This is umpay Bill from Team Supreme, here to give you the latest Quest Love Freme Classic episode. Back in October, Alan Leaves was our fifth guest on q LS. That conversation, which I encourage you all to check out, has been re released. But even three hours Allan was not enough. He came back for a two part interview. Last week. We ran part two, which you also need do here Now Here's Allen's third QLs episode, first aired March. In this final of three parts, Allen talks a lot about as James Brown. There's some really great stuff, especially if you're a fan of Prince D'Angelo and Chris Rock. Alan leads definitely deserved three QLs episodes, and we're happy to share the leading episode one O two in Jodan. Okay, see you. You walked us thoroughly through UH prime early younger James Brown in the in the beginning, So no, no, no, Well, I actually want to skip because it's more about the business of tour managing than anything um and this stuff I really didn't get to touch upon the last time you were here. So I mean, assuming that by the numbers, I would I would think that Prince was your biggest artist at least by the numbers. Yeah, touring wise, So when you're okay, so when it's like okay, we're going to tour, what is step number one in tour managing at least by the eighties contemporary version, which I which I assume hasn't changed much now except for the communication. Probably not, but it's a lot of it depends on your relationship with the artist and his person, his or her personal manager. Because you take three tours in the chemistries, that can be three different things. Um. Most tour managers don't get involved in routing. We're dealing with the agents. I did. Um. I knew routing from having done it for five years with Brown. I knew arenas at new buildings. So for not only let me deal with Rob Light and we would sit and agent at the time and the tour promoters, which were usually Jeff Sharp and Quentin Perry has partners. Wait, Jeff Sharp, he can goes back to the early eighties, Damn. Okay. I know Jeff started from my my days of like smoking grooves and whatnot. But I didn't realized that he was early eighties into the Yeah. Yeah, because he was he was independent on the had his own company. It was long before a e g. Which is now Latin. But and we would sit down and talk about, Okay, you know, how many days do we want to play in certain cities? And you know, Sharpen the agent would do their research and come back and say, okay, Baltimore is worth two nights, bill these worth three nights, Detroits worth six nights. And then we would sit there and digest that, and then we would decide what we wanted to do with that information. Do we want to underplay it? Do we want to sit in Detroit for a week? Um? And didn't you know we would route a tour. So most two managers don't do that. They just get an itinerary from the agents and says, this is where you're going. I know, I know with an artist like Prince who was kind of hands off as far as you're getting to know him, and so you I guess the last time you're you're saying that chick was like if you asked him any questions, he'll think you don't know what you're doing. But it's like, well, one the narrative of the of the Purple Rain phenomenon, what I assume was unprecedented to everyone on how successful this is going to be or not. I mean, the movie could have came out and did Cherry Moon numbers and then it's like, well does he have life? I would assume that the success of the movie meant more dates had to be added, and it was crazy. So then I'm I'm thinking, are you like, Okay, well this guy likes to do these man in three hour shows. Uh, maybe we'll let him do three nights and then get time off the rest. Or would he say no, work me to the bone? I want to know he would he would? You know? I mean what you described about not asking too many questions applied when I was new, before he really got to know me. Okay, but from then on it was like what the problem? I mean, we would talk about anything that was necessary to talk about. Would no hesitation? I mean the tiptoe. So when I started with him, as in how many nights do you want to do? How many nights do you want off? And a person that's addicted to recording would would he want equal time off to like, Okay, well let's do four nights on the road. And but then you have this large tour on your back. You have to make money exactly exactly. Yeah, every every night, off the meter is still running, everybody's in hotels, the trucks and busses are still running. Everything. Was he fin was he financially aware? What was he sort of it pays for itself somehow? Yeah, he wasn't really financially aware in those in the days I was there. I mean he'd radically changed that in time past. You think, Um, I wish I could see the erow we just did, here's a here's a latitude in my room, because we used to begging to try to cut costs and because I mean, you're doing this phenomenal. I mean, I'll flash forward to Love Sexy, a tour that barely broke even if in fact it did probably lost money, and saw the final accountings of the tour, but you know it's a very very expensive tour to mount and um, you know he can't get rich off that tour. I mean it's a legendary tour for the production value, but it was financially not successful. Purple ring was. I mean, that phenomenon was beatlesque. It was crazy, just car around. True. I would I would also think that, uh, he didn't care his his attitude towards money. Every time we go to say we can't afford he said, but I pay you guys to find the money. I want this, so figure it out. So there wasn't logic at all. Just make it happen. Yeah, pretty pretty much. This is what I want. Make it happen. I see, okay, So not to compare the two. One of the one of the prevalent problems of the Voodoot tour was that if de' angela ever went super hard with his voice, there might be the risk of us canceling the next night. Whereas Prince, well known for his screaming and use of his voice. I mean, were there ever problems of like his voice gave out tonight, we have to cancel the show. And it was never a major concern. I mean, having said that, it probably were times where his voice was in shape than it was, like I mean the trap of a feather, Daniel was like, I cancel the ship. But where Prince was Prince Moore Rider died. James Brown like, I don't care that I could be sick. Yes, So he did purple rain shows, even absolutely with a hurt knee and you know what cold and you know I mean, which nothing stopped it was. I think it was a TV performance where like he hits himself in the face with the yeah, like he did the whole set with like a mouthful of blood or something like that. Well, yeah, he Susanna said that he busted his lip doing that. No, he was a trooper. I mean you had to give him so many days off. I mean, I don't think we ever did more than three on before we took an off date. And we tried to do to one to one, but there were threes, but I don't really think we did more than three. I'm starting with Purple Rain two, where he was doing five and six a week. But um, but starting with Purple Rain, it was a little less often because it was it was a strain you were sure to do. I see. So then how do you you You were out at the beginning, so you built that into the routing and assuming that okay, well, I know that those Christmas shows were in Minnesota, so you assume that he wanted to be home for Christmas and accident of course, okay, and and gave a band, assuming that the band also lived in Minnesota well as well, so and afternoon shows up to think like we did do a couple of mats. I think and I know we did one. It was either Christmas eve Day or Christmas Day. I have to go look and don't remember. So even then it was like not take Christmas off. It was no, because that's that's that's a big ticket. And again you can I think we were off Christmas Day. I think that mattinate was Christmas. I don't know. It was either Christmas Day or Christmas eve Day. But you know this is when you're on tour, you know this, and in the meter's running, you gotta be very strategic about where your up dates are because okay, so but thank you sir, the thing is very the most organized. That's why he's here. Wait wait, I just had an important