childhood record collection look like compared to now, which is more playlist based? But yeah, everything I said, plus like you know, the singing is the singing and stuff as well. Um, one of my favorite singers ever Stokely from Man Condition Still. I like a lot of gospel. I like Kim Burrell. That's my my my favorite female singer ever. Right, I played in church. I played bass, and like I was learning watching everybody, what was that that you did? Like on the keys? What was what was that chord on the orger? Okay, then watching the choir director and how they like you know, come up with these harmonies and give them to people and like that's how I like I do my harmonies when I'm singing, And um, yeah, I think that's really an underrated part about you. I really did give vocal arrange, right, she is dope. So I definitely studied like everywhere I went and picked up something and all your music like yourself taught like you never took formal lessons on any of the instruments. No, and not really. I did take like a class in the ninth grade, like just piano, and it really to me it was just like, Okay, now I know how to read a little bit, but I can figure it out anyway, so it's not gonna Really I love your answer When I asked Tid what instrument? How many instruments does he play? He was like, well, if it has strings, and you know, you can play it with some sticks. And what was the other one? You said, I'm hitting it exactly. Did you guys ever get to me because I know he's like one of your shook his hair one time at a party late night in l A And then um, one time I went to the Saturday Night Live after party with you, and all of a sudden, Prince hopped. You were DJ and that night and all of a sudden, Princes hopped on stage and um, Taylor Swift right, what not? Taylor, I'm trying to who was it? Yikes, I'm trying to. I'm now it was a lot of Prince parties. I know, I know, I know, I know. Oh at the forty at the forty, yeah, is that okay? No, No Saturday Night Live, because in my mind I was like, oh God, he thinks I'm someone else, and I was like, wait a minute, this does sound familiar. No. Saturday Night Live had their forty of anniversary, and that's why you know it's weird because the freaking NBA All Star Game was the same day. So I planned on going to the Saturday Night Live forty anniversary special, but I also at the DJ the NBA All Star thing at New York, so I did, like, up until halftime, I did DJ something and then run to thirty Rocks. So I totally missed the fact that Kanye was the musical guests at uh SNL forty. What he was on his back? What I forgot what song he performed? Was it? Well, yeah, he laid on his back. It was like something. Yeah, he did something where he laid on the ground. Okay, yeah, I came in like right when I was getting getting done, but I totally forgot that. Yeah, that was my only time ever getting to see him performed. But he just got on. I think it was that random or was that planned? Oh? That was super random, like everything that happened at night. I didn't even know that he was that. Yeah, okay, people just ghost in and ghost out, but no, none, none of it was planned. And yeah, that that night was super magical, like Prince. Basically, Jimmy just said I think Dave Dave Chappelle whispered in Jimmy's are, like, I think I just saw Prince walked in and it was just like I think he just walked in and they willed it and then Prince like floated to the stage. He just floated to the stage. He did Let's Go Crazy for ten minutes and then uh floated out of there just as quick as he came in. Yeah, how did you um the connection with Sarah come about? Because the other because the end of Joint like that's I mean, I love that record. I appreciate it. So chords my homie. He was like he played it for me one day and then I ended up meeting them through Steve Thundercat and uh, we just went over to the Saura house that was like up in Silver Lake and we just vibed and we just kept on making me like song after song after song me shot feet tas oh mas and they end up using those two and as many. Um, those are just the big homies. Man. They just taught me a lot, you know what I mean. They took me on my first Europe run. That was how I first met ya. Um was that where they took the pick up Paris? Yeah, and um, that's crazy man. There be any situations that make you go I mean, even though you were born into you know, musical royalty, at some point you gotta look around and go whoa, Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah. The thing I noticed about your journey, like before you you say that you were mainly focused on making beats. When did it become clear to you that you're singing really was the thing. I guess that was gonna take you off the top. I just had to get confident in it. Uh, that one situation to get back to it. When y g Uh got his first like ten bands and gave me four and gave Monthly four and I saw him walk away with the rest of that money. It did something to me, you know, I felt like, all right, it's time to like get out here and like figure it out and do my own artist thing. So I put out The House on the Hill, which was my first solo tape, and that had this song called All Star Wars. My homie Fuego had sampled Swedish House Mafia and we flipped it on some like l a like drums and you know, tempo or whatever, and I did a straight smash to it and it took off, like on the radio stations, like from you know, the whole California, Arizona, moving on to Texas. And then he got shut down. We got sued um for putting it on iTunes without clearing it with Swedish House Mafia, which I thought it was clear, but somebody lied, And you know, I was gonna say, how are you able to move mixtape stuff to mainstream radio level? Because I already had two the booted and already had thought this time, already had all the DJ's Now because from two and Booted Um, I'm performing at all the any of it. We're there, like we're just pulling up everybody. Who's your who's your good? Like when when when you when you got a new jowin that you're ready to put out. I mean, now it's different because you're an established you know, who's who was the first person for l A? Like wh who always tell everyone? Like who changed it for us? And like who gave us another chance? Because when you look at it, like after the game, there was no l A. You know what I'm saying on radio period, So