As Questlove Supreme's Black Music Month programming continues, revisit this 2018 conversation with singer-songwriter Tawatha Agee as she discusses how she rose from her Gospel choir beginnings to recording Mtume's hit single, "Juicy Fruit."
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What up, y'all, It's Laiyah from Team Supreme. Okay, So it's June, and you know it is Black Music Month. Now, This month and its cause was started by my godmother, Dianna Williams, the legendary Kenny Gamble, and the great and right back in nineteen seventy nine after being invited to the White House along with the Black Music Association. Now, the Black Music Association was a group of black folks that were the best of the best of the music industry. I'm talking record execs, I'm talking radio people, I'm talking artists. I'm talking to everybody from Clarence Avon and Frankie Crocker to Percy Sutton, everybody in the middle right. So they all get invited to this big party on the White House lawn June seventh, nineteen seventy nine. And before the performances started, President Carter said many things addressing and reminding people of the importance of black music. Monk, and one of the things he said was end quote in may ways the feelings of our own black citizens throughout the history of our country has been accurately expressed in the music, and it presents a kind of history of our nation when you go back and see the evolution of black music word. So we've spoken a lot about Black Music Month on Questloud Supreme and this June we are running a different episode from the QLs archives every single day in the name Spirit and Cause of Black Music mom. Yesterday we reran an interviewed with James M.
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Our guest today is probably one of the most connected artists to the world of music. There's literally any is there anyone you have not worked with?
What was the Close? But no cigar?
Because this is your studio work, this is live. You sang with everybody.
True, I wanted to work with Bonnie Rape, but she doesn't use female.
Welcome to one and only.
Really, my my dream is to just name an artist and.
You give me a story. But I actually want to know where were you? First?
First things, first born in Pittsburgh, raised in Newark, New Jersey.
You were born in Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh.
Don't ask me about it. I don't know.
We left you. I was like one, No, oh damn, I was over to a connection.
No.
I I did a hard time at uh the Carlton House back when that was your chruggy.
Your shoulders station square doesn't mean anything to.
Newark, Newark, I know Newark Citywark.
So your family was from Pittsburgh and they migrated to Newark.
Yes, Pittsburgh by way of Alabama, Talladega, Birmingham.
Day and night. Okay, yeah, I love that.
That's what people know about.
Okay, what how many siblings do you have?
Like?
What was your I have two older sisters. I'm the baby.
Did they sing as well?
No one sings in the family. Wow, No, my father hums.
So wow. Okay, we never had this as an area before.
Yeah, everyone comes to a musical family in the show.
Except so, how did music enter your life if your parents and your siblings.
Weren't well church of course, and I always listened to the radio, you know, listening to the music on the radio, listening to pop radio, R and B radio in Newark and you know, constantly radio and books.
That was it for me.
Was it tolerated in the household because normally the common thing with our guess is like, you know, secular music.
Oh no, no, no, it wasn't like that.
We had the ink spots and Ruth Brown and you know, twist and shouted Isley Brothers, you know, things like that.
So they were music fans, but they were fans.
But no no singers in no talent, well, no singers.
Musical with a with an F.
I was saying that that that's uh, the the the.
The magnit magnitude of her presence. When she walked in and Fante said his name, She's like, oh, with an F. And he just confirmed, He's like, yes, anything, I'm not gonna correct ms. Twatha, So uh, with with your like how did music enter your life?
Then?
With I meant outside of church as far as you wanted to take it seriously.
And church foremost, foremost. And I played for my church choir when I was a little girl. And I went to a music and arts high school, and then I went to Howard and uh graduated from Howard and that's how I met uh uh in to May and uh and the rest, as they say, is uh musical history.
What period of what year? What period did you go through? Uh Howard at Howard?
Yeah, oh I was.
I went to Howard from seventy one to seventy five. I graduated in seventy five with a bachelor's degree in music education.
Okay, everyone that I know that is going to Howard in the seventies has the best stories ever. Like Greg Tate tells me about seeing uh uh Hathaway.
No, what's her name? ROBERTA.
Miles Davis is uh Betty Davis, Betty Davis a homecoming one Yeah at.
Hampton at Hampton Auditorium, uh Crampton, cram Crampton Auditorium. Let me see when I was there, it was Pharaoh Sandra's for homecoming. Pharaoh Sanders Miles Davis and what for for homecoming?
What was the holiday like for real? Doing to shoot it dance?
So it was was that choice for you guys? It was like, all right, we get Parris Anders.
Well, no, no, no, I was into gospel music. It didn't I knew who those people were, but I didn't.
I didn't go to see him.
I never went to a party at Howard I knew. No, never never know church girl, did you chill on?
And so never just stopped in the yard just to chill and talking.
Yeah.
What what I would do was in my dormitory. We had a piano.
I would be in there playing gospel music and people would come around and listen to me play.
What dorm was the Meridian Hill, Meridian Hill off campus.
Any I know uptown any pre and to me, uh, Donnie Hathaway interactions whatsoever?
Donnie was Donnie was had graduated by the time I was there for Berta and Donnie had graduated. But when I was there, when like I said, gospel was my roots. Richard Smallwood was there. Richard Smallwood sang in a group. I sang in a group with Richard Smallwood and and Angela Winbush was also in my class.
Yeah, it's hot tea good good.
Oh yeah, can you explain hot too?
Oh well, look, we had no imagination. It was Tawatha Elet and Angela elect Rix who was t e a well, a phenomenal, phenomenal pianist, you know, on par with Richard small Wood or any classical pianist you would ever want to to hear. She's she lived in Sacramento now. So it was Tawatha Elet, Angela Shelton Beckton, who is.
Now he's on Broadway.
He does Uh, he's music director for Audra McDonald and uh, let me see who else. Tawatha let, Angela and Richard that was it, and Shelton Beckton. We were hot tea and two May was looking for a group to produce. A friend of ours by the name of Louise West, who was an attorney, knew m two Mays. She said, come on down, listen to these kids sing. We sang for him. We did some demos. Uh that really didn't go anywhere, but I stayed in touch.
Okay, what was the gospel circuit? Light like, were you doing any gospel circuit? Whatsoever?
We were?
We were We were pretty pretty popular.
Our gospel name was Genesis, but there was already a group called Genesis, but we didn't know that there was, you know, because we didn't listen to that kind of music. So back then, no, it wasn't like that. You know, we didn't take those kind of liberties. But you know, we did pretty well. The church people knew us in the DC, Maryland, Virginia area.
Any notable churches or notable acts that we were knowing today that you guys would run.
Oh, no, you know you're talking. This is nineteen seventy one, seventy two.
So no, I can tell you people that I liked, but I didn't work with them.
We'll not work with them. But I'm just saying, like.
Well, who were popular at the time.
Did you like?
Oh?
Who I liked?
I liked well, of course the Hawkens, Walter Hawkens, not particularly Edwin what Walter. This was Oh my god, this was before Kirk Franklin. This was this was like James Cleveland, the Hawkins, Murna Summers, people like that. I like the Mighty Clouds of Joy. Yeah, yeah, so you know, things like that.
So those church services were Oh, but we had a band.
I went to the Star Bethlehem Church of God in Christ than v Yes, And so the church had a band and the band was really really good.
And if you've done your research you would know.
I did a song called By the Time I Get to Heaven, which had a big band. But I was like nineteen years old and I sound like Minnie Mouse? Was that your first was that was my first recording?
Really?
Yes?
I was so excited we can find this.
Oh, I don't know if you would find.
Oh, trust me. We were digging it.
Up Star Bethlehem Church of got in Christ, real youth choir. Yes, from DC.
When I always wanted to know when churches visit other churches, is it almost like a battle?
Atmosphere is intimidating? Are they sitting there?
You know you had to go and do your thing.
You know it was competition, but healthy competition, healthy competent.
Did you find it?
Come on?
Now?
What's her name?
Oh?
My god?
As long as you don't have a picture, because everybody had afros? All you said it was like lollipops, beautiful afro. No, But I mean, is it it was a battle?
Is it intimidating at all?
Oh?
No, You accept a challenge because that was healthy. That helped you grow. That helped you become better on what you were doing.
Okay, so we found uh that's Atophone last Supreme Exclusive.
Yes, nineteen year old star him you youth choir. Yes, and this is seventy one.
Early seventies.
And this was recorded in the in the church.
You know, it was live.
Everything was live. We couldn't go to a studio.
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Yeah you can hear the remix.
The base is so loud.
Oh yeah, absolutely, of course.
I wish I went to.
Wait it was it was a it was a set every Sunday.
Do you guys have to see? All right?
So we're sitting here at this table. It's like three four beats that can be made. It's why here and it just from the styles the standpoint. I'm listening to it. We listen to it for productions. My day's trying to figure out the time listen.
But I also was thinking, wow, I really missed out on church experience. You just don't go to church missing out. I think my left me budget friend. If every Sunday I went to that as supposed.
What was the size of the ensemble, Like.
Let me see, it was maybe four piece uh band and it was maybe like thirty or forty singers.
