Former First Lady Michelle Obama teaches Team Supreme about Chicago-style stepping and explains why she won’t ever run for office.
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Couest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of QLs Classic in which we have cost Love Supreme dig into our archives to bring you some of the more amazing stories and interviews from past episodes.
What can I say?
We kind of joke to First Lady Michelle Obama that would love her to do our podcast, and she called her bluff, and what can we say? We were so happy to get to talk to about her life now after the White House and her experience of music, her being a fan of music. We really hope you enjoyed this episode of our talk with First Lady Michelle Obama. Here we go, Ladies and gentlemen, this is your host Questlove and I'm gonna take a little detour here. It gives me great honor to present a special Quest Love Supreme one on one with the one and know we I'm talking about South Side of Chicago's very owned I'm talking forever First Lady, Yes, Michelle Levon Robinson to Obama. Yes, I have to say all board your names.
I love it.
So I just want to say on behalf of my entire Supreme team. That's Fan Takeelo, It's Liaiah Unpaid in Boston, Bill and Sugar Steve. We are very, very honored, and we like to express our deepest gratitude for you for taking time.
Out to UH to do our our our little podcast.
Well, I am excited, I am honored. I love you first of all, so you know, give us time to chat the wonderful break.
Thank you first of all.
I mean, just in general, how has this whole experience been for you? Did you expect to sell as many units and come out the gate like this this book is changing, Like to go in the chat rooms and see people's reaction to the book and the staggering sales, Like, did you expect any of this at all?
Honestly, no, no, I don't expect anything that has happened in my life. You know. I'm a girl who grew up on the South side of Chicago. Every day Barack and I wake up and go what so we're still doing that. But my hope was that the book would resonate, would resonate. I knew that I would be writing a book because all first ladies, all for presidents, are expected to write a memoir of some sort, so I had to I had some time to think about what I wanted this to be. And you know, this could have been just a chronology. I could have just sort of walked through the days of those eight years blow by blow. But I knew I wanted to book the book to be more than that. I wanted it to be a book that would inspire people to dig deep into themselves and understand their stories in the way that I've had the luxury of doing over the course of my life. So I feel like I'm just maybe the muse that my story is the framework. But my my overall goal was that people would start having these conversations about, uh, their memories and the the context of their lives and how it's shaped them and you know what, what they want to do going forward. So I'm excited that, uh, not just for the sales and the units and the arena crowds, but more of what you're seeing the comments and how how it's moving people to think differently about their own lives and stories.
Yeah, and I'll say that even and well, first of all, thank you for granted me the honor of of of of scoring the the playlist that goes with the book, but even with me, like I have to dig so deep into memories, and you know, songs for me are like polaroids of moments in my life. So songs aren't just songs for me, they're they're like audio polaroids.
And you know, even for me.
Knowing your your vast music tastes, which I really want to get into, I you know, for me, it was also an experience like trying to figure out what moment you were uh or trying to guess what moment you were feeling when this particular thing happened or that particularly thing happened. In classic questla form I forgot to mention, yes, the name of your book is becoming.
Duh.
Yeah. I'm one of those people that will have the guests on the show and be like, oh, by the way, we were talking about someone's going to keep wifelies and gentlemen good night. You so knowing that the how big of a role that music plays in your life, I always start this question with all my guests, do you what was your first musical memory or.
Do you remember the first album you ever brought or first single year? Yeah?
Yeah, absolutely absolutely, I talk about that Talking Book. Stevie Wonders Talking Book was the first album I remember getting as a gift, and I got it twice, That's how good an album was. I got it as a gift for Christmas from my parents and then from my grandfather Southside, who I wrote about, who is sort of the musical core of our family, my maternal grandfather, who he gave me the album. You remember there was the album you could get with the lyrics and brail. Yeah, yeah, And I remember spending time just not only listening to the record over and over again, but trying to feel the brail and understand the words and to think about and I would memorize the cover because there's something about that cover with Stevie without his glasses, sitting like in a canyon area in that Dashiki Afghan sort of thing with the braids and all of that was, you know, that cover to me was as much the experience of the album. For me, I was trying to really find I was really trying to figure out what goes on in his mind, what is he thinking, what does it feel like being blind? How does he feel music? So that was the first album that I ever owned as a child. But then There was the music that I bought myself that was the forty five version of something with the Jackson five ABC. Okay, you know Stop the Love You Save. That's when those were the forty fives that you played on your little makeshift record player thing. It wasn't like the big stereo that your parents allowed you to use, but the thing you plugged in and you had to put the little round thing in the hole, right, you know. That was the music that I was allowed to play on my own keep the record in my bedroom kind of thing. But the Jackson five that was what young people. That's we grew up imitating the Jackson five and putting the record on and cousins would be Tito and I'd be Michael, my brother would be on the drums. You know. We spent the whole afternoon like just shaping our performance to Stop the Love You Save. So those were some of my first memories.