um, DJ Charisma my home girl out there, she is the one like who got like everybody's music played. I feel like, um, shout out to everybody else, but definitely DJ. So that's important to you for l A. Just still have an identity, to still have a sound, to still have a figurehead representing because you know between at least for my prime era where it was dangerous, between no, it was life third and you know it's like East coast, West coast, you know, and then suddenly you know, after after two thousand, to just stop being so regional, and I know that the game's arrival. Yeah, the the Internet made everything regional or not regional anymore, and so you know, I know That's why the game was really being celebrated because it's just like, Okay, we're still you know, but for the generation that you represent, even though you're kind of more like heart wise because you came in so young, you're you're ahead on our level, but you also represent in the next generation millennials or whatnot, Like is that still an important thing to to to have? Like yeah, I think it's important to be yourself wherever you're from and to definitely represent you're sound and your people and like, no, we're not all the same just because the Internet is Like no, like I ain't trying to hear that, Like if you come from New York, you're supposed to sound like you're from New York, Like why would you sound like you from because we have the Internet? Or Atlanta is in the streets. I was happy ship because at least for when you came out, I was shocked that, I mean, you're your your first major single was like nine beats per minute, which as a deep you know, just during the period between like two thousand six and kind of now, uh you know, everything was you know, trap level seventy b pre pms and slower, and so I felt like Okay, you're defiantly going against what mainstream expectations are and you're keeping it at that level. I mean, I'm just at a place where it's like kind of jams like it like you get two steps to it. It was it was actually danceable, you know what I mean. Um, that's always been you know, I guess like when you think about the l A sound, it would be Dr dre Quick, you know when you think back back then and now for us, you know, we had to like when you're in there when you go to these l A parties, when you go to these like I would say one of the things that runs the cultures still to this day has always been timely to clown, right and tim me to clown is like this guy that comes through with like this uh you know van or whatever and has speakers on it and these clowns get out in their clown dances like everybody's music. Yeah. Still when they start started when I was a kid, like, there's always been telling me the clowns going to the wrong parties out there. Yeah, and then that that that ended up going into the what do you call that? The crumping and like they had a movie forward and rise. Yeah, and if you pay attention, like they just speed up everything and like that's the l A sound. And then like even like the Bay, like their sound is the same thing, like sped up. Like so that's where we come from. You there's that music too, you know. But it must make you proud R and B wise, because it feels like the West Coast are really taking chances with R and B. Between you Anderson, you mentioned Thundercat, Like do you feel that do you feel like R and being sold music that y'all are kind of doing things a little differently over there and it's working. I feel like we're all doing different things. Anderson is a movie. Shout out to brother. I'm so proud of like him and everything that he's doing. That he's sticking to his stuff. Imano MARII, Yeah, that's that's my bro. He's sticking to his stuff and like killing it. Um so many people man, So as far as Miguel shout out to Miguel, the album is a movie, so how okay? So for the title R and B, which today is so blurred, I mean because you know, now, even when Chris Brown is in the news and depends on which news wire is reporting rap star Chris Brown. Yeah, I don't see rapper Chris Brown pop star the next game last night to put rapper ty dollas on the screen, Well, that's what I was gonna ask, Like, how because I just feel that black culture has just gotten sort of defaulted into rap culture. Everybody's Raptor do you feel as though, even though I mean, your music is as edgy as you know it's it's so immersed in hip hop, but you're clearly singer, Like, do you still feel like you need to hold that flag for R and B or what it represents or is it just like, Um, I feel like there's real rappers out here and like they deserve to be like called rappers, not me. You know what I'm saying, I don't even deserve to be in that conversation. Um, I sing for so for show and I would love if people would just recognize that. But my boy, Rosenborg Rosenberg, he told me, he was like, Yo, your name is like kind of rapping bro. I'm really hard guy. And if you just take a picture and you're like, oh, R and B do no, you could be he could be. You could be the way Wigs two point over yeah, I was. I was coming out of the smoke shop the other day. I'm just like old bald white dude, like he's bringing the boxes off of a truck and the trucks are like, let's juice. I'm like, yo, what's in there? Because it says sangria, but it looks like a kid's drink. He was like, no, it is a kid's drink. It's just that's the company. I'm like, all right. He was like, you know what you look like? You look like that star like them guys from the eighties. They were singing that song that they weren't really singing, and he was talking about that they were singers, right, So I looked, ye, look like they were pioneers. They actually put out another if we're really gonna they were finding Milli Vanilli would go off without a hitch today, like it would be they died for us and every man. That was It's funny because I was gonna ask TIGS, since everybody's doing the nineties thing, is it certain groups that you just don't touch? I was thinking Millie Vannilly was one of those, Like musically, since people are borrowing so much and you know you do weeting with Jack because like I think my old manager, Kevin Allows, he wrote that song for them. Yeah, we had him on the show. He told us that whole story is like he was like girl and the ship was on TV and the video came. He was in bed. Yeah, man, yeah, so you like