So how do you.
Uh managed to to finagle your way into uh a lead spot?
And is that a coveted spot? Well?
I was selected by the choir director, right.
But how's the choir director? Now the forty of you, who's my most dependable?
Well, you know, I guess I was a new girl and he liked how I sounded. I mean, you know, it was very shy. So that was me like coming out.
You know what I'm.
Trying to actually get at is I know that a lot of uh mavericks in our business have to put in a lot of hours as far as practicing and rehearsing and that sort of thing.
So I just want to what was the choir rehearsal one night a week?
Did you know?
Service on Sunday? We would visit other churches.
I mean that was it wasn't rigorous rehearsal.
Oh no, no, no, no, no, not like that.
Okay, sorry, I just see another one of my favorite gospel singings is on that Star of Bethlehemy's choir album.
Crystal Merton oh, yes she was.
Yeah, she went there to.
Love that.
Yes, she's great. Sorry, no, we have in a moment.
I know you had a favorite gospel artist, Crystal.
Crystal Cool.
I grew up on Crystal. Yeah.
So once, uh, you were done with Howard, what were your your your plans and your goals did you have?
What was your major at Howard?
Music Education?
Okay, so you wanted to do something in music.
I wanted to be a music teacher, and I thought that that's what I was going to do. Got out there were no music positions available, so I was I started to sub and you know, you know how subing is. You get up and get dressed and then they don't call. So then I called him to May who said, give me a call when you come home, you know, from school. And I called him and says, well, you know, I have a few sessions coming up.
Would you like to sing?
It's like sure, And it got to the point where I would be making more doing a session a week with him than I would working all week as.
A substitute teacher.
So it's like, I think I'll try this singing thing. And I've done it ever since. And that's been like since nineteen seventy six.
What were sessions paying at that time? Oh, oh my god, was.
In nineteen seventy six, Yes, yes, it was sessions. Then you would get maybe three hundred dollars for a song.
Okay, and that would be just for singing background.
That's just for background. Oh yeah, oh Lee, just more, even I knew more. What be for a solo?
You know?
Is that multiple times in a studio for one song? Or is that just no one session like a day, like every day you get three hundred dollars.
No, no, no, no, it wasn't a session a day. Maybe we'd do two or three songs a day until it would be that.
Per song, you know.
Was it like a community of of you know?
Well, when I when I hooked up to May, No, it wasn't because he was They were trying to do like a self contained thing.
But I did get an opportunity.
To call uh Luther for a session because he had a big jingle out for Juicy Fruit gum and I liked his voice. I called him for a session and uh for a m session by the way, and I called him and Gwen Guthrie, who notable back then. Gwen Guthrie Brenda White, Luther Vangolslani Groves. I called all of that because and they all had a connection with ROBERTA Flat who am two May and Reggie worked for for minutes, so you know, so I did have an introduction to them. But I called Luther for a job and we hit it off famously, and so you know, I would try to call him as much as I possibly could, and then he called me for work. And then after while I was, you know, one of his core singers, and I went out on.
His first few tours as a solo artist.
He seemed like he was one of those go to people back and then who had who knew where all the gigs were?
He only knew and he did them, and he did them and he was kind enough to you know, to to pull me in. And then that's how I met Phonsie and and that's been a lifelong friendship.
Side note, Bill, since you're connected to Sesame Street, did you know that Luther was on Sesame Street?
I did the first two years.
What was he doing? Just singing?
Singing? What was it?
It was a group of him and Nile.
Him, Nile, Robin Clark, Fonzie Thornton, Nat adele yea all of them. Oh yeah, because there are a lot of photographs with them, and I did years later, I did Sesame Street also as a singer. As a singer, I did like I am Chicken, hear me roar you know, you know.
And I'm still getting royalty. I'm still getting royalties from that.
Yeah, good for you.
Can your mail stack must be fat every day like it used to be like that.
Oh when I was rolling, Oh girl, you know, I wouldn't go to the bank unless I had X amount of.
The checks to deposit, right, you know, it's like, oh, that's beneath me.
I only have eight Yeah, and now I get checks for twenty three cents, So I mean, you know.
So when you're when you're grinding the pavement for these background sessions especially, was it mostly in and uh recorded work or was it jingle work.
Or Oh, in the beginning, it was recorded work record, yeah, jingle records. And then after a while the jingle people wanted, uh, the the the singers who sang on the popular records. And that's why I got into jingle singings, because they didn't want it to sound so generic anymore. They wanted it to be a little more soulful and we'll have a little more personality.
So with with with that, uh being your hustle and that tight circle, because those are the names I always see, Sponte, Thornton, Lannie and all.
Yes, So was it a first of all?
I mean, it's like six, six or seven of you heavy hitters, but I know mostly background vocal background work is requires three or four singers. Was it so much work to go around that you didn't feel a certain way if you lost the gig or like who determines, Like, okay, for this phil Simon project, I'll see you you and and you well.
For Phyllis and two May was the producer, and I was a contractor, so I could call anyone I wanted, So.
Of course I got first.
I got first dips, I could call whoever I wanted and whoever I got along with whoever I thought would work musically for whatever song we were doing.
How much yeah, how much prep time does one have as a background singing? Because I almost feeling like the prep pressure, no pressure is you're at half court and you better sink this ball in or right. So have you had situations where you might take a chance on a newbie I'd like to sing, and you.
Know that No, no, no, and for sure no, because when whoever singing with me also represents me.
And I had a reputation of reputation to withhold.
And so if there was somebody new, I would work with them on something else, but nothing. You know, I couldn't bring them in on a on an a teen thing. I couldn't do that.
But there are some how does the new jack sort of get ushered in? Well? Did you usher in the new jack?
I did, and I tried to do that, but of course during that time, people had other ideas about how they thought they should be in the business, and after a while they thought they.
Knew more than the person that was bringing them in.
And it's like, oh, I have to cut you off because you're not willing to learn.
You're not willing to learn.
You think you can come in with like everything out, ass out, you know, chest out, And it's like that doesn't doesn't work like that, because at the end of the day, you have to be professional, you have to sing, you have to get along with people. And then and for my work is I got a lot of referrals. I never had a business card or a manager I just got by on. You know, people wrote him out, so that meant a lot to me. And you know, you have to t MA always told me you have to remember what you represent when you go out, and so I tried to instill that in the singers that I tried to bring up.
Who of the clientele that I mentioned, who is the fondest memory of your of everyone that you work with, who is your like?
Ah? That was I always have great sessions with no doubt.
Fontie Thornton, Fonzie Thornton. That's that's my That's that's my ride to die.
Why is he so unlike he? He is everyone's go to guy for singing. I know he had solo records, yes, Why why was he such a close banown cigar? Like he should have been a contender?
He do you always have to have the cigar?
No?
Well, okay.
On the other side, well, you know the thing is everybody doesn't want to be in the front. I mean I was happy just singing background, and I was happy to sing a background.
It just so happened we had a song out that became.
Number one, and then I had to be out there. But it's not that I couldn't handle it. I mean, because that's from my church background. I can handle a crowd, I can't handle audience. But you know that wasn't my goal was not to be in the front.
Well okay, but in the case of Luther who started out deep in the background and naturally became a star, were there expectations for Phonzie Thornton to also following in the footsteps to Well.
You know what, We all did sessions and then we all had opportunities to do solo records, and then if that's where it took us, then that's where we would go.
But if not, we could always.
Still do that.
I was like, oh, well, okay, for.
Me, it was another project.
It was another project, and the thing was to get the projects, get the union time in, get the you know you know, yes, yeah.
So can you talk about what you love about background versus being out in the front.
I love the support of it all.
I love seeing the band playing and everybody's participating, everybody's making a contribution to make something whole. You know, whether it's Lenny Kravitz out there, whether it's the Dave Matthews band, who I absolutely adore.
It's like it's always a learning experience. I didn't have to be in the front.
I enjoyed participating and making something and creating something that the audience was gonna love, so we didn't have I didn't have to be in the front. I'd be so happy singing behind the curtain as long as I getting the same money.
Talk about it, do you prefer as far as when you're doing session work in studio?
Is it is it mostly separate sessions? Are you in front of the artists?
Like sometimes I'll call background session or whatever and nobody's around.
Just meet the producer and the.
Artist doesn't have to be there. The artists doesn't have to be there.
Because when I was coming up, the producers knew what it was supposed to be. You know, there weren't ten different people doing the sign doing ten different things. The producer knew what the parts, or the producer and the contractor because usually the contractor was also the vocal arranger.
So so in my case, I would hook up.
With him two Man and Reggie to see what they wanted, and you know, they get the song and you know, we create some background parts and then I'd go in and teach the parts to the singers and then we you know, go on, Okay.
Who was the hardest What was your hardest challenge as a background singer as far as someone that you know is a hard task masker or songs that you had to go over and over and over, take after take after James Brown.
Well, that for me, that didn't.