I always tease, I always tell them that when I want to see the Jacksons that you know, for a lot of us that were young and you know, like they were the first superheroes that we really had, the Jackson's were an occupation almost.
Well, and it was interesting culturally because there were the Osmond's, remember, were the big sort of white family group back then, and there were the big debates about who was better, the Jackson five or the Osmond's, and that was a sort of a political statement. So how did you fell on the lines?
How did you feel about One Bad Apple when it came out? Were you fooled?
Like?
You know it? It was cute because back then you didn't have like fifty million stations, right, you had the one station and that played all the pop music. So you heard stop the Love You Say along with One Bad Apple and that. You know, you had your little grooving dances to that too.
But where was your heart?
You know? Yeah, your heart was with the Jackson five.
Okay, you always call it first, and you were Michael. That's funny because I was.
I'm one of those friends in the group of friends that it is always last to call something, So I was always Tito.
Everybody right, Yeah, I was like, well, I was also surrounded by my brother and my male cousins, so I was the only girl in the in the in the posse then, so it was just natural that I stood out as Michael. You know, I felt I would justified in being Michael. If I had to hang out with all these boys, I should at least be able to tell them what to be around my grandniss.
So even then, you knew, you knew you had a role to play, without even knowing what your future was going to be.
Obviously, do you remember your first concert?
You know that's that we were too broke for concerts. I mean, you know, I'm trying to think, because my kids go to concerts all the time, and I'm like, you all are so lucky. We were too poor for concerts. Quite frankly, I never saw the Jackson five live. I'm trying to think. Maybe it was in college where and it wasn't really a concert. It was like an arena orchestra sort of Stevie Wonder was playing in an orchestra. Maybe it was in Philly. It's kind of a blur, and a girlfriend had the idea of getting tickets and going to see it. I do remember that because what period, Oh gosh, if I had to have been maybe a sophomore in college, so that was what eighty eighty two, eighty three, And it wasn't Stevie wasn't like on some big arena tour. Maybe it was a benefit. I don't even remember, but I do remember that we had front row tickets and we both walked in not knowing where our tickets were, and then we realized that it's like we are in the front row. What happened? We were around waiting for somebody to tell us to move, to move, but it was just him and his band and he played some numbers and then he called his bodyguard. People picked some people to come up on stage and stand around the piano and sing Ebony and Ivory and me and my girlfriend were picked. So I was standing on stage with Stevie by his piano thinking what but that was yeah, yeah, I never told him about that because I figured he didn't see me. Right.
Remember, well, I know that Stevie has been at the White House at least fifty eleven times, maybe any event that I've seen between two thousand and eight and twenty sixteen. Like it's almost like Stevie Wonder comes with the package.
Like, you know Stevie, Stevie is you know that he and he is always you know, he's always game if there's a cause and it's something he believes in. Ooh, the first time he showed up was at one of the biggest fundraisers that I had during the campaign. It was at UCLA, and this was a big announcement because I was highlighting I was the keynote representing my husband in the campaign. But Oprah introduced us. It was Maria Shriver and that was a big deal because that was right when she was going to endorse Barack over what her husband, the governor, was doing, and that was a big deal. Caroline Kennedy so was a women's empowerment kind of thing. The first time I was surrounded by all these mega giants and I was the keynote speaker. They were passing off these introductions to me. And right before I went on stage, one of our staff said, Stevie Wonders on the phone and he's in the area. He heard about the concert and he wants to come by. And I was like, oh yeah, so he just shows up.
How many like I know?
That happens a lot. I actually wanted to ask, are there any other non Stevie wonder moments at the White House that stand out to you?
Oh? Yeah, yeah, Prince, but the first one is Prince performing. But of course Stevie performed too. I know.
So he's all right, Stevee's the ultimate party crash. I get it, I get it right right.