following up with here saying about the nineties. So on the UM, I'm I'm tripping. I can't remember to tire, but that's the one you sample only you. Oh yeah, my new song X feature yeah only buy one to um. It was funny Bongo and hit maker. They they sent me this song and uh, the beat it sounded like it sounded like Mustard did it. You know what I mean. I'm like, bro, if I want to miss it, I was gonna say, wait, all right, I'm so glad you said that because when I first got it, I was waiting for his tag, right because usually when I DJ, like when I DJ and I always go like two counts before and I sit on the beat hole and I was looking. I spent at least three minutes looking for the tag like maybe I missed it, maybe I missed it. And then it just hit me, oh maybe he didn't do it. Man. So I'm like, you know, if I want a musch to beat, I go get a mustard beat, Like I don't want it. But then I end up, you know, according to it, and I started loving it. And then I'm like, all right, just take off the muster drums, bro, like, let's just bring back the original joint, you know joint. And yeah, I'm curious about how because it's someone that grew up in the nineties. I always thought of the nineties as an error where it's almost kind of like you had to be there, you know what I mean. Like I just like knew Jack swing. As much as I loved it, I didn't think it translated into now, like you know what I mean. It's just like versus like the seventies when cats were sampling seventies ship, I got it, When cats were sampling eighty ship, I got that, But the nineties just seemed like the most unlikely error to be sampled. But yeah, but like y'all, like it's kind of hard to like sample because the swing that's when they was using that weird as like you said to Jack, it's like the little corny baseline exactly, So like that is not gonna work right now, I don't think, but the hook melodies and like, you know, so that's what is drawing people. Okay, Okay, I got it now, Yeah, because I heard you. I mean I was this to it and I was like, he's singing over only you. But I'm like, man, like that's I never would have thought that that could be reappropriated into now. But I mean, the ship is dope. Though somebody will figure it out. I still appreciate the didn't I think I think I've read um At one point, I didn't realize this that were you not almost gonna sign? Which he sounds uh? At the time, I think Dominique Trunier had a label um he used to manage D'Angelo or someone associated with Venus Brown. Was he was part of that label or whatever? Like were you not? At one point? And okay, then there was a rumor. Yeah, yeah, I was curious to know. So, I mean, because you kind of cover a lot of ground in genres, So how did you decide on Well, first of all, how did you and Wis link up? And how did you decide on the label? Um that could say Okay, this kid does this, he does this, he does this, he does this, and they were like, Okay, we can figure out how to market this because I mean you can do R and B. You can't do it, probably can do like House or whatever. And for a lot of labels, whereas as a music fan, for us that's like Wonderland, but for a label that she can be a kiss of Death because they're like, what then do we do with all this? So after after the House of the Hill, Uh, I go to Depth jaff dr Jeff jam right and at the time it's uh, Karen Quak, I think Max s cous just left, says Karen Quak. And there's Chris and the coops here right, and um, I played in my record and Beach House right right before I drop it the first one. Yeah, I mean House on the Hill before I drop it. And they're like, Yo, it's incredible, it's dope. You've got some crazy songs. But it's like, Yo, you got a house record here, you got, you know this, you know slow song, you got this, l a song here you got It's like you've got so many things. Bring me back a project that's just like cohesive, like one thing, you know. So I go and make Beach House one. But when I make Beach House one. I, Um, I get cool with this dude, Sean Barron and Atlantic and there's this one song that I didn't include on Beach House one and it was called Fumble, and I end up giving this songs and since that song went and they end up making a single, ended up going up. Atlantic was like, all right, you know, let's talk. So then I have paranoid and you know or not and everything like crazy Beach House one, Beach House too, Okay, So Beach House one Whiz calls, he d ms me on the Twitter and he's like Manti Alredy met him through Terry Smarten during the after the time core of days, but back to making beats trying to figure it out. Um. He hits me on the d M on Twitter and he's like, Yo, we've been playing Beach House one on this tour, the whole tour of me and the guys. When I get back to Ellie, let's work. He ends up coming back and we make like eleven songs and one night and uh hours, yeah, like less than twenty four hours. How do you work that tax? Because like literally literally like if you have like a pack right now on your laptop and we put on the mic. I'm gonna just lay hook after hook after hook after hook after hook after hook after hook after then we're gonna come back. I'm gonna see which one is worthy of a you know verse, you know, and then so that's your songwriting process, Like you listen to the beat and then you'll concentrate on what the hook is, first hook or verse like whatever just comes out, like just put it on. I'm going there and just you know, blaze up and figure it out. And then some are great, some are good and worthy of like selling to a feature, and some are all give me, so give me an example for song like Paranoid. Yeah, you're first here in the beat and you're just add alive, Mike, honest, Paranoid. That was like, uh, the third song I made on that beat. I knew that beat was so hard and like certain times you'll make a song that's just like whatever, but you feel like that beat is so crazy that I need to give it another, you know, another swing. And then I was like the third one I did on that and uh, I just knew it. It felt like the bat felt epic enough that you have to put yeah, and when I when then when that hook came. It reminds me of when I was a kid and I first heard like Poison by BBB. I felt like I tapped into the this is hard, but I'm singing, you know what I'm saying. Like it didn't feel R and B. It didn't feel like you had to feel like how