question about so. Well, what I'm trying to get at is when handling uh what I call monkey wrenches or eleventh hour avoid uh disaster. So I think with Purple Rain, uh the when did he get the ideas that he wanted to take off days to to do shows at for deaf children at death at death schools that we kind of built in from the beginning. I mean, it wasn't it wasn't wasn't just death. We we did Gallant at College in Washington, d C. Which is a university for hearing a prayered people. Well, hearing it parents not become in this woke era. You know it's supposed to say hearing it proods. So can you say that, um, what do you say? I always said that I didn't know hearing a parent was trust me. Tristan corrects me on a regular basis. It's like, dadda, don't say that. That's not cool. Was it his relationship with Tristan that it often wondered if that influence did because certainly he can do Tristan by then, and there was a possibility that maybe because Trison would hang out, they shoot hoops sometimes and you go into the students with him. How is Tristan now? Wait what in my mind Tristan is still like sixty, I wasn't ready for this. Ship is a man, Yes, Tristan, Oh, he acts like it. It's no mistaking he's a man. When you talk to him, dude, he's he's d's eh. That's how in my mind Tristan is. I think he would be like he's twenty nine now, like forty freaking five. Ship, I didn't realize that. Okay, so at the beginning of this happening, like was he aware of lu Prince was, Like was Tristan Well, even at the time he was, I mean if he's five years than men, yeah he was seven eight If he wasn't, he became a word pretty quickly, I mean certainly by like he was. He was born in seventy four, so Purple was, and he knew who Prince was. Definitely, And Dad's in a movie. Okay, you know ten year old kid, Dad's in a movie. I see, so it's up the time. But but his relationship, I mean, Prince had seen him and met him, but it was later that they got close when once Paisley Park was up, which is of course several years past Purple. But once Paisley Park goes up and Tristan started spending more time with us in Minneapolis. He would come out with me and do you not be going to work? And he's like, can I hang out? And yeah, come on if you want, and he'd spend the whole Yes, he'd take him in the studio and play him stuff and sitting ask him like, okay, what do you hear? What if this track can you feel the base part. Can you hear the drums? Can you hear the guitar? Because he was always interested in what is his degree? His degree of hearing, because quite deaf in the higher registers, but his hearing is maybe fifty fifty and low registers. Okay, it's perfect for hip hop. Heaby and and I'll never forget. This is really off the beating path, but I'll never forget. We were riding in a car and Alexander's O'Neill's fake, fake, fake fake came on the radio. Can I gets base? We're listening to came? O j was another you can hear that song coming from a mile away, and don't talk. Tristan would hear that open being his low teens, ten eleven, twelve years old, and He's like that, that sounds like fake, and Alan's drove off the road. Uh. And that's when I realized that he had not just enough hearing, but also the musical sensibility to recognize a song just based on and it wasn't even jacked up loud, so it was definitely base and drops, whatever the patterns were. And it really it changed our lives because from that point on, you know, it was. It was very awkward to have somebody who lives and breathes a passion for music. You can't have a child that you can't share that with. And more importantly, it's not about me, it's about him, because you don't want it to appear that something that he can't get into is so important to dad, because that creates a void. It creates a feeling of inadequacy, which is the last thing you want him to have, because the whole, the whole idea of raising a child who has a hearing problem is that you can do anything except here. And we're not going to give you a pass because of that. You're gonna get out of the car and go into the store and get what you want. And if you have to write a note, whatever the hell you have to do to communicate with the store clerk or wherever the hell we are, you're gonna do that. And that's how we raised him, and and is totally self sufficient, and you know as a result, and you're not gonna get any sympathy. It's like, you know, this is this is the world, this is the world, and you gotta function and I ain't gonna be here forever okay. So the idea that music was so important to me was awkward because I didn't want him to sense how important it was so as to feel like an outsider or that he was somebody inadequate. So when he started recognizing songs, I'm like, oh, I mean this, this, this was the kid. When he was like five years old. We would look it up. He would see a Funkadelic album cover. Of course, he was a track the Parliament Delic album Carrots because of the graphics and every and he's five years old, and god, that crazy George. Crazy George. So he had the disease it was in And now he sends me YouTube clips of bands that I've never heard of. If he turns me onto Mortarship that I mean, it's it's it's crazy. Um. But then we were totally off the beat and path. No, I'm wow. I'm still mind blowing. That he's in his forties, so it's crazy. So okay. So I'm also it's hard to explain to people that I could have a son forty five and that that he was born when I was only ten. That's there you go. Also, I guess I have to take into account that Prince rarely got a no in the eighties if he wanted something done correct or okay, I pay you to figure it out. Just yeah, you would have to figure it out, give you a story. And I don't know if we if you cut me off, if we did this before. But but this is this is a metaphor for everything about Prince. Remember the Alphabet Street video. Yeah you did tell us a story? I did. Okay, okay, you can go back and listen to that one in the quest. Yes, so all right, So that's that's a prime Is there any other Well, there was at least one a day. When when when did the after shows? I mean the earliest after show I've heard was, well the sign, Well there was a parade. There's a few parade ones in Europe, but what was There was one in a hotel bar in I have that one. Well where he just crashed a hotel bar that had a band and just decided to take over and they were fine with that. It was Prince, Yeah, it was Prince. Was the Prince was like, who's this guy? No, it was Prince Okay, yeah, okay, no, we we have a I think one of the earliest ones we have is a there's a Sam's Club. He debutsed all the critics love you in New York and remember he said this is this is just a dance. Yeah, so obviously, oh yeah, that was an after show from that. That's a great shop by the way. Yeah, it was. I'm trying to find I don't know if it exists, but there's one. Uh. I think job Wobble was playing at First Avenue that night and he got up on stage with Prince got up on stage with him in the base. Yeah, it was like, yeah, he licked the guitar. Yeah, Prince, we were in a club in Paris. This was in the pre Cheering Moon experiment of going to Paris to see if he liked it and would we shoot in France and we were. It was Farnoi and Prince and me and don't forget who else, maybe Jerome, and we spent a week in Paris just to hang out and see if Prince might survive it. Yeah, and he spent most of the time in his hotel suite with the keyboard that we went on bought the first day we got there. Um writing music, most of which ended up this party. The Cherryman and Parade Elements on. Um. Long story short, we were in some crazy club that was like a low rent version of Mulan Rouge. They had they had dancing girls that were exacted. Was it wasn't an outright titty bar. I mean it wasn't you know, it wasn't sleazy, but they were hot girls who were abbreviated outfits abbreviated. I don't know how did you say that? I mean they had clothes on, but barely. Okay anyway, Um, but it was. It was just a little Parisian lounge and it it, you know, and for some reason he liked it, and so we went there a couple of times and they had little combo and I I think it was like a three piece combo of three local musicians that played corny