The only time time that happened was when I was doing the Songwriters Hall of Fame and we had, you know, there might be ten people on the show, you know, so we're we're in the house band, so we have to learn all these background parts for everybody, right, and then it's almost over and Barry Manilow comes in.
Someone has expectations and he.
Has a seventeen page intro.
You know, he's got we got seventeen pages of music for his his his opening, and it's like, oh man, it's and it's tomorrow.
The performance is tomorrow.
You read on site, no, okay, what that mean?
Say music?
People put I don't read, but I could spell because because I used to do jingles, a lot of jingles, and people would always tell me, you know, you have to know how to read to do these jingles. And then it's like what and the thing is if the thing is only sixty seconds long. If I can't remember something that's sixty seconds long, then I shouldn't even be here.
So you know, my parent, I'm sorry, mom My dad lies to me.
No, he was like, you know, real musicians and you know, you got to learn to read and d d and I'm in the case of Quincy Jones, he would also say, like, it helps to read and put something in front of you, But I always felt that those who read didn't something.
Something was missing and it was and it was never whatever they wrote was it was they We never ended up singing what was on the paper you put your never never because it's like it's too sterile. And you know, some people's like, well you you can't change any of my music. It's like, well, okay, we'll sing it, but it's not gonna sound right.
So the option is to demo or to read it, right? Is that what you're saying, Like, either you can hear a demo or you have to read it.
You should be able to do both.
But the thing is some people who just read, you know, some people read fly Doo doo.
You know what I'm saying.
But it's like, yeah, I almost feel like I was as a youngster, I was told like, you won't make it unless you read, Like.
At least it's good to know. But I haven't had to.
Use it rummers for no reason at all. Yeah, but if you're if you're reading, you're listening. I feel like that's the big thing. It's like if you're too focused on reading the piece of music. Because I can read music and I.
And I suck as a musician.
Was terrible hears because I didn't. I didn't grow up as a person who listened to things. I grew up like it was visual with me, Like I saw the notes on the page and that's what. So now when people are like, what quarters that, I'm like, nope, nope, he.
Has a non reader. I'm programmed to absorb like long phrases.
Yes, that's what you're great at.
Yeah, I'm not, thank you, just not.
This is my confession.
I admitted, so of your what what were some notable jingles that you've done that we might know, Oh.
Burger King, Kentucky Fried Chicken, when the airlines had individual songs?
No, no way, that's too early, right No, no, no to that was you No, no, no, that was.
Was mostly group stuff, you know, but Burger King. I did have a like a solo, okay. And then but my first foray intol like loving jingles, was hearing Philisheim and singing.
A Burger King commercially, she said, and she was singing.
It was like ooh that hot and sizzling bacon. It was a bacon cheeseburger. It was she did a jazz you know what I'm talking about.
It was for mc d l T.
I think it was Burger King. I remember it was a fast food.
I remember, okay, okay, I remember thinking about the invested.
McDonald was.
My favorite favorite commercial, straight up all facts.
I got moonlight in my head.
That was.
By day.
So I would take it that you're one of those singers that you know that you can dissect within four seconds even someone's speaking voice, if if they could sing or not sing, like just based on or that.
Who are your who are your idols?
As far as not favorites, like oh I love this record, but as far as singing, like who is your You're Michael Jordan.
You're you know Michael Jordan's singing would be any of the Clark sisters.
Oh wow, okay, any of the Clark sisters.
Yeah, I just saw my first Clark Sisters show like two weeks ago.
Man, did you enjoy it?
Snoop brought them out, Yeah, gospel in essence and it was amazing.
You gotta played a dance record in you'll mix sometimes.
So yeah, all right.
Besides the Clark Sisters, I like the Clark Sisters. I like DJ Rogers, Yeah, remember yeah, DJ Rogers I like And these are like not not like the famous famous people, uh, but they're famous anyway.
Let's say DJ Rogers Karen Clark.
I like all younger woman mis letusy, miss lettus.
She's a she's a real she's she's good, She's really really good.
It is easy for her. That's that's the talent.
But I also like.
Richard Smallwood even though I you know, I went to school, I went to school with him. But he's just such a talented singer. But he doesn't sing as much as you know. You hear his songs, but you don't hear him singing that much. But he's a great singer. I also love I love Marvin Marvin Gaye nineteen seventy five. I want you any cut on that album. It's just amazing. I like Leon Ware, which is like almost the same, the same thing. Yeah, and who else love Little Jimmy Scott, A Sarabon, Doug, Jene Krn, Jeane Karn. But the jazzy stuff, the jazz stuff with Doug and Doug and Jean Doug and.
Jane Karn and uh oh yeah, so how how how influential is I know that you were committed to gospel and yeah, but uh, as far as jazz is.
Concerned, how how influential is that?
And oh no, no, no, no, no, no, it's it all depends on if it's somebody that I like, It doesn't matter what they're singing. Uh. It could be jazz, it could be it could be country, it could be anything. So I listened to a lot of music all the time. That's all I did.
Read books and listen listen to the radio.
So whether it was W A B C or W in New York or cousin Russie, or whether it was a W any W which played like Frank Sinatra and you know it was the guy uh.
I left my Tony Bennett. You know, I listened to all of that.
So I would incorporate all of that into what I was trying to do. So I took a little bit from everybody and you didn't try to and just made my own gumbo.
So what was the proposition to join, uh the into may Bind When you guys first started, I think my I don't know if it wasn't In Search of Rainbow. It was the eighty album that came out in nineteen eighty. You guys were on Soul Train.
Yeah, so.
I wasn't doing anything else.
I needed something to do and if I could make a few coins, you know, and if I could support myself and doing this something that I realized that I loved. You know, It's like, well, then this is what I should be doing, you know, and just luckily. I mean, but I you know, you know, your parents always tell you you have to have something to fall back on.
That's why you went to school.
But you know, by the time I needed to fall back on something, it was way too late for me to be teaching. So I mean then I just went to the next adventure I call adventure in my life. So either it was singing background, it was doing jingles, It was going on tour with Brian Ferry and Roxy Music, which was the first time I went out of the country.
It's like I'm a girl from New York. You know.
When I checked into my room in England, it's like I thought I had Brian's room.
The room was so big. I mean, I didn't know. I didn't know.
I'm just the lowly background singer. So it's like, you know, it's an adventure. My life has been an adventure, and every group that I've worked with it it's taken me to bigger and better places.
So we've had James and to me on the on the show. Yeah, previously, yeah, I always. I know that you also work with Reggie Lucas, his writing partner. Can you describe, you know, because I don't know what was Reggie like to work with.
As far as Reggie, we called Reggie Lucas. We gave everybody a name. We called Reggie Edgy Edgie Lucas. He was constantly like twirling his hair trying to get get stuff done, you know, twirling his his frog, trying to get stuff done.
He played the guitar and was like, why is it so loud, Reggie, why are you playing it so loud? You know, it's like the guitar.
But you know, but then I realized he was definitely one ear. I didn't know, so why didn't know, didn't know, didn't know. But Reggie was cool and he and them too may they worked well together. So and I was just there. I was there for every single session. It was so new to me. I would sit on the sofa at Sigma Sound while they were tracking every song that they had written, and it's like, oh my god, I can't believe I'm sitting here watching this stuff being created, and then for years later for it to still stand.
You know, that's that's you know, that's.
You were there for, like the beginnings of Closer. Yeah, you know, you describe it.
You know, how to love me because I used to sing the reference I sing the reference vocals for each artist that they produced, so you know, I was pretending like, Okay, you know I'm not gonna be in the front, but this is going to be my chance to pretend I'm at the front.
So I sing my little song, sing for Stephanie, sing for Phyllis. You know, it was it was great.
He told us that one of his artists followed her to the t uh, that that she demoed the song, and that uh they were they were so impressed with your performance.
I was. It wasn't Phyllis, it wasn't forget the song.
Oh it's too hard.
Stephanie and Stephanie and I sang two Hearts because we had to, you know, put the song down for Teddy to hear, and so Stephanie and I went in and sang two hearts.
And it was like you were, yeah, well I wrote that song.
Yeah.
So it's like, you know, I'm singing.
At first, I sang the whole thing, and then they decided to make it a duet, you know. And then because Teddy was like a you're gonna do this duet with Teddy and and Stephanie. So it's like, okay, now let's do the reference vocals. So Stephanie and I went in and sang, and it was the battle Royale.
I loved it.
I loved it, and I have so much respect for her because it was like, okay, two little girls, two short girls, two munchkins at the mic, and it's like dump, it's getting higher and higher and high, and it's getting more intense and more intense.
It's like, oh, it was.
A heavyweight beout, and it's like yes, but but we both wanted it was like much respect because people don't do that anymore. It was, it was great, and nobody can find the tape.
Nobody can find the tape. It's like, where is the tape?
Was?
Casey might just need to have you to re recorded.
I'm down for that because Stephanie's my girl. Oh Stephane, my girl.
Supreme compilations.
Look, Stephanie Mills and Philip Hymon, the big ups to them because they were the most amazing people on stage. They gave great performances and it's Stephanie still doing it.