when you say you look at me and it's like, yo, you look this way, but you're supposed to be R and B. Like I felt like, yeah, I can look like this. It's still singing like be me. I see whatever. You want to be black man? So how long will you let the how many minutes or days or whatever? Will you let h time go by before you're just like it's not coming to me. Let me go to the next track and then uh, as soon as it's just as soon as it's not coming, then I go to the next track. That doesn't mean it's like not a good track, just not right at that second. I just wasn't meant to be. That's what I felt, like, what are we doing with the order? I just had? I have such a horses in the stable question, horses in the Okay, that's a title. I'm a little what you mean the song okay? Okay, yeah, the sight of the I know, sometimes because get mad, we we break the lineage. I know, if he was going beach House, gonna keep going. But because I was thinking at a random thought about horses in the stable and coming up with that, and I was thinking to myself on the back of the twelve year old daughter conversation, I was like, with horses in the stables, so what I've recorded it still now, um the song is so great, you know what. Um My home girl, Tish Himan, came at the end of the album cycle of etc. And she was like, I got this song. I wrote it for you, and I think, like you should record it. And I'm like, yo, tich, I'm done. That's her. That's so yeah. I'm like I'm done, Like but like, let me hear it. And she played it and it was so hard that they're mixing in the other room and I'm like, you know what, just give me a mic in here, and I go on the vocal booth, set up my laptop and like the little pro tools and recorded it and like adding my own little thing to it. And it was it. I'm like, I'm putting it on the album, just like clear get it clear like however and like they got it cleared and it's one of my favorite songs. I think the people love it. But guess what. I walk in the main meeting at Atlantic to where it's like the three bosses are Um, Craig, Calmen, Julie and Kayser. So, Julie, what is that you are? You are you referring to women as hard as listen? But I can't ride. But you can't you can't listen to it again, It's not like as bad as you think it is, like Um, shout out to Julie and I you know, Dollar is not a misogynist. Dollar does not hate women like I love women and like I love my daughter. It's weird do you have a lot of lashes with Julie. Julia's world famous for those for that, you know. But it's a weird time though, right because it's kind of like you're right, like especially now because that independent women everything that's still like a good you know in w a you know, don't matter, just don't bite it or whatever. In my head, sorry, I wroll fantolo like that's the right. Yeah, you've been someone for life. That was that was my go to. It was all good, okay, the world's biggest I think it's just like a but you still things like our songs, like like just on some you know. That's just how we'll be talking because it's nothing that bad. It's just kind of bad. But exactly what use is culture is kind of like but a lot of people. Yeah, so that's cool though. I'm happy for the next chapter, beach Out four. Right, yeah, my sister man, please don't go holdtep on beach Outs for please keep it Ratchett, you collaborated with Tish on the stealing joint. I mentioned it in my vote call. But um, how did you record that? Because the vocals on it, it sounds like it was separate, yeah or what. I don't know if it's separate. It sounds like you were just in an open room and it is just This is one studio on Burdbank called Wayman Sound. Don't steal my studio anyway. I can't remember. You think I've been at the studio. It's right there on Burbank. I think I know what you're talking about. To get paid, but like, um, it's a solo like one man studio. Only one artist can be there in there at a time because there's only one room. And I like that because certain studios in l A like people's find out you there because me, I don't even put my name on the door anymore. It's just a private session, but people will find out you're in there and just feel entitled like that. Yeah, Like I hate that. So now you know, I have to pay for a security guard to be out there, which is boof Like I don't have to spend that extra money for security standing on you know, I'm not Michael nobody there, but I have to because I like my privacy when I'm working so I can get things done. You know what I'm saying. And is that you're playing acoustic on that one? Um nah? That was Titches homeboy who you know she originally made that song with. And is that you on the U or is that baby Face playing baby solid solid base got you? I'll let h our audience know that. Uh, I'm kind of considering I'm a tissue is definitely going to play a major major role in this next one. I mean we did we did uh, we did a good I mean we had like a mammoth five day like twenty four hour street just sleep over at Electric Lady Studios, like sometime last year in which how many songs are on our hearts? I have like at least three hundred. Yeah, they're like a hundred full songs. I just mean sketches or whatever, but another two sketches or something. Yeah, so it's like three d total. But I mean tissue is definitely going to you know, she will be a major presence, great human being, great soul, all that can. You mentioned him, but you kind of did it fast. And we actually interviewed baby Face and I asked him about doing a song with you because I just thought, WHOA, I was surprised, not you know, just not si surprise, but a pleasantly surprised um on your side. How do you can you tell a story of that and where you're scared? You just was like, I want baby Face, And that's what it is, man, The story of time baby Face is super legend. I came in. It was, you know, already set up. He's there by himself, him and his other boy, and then his other boy leaves and we're chilling like he's just playing guitar riffs something like that's dope, just freestyling and who else is in there with me, I think my sister my sister at the time or whatever. So uh no, Nate Nate mahomie Nate Nate three D. So Nate's rolling up for me and I'm just freestyling and ship. He passes me the joint I lighted all was setting me and face was just okay, that's the one. That's the one right there. He