stuff. They were terrible, and he just one night he looked at me and he said, would you ask me if I could play? And I don't think those musicians really knew who he was. I mean they were they were older guys, and they were like the French version of the De Polie trio or something. They were just really really cheesy, and he just decided he wanted to play. I don't know if he wanted to impress one of the dancers or what. And he got up there and he played and sang two or three songs. I can't even tell you what they were. He just started band leading. No, no, no, he just went up there and a almost he knew those songs. Oh he did a solo. Oh ship, Yeah damn. That was a treat at Maxims in Paris, France. It wasn't. It was actually called La Milia dere Oh. Okay, okay, that one's not here. No nobody knows. It was just off the comp the first time it's ever been mentioned. Yeah, there's so in one of those rehearsal tapes, I realized that his level of wanting to play no matter who was on instruments. Uh, there's all right. So there's there's a tape of a forty five minute jam. Like, here's the thing. I love and respect the three of you in this room, but I don't know if I would put two hour efforts for us to have a jam session, because I could sort of imagine what the result would be with just the four of us in this room. Put me on drums, I'll be all right. But alright, so Vanity is on keyboards Jamie shop is on drums. I think Jamie shoopers on drums, Vanity is on keyboards. I think Fink is on another keyboard, and Princess basically trying to teach them how to jam or how to play. Okay, what if the three of us were cute girls. I never met Jamie Shoop until so in her heyday, Jamie Shoop was Are you saying she's not fine now in a non me two wish way? No, no, no, I don't I don't know what I don't know. I mean, Jamie was hot and she had a cool person that I looked she was. She was going to be one of the Hookers, wasn't she. Yeah, that's right, she had to be hot. I forgot that she was a word. Okay for those that don't know, those that do not know. Before before, before they were called Vanity six. Before Vanity six was formed, Prince was going to perform a group called the Hookers and the lead yes and our older sister yes and um the lead the lead singer was gonna Their stage name was going to be the Vaginas Vagina I guess or that yeah wow yeah. That obviously did not work, so they changed it, Yeah, exactly so. But the thing is is that he sounds just as happy and he's got al Bolo about how do you say, I see? I thought that was no. No, it's Alan bol the photographer, petographer. He's also playing as well. He's playing bass. But so that obviously means he has photos from that probably ship, and it also means that his story of him coming up with the river Let's go Crazy is probably true as well. Damn good one, good one, good one. Yeah. But my whole thing is that, well, if who was there, they probably were shooting something. It could have been promote pictures for god knows what, because he wouldn't I mean, they weren't that close that he was just gonna be hanging out house and play bass. I mean, that wasn't gonna happen. So then he must have been there with a with a photographic purpose that then turned into you know, maybe they drank a little. But my question is that he just for him any jam session was the equivalent of talking or I'd rather be trying to play music with you than the small talk, or maybe maybe after your tape runs out, he starts making fun of him not being able to play you know. It's also that I don't know. There's the famous Spruce Springsteen Camy on one of his shows and way back to the dressing room, he's looking at me and he's bouncing up and down. I don't he can't play guitar. There's that I have that I thought he was cool. I mean, Bruce hung in there. But okay, in your observations, I always thought that major towns were not as good as the smaller towns as far as show is concerned, because you think specifically for princes or in general in general, but yes, also for princes. Uh. Based on the Purple Rain shows. None of the l A shows we're exciting. To me. I have a theory. I think that if people are watching you, and this has been for every show I've ever done in l A, and stars come out girls you like her movies and on television show, they're in the audience. Yeah. I always think that shows in front of celebrities freezes the artists, whereas towns that you have little expectations, you bring out your your A game. I don't think it's the artist. I think it might be you know, the major publications are there, you know they you know, new York Times may send a reviewer out or Rolling Stone or somebody in that case in Minnesota must be a nightmare because John Breen is there watching. Was that was the rivalry with John Breen really real? Or was it like playful and he got tired John brute at one point and they kissed him, you know, you know, because it was like it wasn't a it was it was kind of a Trumpish moment. It was like, you're not loyal. You actually wrote something negative. If you're not loyal, fake news. Okay, you know you of all people, John, you were there at the beginning, you got you're supposed to stay loyal. Nelson George can write something bad, I might make a record about it, but well you know, I expect it, but not from you, not from uh like John's from the hometown. Yeah, you're supposed to. You were there from the beginning, and you wrote great things from the beginning, and you were way ahead of everybody else and recognizing I see whatever. So I'm just you know, I'm surmising. But I mean, in your years of tour managing, what was your favorite period, Like, do you have a fine memory? The travel was great. I didn't have to, you know, fa a situation. It was, you know, I can I hit your pause button for minutes and rewind for a second, back to the intimidation factor of playing big cities, And I think Bill's right. I mean, certainly, the fact is you can't unless you're remarkably disciplined. If you know there's a media focus on what you're doing, if you know there's people in the audience whose opinions you care about or trying to impress for one reason or another, then you're going on stage with all of that somewhere in your head. Even if you can kick it to the rear burner, it's still there. So instead of going on stage in your normal zone where all you're thinking about is the music and who you're playing, It was m that it just makes sense that that would affect you. Now, there's some people who could overcome that, um but I think about Miles Davis used to say, and this was in Quincy Cher, the Miles Davis autobiography, talks about the fact that he could always tell when anybody in his band either we're looking at a girl in the audience of their old lady was there because they'd show off they played different they'd overplay, and he said, you it's a driving crazy out of the point where told Jack Dgent it do not bring a woman into these clubs. Really. Now it's Miles probably exaggerating a little bits the truth, but but yeah, he's telling the truth. And particularly in the context of a jazz quintet, where it's so much of it is improvisational, as opposed to a Prince concert where the band is pretty much playing the same thing that after night, Um, it would be that much more noticeable. And I suppose it's human nature. It's it's you know, you're right, you know, we all look in the mirror once or twice extra if you're gonna see somebody you really care about. Okay, So anyway back to your question, what was your favorite period of tour managing or what was the easiest? Alright, alright, okay, what was the easiest? Like, just I suppose physically you would say, Chris Rock. Okay, I can see that because there's just there's five grown men who are responsible, mature, flying on private jets, staying in for its Carton's and nobody has to wake anybody up, nobody misses the plane. Um, the only time we'd ever spat was who gets the art section of the New York Times first on the flight? You know? Um? Now the gig was was you think the gig is easy because it's stand up. There's no production, there's at least very little. But the other side of that point is what that with that tour you're wearing because you don't