So with Well, now now you got confused. No no, no, no, well, because the thing is is that only in movies I see people recording tandem, like at the same time. Oh yeah, And I always say to myself, oh, I'd never do that.
I have them do it separate. But then I'm like, wait a minute.
You get the vibe from the other person, you get the vibe from the other person, You gotta you gotta have somebody standing there.
They gotta be singing.
So y'all always like I do stuff alone.
Imagine it sounds like in my head.
Because we'd be tracking the songs and I'd be singing and singing. The reference while the band is playing, and I do always come up with here comes the bridge, so they know when the bridge was coming in, you know, like yeah, So I mean I love singing with singing off of somebody. I mean, you know, you gotta, you know, you gotta have something to bounce off of.
Who's your other favorite bouncer outside of Stephanie most Worthy?
She's most most Worthy? I love her. Let's say Luther Luthor Luther.
What's it like working with Luther?
Because I there's there's there's only one clip on YouTube of which he's teaching his background singers different parts, Like I think that Adeley had a camera running and this during the maybe the night I felt loved people, it was like yeah, I felt like two hands were on the on the camera.
Like the thing front. But it was it was amazing to watch.
But then I don't know with I mean, musicians are intimidating enough.
How Luther was a he was for real, like even we have Michael was Michael Brown.
Yeah, he was saying like the engineer yeah on the show.
So yeah, like.
Was he is level of perfection, which is something that I don't think even exists today.
It's almost like you're one and done. But it was supreme.
It was supreme, and everybody came in knowing that it was going to be you know, it's going to be some next level stuff, you know, But.
Is it hard?
Is it hard when someone graduates to that next level and then they have to because I'm certain that no one starts off with demands and I want it done the right way. And but is it different relating to someone when they're on a certain level and then they graduate to a next level and then.
Well, well you know what.
We were there to see that, and it was like we were all growing.
I'm just part.
I'm just happy to be happy to have been a part of that family because we are all still close to this day of those who are left. But Luther had high expectations, but then so did I Cause it's like, I'm coming in, I'm going to give you like two hundred percent because you know, I know I can bring it, So challenge me to do what you want and to give you the sound that you want. And Luther knew exactly what each person could do and could not do, and so it's like, okay, ta Watha, do you want to sing first? You want to sing second? I like to sing second, because I like to push push the soprano, so so Cissy, Miss Cissy Houston would be singing the top, I'm singing under her. Then we'd have Oh my god, who Cindy. Cindy came in later, Cindy and then Lisa came in later. As a matter as a matter of fact, Lisa replaced me because Juicy Food did come out and I had to go, So Lisa and then oh my god. It's like it the level of expertstation was high. But we all came in there knowing that, you know, we were special to be there because he selected us to sing.
Did you ever tour with him as well? Or just I did?
I did the first couple of tours with with Luther. As a matter of fact, there's a clip of us on Saturday Night Live. We have on friends jumpsuits.
Okay, yeah, yeah.
So was his?
Was his stage presentation? Like I I think by the time after Busybody, No, No, No, the NFL.
In Love always for oh, after the album, After.
The NFL in Love was next, you know, after that's when I first seen him. Then his presentation on the next level the ball and everything. Did you guys have to go through that rigorous like.
Well by then, also, let me tell you this about Luther. Luther.
Uh, I wanted to audition to be in Luther's group. So this is when I had met him where I'd called him for some sessions and he said, you know, you know, looking for some people. I called his manager and he says, no, it wasn't say his name is David Cravat, And he said, well, how tall are you? And it's like, what difference does that make? He said, well, Luther has a height requirement. So I couldn't sing on stage with Luther by the at that time, because he would have four people on stage, but you know, they would all they would all.
Be tall, and they'd have to look a certain.
Way because you know he's going to have like the ball downs and stuff, you know.
But then he also had a set of singers in.
The pit, right, so I'd be in the pit, sitting on the stool, still looking fabulous. But you know, in the pit, are you still dressed to the nines like the ones that are on the stage. Well, we didn't have ballgowns on, but we had fabulous suits on. You know, just that was a requirement and you know, and every night after each show, you know, because he'd had those like the crystals on the stone on the ball gowns, they'd come up and sweep the stage to get the.
Crystals that falling off.
Too much much, It's just much so glitters you got to sweet and put back on.
So speaking of juicy fruit, yes, now, I mean no, one can never plan on lightning strike and.
And told me unprepared.
So at the time when you were recording it, it was just like, all right, another song for as you just did it as an after thought.
Not really.
I was out on tour where Brian Ferry Roxy Music in Europe once again, and then you May called and said, I got one more song for the album.
You got to come back do this song. Came back. Did the song. It's like and did he tell you about the candy kisses?
Oh?
No, not the lyrics.
So this is about the recording. Oh he didn't tell you about it? Tellas is my confession. Okay, So uh, and two May wanted to try something different. He said, I got this brilliant idea of we're going to sing this dry. It's like two May sing it dry, you know. Okay, let's try it. It's like that.
It was terrible and to him singing it dry meaning no nothing.
Just like you're singing into it like an empty pit, and it's like I can't feel anything because there's no reverb. It's no, the sound is not bouncing off of anything. But just try it if that had come out.
So there's an initial version take where well we we.
I finally came up with a compromise. I said, let's put the reverb on it while I'm singing, and then you can take it off when you do it the mix right, And that's what he did. Oh, because it was like this is not gonna work. The dryness, it doesn't work with the voice, so that I need to have it.
Yes.
I always wanted to know, Like I meant, you know, mostly work with rappers, so you know the monitor man isn't no no, no, I mean you would think that rappers are hard on my they're hard on manageorment with having their volume up.
Yeah, my heads right.
But you know it's only when I work with singers, you know, they'll use like I wet my voice.
A little bit, could I have a little reverb? Please?
And I never knew.
I was like, oh, okay, because I don't want effects on but that helps you get into a.
Mind frame up.
Yes, exactly, I see.
So when it came out, at what point did you realize like, holy crap, this is this is something.
Well, when Juicy came out, I was still on tour.
I was on tour with Roxy Music for like six months and the record, the record came out here in the state, and so I would call home to see how it was doing. You said, oh, well, it's like number like eighty, you know, and then it was like sixty, and then you know, twenty, then ten.
Then he said, you know, gonna believe this, think it's number one.
And the record became number one the week we Roxy Music came to New York City and performed it at uh Radio City Music Hall, and they played it during the you know, during the intermission they and they played it. They played it so many times and too they said, woll you please have them stop?
Yeah.
So, I mean, you know, I was working while that was happening, so I didn't have to sit home and worry about it, because if I was at home, I'd be worried about the record, how the record was doing.
Since you guys weren't not a traditional band, But how is it able to even rise? I mean, besides the word and mouth of it all on the video, you'll weren't touring, Yeah, if you weren't actively like well.
This was when the when the record first came out, and then after it was like number one for like eight weeks, it's like, well, we got to we got to get together and go out and play for the people, and that's what we did.
That's what we did. But that that was the people's record.
Juicy was the people's record because the record company was not behind that at all.
Yeah, he said the same thing at all. I believe that.
Yeah, well I believe.
That it that he was writing you were singing the first verse.
Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. He likes that. He likes that.
He likes that pressure because it's like, look, I'm here for two days, okay, so let's let's do this, you know, I mean for.
Two days, let's have a whole album completed.
Well, no, no, it was just it was the last song. It was the last song, and then we had you know, Freddie Jackson sang on Juicy Fruit. It was one of his first sessions. Yeah, he was on the best discover discovery must have because it's like, I don't know why else he would be.
Yeah, he was, yeah before after the Mystic Marlin records.
Oh, I think this was before. This was before.
Wow, I did not know that.
I have a really this is a frivolous question, but I just have to know. It's like old eighties gossip. Do you know if Freddy Jackson and Luther Van Draws really got along?
Well, you know what I saw them at astron Assumption had an a picnic every year at the fourth of July, White white picnic.
And they were there and they were just talking.
I mean it was I didn't see any animosity, but you know that's that's I don't know what, but you know what, that was two different lanes. That was two different lanes. That was you know, that wasn't the same.
They're very big presence, both of them.
Yes, yes, I see.
Okay, Now due to your strong gospel convictions.
Look, I was putting punishment for Juicy Food.
If I was putting punishment for owning that record, how how.
Must have must into I progressed.
My thinking was more progressive changed, I mean.
He was, but that was the album. Later they I took.
My thinking. You know, I read a little more and it became a little more knowledgeable.
Progress mister Wata was out there in the world.
I'll say that I wasn't as sheltered. Let me put it on that rock.
Music for six months, but King it was King Music and Adrian Blue really and I didn't know who anybody was.
Well. See that's that level background singing in the second. But the thing is is that with with Juicy Fruit.
See, the thing is, Prince is a cult artist with his own cult following. So it's almost like Prince became famous kind of an alternative land, whereas Juicy Fruit was such a straight ahead mainstream song that really really pushed the envelope. I mean minus I mean the double one time dres is like super obvious.