starts, he starts to play solid and I started coming up with the hook, and all of a sudden, his boy walks in. He's like, face, don't want you to smoke. He was like, you know, just come out here and come out here. And I'm like, wait a minute, I'm sitting here in the man's face and he'd just saying nothing. So I'm like, how the fund did he like like he had like telepathic powers or something, so like his er with a bad sign and like called him in there and he told me don't smoke. But that was cool, you know, his face like all all respect. I just like had a non smoking session and the song came out cool, and he had nothing but great thing to say about your interviews. Yeah, he's amazing, And then like he shut up to the video in a stretched limo what was this. Yeah, like thet now it was like by the beach somewhere like offen Ventura County. But like that was his only requirement, just send him, you know, stressing him straight. And it was never any thought to have him singing at all because I always thought that was interesting too, Like I wanted them too, but he felt like I think he did backgrounds on there. He did, but he just wanted me to just do my thing. He was like, Yo, that's it. And I couldn't believe he was like loving my lines and he recorded me and everything like like like trying to get him the vocal produced me and making a big face song, but he was just loving everything I did. So we got back in to work on Beach House three. I didn't end up using that song, but we're gonna get back in again. I love working with him, he loves working with me. How did the jacket Ass session? Going about the uh jacket as straight up? I've known uh jacket Ass through uh my me Pune, so she's from every sitting on the somehow. It's crazy. Yeah. So, um, once I got that song done, there was just like one line that I had said about jacket Edge and you know, I wanted them on the song, so I called him just like to see if we can make it happen. And next thing, you know, they sent it back like all the kids was like, Daddy, you better. I once read a friend of mine, she's an interviewed a couple of times, Rebecca Heath Coach. She's right, l A and um, I read the joint you did with her. I guess it's maybe like a years ago, but you were talking about how you understand your pops more now that you have a daughter. Yeah, what's that journey been like for you? Like your relationship with your dad and your kids image Like say, if your parents break up and mom's is always like talking down like you know everything wrong about him, and it just makes you hate him more and more and more and more and more. And then I have a daughter, and then the difference between me and her mother, like and everything she's saying and I'm sure she's saying like all kind of crazy stuff, but like, yet I've been able to hold a you know, a cool relationship with my daughter. But just seeing that I figured out like, oh okay, this is why I was like, you know, listening to her, it wasn't really like how it was between us. So that's why that's why I said that. But I was wrong, and my Pops definitely is the reason why I'm here today and shout out to my Pops. I couldn't have done it without you. What's your relationship like now? Um, we're great. He's always you know, put me onto different things he's into and I'm I'm putting them onto all the new stuff and any questions about you know, his you know, the old stuff, he can always be right there to answer. Like the other day, I was looking for that tonight is the night that Betty right and I couldn't figure it out who was and call him like who's that song with that? Uh? He's no, what is that singing? I'm like, you know, want to be like, uh good, oh Betty right? Like see, so Pops is always there like for those moments and for you know, just being a dad. On your records, you got um TC. So just to clarify, we were speaking offline like before. So Little TC that's your cousin that is with you now, and then big TC that's your brother that's locked up. He's on um, well, he's on he's on campaign and he's on free he see as well, and that's him singing. How so is he first? Is he your older brother? Younger brother? Younger? He's younger? Did y'all I don't know when he got like how did y'all ever clap when he was out? Yeah? We uh always like just sung around the house and like recorded songs together and like just trying to you know, made groups. He would have this thing. I would have my thing, and you know, when my parents broke up, he went his way. I went my way. And it's like, it's definitely important to who you hang around, man, because I felt like if he would have been hanging around the people I was hanging around, and I would have hanged hanged around the people he was hanging around, it might have been you know, because he's I mean, I really like his voice and y'all sound like brothers, Like he sounds like you. But y'all it's dope, Like it's y'all sound like he might be better than me. Man, shout out to bro um. You know she is getting worse getting better. It's like the people got a curse. Nobody say together, cut my people down, killing off each other. No, ain't no Justice for the brothers, nonse or something that he didn't do. So with free TC if if if anything, you know, we rose awareness for sure around the world for the social injustice and everything that's going on. And like I said, I took every bit of the money I made for that project and put it back into his case. So God willing, you know, we're gonna get some results real soon. Uh. D Loc who was also featured on Free TC. He was right next you know, he was with my brother and he's out now, he's out here with us. I started my label, the Movement, and I got d Loc, I got TC, I got twenty four Hours, I got Joe Moses, I got Tish and we are here. So the um No Justice record was that? And the autobiography is that? Like what happened with what were he's singing and what you're singing? Yeah? Um, we definitely spoke up on it. Yeah. I mean, I know you have to be sensitive about what you can say, but I was listening to it, I was like, hold up, do you know do you need sound that they tell the truth. It don't sound like just something a song, you know what I mean. I'm like, it sounds real yeah, man, it was crazy. Like once I feel like once they get on you, they're just beyond you, and like they don't want to look stupid for being on you still