have the staff, you're out there by yourself in terms of management, and you're wearing every hat. So you're overseeing the production. You're overseeing the local crews that do sound in lights, you're overseeing, um, the promoters, you're overseeing the settlements. You're doing the settlements. Um. I would assume that you do and you do settlements anyway though, right, yeah? But or do you send someone But here, here's here's the point. If I'm on the Angelo to or not gotta who do settlement? I just tell Bill Reeves, I won't be around for a now, or I'm going in front. If you need to be be hit me, text me I'm in the box office. Okay. But with Chris, you're scared to leave because who's in Terence? There's no backup? I see, okay, you know. So it got to the point where his personal assistant who really had nothing to do with the shows themselves, but was just his personal assistant. Um, I would always have him. If I'm going up front, I would say, Okay, you gotta keep your eyes on the stage. But also, I mean, Chris is a level celebrity, so it's just the five of you. Yeah, but he's a list. So like he's he's got a personal security. He's got one security. Okay, he's got his personal assistant. There's Chris, there's the opening comic. He usually travels with us, the support act and myself. Okay, that's it. Okay, that's it. And and I'm still doing the other things that too were manager does, which is do all the advancing with the venues we're headed next, and making sure this is set up and set up and make sure the cars right, and make sure that the staying in touch with the pilots and airports and knowing what the flight conditions, you know, all the ship that goes with the logistics and hotels and and is that always having a plan. B. You're looking at the weather app and it's raining in Tennessee and we might have to take a bus. Yeah, or either we're just gonna sit here and wait for the rain depending on forecast. So yeah, you always have to keep your on the weather. Okay, that's just part of it. So that's the easiest. What's the most historical Let me say this, it's it's it's a lot of work. It's long days, and Chris is one of the few comics I know who actually in system doing sound checks. As you know, because you've been there, so you know. So the day it starts at three or four o'clock in the afternoon, it doesn't end till midnight. Um, by the time you've unsettlement. Frequently the show would be down, but I would still have business and to stay back and wouldn't get to the hotel until that later. So there was there was a workload, curious workload, but it was. But it was not stressful because you didn't have to worry about knucklehead bass player who won't get up, disappears and you know, damn that Palladina and I'm playing. No, that's actually the one band where it wasn't the bass player. Historically it's always been the bass player that's a knucklehead. I can never really yeah, not the case we do, okay, Yeah, in that case, the base was the responsible person. Yeah, Rumber, it was pretty good. He wouldn't he wouldn't. We'll see, he had his days, right, But yeah, right? What was what did you feel was the most historical in hindsight? What was the most historical run you did? It had to be purple, right, so you consider that more historable than the night that like sex Machine came together or well you're comparing him six months two or two a one night gig. I have a yeah, I mean it's you know, it was there a historical significant success of course, but you know, what did you feel was historical as it was happening, because that's rare to know that capturing So for you, I was relieved that he could take this new band that had its weaknesses and go in and cut what so obviously was going to be a smash hit. So it was really relief. Okay, because because the jury still out on whether or not they were still good or exactly. I mean, we knew Boots and Captures were keepers. That wasn't hard. But Clayton Connal's and all those cats were Yeah, right, I see, I see. Do you have any regrets or places that you haven't gone to or things that you haven't done yet tour wise, or what's well damn Okay, I know, with the exception of the D word, you where, but what stopped you from the next level? Like what kept you at tour manager as opposed to let me get a nine to five at you could easily worked at William Morris. No, I'll tell you a conversation ahead with Bob Cavallo. When I took over Paisley Park Records, Bob called me and he was on the way out because it was around the same time, and it Pritts cleaned house a little bit after I took over the label. I know. Let me I'm rewind when he cleaned house and fired his lawyers, his business managers and his personal managers, Steve Farnoli and Bob Cavallo. When he fired them, that's when I actually went to him and said, Okay, I need a votal confidence if I next you're cleaning house and just need to know what's else going on. I told you you're fired. No, but you know what time out? What do you do? The firing it was Jane you were he second of nineteen after Graffiti Bird, Before Graffiti, it was after look sexy for Batman. But I'm saying, would he himself do it? Now? He said he sent he had he had another attorney who sent ledgers. He had already cooked up the deal with Albert made Nolie to be as manager. They had hatched this plan. Magnoli introduced him to a new lawyer, who then issued the seas and his sisters or whatever you want to call him, the notifications that I'm breaking away from you guys. I'm only asking because all right, I've maybe the last two years, I've had to fire six people from my camp, and that's one of the most painstaking, especially when you're like super close to them. This week alone, last Saturday, I had to fire someone that's worked for me for like ten years. And it was like it was like asking for a divorce. I always wanted to know, like literally, like is he going around? Asked of advice, like how do you let someone go? How do you because he first of all, he didn't personally do it. Oh that's easy. I thought you had to do it yourself. Like no, he was a pump like that, wait should you? If you were all right? So he had me fire people. I was gonna say, you've I'm sure you've had to fire many a person, not many, but yeah, right sure, But is there what's the proper way to do so? Because the thing is you're such you're such a paternal It really litherly figure. It depends on who it is and what the relationship is. It really does. Um. We had a road manager on a tour and I'm not going to say which one, who was out from the beginning of the tour and he was going to be the road manager of my tour manager. Can you say the tour or that would give it away? That gives it away? Yeah, and just as soon poor guys no longer Whether he since passed away, but he was totally qualified, had worked on other major tours, was a good guy, but for one reason or another, Prince Chick didn't like him, dropped the dime on and Prince didn't like him. The band loved him, and we were about two or three weeks into the tour if that, and Prince called me to his dressing room before show Who and he said, don't want you to fire us on so And I actually sucked it up and tried to make up a case because I felt it was totally unfair. That was he just playing for whatever stupid reason, just didn't like him. The guy hadn't done anything wrong. It was perfectly qualified. It was gonna give me personally a headache because now I had to replace him in the middle of a tour. I was gonna say, how do you find a b person? You know? Um, well, we did you do. I mean, it's part of having something filed away in the back of your head just in case. But the long june of it is is I had to go to this guy and you basically didn't speak to me for two years, and and he actually and if he knew that you weren't the person that pulled the trigger, or you're not allowed to say, look I love you, but dog no, that's exactly what I said that you gotta know this isn't coming from you. The band and they adore you, but there's a problem with the boss and he wants somebody else, and I worked for him, and I don't have his choice. And it was really really uncomfortable because I cared about Scott. It was it was unfair, okay, but he was