So were you.
I had no problem singing that song, I I.
I was.
I was just happy to be singing. I was happy to be singing. That was happy. But that the group, that the band was doing something. So it's like I'm just I'm happy to be singing. I'm on the road back with my band. It's like I'm cool. It's like whatever, whatever.
Now the question that I really have is since you're such a stickler for perfection, vocal perfection.
Let's let's go ten years later in nineteen ninety four. Now, come on a man dream. You know you hate Total slan Yes, background on Juicy, that's Total? Oh yeah, okay? Is that who that was?
Do you know?
I tried to find out who was singing that, and I could never find out because I never I never saw the credit because see, I'm like, I'm one of those people. If I sing on it, I want to see my name on it. You know, I'm the credits.
But I never saw that, and I inquired Basic based.
Some of those background vocals Ground not Toyo's BIG's Juicy were saying by Total, I did you know that?
I know it's a different I don't understand.
Well, I think that's wonderful.
Oh yes, but let me.
No.
But this is the thing. Though I analyzed it, and all right, me and Boss Bill's.
Battle, it's probably second only to post nineteen eighty eight Prince material.
As far as our war is a concern, who's on what side?
Total?
I like Total, but fur the Total album the second one.
I didn't said I didn't like Total, but this.
Is the thing I figured Steve fig total cereal.
It was coming. I don't. But what I'm saying is that.
And and analyzing that song years later, I think the regularness of their back they sounded like they sound like.
Totally right, and I think that's what worked. I think that's what that was like.
In my mind about to play it, but you're not right.
No, I'm in no you.
Play if you won't mean I'm just saying.
Did you sound like did you feel a certain way about like kind of pitch?
Well?
You know what I thought. First of all, it's like, why didn't they ask us to do it? That was my first question. But then it's like, okay, it's it's a different time. It's like so many years later, it's the next generation.
Just to jump in. A lot of times people think you're gonna say.
No, yes, Well nobody asked, all right.
This is this is how we connected.
Because once I realized, I mean, I've seen you a billion times in the thirty Rock building sing on other people, and every time I didn't know that was you.
And then once you came in with Lenny Kravitz, You're like, why are we working together? Even?
And then in my mind I was just like she knows one of us, Like, wait, you've heard of me too. It was like, wait, you come down to my level to work for me, Like, yes, why would you ever want to work with I think, Yeah, in our minds, it's just like, I mean, you replaced Billy. Don't think no, now I know. And that's the thing, like I think most of the time, like in my mind, yes, of all the things that's iconic about Juicy Juicy is what finally dislidged Billy Jean from the number one slot on that black music. So my mind is just like, I think you're above that. So I don't think it occurred to anyone.
I don't Oh, well, nobody asks.
Get a DeLorean. I want to hear that sounds like.
Oh nobody asked about that. And I said, I think I too. May said they wanted us to be in.
The video, but it's like.
Video on the boat and it's like no, it's like, no, two old people with all the.
Young the youngsters out there.
I'd rather I'd rather sing, you know, but I'd rather I did not know who was singing on that, And I just know it was just so different from I think what we would have done.
So different yeah, I think. Uh so, did you guys tour much with with the with that album?
Is?
Oh?
We did? We did.
I think we toured a lot.
But usually with accidental hits or at least unplanned hits from the label.
It's like did they finally see the lights?
Like okay, well, you know we toured with we opened it was a juicy fruit in between the sheets and Sexual Healing.
It was Marmon, Gay Brothers and two Wow.
That was the tour.
That was the tour. Wow, that was the tour.
And this is when when Marmon came out.
And he had the roll.
That yeah, that was he was stripping.
He was stripping.
But what was that like hindsight?
You know, that's something that legendary, could never happen again. So it's like, did you appreciate that moment or was it like the show's over, I'm going on.
When it when it?
When it was for m too May no always always appreciated because it was like people will hear us. We were We were a really really good band and and the performances were amazing and and I just want to say that when I from working with them two May and then going to work with Luther was was interesting because with him two May, everything was improvisational everything because they're all like jazz guys up there. So we'd start out with an intro and the intro would turn into something else, and you know, and everybody's singing and whatever, so we'd have the core of the song and then it would just go someplace else. But working with other people, it was the same thing every night, and which I had to get used to. It's like, you sing the same the song the same way every night. Nobody branches out and you know, does like an interest in solo or the same solo every night. It was the same. Everything was the same. Even the dialogue was the same every night. So you know, I I prefer.
Him to May because we we would stretch out you know.
Nice.
Yeah, so with Theater of the Mind, Oh no, no, you mean he was nice.
You know, that was pushing the boundaries.
So were you at that point where you guys like, okay, we're the boundary pushing.
But no, it wasn't even about pushing boundaries. That's just who we were. How did the concept of that song, mister.
Because you said something that I want to say.
The lyrics, the lyrics shut you down, I asked him. I was like, I was like, so were you and y'all live gate man.
Did?
He was cool, like he was like he did like.
He got a side step and then I guess he walked and we were might take the picture, asked me about to watch man it.
Was about.
And then wept each other up and yeah, because it got real.
Quiet when you when you're like, it was like, and then about that's right.
I actually thought that you guys were a husband and wife at first, based on the chemistry of the video.
I thought, yeah, say something.
I'm sorry those who know, those.
Who say don't know exactly what.
She hit out with the push your t you know, you know.
A lot of people love that song. It's wrong, but we got threats and everything that. Yeah.
Yeah, one guy was his wife kept playing the song like it was in the bar. She kept playing the song like on the jukebox or something, and you know, he said, you're trying.
To tell me something.
And then and then did somebody called, like a radio station, said don't they better not come.
To the venue?
Oh wow, because of that song. So they were having personal problems had nothing to.
Do with us.
It was like they want you to trigger.
I'm just singing a song. You want to hear it?
Here you go? That video came on night tracks.
Was like, I'm going to be listening to that.
So how well?
I mean when you when you did your solo record in eighty seven, did you do it officially leaving what?
No?
Because they worked on the record. Was it just like okay, we'll go back to the group. But the group included after.
It was it was you know what we had, We had projects. It was a it was a The Towatha record was a project. If it happened, fine, if not, more projects and the group didn't break up.
We sort of just faded away, you know.
There was it.
The music was changing, and it's like everybody was trying to do their own thing.
It was like, you know, nobody wanted the new Jack swing.
No, but you know, because we had that, we had the New Jack Swing.
So I mean, you know, so, okay, what I want to ask about the the stage that you're at now with your uh with your background work as far as doing uh uh live stuff. And I always wanted to know what is it with because I always noticed that the rock guys will always pick women of color to be their their background vocalists from the Stones.
Yeah.
Yeah, so what well they needed for that silo?
That's right, had the sweets the sweet inspirations.
Yeah, so where it is right now? Wait, I'm sorry, time out. Yes, Steve go Ahead asked, I totally what j Giles band?
Oh that was so much fun? And I ran into oh my god, this is a guy from the group Peter. Yeah, because he was on David Letterman and It's it and and he was there performing and I was, I was there and I said, you know, I sang on that record, so I remember you.
And it was like twenty years so, I mean free His frame was great. They were good. They were they were funny guys.
But just that one song or a bunch of songs.
You know. I did that with Luther and I think Sissy wait what yeah, check the credits. I think I think it was because it's like, that's all we got to sing.
Yeah, that part get into it.
Yeah, it just says you are a search engine nightmare man.
Your name is spelled every type of way. Oh.
I don't know if I want you looking at that. I might have notes on there.
Yeah, you know, I want I want.
To tell the audience that Wata got so many credits that she had to bring in the cheese because because sometimes I don't remember, it.
Wasn't Centerfold on that record on centerphone, you know what.
I don't remember, but I do remember free Frame.
And that is so crazy, screedy POLITI each night I go to Franklin, I just remember bits and pieces of the songs.
I'm not I'm not singling out. I just saw a freeze Frame.
I did sing Yeah, what what? What has been your most surprising request? Like they want me on?
Oh you need to work? Yes, Oh oh, I'm never surprised.
Good answer.
I'm never surprised because because if they if they if they seek if they seek me out, then they know what I can do and maybe I can add something to add a little flavor to what they're doing.
Never trying to outshadow whoever's in the front.
It's I'm just there for support, which goes back to your question.
Answer your question, because the question is interesting about women of color, why fans?
I forgot to ask that, Yeah, this is your show question.
Body language vibe was more like, are you you'll never get to answer my question?
Are you really reading Steve's body language?
Seriously, just the sugar energy went down diabetic energy skip.
To eighty seven and I knew freeze frame was probably eighty seven.
Well yeah, freet frame was eighty one.
Oh so that was before juicy.
Yes, oh okay, I see that.
But back to the question, yes.
But so why do you think that is?
And I just think we just add so much more flavor?
But are there church? Are there the are there the white counterparts that.