figure out a way to like just make it solid, you know, without it even being solid, and he got, you know, put in the twist. But like I said, we're working on it, and God willing, it's happy. I swear we're working on it. And free TC went gold finally, So shout out to team Donald and everybody that stream didn't bought it and oh hopefully and purchase. We're gonna free TC. Yeah. Yeah, that's the most important part running running a team. Now. Actually, I want to I want to bring this back to Sara because I'll say that for me, one of the major, most major disappointments I've ever had was watching their situation implode because for me, I always felt as though, UH tribes, people people that move, people that move together UH can get to their destination faster than just individual artists. And if you look at the history, especially with hip hop, tribes moved together in other words, I mean Wu Tang clan, you have to associate it with the individual artists. Math the Man Red Man goes yea like all of them as individual artists moving as a unit, and even for people that are not part of a movement necessarily, like you look at look at Puff Sarah. You might call the Jiggy era or whatever, but you still think of Flossy Rappers, you think of j you think of Puff, Foxy Kim like, and they all moved together. Um, the same with Native Tongues, which was groups of groups tribe. They lost so old jungle brothers. And so when Sara, when Sara came along, especially with them in their association with Jay davey um, yeah, with Georgia and and all that stuff, I was like, I was just listening to Georgia like all morning, She's amazing man. Yeah, and it's like for me, I was so elated because I was just like great, like someone gets the whole like gathering of the tribes together and and move it along. And then like, I mean, I have my thoughts on why. I mean, I'm not you know, like my fear was that because when I saw their approach, I was like, yo, they're so fresh. But I also knew, you know, like post j there's well swagg Well swagger Jack and sort of became legal in terms of I mean you can say swagger jack or whatever, but like where you just drink someone's milkshake and you know they fresh let me, let me see what they got going on, and then you know what I'm saying. And for me, I was like, and I told him, I said, yo, just I want you all to concentrate. A lot of people are gonna look at y'all like, yo, y'all the new thing out. I want to be down. I wouldn't be down. And I was like, just ignore it, get to the goal post first and then start your your associations and that. And then it's kind of when you came along, I was afraid. I was like, oh man, I'm afraid. And I called what happened. I call what happened, and it's like they got excited and then a three years and then yeah, i'man. I canna say the same also with with with uh well, what would have been the odd future movement and that whole thing. So watching that situation implode, um, First of all, how did did that affect you really? Or is it just like, uh well, if that they weren't let me move on and you know, start my own thing like how do you keep your tribe and your family together and and working and active? You see you like I've been too many tribes, man, I've been too many tribes. I had to just keep on working when other people like give up and feel like, you know what, I put my all into this, I'm not about to do it again. Like I still have some more you know what I'm saying. So now I found like the right tribe, like the right team, and like that's that's important now because I mean your stuff, man, like I want I was going to ask you was just like with the time Corey stuff, with that situation not working out, I know a lot of cats that would have called it quits right then, like because y'all were making some cool ship and a lot of times the thing that I want people just I guess kind of understand about your story, Like a big reason why we want to get you on the show is because I think like a lot of people don't really know it, Like they just see you as like the hit maker that where you are now, but they really don't know your grind. And like I remember the first time I played I played and if for like a friend of mine and I'm like, yo, you know who that is? Right? He's like I'm like, yo, that's top dogside. I'm like, no, that's Todd. That was before he was who is. But this has been a process, you know what I'm saying. It's been a it's been a grind. It's really been a grind. So how how did you not get discouraged to? Because I I knew people now that even on their fifth attempt at climbing mountain, they can't you know where I funked up? Because like I put so much time into like doing music and letting music and only care about music that that's like what I knew how to do, so that if I didn't do this, and it was like all right, okay, I'm selling weed and I'm doing all that, but like this doesn't really make me happy. I really have to kick it around these weirdos like like you know, so I just stuck to this. And then once once why these things started taking off. That was like so inspired and then like all right, I don't want to make pizza anymore. J kaso diet. Then most of started taking off, and that was so inspiring. I was like, oh ship, we could do this. Like it was time, and like I just came in at the right time, and you know, so technically all right, just treat me like a five year old with this question. Uh was, yeah, I'm I'm no. But in my head, like I thought that Mustard was starting a crest of a new movement. But is he still rolling with the original cast of characters that came in the door with him, with y G, with you and anyone else that was associated with all of his sonic assault of two thousand thirteen coming in the door? Like, are you still gonna work continue to Yeah? I think like the sonics is changing, and like everything is. You know, Mustard got his whatever he's doing, y G. You know he's got Fox Hunted Mustards ten summers. I got the movement, and we come together as full hundred summers the movement. Um, we're gonna work hy G and Mustard working right now. Um, I just said why some new music? When I was out do buy Like two weeks ago, me and Neo linked up and we just like made songs for a week. We sit y something. So what's your creative presence? Like do you write and record every day? Is it just kind of when you like