And when Stevie's there, everybody's like, Okay, Steve's got play. But Prince and we went back and forth trying to get Prince because every time we do our parties and you've been to one of the parties, I've been Yes, you've been there, and so oftentimes the personal parties were around a birthday or something like that, and of course Prince doesn't celebrate birthdays, so he was like, I can't come, but I want to come. So we had to figure out how to create something that wasn't a birthday that he could come to, and we finally worked it out, and that, you know, that was just that's just amazing. That's just Prince doing his thing and jamming in a way where he for the first fifteen minutes, he just let his band riff, you know, that generosity that he has to let his you know, backup singer lead the song in and his basses. They were just jamming before he even showed up, and that was amazing. Paul McCartney singing Michelle to me, Wow, you know Aretha, Aretha has performed, performed many a time, and you know she would come with her fur and her Medal of Freedom badge on, because when she came to the White House, she wore all her stuff and she's blown the house down. But everyone from Mick Jagger to oh one of the more beautiful performances was Esperanza Spaulding before she was really really like hot, hot hot the first time I had seen her. Yeah, that beautiful head of hair and that beautiful face and that body with that big base of hers just tearing up a song. I mean I could go on and on and on. Gladys Knight, Shaka Khan because one of the things I wanted to make sure was that we got all of the like the greats to perform, because it was like, I don't know if anybody's ever going to ask these people to come to the White House. Yeah. Yeah, Diana Ross came and performed just for the staff. Bruce Springsteen the show he's doing on Broadway right now, he tested that out. It was just a fluke he wanted to do. He offered to do something to say thank you to the staff, and we were like, of course, Bruce, you can do whatever. And he put together what became the Broadway Shows.
ANOTHERMB always shows Hamilton the same thing, like, absolutely, that's how he got the inspiration to even go through with it.
Yeah, he tested on you first.
Yeah, and we thought he was a little crazy. We were like, okay, don't do a wrapout Alexander Hamilton. Okay, that's nice, that's cute.
It's funny to say that.
I always say that, like, I was part of the production team that did the cast album, and apparently I missed the email of him pitching it to me.
So I told him.
I found the email after I did the record and I read the email and I told him, I said, yeah, there's probably I would have probably said, no, I'm fine, I'll set this one out, because.
Just looking at it the whole concept, I was like, this has the chance being a little corny.
Right, yeah, but somehow, Yeah, he wore me through. You know, absolutely, I have you. You and your husband are true chicagoans Uh to the bone.
And probably one of the most touching things that shocked me during your administration was the the letter of condolencens that you sent to Chicago househeads Uh when Frankie Knuckles passed away. And I always wanted to know, like as a true blue chicagoan. Are you a househead?
Like, have you going to any house parties to see any of the gods of house music? DJ? Ever?
Yeah, I was. I was old by the time house music was like a big thing in Chicago. Uh, you know, everybody has the music, the house music, you know it. But by then I was out of clubbing and going out, so I never got to experience the you know, going to the club just being all up in it. But you know you couldn't. You can't be in and out of Chicago without knowing the house music.
Right. Well, you know what about stepping? Are you a good are you in your husband good steppers?
You know I love to step. Barack is you know he can, he can do it. But you know who loves to step with me is Sasha, my youngest Uh she?
Oh yeah, yeah.
She She gets such a huge kick out of me leading her through the So that's sort of one of the things that we do when we're at a party together and we're at a family event, She's like, mom, let's step, let's step. But you know, we never had the time, Barack and I never had the time to like do the step classes. Because that's what couples do in Chicago. You go, you go to Kennedy and King College where you are taking the step class. H So we never we never trained in step, can I say? It's just sort of it's kind of just a bop, you know, And if you've got like a rhythm and you've got the right song, you got a little you know, a good step in song. It just comes. But I grew up watching it on TV and parents doing it, so it's almost like I could imitate it. But I've taught Sasha how to step, and that's she's my step in partner.
Really. I will say that.
The party that you guys grant me permission to to DJ, I'll say that I was holding back maybe for like the first hour or so because like, okay, I'm at the White House.
I can't be too lit at the White House. And oh boy, little did I know.
That you all speak the same vocabulary musically, So yeah, for you know, how important is it to also embrace because that's the thing I've.
Just never seen. I've never seen like.
Parents wholeheartedly embrace the music culture of their kids. Like normally the parents I know roll their eyes up in the air and kids.
Yeah, you know that sort of thing.
Whereas you guys were out partying your daughters at you know, the last week at the White House party, and I was just jaw dropped, like, so, I mean, how important is it to you to to bond and also understand like the music they like and the artists they like, like you know who chanced.
To rap up?
Oh? Yeah, absolutely? I mean, I you know, when you love music, you love all music. And if it's a good song, if it's got a good beat, you know, I can tee. I'll tease my kids about how good their favorite artists are compared to the greats. I'll play that game with them. But I can appreciate a good whatever it is, you know. And and I love that time with my daughters. I love to let them teach me about what they love. And again, Sasha is my more musical child. You know. She she's got her room set candles lit, you know, colored light bulbs with a certain sound, and it just depends on what her mood is. You walk into her room and she could be playing classical music, or she could be Jama Decissa or you know, you're just always surprised by her taste, and that reminds me of the how I grew up. You know, my grandfather was a jazz lover, but he respected my mother's music. He respected our music. And I think that's just when you love music, you're open to just something that feels good. So there. I love sitting down with Sasha and just telling her, tell me what's good, tell me what you're liking now. Or she'll say I just heard you're gonna love this, and she knows my taste. This is a new artist, You're gonna love them.