Have roads, charmers and roads? Who Al Green's background singers? They're white? Yeah? Oh that's right, let's say together.
I totally forgot about How did you know that?
I don't know why.
I don't know.
You just got the one who knows about things.
You know.
They're just in a documentary about them, and I was like, oh wow, they're why on Netflix?
I've seen something, you know on YouTube? They these three women saying for everybody there.
No roads, charmers and roads. I think that we just have a.
Feeling because you know what, you didn't see these people, so I mean, and if I would read the credits, you know, I wouldn't know where they were from.
Do you remember any dope white background singers or you know what?
No, I know the people from Philly International, because that's you.
And I used to read the line.
I know it's like I want to be like these ladies right here, and and that's all I ever wanted to do was be like those ladies from Philly International. So because they sang on everything that Philly International did.
What are the ladies from Philly National? Who's that?
Uh?
Barbara Benson? Barbara Benson because her brother went to Howard he was a drummer.
Barbara Benson.
She okay, I know she's on sit down and talk to me from like she's on lou Rawls and stuff. And yes, I mentioned that.
Oh wait, wait a minute, did you know you watch Power?
Yes, now you know the theme song is its dead in Street.
And that's your your voice on the background.
I was no, no, no, no, no, no.
That's just some trivia trivia, Okay, Okay.
So I don't I don't know the ladies that sang with al Green, but I mean I know that I like the fact that the rock stars and rock artists would would call for people women of color because you know, because.
It's so white.
Well back in the day, like with Joe Cocker, because you know, I loved Joe Cocker with him, I did, and he was he was great up at what's the place in the Western studio?
I want to say house of Music.
No, house of Music. It was a studio in West Orange. Did I sing with the Joe Cocker. He was such a great guy. Loved Heineken, he loves but you know, a little help from my friends because he had he always had a mixed group. So but and I just assume that's because they were in Europe. But you know, I don't know.
I'm sorry, Joe, he wasn't from here.
No hes u K I did not know.
Okay, Okay, you gotta be UK for that. Yeah, because because they.
Level approximation is on average. White Bean is one of my favorites.
Amy Stewart, Yes, yes, yes, and yeah. So I can't answer. I can't answer that. I just know that I like to see the women of color, well people of color singing background.
You know that's everybody's got a lot of dudes too.
Right, Yeah, because if I went out, I would want to have dudes with me.
Yeah, like, let us think in the pipst.
I worked with the first time last month, I was like, okay, I see yeah, Joe, oh yeah, so for.
Damn, I literally just took my question.
Street.
That's always a good start about no, no, no, I got it.
So right now with an what's your what's your current in twenty eighteen?
Who are your current clientele that you that.
I'm working with?
Yes, oh oh no, right now, I'm just working with Tawafa. I've been doing like like I'm doing the funk Fest, coming up with Marstaying, the time Confunction, Mary Jane Girls, Evan Champagne, you.
Know, like the you know, the fun thing.
I'm doing that, and and I've been doing that like those those kinds of concerts.
You know, what do you call it, like old school?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so you know, ten fifteen minutes and you know, sing uh you me and he juicy fruit and then another dance piece.
Oh crap wait saying that she did she didn't see you me and.
He, well no, no no. But in my mind I was like, damn, we got it. I wouldn't please you. And then it just hit me that she did. She did, and it was amazing.
I did.
It was so much fun.
You mean here, I want to fell out child.
That was it and I really appreciate that. That was like, that was that was good. That was really good for me.
I loved it, and and and James and was their backstage like okay, you got everything, got everything?
You know where the.
Bridge comes in, he takes care of his friend, stopped like.
I'm sorry.
Right now, not shut it down the water And I don't know why I think it was that.
Look, okay, yes, the dust.
Not that I'm trying to not lie he of this and ask for a scandalous story. But is there one act in the arsenal of of of work that you've done that you would never work with again? You don't have to name anything.
Oh absolutely, you don't have to name a name. I'm not going to name a name.
But how bad is the treatment? Because I know that sometimes background singers get.
Treated like absolutely, I tell you, did you ever walk off stage? And just like I'm never.
Again, No, no, because I'll you know, if I agreed to do the job, I'll do the job. But you know you always have that option.
Again.
There was one artist, very famous singer who was at Radio City.
I already know who this is. This No, and she might be royalty.
No, not that No, not not that one. There's another one. There's another one like right around in here.
Who's recently recently retired, recently retired, had us come on stage the clothes we're not fitting, we had pinned in the back of our dresses. I had never in all my life had to go out on stage like that, and it was just such disrespect for the band and and everybody.
It's like, no thanks, thanks, but no thanks for if you call me again.
Really, I was playing to gold her show. Her show is crazy, that's all she came.
But I'm not talking about the music part. Andreated the way people are treated.
It's like no and not.
I know, I know exactly you're talking about because I worked with this person too, and they walked out.
On okay, you want to rearrange the whole stage and and just like put this here and put this there, and and it's like, oh no, I think.
It takes the joy out of it for me.
I think sometimes when a person is nervous, they might micromanage, and that's the way it comes out. When someone really micromanages things, like in this Chinese details on it's like, I like perfection, but really you're scared of shit fear right line, which is weird because this person is.
Such a Maverick, phenomenal singer.
But this person just admitted that they were scared to do certain things and now they're starting to do certain thing.
I love avoid talking code.
Well I.
Could, I got it, but I don't know neither.
I was just in make some shit up.
I'm just making stuff up.
Questions. Oh man, God, I'm trying to think how many questions? So much?
Yeah with the ps, how did you come aboard with Dave Matthews Band? And how long has it been since you've been with those guys?
Okay, I met them in like nineteen ninety nine or something like that, and they were in New York City and they were about to do They were in the studio doing a song and they wanted that. I got called from someone from the record company to come and do a session.
You know what you're on?
Stay?
That was a song that was the song Stay, and we I was I had just been a secession with Luther. So I had my girls, Brenda White King and Cindy Myzell, said come on, let's go down to Electric Lady and did a session with Dave Matthews Band and it's this one song and so we did the one song they loved it so much. They said, we're going to be at the Meadowlands or whatever they call it now, the Meadowlands, and could you come out and sing this one song.
We had a bus, okay, a bus to ourselves. It's like, where's everybody else? Oh no, this is for you.
I said, we're singing one song. And then we did it like that weekend and I said, you know, we can sing more than one song, you know. And that turned into two years. Two years but wait a minute.
And then.
Three years ago they called me back to Watha. We still saying we want to can you get some girls and come back and do the tour. And we did two more tours with Dave Matthew's bands, and that's like the that's the the supreme, ultimate Supreme and treatment Dave Matthews band.
Oh I loved them forever.
I think I saw you were you on because you toured that album with the Before These Crowded Streets album.
It was ninety nine. Yeah, you toured with them. I want to say I saw you guys.
Y'all came to Greensboro Coliseum in Greensboro, and I saw remember the.
Lovely ladies, that's what he called us the Lovely Ladies.
Yeah, that was a great show.
All this I like it, quotes Dave Matthews Concerts. I didn't see that.
Yeah, man, I was there. I was there, and I was trying to explain because I took my little brother at the time. They loved it. He loved it.
I've never been I've heard stories like.
Show improvising and jamming, like that's the ship and on.
But you know, to me, it was like like the further extension of him too may because that's what we would do. And they they played forever.
But they also they sounded amazing and everyone was nice and and everyone is That's the happiest tour I've ever been on tours because even even the crew was happy.
You know what I'm saying.
Everybody was just, oh, this is just wonderful just to be here because it was everybody was cool.
They all stay in the nicest hotels and take everybody. Everybody's on the A team in that.
This is true.
There's no bees, no bees.
What is the How how long you've been just touring? I guess how do you protect your voice? To take care of yourself?
Oh?
You know what, you have to protect your instrument.
You know, you got to warm up, just like the guitar players, you know, you know they're constantly fiddling and warm you know, just playing to keep their fingers flexible. You have to do the same thing with your voice. You gotta protect it because you know what, I can't take it and put it in the case and plug it in. This is all I got, so I have to take care of it. So you'll see me in the summertime with a scarf on, and you know, even in the summer, I gotta protect my throat.
Do you're like non dairy type?
You go that far?
Like, oh, no, ice cream is was was my first love and I used to be able to eat that and then go sing. I can't do it anymore, you know.
So what's like your pre show? So like if you if they're saying, I showtime is it nine? We do on stage at nine? When do you start? Like, what's your pre show regimen? Oh?
Well, you know we've been rehearsing up to I rehearse the singers, you know, we rehearse constantly, so we're always singing, so we're warmed up by the time by the by the time it's showtime. So you know, you just have to even if it's just talking, humming, but not excessive, not not anything loud. You know, you got to keep it like at a minimum and then you're ready for the show.
You gotta.
But you gotta practice every day, you know. You just like a horn player, you gotta you gotta constantly practice.
Do you do those like classic warm up exercises that are like a lot of singers do oh yeah for the ladies, ladies that are listening.
Yes, oh, I have to have to do that.