whenever I see something like this, I get excited. Man, like the room, the people, everything, Like it's like a couple of million dollars right here, you know. Well besides that, he was like, oh man, I could we look at it? Like man, right right again? Man, you do most of your recordings still at the crib. Uh, what's your set up? Home? Set up? Is? Uh? The setups everywhere so down. Like I finally bought a drum set and like I got it fully miked, and I got a baby grand and it's fully miked. And um, I've been buying a little drums from everywhere I go. I just came back from Kenya about to bring something back. Um, you're performing in king You're just can I tell y'all the like Live Nation is really planning their feet in the African market now. So like I'm wondering why they've been so late. But it's cool late. Why they've been so late on bringing me there, because I don't know I had that many fans, Like it was like five thousand people out there. It was just like initially, I mean, there's always been a desire for artists to go over there, but you would have to have a lot of money, like there was a point where I think, like when Miseducation was really popping, like Lauren and the Roots, We're going to tour Africa like in whatever. But because there wasn't a Live Nation, there's not a promoter there in the government money. Yeah, there's a lot of funny money over there. Something happened there, right, it was. It was like a lot of scammage going on. Uh, let's just PC. But if I could tell you like the sixth close but no cigar moms we had with Africa. But then like suddenly, like I guess like two thousand nine, like all of a sudden, like Buster was constantly going to Africa. I'm like, what you know that we don't know? And suddenly like Live Nation has reps over there and that come back. So now yeah, like Africa is now an option for artists to go to now employing people, not just buying people in the best energy ever continent. Have you done South Africa yet? I haven't, Man, they wanted, so I'll be out there soon, yall. Now you'll kill it over that there. They love you were going to um Legos and March different. You gotta you gotta go and visit the shrine. If you if you go to Legos, you gotta go to too fail out shrine. Like it's still very active and still a musical spiritual experience, so familiar. Yeah, I just want to hear you were what's your what's your micro choice like at the crib, like what what might you like to use? Obviously hunted? Yeah, my voice is like hell a bottom heavy, so that brings the brightness out. Um, but I have every mic. I got the Norman's just in case whoever comes over. I'm a gearhead for sure. Um. Then I got the old way of protels where everybody feels like you need the full rack. Then I have the laptop with the duet and of course like what I like to record on the quick way because you get the same you just take it to the big studio and put whatever you want to put on it, you know. Um that's about it. When do you think you you mentioned earlier bas eight guitars acoustics. Yeah, damn, we can't have fun man, all right, bro, I want to buy roads next I don't have one. Yeah, I'm buying the roles. That's that's so crazy because like you're moving like all my homies. That are keyboard players. They swear by like all the virtual entries like dog, I just gotta chronos, I can. I wait, yeah, like they. I was watching video with a frid Fred Gregg killing games and he was playing it was some new virtual joint and he says that's like his main thing now, like it's the roads like they. What's so dope is that the patches on these keyboards now are song titles. I saw Story, but yesterday I'm still this is this is four weeks after I did that. I g story, Like the song titles are endless. Like I was only in one uh what do you call one channel? I didn't realize that it's letters A through G. I was only in the letter so yesterday I was in C and it was like, I mean they had the funky They literally have funky worm Chris Cross I'm sorry Criss Cross jump patch, but literally g thing but matching it magic and I mean it makes it will put programmers out. Well, not that programmers like Stevie Wonders guys are Mary's not like they're they're in business to program anymore. But now it's like there's literally no excuse for you did not find the song you just typing the song title and you know you got your patches. I was reading that you were saying, um, we're working on Beach House three. There was a lot of records you had to turn down in order to get it, and I was curious to know, how do you how do you determine what is for you versus what it for someone else? Or or like, how do you make that determination of I this song, this feature is worth my time versus you know what that I'm gonna do this and how it makes me feel at the time and what I'm on And for Beach House three, I started with Message in a Bottle, which is the last song, which a lot of the homies be like, yo, you tapped into the time Corey vibes, thanks man. So anyway, uh, I started with that, so I felt like everything had to be as good as that, and I knew I wanted to do a lot more singing so I could like get this whole the rapper tide dollar sign thing you know away from me. Um what came next after Message in a Bottle? We did so am I okay? Um so my famous and side effects. That's all my homies. Pooh bear, He's just like solo. But he's amazing. Um, I've known him for a while. He's been in the game for a minute as well. He wrote Peaches and Cream from one twelve back in the day, okay, and like he also wrote um justin Peeper's versual deth Posito and he good for a minute. Yeah, wow shout. What was the difference between the like the campaign and uh and beach outs? Because at first campaign was a mix tape and then Atlantic put it out, Like how do you differentiate between what's the tape and what's an official album? I would have loved it to count his album. Um, that's some of my favorite ships on campaign, but I guess I didn't do my business right at the time. I'm learning, Um, you have to like go through the album cycle with the lawyers and all that, but for you can't just give him a record and be like this album whatever, alright. Cool. So so you basically said here and they were like, nope, mixed tape. Yeah, because I wanted to drop it immediately, and like they were like you, if you want to drop it immediately, you have