Think.
You know, she's like, I think of you when I think of this artist. So in that way, they keep me, uh, they keep us both. Uh on point, I don't know all the artist names now, I confuse the you know. I just recently realized, uh that what Migos wasn't just one that I kept saying, you know, let's meet who's met him? Right, right, let's meet him? And they're like, no, Mom, that's not just that's group. And then then I found out, okay, well then who who are they? Uh? You know, so I'm not all down with it. But when when I like a song, I like a.
Songer halfway there, I mean your daughter shares music with you, like you know, I share music with my parents, and that might be grounded for two weeks.
You know.
I try not to be.
Yeah, she's like, don't do that, like that, but I try not to be judgmental with the music because it's like, that's how I felt about social media throughout the presidency. The question is, if we're going to reach kids, we have to understand their language. We have to know what they're hearing. If we want to get young people to vote, we can't get them to vote just talk in our language. So we had to figure out, well, what is Twitter and what's Vine? And what are the kids listening to? And if you're busy judging it, you can't communicate with them. So I don't want my kids to feel shut down because their music isn't what I grew up with. So I think it's very important. But you know, stuff I don't like, I don't like, and I will tell them if I think an artist is crap, you know, and we'll have debates about it. So I think that's a good conversation for families to have.
Okay, Okay, well I have one more question before I let you go.
Yes, let's hypothetically think, Okay, let's let's go to let's pick a year.
Let's say, let's say twenty twenty four. M hypothetically speaking, if you.
Are accepting the nomination of presidency, just hypothetically speaking, what song do you want me to play for you while I'm djaying your acceptance speech?
Oh you know that's just wrong, wrong. Oh yeah, well that that hypothetical will never happen, never again, never ever. No, And let me just yeah, let's be clear, Okay, the presidency, it's it's hard. It's it's not something it's not an endeavor you take on without serious considerations. And it's not just about whether you personally can do it or whether they're people who want you to do it. But it's a it's a hard ride to take your family on. It's a it's a huge sacrifice to ask the people that you love. And it's not I'm not just talking about my kids, but anyone that has that is within our orbit gets impacted by this. And I just would never do that to my girls again. You know it it it it shapes their life. You know, there are many great things that they got from it, and you know they don't regret it for a second, but their whole childhood was truncated in a way because you know, imagine growing up and trying to go to prom with armored guards and trying to you know, have a boyfriend or go to a concert. You know, right now, my oldest daughter can't can't go to a public place without everything she does being scrutinized. And she's and they've held themselves up well in it, you know. And so when people say that, I know that there's an excitement and what people need. But as a parent, I feel like, you know, my family has made a sacrifice, and now it's time to make room for the next generation. And the flip side to that is that if we continue to sit in these seats of power and we don't train and build up the next people, we look around and we find that our bench is empty, you know. So I don't think it's good for a democracy to have the same set of families with the same set of ideas, just sort of passing the mantle back and forth. I don't think it's good for the country. So that's why Barack and I are dedicating our foundation the work that we do to really building up that next generation because there are a lot of young people out there who will be good at this, who will have no way of knowing. How do you access politics? How do you raise money? You know? How do you go from being a nobody to being in this exclusive network where you can fundraise and you understand the issues and you can build a team. You know, if we're sitting on all those resources, using them again and again for our benefit and not passing it on, where will we be in twenty twenty four? You know what kind of Congress will we have? How many mayors will we have out there? So we want to take this energy and devote it to empowering and lifting up and supporting those that are coming behind us.
Well, okay, you convinced me. Okay, I'll still be your DJ every moment happens that you Well.
We'll find some other things to djay around.
Okay, Yeah, I need to read thank you and you don't.
Okay, so let me say this for the record. I don't know why you're tripping. You were just you were perfectionists, and you're like, that's not I didn't.
Everybody had a ball.
You were amazing. So I'm like, okay, you can get a Doover. We will find a party, okay for sure if you just want to do it, but you did not need a do over. People partied until like it was like four in the morning.
I want to do a lot of that house. I need a do over just so I can sleep, all right, I thank you very much for your time. I appreciate it.
Ladies and gentlemen.
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Thank you very much.
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