You gotta warm up.
Even if you just get a basic book with basic vocal exercises, you gotta do something every day just to keep keep it open.
Because your voice a lockdown, it a lockdown.
What's your what's your process when it comes to the arranging vocals, Like when you're in the studio with three different people, because I always find.
That all of the vocalists I work with, they all it's either there's.
A common language, which is like I got the bottom, you got the middle together the top right, and we all just know what that is. The top could be, but that being said, the top middle could be three different notes depending on kind of where we are the thing and also feel like people also, they'll be like they're like church at when you church it you like flat to third, you do all these there's this is common like everybody, all background singers. I know that that's how they speak. And it's awesome is that it sibol.
It's the same thing.
It's like if I bring if I if I'm saying I'm coming in with my girls, with Brenda and Sandy, I'm the top, Sandy's the.
Middle, BRender is the bottom.
Always that's always, unless unless we want and we will switch it up every now and then, you know, just for texture for texture. But uh, you know, usually if I'm at the session, I'm usually the contractor, which means I call them for the session, and which means I know what the parts are going to be.
So I just teach them the parts and we just going from.
It's all hard of time.
You just go like piece by piece, just going yeah, oh yeah, and it's feel easy.
Just go in and now there's nothing that you have to learn the night before.
It's like coming, Look, we got two hours to get these three songs, so you know, let's just focus in one, two, three, that's it.
Well, one of the things I always admire and just I mean, I just as a kid. How I got to know you was through reading credits and I just knew, I mean, I knew you were from M to May.
But like I just remember reading like credits and I.
Was like, this lady is on every album that my mom has everything And one of the things I always like, particularly once I started making music myself and singing and arranging vocals, I always admire and I came to appreciate much more later. How well, all y'all singing unison because it's harder to sing unison that it is in and like y'all like and we all sang together.
They didn't do one track at a time and then just you know, put it together. No, you got to learn how to sing with somebody. You can't just you know who used to cut shef used to We used.
To go in one at a time and sing.
It's like, you got four people here, why can't we just all sing together and knock it out instead of being here for six hours?
We can be here for two hours.
So what's your take on tuning and stuff like that these days? Because you know, people just like they create backgrounds by just tuning people.
Oh, you know, I'm not. I'm just not accustomed to that.
It's like, what do you need that for?
You got a singer, she should they should already be able to sing in tune.
I mean you say that, but I hear what you're saying. I hear you.
But where I come from, that's that. That's just the way it is.
Anything different, it's like, oh, we'll change it with the auto tuning. It's a little album with It's like, what are you talking about? Let's just sing it, you know, it's it's a new world. I'm not you know, I feel like a dinosaur when it comes to that.
You know, yeah, I actually had a question in doing vocal arrangements when you're you know, have you ever run into a situation where you weren't credited for work that you did?
And how did you handle that?
Yeah? Well, you know what, I just I look at that as tuition for for something better to come?
Is that something that would happen a lot, especially to women, not to me?
No, you know, you gotta go in you look, I'm the person that you called.
I was.
I'm the person that you call. When that the singers were called to make sure they got that money. You know, I would make sure that the union that secessions were correct, the money was right, and I send the report into the union. So I took care of business. I did the paperwork. So and not only did I do the paperwork, I sang and did the arrangement. So it's like, if you're doing a job for me as a contractor, then you would you know you're gonna get your money. Yeah, but I always got credits for contracting because that was a union thing.
That makes sense.
What was it like for y'all when when hip hop kind of took over for lack of a better word, how did you guys adjust to that and what were your thoughts on hip hop at that time?
Well, one thing that I started noticing is that they were playing like songs in two different keys, and like the music, the track would being one key and the singer would be singing in another key, and it's like why did they let that happened? But you know, that's I think that was called progress. I think that was called that was that was progressed. But you know, but then you you know, you hear it enough and you get accustomed to hearing that, But still I have to allow myself to have a certain level of you know, a certain standard of music.
Music neess you know. So it's like, okay, that's what they're doing, but I can't do that.
I understand.
Have you ever had like a bad day in the studio, Because every time I've ever heard your music or your lead, like, it always sound fantastic.
Yeah, but you're always hear the finished product.
Everybody, like what is a bad to watch? The day would probably be like a great day for anyone else.
So well, it's probably would be a day when I wasn't feeling well and couldn't hit the notes like I wanted to. I can still hit the notes, but it wouldn't be like the full power that I would want to have.
So so like if you like, if you're sick or something and you're on tour, how do you I guess, like if you have a cold or something, like, how do you sing over cold?
How do you fight through that?
Sometimes you have to.
What I can do is if if I know I can't my high note are gone, I'll switch the parts with the singer and let let the singer, you know, take the higher note, and then I'll just sing in the middle there's alwa, there's always ways around it because you got to be thinking on your feet because you're like, this is this is performance, it's it's showtime.
You know, you can't say I don't feel good?
No, do you do it on the spot, like right before the show would start, you just switch around the parts like.
Oh we could do that.
Yeah, I know, I've that my head up.
I total.
I just I've watched people do that and it's just.
Like I'm feeling a little I'm feeling my throats a little scratchy today. Could you just sing the top for me and I'll sing the middle okay, and just going out.
And say, yeah, that's great, that's that's true profession. Yes, sir, I know how to read music.
Yes, Freeze Frame, that's a cool nickname.
Keep that.
We recently had Jeffrey Osbourne on our show, So what was your experience like working with him?
I work with Jeffrey.
I didn't with Jeffrey, but I like him, Okay.
I love his voice, love ballid, love ballad.
Your credits.
Really it must have been a group thing. I don't remember that.
I have a follow up question, but it's unrelated to Jeffrey. Osborne's really just another question. It's not really where is Irene Karra?
Oh that.
I have not seen Irene Karra in forever? Yeah, but fame right, I haven't seen her? What a oh yeah, well flash dance right right. I haven't seen her in years.
I know.
You know, sometimes when people go off the scene, they either they desaturates the family or something, or you know, some health concerns that they're not you know, available, or they're just not they just try to.
Doing what they did.
I mean, I haven't researched where she is.
I'm just okay, no, no, I haven't seen Iron Car.
Does that mean you weren't in the room Because I saw Gregory Hines on your on your credit list too, Does that.
Mean you weren't the room during that time either?
Okay, because I was up there for that one, because that one I loved that album.
But so he had a whole solo, Yes he did, and then they had this duet that they said, oh my goodness, Jeffrey, I mean, I mean Jeffrey Gregory.
Hines was like a great great Yeah. I was there for that one.
Yeah, I saw recently, my buddy of mine, Static Selector, you were doing I haven't heard the song. Is it out?
That's in b and uh yeah yeah static static in terminology yeah, m yeah.
So are you still like, I mean writing, producing, like working, like writing new music.
Now we're working on a project for me now, you know. So, so look for something probably by the end of the year, a single or something. But static static is cool.
I like her.
Yeah, go out to Brooklyn and just like, yo, what you want? You know, I got it?
Yeah?
Is it still home for you?
Newark?
Are you still well, I'm in the No, I'm not in Newark, but I'm like two exits Jersey. Yeah, I'm in Jersey.
Yeah.
Are you like an active Newark? Well, I know you're not in Newark, but you're an active Newark like community person, because now they're like, who's the mayor nowco whatnot?
Oh no, I'm in another city.
I'm out.
My mom lived there for like fifty some odd years and she she just moved recently.
So, you know, always curious about Jersey people, and I like Newark and Corey Booker and the politics and everything that's going on.
That's oh yeah, please Cory Booker. Yeah, Senator, yes.
Yeah, I was actually to look on her face.
Well, no, no, because I'm you know, I'm not familiar. I mean, I know what I read in what I see in the news.
Yeah, you any children and kids.
I know.
I am married to the music. And that's it.
Has it.
There's no time for.
No time, no time for that interesting I wanted to.
I'm not thinking about Lisa Fisher and some of the other people that.
She don't have. She's not married. I don't think she hasn't no time.
We're working.
So this is a background singer thing.
Well for some, for some, and and and I applaud those who can do both because, you know, because I would have to like focus.
All my time on my family. I couldn't. I couldn't not have you know, you know, thank you for the sacrifice, thank you for your service.
All right, So I hit up to my friends that I know are big to out the fans. My friend Rachel actually says she's to send you fe mail in the back in the day. So one of the questions that they sent me Monica wanted to know about some of the work you did with some of the Japanese artists like.
Oh Terra Masahino.
She loves my friend Monica, she loves the work that you do on the HIPSI.
Go out, yes, Terra Masino, oh yes, oh he was cool. I got a chance that.
Oh my god.
I went to Japan so many. I went there so often in one year. It was like maybe I should find a place here, you know. It was like that, No, Terre Massa was cool, great trumpet player.
What was what was question? Well, Rachel's questions. She wanted to know about hot Tea and oh.
Hot Tea.
You know what I'm what I'm trying to do is what I wanted to do was to put something on YouTube or like a round table discussion with hot Tea.