the gold makes the girls, and I mean, deep down the guy understood, he got it. But from that point one and he actually ended up opening a business in l A. And Um I would occasionally drop by his business and it was always awkward, and he was close to Gwen. I mean it was really awkward. Um. On the other hand, on the Purple Rain tour, Princess business manager found a tour accountant that he assigned to the tour. And this guy came on the road and he too had worked on other tours. He had a resume. None of us knew him, but you know, it's gonna be the zour accountant and that's fine. You know, the business manager who we all knew and not a close relationship, was trusted him, so no reason not to trust him. So this was Purple Rain. We played Detroit. We ended up in Greensboro, which I think was the second stop, and Big Chick comes to me and he says, hey, buddy, what do you know about this accountant. Dude, nothing, I guess he's okay. He said, Well, he was chatting with being talking about he thinks you're overpaid, and he was talking about that that they could get a good tour manager for less money and this one and he didn't like Bill Reeves. He thought he was overpaid and some of the bands was overpaid, and he was just I said, chick, you just don't like him. You're dropping a dime on him by saying this, or you sirid he actually is just discussing people's salaries with you. And he says, no, I mean, I don't really have a horse in this race. But the guy ain't cool. Um m hmm. I called the business manager in l A and I said, I need somebody else. We were going to Philly Thanksgiving, yep, and we we actually where did we go first? I think we went to d C next, because we we we we busted from DC to Philly. I'll never forget. We busted as as opposed to find. And I called the business manager from d C and said, I want this guy out of here. He said, what happened? Did you verify? Did you verify? Yeah? Yeah, I mean I went to me denied it. But because my first thought was all right, it's chicken agitator and he could be. But I went to the guy and talked to him, and who was obvious that he his whole attitude. He's like, well, you know, I was just thinking that, you know, you need to streamline this, and you know, all I'm doing is trying to protect the artist. And I'm like, okay, you're the one guy in this whole crew. The artist doesn't even know right and this is my house. And if you want to streamline something because you think it's the right thing to do, then you should have come to me at the bodyguard and I'll have that conversation with you because I'd appreciate it if you can help us make more money. But don't be coming in my house behind my back. He's like, okay, I'm sorry, pop up. I call the business manager and said I don't want to see him after tomorrow. He rode the bus with us to d C to Philly. We got to the hotel in Philly and there was a message waiting for him to get on the first plane out the next morning. Everybody said what time did he come? M hm. So it totally to pay ends. It just totally depends. And the first lesson is don't hire your friends, son, you out now starting fire people. That's the key. Let me just mark this off. Do not ask for a raise because because I have I have had a situation um in the last ten years where I hired a friend who was qualified but for whatever reason, didn't satisfy the situation and or the artist, and I hesitated to fire him, and I should have. If it had been anybody else, I would have replaced him right um, And I didn't because I pumped out next subject before we wrapped up. I've heard quasi heard step Gordon's version of this, only because he's owner of Carlos and Charlie's. And we've had Huey Lewis on the show, and we're just discovering that Huey Lewis saying what was supposed to be Princess parts on We Are the World? Can you I've never asked you this question? What the hell actually happened the night of American Music Awards and why? How did you get the word that there was a song called we Are the World? And he's expected to participate, Like I assume that the call would have came to you first, Okay, okay, not to you? Yeah, I mean I was involved into conversations and farnly pitched it to him. So do what Quincy's doing. He's reached out. He really wants you on this. Here's who everybody else is gonna be there in prison. No, he was just not interested. It's just I'm not gonna be like everybody else. But he did contribute a song ultimately to that, and and he offered to do that at the beginning. He's like, I'll give my song for the album, but I'm just not that guy. I don't do group things that I don't have everything controlled over. Yeah, okay, you know that's understandable. Okay, but but but that night at Carlos and Charley's, like what happened that? What what happened is is we tried to convince him like, okay, you're not going to do that, but understand something, this recording session is bigger than the ords show. This is like the biggest thing of the year because everybody's there, and by you not doing it, you can't go out clubbing. That was the actual concern of you guys back then. It was a huge consitent This could be a pr disaster, Like why are you not singing for starving children? Yeah? Exactly, you I would think, like now just been like Rianna didn't make it. Well maybe now, but but there wasn't No Prince couldn't make it because um Quincy was pissed. He's like, who does he think The reaction was from him? Midtalanto Routie was, who does he think he is? Michael's here? Diana Ross is here, fucking Ray Charles is here? Is here? Okay? Left right? And the Canadian, the Canadian who was part of USA for Africa. Um, but no, it was a serious concern. So they just literally thought that he would jump at this opportunity. I suppose. I mean, you know, who does he think he is? Park here? He goes at the door? Everybody else who's famously private and diva ish, no more than Donna Ross, right, Michael was no joke. So I mean, if they can do it, why can't he do it? Not to mention the fact that it's a cause he should be associated with. So I still think decision. I'm not saying it wasn't. But the issue wasn't whether he did it. It was to Quincy because he took it personally, because that's just how exactly. But the issue was don't go out drinking in clubs when everybody else is doing that. Because the media was out there, I mean, this was a big event and everybody at the Oars was talking about it. See at the studio. You know, this was huge. It's never been a an assemblage of the Empany people to make one record on on that level. It was crazy. It was unamagine somebody said, you're gonna have all of those people in a recording studio at the same time, You'd be like, what, I don't think so, so we begged him and we had a plan. We were staying at the Westwood Markuee out in Westwood. Yeah, it was kind of one of the hot hotels at that point, and it was also off the beaten path because it was all the way west. And we went back to the hotel to celebrate and we got Bobby, and Vickie was there and Gwen was there, and we all went up to his suite and hung out and I said, Okay, none of us are going to paid early tonight. We're gonna hang out with him because we gotta keep him in the hotel. So we got to create your was absolutely a plan. Is that a party with six people? Well there were more, the whole band was there, a few other people, and you know, but it was basically in the house. Because that's not really like socialized. It doesn't let any nobody come hang in the hotel suite. But the whole point was just, you know, let's let's keep the talk going. It was a great night. We won awards, and to celebrate, and let's toast and even have a couple of extra drinks or maybe he'll fall asleep because he wasn't a drinker. He was like, he'd have two drinks in Carloston Charlie's and be sitting on the floor gagling literally literally, Um yeah when it come to drinking. Absolutely so that that was the whole plan. And I guess it got to be about one o'clock, maybe one three. I can't tell you exactly what time. And um, we finally figured okay, and it was a piano in his sweet and he was playing, and you know, it was, you know, big party the in house, all of us celebrating because it has been a great