to do the mixtape. Yeah, Like it just couldn't get cleared in time or whatever the case. So you know, it came out as a tape and um still had campaign on it and Zaddy and you know some songs that people love, so shout out everybody this dream campaign. But does but does that also mean, uh that you get to control your mix tapes? Like do they own the master to the mix tape? Or is it just like like how is how is that I've never released a mix tape. That's a different error. It's just that that's the movement. Yeah, yeah it is. But I meant like, do you get the own your masters and everything if it's a mixtape? Okay, but they'll promote it for you. Yeah, just so that okay. So it's sort of like them handing out the flyer at the end of the night, right, helping you out. I see that. So by now I imagine that you're wishless for working producers, musicians and artists. Is kind of being chopped down, right, because you just said you walked in here and you're like, shoot, I got John Mayor this album. Yeah, I mean you got John Mayor, you got, you got, you got everybody like you got baby Face, you get So let's yeah, Ki Cutty, haven't done that. Okay, yeah, yeah, it's not like a no brainer. We'll get together soon. There's a lot of people I still want to work with. Um think any other the Jagged Edges type of people that you want to wear like nineties whatever you Yeah, you know, the song would just have to come up first and just here and feel it and get it done. You were seeing me and Charlie Wilson had a song too that could have went on Beach House three, but uh, the song is amazing. We'll see, we'll see what happens with here first. Would you consider doing any Yiddish folk songs Onach House? I don't think I'm gonna make a beach house for Actually, I'm gonna, you know, think of a new time bees a lot closer to it now. I'd imagine, yeah, I got a long beach beach house, but like, it's not the one that I you want. I'm gonna still like, um, where's the dream to get the dream one? It could probably be in um, you know, Malibu, Star Island and Miami or you know, there's many There's gonna be many beach houses. You know. When my life is looking to say that my nigger, Yeah, when do you think you when do you think you gain confidence as a singer, because you're saying earlier you know you weren't really confident in it. I gained confidence, um when I've seen why g walk away with the rest of the Brave. Yeah, we talked about it. I said it. I said it a couple of times. That motivated men. He said, you got one more time to mention that the interview. Yeah, well for sure, definitely. That will definitely change you. Man, when you see it's possible, like when you guys have just been working in the back, you know, of Grandma's crib, and then all of a sudden you can go get paid for real people want to pay for this. Let's go get it there. That's that's really words it. It really is hell. Yeah, you see the niggas you walk up a four hundred dollars he walking up with ten thousand. Yeah, I'll be a singing ass right time. Man. We we thank you for coming on the show today. Thank Youwhere this is not mine? I actually stole the froom back. You hear that, James, make sure put it that. No, man, We thank you very much. Um on behalf of sugar. Hold up, damn, we forgot real quick, Master teacher, can you get that the original original sty woke? How did that come about? Um? We were just uh five and over shot Peak's house in Georgia. That's a gang of people on that song, Georgia, Balo, the whole family, Erica, dude, everybody. It was just a vibe there. Yeah, and I just did like me and Corey did one part on there, and you know, Georgia did a part, and this person did a part, this person did apart, and then you have master teachers, stay woke America America. Can we officially say that she bit of that term I stay woke? Be careful. That was the first place, That's the first place I've ever heard it. Yeah, I'm just right now. I'm gonna just say that. No, no, no, he definitely got Okay, Damn. I think she might do. Yes, she might have. I don't even want to say bid it. He might have just found out. But I just found out. It was a great for those that we've been saying that. That has nothing to do with staying woke. I hate when people do that. I didn't thank you, not not you. I'm just saying, like when artists do that and be like, oh, you bid me like you know it's up in the air. I didn't have like many songs like when I made Saved, like J Cole had a song like the same time, and I'm like, no, uh, I mean I put out another song where I did this or n I didn't. I didn't try to say people beat me. I just said the best or na and then you had yes you have the defend not thank you. Um, There's been many songs like that with me and uh Chris Brown and uh who else. We put out the Meek Mill with the Tony Tony Tony sample and it was like some other song that had the Tony Tony sample. They thought we copied them or come on, man, a man like there's only twelve notes on you does the loudest. Yeah, but no, man, just thank thank you for coming and just I mean for us to sit here. I just want to say I'm a fan and I really just to have watched your journey and where no way you started the way you're taking crazy because I'm a big fan of you, Like, thank you brother. Like in my old whip right, I had uh you know how we all had CD cases like the big and I had all your times, all your joints right, and then somebody broke in my ship and took all of my CDs and I just never went and got CDs. While I have the cases still at the christ but the actual CDs were in that book, and like it just pisces me off every time I look at the cases. Mind me of the late nineties early arts where you had to have like the travel cases. Yeah, the big liked changes in the back. Oh yeah, they would have it in the trunk. It was really bo you had the CD change in the trunk. Jesus Man. That was the original on demand it was anyway on behalf of Sugar Steve Fontagelo. It's like EAH and unpaid and Boss Build. Last words, absent bills, absentee bills. Anyway, thank you very much for coming on the show. This is question Man Cours Love Supreme. We will see you on the next go round only on Pandora. M Cours Love Supreme is a production of My Heart Radio. This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. For more podcasts for my heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.