You know.
But it's so hard to get everybody together and and and that's how I got my social media because I didn't have any I was trying to get everybody together. It's like, wait a minute, you don't even have social media, So get yourself together first, and then you know. But it's time because I think because we all went to Howard, I think that it it's such a testament to the to the university that you know.
We achieved.
We we all graduated, and we all went on to do something really good for our careers. And we didn't stay together. But we're still doing We're still in music, and everybody's doing very well.
In in their particular areas recorded. No, we never, we never made a record.
Sounds like something just happened to Crampton, like a conversation.
Wouldn't that be nice?
That would be great, That would be great because I just want people to know that it can be done.
We can go to Crampton how it can be done.
It can be done, and you know, and we're all successful in our own rights, so you know, I think it would be a really cool thing to do.
Luther at the time when uh, what was the name Ivan Hampton was playing drums for him? It was he had a drummer Ivan. The reason why I asked, you.
Mean when was playing and then and then Ivan Ivan came on after Yogi Ivan.
Okay, he was at Madison Square Garden.
Oh okay, yeah, his reason why? I asked his wife, who also went to Howard. I know she was out of class.
Ivan's wife, Brenda, she was I think she was like a music student as well, but she ended up teaching.
Law music law, and she was like our music professor. And if you guys were in.
The same no, I don't I don't know her.
I don't know her, okay, but what you were with, Oh no, Ivan was there when I was in Okay, gotcha? And then you know what I used to do was Luther would have me come back if somebody was it was ill or had to be away, or if somebody was working with somebody else or somebody's own maternity leave, I would go in and fill in, you know, for whoever was nothing because I knew all this. I was there from the beginning, so I knew all the material.
Was he ever like because all the footage that I've ever seen in a film, he just always just seemed so straight, Like was he ever like funny or hilarious?
Oh my god, he was so hilarious.
He was so witty, and he was a great dancer, and he was just and we of course we're all foodies, so I mean we just we had a lot in common, and we all had a real love for the music.
Yeah, and you know, I sang on every Luther album except for maybe two not Yeah.
My mother was a huge Luther fan. Like every every album I saw, like your name and like.
It was that was if I wasn't on stage, that was one record yeah.
Oh, I'm good. I'm just wondering, uh, if you were tight with Alphonse moves on.
No, no, I don't know, no, no, no no.
I remember when I was at Howard Donald Bird Donald Bird and the Blackbirds and and and hot Tea, and we did a performance with uh Professor Bird and the Blackbirds, and I was supposed to get in touch with Alphonse was on and I never did.
So it is our paths were I supposed to cross.
But of course I know, I know I'm nothing.
After him.
In your on your credits, she got right there.
Looking pack.
A lot in big letters.
We can edit edited.
She didn't even hear glasses.
Look, Lorie Anderson, Bonnie Tyler, Lori Anderson, Jim steinmon Richie sambora nice guy by the way, Stevie Ray Vaughan family style. I say that, Rick okay sic.
God David Bowie.
Black tied White.
Noise with Albi and did the promotional tour with him and we did TV was great.
But Jeffrey Osborne it was.
I just think it was on the Only Human album. The song was called The Morning After I Made Love to You.
You know what I'm not saying I did it. I just don't.
I don't remember it a lot.
Remember, I don't even have him on here on my list. I got the spinners.
Your list looks a little small.
Well, you know what this was.
I might have left some people out, but it's still heavy as hell.
Yeah, blues blues traveler John and we never mentioned the Queen for for real queen, Yeah for Rtha Franklin.
Yes, that was all on jump to it, right, that's jumped to it.
Yes, Yes, and I did several uh uh. I did quite a few shows with the Queen.
Yeah.
What was that like? The Queen?
I mean, let me tell you. That voice, that instrument is like sometimes I would cry. I'm standing there, I'm one of the background sings and I'm listening to her singing. I'm like in tears, be intimidating, in tears. And then she still plays, Oh my god, she can still play. So, I mean, you know, she's been off the scene for a minute, but that she is, She is and always will be the Queen, the Queen.
And how was she was she like accepting of like new young singers. It wasn't. I wasn't like that.
Okay, that's I think somebody on your list who I want to have here, but I don't know anything about him personally.
Michael Frank, Michael Franks, that was a long time ago. Oh my good well all of them were long time ago.
All of them a long time ago, so long as you like, I don't even know, well.
I don't remember Blue Man Group.
Wow.
What yeah, bun oh chromeo, you know.
Yeah, I don't think they said Steely Dan though, well, you know what, that's not.
Up there, so that might be with no but Stilley Dan. Stilley Dan. I did an album with with Walter Walter Becker and and yes, and I did.
I did two or three tours with them, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that was that was, you know, a quest that asked me about, you know, what I wanted to do.
And I'd always liked Steely Dan. I would hear them on the radio and it's like, how did you get those hard?
Yes? What's what is that?
What is that?
And then when they called me to sing with them, it's like, oh my goodness, it's like everything dropped. There was nothing but Steely Dan twenty four to seven in the house. That's all you heard twenty four seven?
Were they super like perfectionists too? Because they were known for being like that in the studio.
Was it the same?
You know what?
That was one of those like note for note things.
It's like no group stuff because you know there was like they would like put everything together and like they wanted more of this and less of that. It was like whoa, okay, just just sing, just sing, that's all that. So you had to do you know what they what came out in the mix is like another another thing. But then the live performance, it's like impeccable.
Dope, yeah, pope, the B fifty two s oh yeah, wow, oh yeah.
I did that with with Nile Nah nol Rogers. And I also did when when I did Stevie ray Vaughan, that was with Na and Rick Okaseik.
Was with Noale.
I didn't realize No Nile did that.
The family style Family style right before one of the brothers died in the helicopter accident. Yeah yeah, and then they made us do a video right after it.
It's like, are you kidding me?
I mean his brother was like so destroyed, but we know we did record company crap. You know, they made him made him do a video right after to capitalize off the you know, it's crazy after you did your solo for epic?
Was that? Did you were you off the label?
After that?
Did you lead how to that situation?
It faded away, It faded away, just all faded away. Just nothing.
It's like, oh see they ain't come back asking for nothing.
Oh no, no, nothing like that. But the business was straight though, you know, business was straight, you.
Know, in too many you know, So can you can you describe?
Because I'm not a singer, I always wanted to be a singer, But can you describe what it's like when you find.
The people that your voice works with? Like what does that feel like? Yes?
You can. You can just sort of relax and be free because the blend is so perfect and and the and the vibe is just so melo into. It's like whatever you do is just gonna be cool because you know, the voice is meshed so well. It's like it doesn't happen all the time, but when it does, it's like it's it's almost orgasmic.
Who's your blend? Who's your my blend?
My blend?
Cindy Brenda, Like, what do you look for when you're when you're when you're hiring singers?
Well, it's just can can our tonal qualities match.
That's that's the most important thing, because it might be different genres of music, but you know, we still the tonal qualities have to match so we can blend to fit into whatever it is we're doing.
And you still play correct.
I play, I play in the house. I don't play out you know, you know lit some something.
Yeah, well i'm over too, but I'm I'm willing to.
All right, there's a Danish Uh, there's a Danish pianist named old Cock.
Hanson ever worked with him?
Look it up?
Looking at I don't know.
All right, Well, I don't know.
I'm over three.
Then that was another money.
Just old Cock hanted holy ship.
Yeah sorry, I had no comment.
I didn't have to walk upbout her old Cock.
It got really uncomfortable, right, what happened?
That's what.
Yeah, that's a real dude. I was kidding, but that's a real dude. It's spelled with a k.
Okay, just make it better, Okay at the end, Okay, seriously, thank you so much for coming on the show.
It's been a pleasure. I had a ball. I had a ball, and I said i'd have fun.
Oh yeah, and thank you.
Just correct he actually, yeah, one more thing I told mister and this, But Juicy Fruit was one of the first songs I ever remember hearing. Like, there's a a list about maybe ten songs that like are the first ones that I remember.
You didn't get hit for it.
No, I didn't get here for it. It was a neighbors record. She had it, and she was always playing it. It was like one of those songs that is stuck in my head.
And like every time I hear Juicy Fruit, it always feels like I'm having a very special experience.
So I just want to thank you for that. It's I carry that with me for years.
I'm so happy that you received it. Thank you, Thank you. I appreciate that.
Yeah.
I've been cheating juicy fruit for about forty years.
Yeah, just bought it just to watch.
This is weird. I bought this like weeks ago and it just ended.
Up in my.
I will tell you a really weird coincidence with this interview though, Like I had a flood my story June about two years ago, and a whole bunch of my records got damage, and about two weeks about a week before, you sent me an email saying that this interview was confirmed. I replaced my copy of Tawatha's debut album.
Oh my, really how much that she got for.
That much?
If that much?
So it's kind of weird.
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All right, listen, we want be half a fan Tickelot, Boss Bill, Sugar Steve, unpaid Bill.
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For coming on the pleasure.
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