night. And um, so finally figured it was safe and I was exhausted, so Gwen and I went to our room and the little party broke up, and I'm thinking mission accomplished. It's all good. About three o'clock in the morning, the phone rings in my room and it's chick buddy. We got a problem. That's how it always starts. How many times wait, wait with pause? How many times have you gotten a call from Chick where it's buddy, we got a problem. Knock that often. We didn't have a lot of problems. But so you already were bracing yourself. No, I thought we were cool. I thought mission accomplished. Said he's had a couple of drinks, he's getting sleepy, he's you know, he had his his fun was his with his posse, and we gave him all the props he needed to feel important. Didn't feel good about the night, you know, and he was already talking about the song he was gonna do for the album. It's Steve reminded us of So I'm thinking we're good. Well, not only did he called Chick to go out after we all disappeared, and they also had I think Wally was with him, Wally Stafford and another bodyguard named Larry, and they went to Carlos and Charlotte's, and some paparazzi mobbed the car and they got into a pushing. I guess they tried to stick the camera in the window of the car window or something. And and at any rate, there was a spat and the photographer said that he had been attacked, and um um, I guess Larry the bodyguard who was like twice your size. I mean, the guy was freaking huge. He's like he was like Tyson Fury huge. And um, I guess he did push him or shove him or smack him or something. I don't know what he did. At any rate, the police locked up Larry. So it wasn't just about Princes having this issue that is now going to be in the press. But you also had our bodyguard dudes on tour with us in jail, so I had to deal with that how to get him out? And sure enough USA today and a lot of the papers that they're talking about prints attacking and photographer at Carlos and Charley's, while the whole record industry is doing, We're in the world and it's exactly what happened. So do you think it was ego that made him not want to participate in that, or like he's notorious for not letting people watch him record his vocals. Do you think that might have been played a part of it. I never thought that that might have been part of it. But he wasn't going to be doing really lead vocals. So I don't think that was that big of an issue. It's like he never never wanted to be part of anything that that he didn't have control over. I mean, if you if you think of all the other people's records that he appeared on, they were almost was tracks he produced or head input or head control. He just the same goes with you're gonna play like this, Yeah, but then you guys mix him like so you can't hear him? So is he even really there? Yes, he's there that you know what now that HUEI So Huie reveals that, um, I didn't know Chef Carloson Charley. Yeah, so he has a story like he he has a Eddie Murphy. Yeah, he chef was part owner of Carlson Charles. He tells the story of Eddie Murphy getting into a tussle with a fan the night before his first day of shooting Beverly Hills cop and so Eddie actually has to go to the Beverly Hills jail and it took method acting and it took I guess the president of Paramount had to call up Sheep to see if chef could pull strings. Chef had like pulled with the Beverly opd back then or whatever, and said, look, this guy has to be on set tomorrow at five am. Yeada YadA woo, and took a lot of easing into that. But Sheep also remembers, uh that night, that's how I knew that he owned was part owner Carlos and Charlie. The thing is is that when Huey lewis Revelle, so there's a point when you's like telling what the experiences like. And I think at the last minute they realized, ship, we don't know everbody's singing Prince's part. And just at the last minute, Quincy looking from the huie, you sing it. And then I realized, oh, Michael Jackson, you slide devil like you purposely set up this, this this game of horse once again for Prince to follow you. And it's done in a key. Prince rarely sings in in uh e minor. It's it's it's too high for him to sing, it's too low for like he rarely sings. It was shokodels in e minor like I can count like and and Dorothy Parker he changed the speed of his voice on that song too, exactly That's what I'm saying is done in that. And you know, Dorothy Parker is more him going all over the place but not sticking in that key. So I can't imagine him singing. I've never heard him singing a song. So when I realized that, I was like, oh damn, Michael Jackson set him up again. Oh wait, I don't want to end it on a bad prince. All right, that's enough, no, okay for you. Purple Rain was the most historical, and yeah, I mean it's as a tour, it had to be. I mean, what James Brown, We didn't tour. We worked. It's so there were certain gigs that were more significant than others. But but it's it's it's hard to isolate a tour because we just worked all the time out of the year exactly. Okay, So my last question is what do you think you have a top three? Damn, this show is good moment and I know that most of the time your backstage, you know, handling business, preparing for Like do you have you ever watched any of your clients shows from beginning to end from the front of the house occasion, sure, just for nothing to do or just just to make sure that nothing goes wrong, like are you looking at the lights of and or are you just They're like, okay, I trust that for the next hour and a half, the world's not gonna come to an end and blah blah blah. Has this backstage? Or there was a James Brown show at the at the Old Spectrum in Philly and the Cells were on the show right and the Dells were red hot at the time, and they killed and James was backstage. I tell the story in the book. He was backstage pacing, going berserk. He told Danny Ray to go out there and pull him off stage. They're staying on too long. They had they had the crowd in the poplar hands. Now they're blown it because they didn't. They're not professionals. They don't know when to come off. And it was all because they were killing. The place was going to preserve m hmm. And wait, was there stage though that good? Or is this the Hits or just Marvin Jr. Was just God of singing. They could sing. The Dells were no joke. I mean, they had the typical choreography and they were good at it. But but and a couple of more decent looking guys. But I mean they weren't the Temptations, but goddamn they could sing Marvin. Yeah, neither was Johnny cart exactly. And their harmonies, they their group harmonies tended to be a little more sophisticated than the average duop group. Right. Um and they and they had they had a string of great sun Stepney before he did their biggest hits. Um, and they were killing. This was right at the peak of their their thing. James was going crazy. I've never seen him like that, and it really was remarkable to me because I had never seen him actually show any nerves like that. And I mean he was dressed and pacing and smoking a cigarette, which you never did until he would he would smoke. He didn't smoke, but he would smoke a cigarette as he walked to this age and then hand it to somebody as he walked onto the stage. And I guess it had something to do with his voice, and he believed it did something for his voice that raps came from. Unless it was just a nervous happened or is this nineteen seventy, This is seventy or seventy one, I can't remember. This is super prime James yeah. Oh yeah, that guy was good. Yeah. I think he meant mustache. No no, no, no, no no no, no, no no no, this was this was no facial hair James. This was a James. And this is nineteen seventy. My parents are at this show because my mom said that my first kicks were at a Dell's concert. Anyway, Okay, so you were there, Yeah, suffice it to say, if you remember the Spectrum, the stage was in the round, in the middle of the arena, and it actually revolved through it slowly revolved. So the idea was that every seat would get a front review at some point. Spectrum or Valley Forge Music Fair, Spectrum, yeah, they have one, not the only place that had it. But yeah, anyway, long story short places soldier. It's packed, it's really big show. And he comes out and in order to get to the stage because it's in the middle of the green and you got to create a space to get from the locker rooms across to the stage, and of course as security, and you create a human fence with security and so on and so on, and and I mean he got mopped. I mean they were people were diving over the security just to tear at him. He got to the stage, his jacket was already torn. I mean literally he hit the stage with it was kind of a shirt jacket and it was like a jumpsuit type town or seventies and and it was torn. And he looked a little bit disheveled because he going through this. And it was probably the most intense show I've ever seen him too before since. I mean, it was just absolutely on fire and memorably so. And who was the band probably so it was it was boosting them and I can't remember if they don't have any um, but I mean, he was just amazing. He was just just just the Bambo was tight. Clyde was there. He had come back, so we had Clyde and Jabbo both on stage. I can't remember if Pinkney was back yet, probably because he was he had come back. But it was just and in the place, and of course a lot of it had to do with the audience was amped. It was just people weren't preserved um. So that's memorable. But quite honestly, and Princeman Annex will hate me for this. The most musically gratifying shows I've been part of since my James Brown years. Thank you very much, Dalter, don't do that. Don't do that. That's not true. That's not good man. Yeah, seriously, dude, but no question. Our show was just by the transitive accium. This show was a parade. Parade. Now do you see how he says our show? He doesn't realize I could be talking about the more recent shows with Chris. Are you telling me good ones? Good one? No? Seriously, I played agree with you. I played tapes of those shows. Like their new records, they're in steady constant rotation in my house. We're never gonna get that live album? Are we that voodoo live albums? No, we aren't. That silence there, there were some coded words there. It's always a possibility, never, never say never. That's the That's the one moment in my life where I felt I was living history in real time, like something historical. And it wasn't that because it wasn't because like that was my first taste of something major, you know, because by that point, like we had just broken through the other side as the roots and you know, like just slowly started to creep to a satisfactory level of celebrity whatever. But um, you know, for me, nothing will ever beat that Minneapolis show and got Prince Fans will kill me. It was just it starts. See the Minneapolis show starts with we. We were summoned to the park at one m. At one M. Well, are you talking about that experience? Are you're talking about the actual gig? No? No, no no, But that experience leads to the gig. And you know, it was a really weird night with him. I've had great nights wood prints, I've had weird nights wood prints. We had nights wood prints. But it's like we we were there for three hours, and to me, the highlight of the whole night. Now, we played with him for an hour. We sat in the studio with him for an hour, listen to music for an hour, And to me, the best part of the whole night was the forty five minutes we took out to watch an HBO special by a comedian named Dave Chappelle that was on rotation in his nightclub. You know, this guy is really funny, you said, And we sat and watched it. He had Dave on that one on the Beach one special, which one the Love for One Enough other special. Yeah, Dave comes out like in the middle of it and does like a five minutes see or something like that. I was disinvited from that, remember, were then I became disinvited. Even Richie the driver, who's the driver, Robbie the driver like couldn't drive us in the gates because he had been banned from Like we had to walk through the snow to get there, not the snow, like I just remember he could. It was the summertime, right or honestly, no, I started the show started in March. Yeah, it was summertimes or early fall. Yeah, but I just remember that Robbie was like, I'm not allowed to drive through, so you guys to walk through. Yeah, that's weird. And that's where the night got weird. But he had worked for him for years, right, old person assistant, you know we know. So wait, don't we saw that, Robbie? Yeah we do? Yeah? Yeah. And that was August of two damn. What the internet is amazing? Damn? And this the show I saw? It was two days after that. What did you see Indiana the expo? No, I'm you're anyway? So uh we left is that there must be a Perkins restaurant or some sort of pancake house that's near there and Robbie took us to it, and me and d were our first words was like, yo, man, I feel like we didn't know how to feel because the night was just weird, Like he was talking weird. What didn't you call me? And I don't remember who? And you said, We've been quiet in the car all the way and I feel like I need a bath. Yeah, I said, never forget it. It was such a weird violation because I'd never experienced. You know, now, I'm very careful about like, oh, don't meet your idols, they might disappoint you. But that was such an ambush that we weren't ready for. And we sat there for like three minutes. I was like, yo, like wait, was he trying to diss us or what do you what do you think? That's what? Like? We just sat there like not knowing what happened to us. It was like some aliens side in your heads. He he didn't get in our heads? Yeah he did, you just said he did? Basically, it wasn't he. I was disappointed he tried to get in our heads because you know, I mean, no no secret. I know he was like, you know, dude, watch out for like you whatever, and yeah, all that stuff label, but I bootlegged old stuff that's out there, and so we said, I don't know. The next day, like you know, we we went to our rooms next day, and then backstage I was he was like, how do you feel, man, I don't know, and I was just like, yo, man, let's just let's do it. Because the thing was we wanted to know was he gonna come to this and he had conveniently Well, we should also preface that John Breen didn't help at all with this one. Like John Breen probably wrote the most scathing Prince taunt, and I felt like he thought he was doing something good but like trying to provoke Prince into or no, just to return to his yeah, that sort of thing. So he wrote this whole he wrote yeah, but he wrote this whole thing about like you know, like a new Kings in town. And I read the article and I was like, oh, this is so over the top, Like John, you're not helping, You're making people hate us. And I don't know. It's just when we performed, when he performed Devil's Pie, he brought that halle Berry energy and by the time we got to we asked your brother to uh Solong lady, and it was just like I felt we were on fire, like I thought we were going to levitate, and the audience was dead, and I was nervous about all that, like we're in his town and we know his spies are here and whatnot. I don't even believe that he went to Egypt that day. I just think he just told us that, just know he knew enough to know you were gonna kill and he didn't want to be man I was. You know, it's it's that's that's the side of him. God rest assult just as so annoying and not necessary. It's it's just like an a really brief comparison. Talk about this in the book too um for him to talk to you and d And I remember D told me because John had also done a story about me becoming Deed's part manager co manager and you know, it's small media towns and that's a big deal. And Prince sent the Deeds all only it's your manager, you know, just kind of like what's wrong with two? And I'm like, what, didn't you think that he would be proud that somebody who learned the business a great part of the business through him with him goes on and their career grows the same way that he hires you because you And this is the comparison when Purple Rain Blue Up, James Brown did an interview with MTV for whatever reason, and one of the questions they asked him was, how do you feel about the fact that you're playing clubs and you've got Michael Jackson and particularly Prince who are selling out to reading us all over the world and they're basically this generation's version of you. And Brown says, well, there's a lot of my people over there in Princess Camp, you know, namely Alan Leads. And I was like, thank you, godfather, you know. But now that was also him trying to take credit for you know. It's like, well, that's because I let him have my people. But but he was the next time I saw I might tease him about that, and he was like proud. I mean, he was like, you know, when I hired your kids, I knew you were going places and you gotta be careful now you you're in a fast track now. And he gave me fatherly advice. But he was actually proud that somebody who was a novice under him had worked his way at to the point where he was on the biggest freaking tour in the decade, and you know that ain't gonna be Prince. And it was just unnecessary because Prince and I never really fell out. He called me, you know, usually when he's through with somebody's through, but he called me back to set up a Japanese tour for him in the nineties. He needed somebody to deal with the promoters. I didn't go on the tour, but at that particular time, he didn't have a tour worthy staff of of of back line people, and he said, I need you to find me a production manager and I needs you to negotiate the deal with Hudo, the promoter in Japan. I owed him some dates, but I just need you to set up the crew and do some of the do the tour managers stuff. But you don't need to go on the tour. Just hire somebody to go. And he's like, you know, it can't be like it used to be. You can't be calling me all the time. We're not going to hang out. But I'll pay you well and just do what you do. You know. I'm like, okay, cool, you know that's good for me, right, And then a couple of years later, he called me. Didn't ask me to do the liner notes for the Hits package UM, which was the first ever collection of his records outside of sequenced albums and UM, and he said, and I said okay, but he said, well there's certain things I once said, and I said, okay, so let me interview you. And he said, great, let's do that. And of course he had bright of approval or the finished products. You you interally said on the phone, and most of what's in those liner notes, all the little tidbits about each song came from him. You recorded this, damn it Allen, because you know, I was glad man. It was all impromptu. If we had set it up in advance, I would if you don't men the famous phone stuff. But no, it was just like we're talking about and he says, well, just interview me, come on, do it now, and I'm like, well, tell me once telling you you know something, And with no preparation, we just just and you telling me stuff. So it's you know, there was some respect there and we were cool. And occasionally I run into him on the road. I dropped in and released party once what used to be the Village Gate that it was life for a minute, and so on. And you were there that night. We were there with Chris ship I didn't know you. That was I didn't know you. That's right, that's the night I first met him and I was not then listened and there was a problem getting it and Chris, Chris said it me, you got a let him in and just pulled one of those things and Prince gave me a huge hug and we talked for a few minutes. You know, um, and you know so, I mean it's I don't get it. I just don't get it, and us don't know the out of me, because that means that you did some beef. That means you did something right. Like if you weren't a threat, there's an artist now, that's that's that's it. That's it. And and and you gotta understand when we came through with Voodoo, and particularly in light of the video and how everybody was obsessing over the video, which became MTVS Video of the Year. Yes, I'm sorry, and you know that that was a threat to him. He didn't know how far this was going to go. There was a threat because this is this is a kind of commotion that he got when he broke out exactly the same kind of commotion. It's like, here's this sex symbol, this this crazy guy that girls are going reserk over. And he wears you know, tights and crazy clothes that men don't wear. And the song was obviously influenced by well what wasn't Yeah, you know, but I mean that one was almost like a rewriter. She's just a baby. Let's be honest. We didn't know that then, really, I'll be honest, we didn't know that. We didn't know that. Then maybe it's a deep too. I mean I I didn't know who cares? No, they didn't, who cares? You know? It worked? Um, so I think he really did. And that's that's why the that's why the weird news that night. So, uh, your third one, Black Massariah tours over anything. We're prints. Yeah, that's just about personal where my spott is musically, Um okay, it's it's about the churchiness. It's about the fact that he had amazing bands that had more freedom to play than princess bands did. Princess bands were always scripted. It's not they weren't good bands. It's not that they couldn't play. Eight but everything he did was scripted. Mhm. It feels like D was going for more the after show Vive m hmm. Yeah, but even that I don't think gives a credit because there's a there's a jazz mentality that goes with um. The Voodoo Tour was a little more scripted than the stuff that we did later, because the stuff we did after Black Massiah was a little looser. And actually we would change sett lists from night to night for a bit, and and and he he didn't have the same relationship with Chris Dave that he had with you. So as a result, Chris would go rogue occasionally and it might drive d crazy. And then there were nights where d would be like, yo, I love that ship. That's dope, And the next night Chris would do something crazy and he would be like, man, would you tell him to just keep time not need a mirror? You know? It was that kind of thing Yang and Yang. But at some music head, I'm loving this ship because I'm sitting there watching him and Pinot every night, and it's like every night they surprised me with something, so I'm I'm like pretending it's jazz and I'm not even listening to everybody else, I'm just listening to the rhythm section, and Sharky is like amazing. Um, you know. So, so here's an artist who has had two landmark bands now overall Soultronic. It's that's the band of the the era. That's no, there won't be a better better for lack of a better way of putting its soul band. Um, probably in our lifetime. Um the Roots and his next band are probably next. And it's a lot of the same people. So duh. But that's what Matt see. What got me into James Brown wasn't just James Brown? Who was the band love music and and And I'm the person who listens to her record And it doesn't even hear the singing until I hear the track. And if the track doesn't move me, I don't care what the singing is. And I don't care if I like the singer or not. If the track is smoking, I like the record, And forget lyrics. I don't even know what lyrics are. The lyrics always come last for me too. Um, sometimes they may even come at all to because I don't even care unless they're unusually profound. I mean, you know what's going on. Sometimes I find out the lyrics and I was like, oh, maybe I should just continue ignoring them, right, all right, So when is your next book coming out? I gotta figure out what it is first, And I had a couple of ideas, have actually started on one, but I'm I don't know. It's it's it's like I'm the angel loads I think I want to do the most is not the most commercially viable. So I've got to figure out, like, Okay, the one I want to write, it couldn't actually get published, and is there a chance somebody would publish it? A and B you could sell a few copies? Um, you know, as opposed to everybody says, right, a Prince book, that's the fastballs down in the middle, because there's more of a market and for the kind of things I would write about, it's probably the most marketable idea. But there's so many Prince books. But I will say that, but you you and Gwen's take in wax Poetic, I've read that ten fifteen times at least, Like I think, really, I feel like if there's someone that would give us the definitive oral history of at least the I mean, I'm limited by just saying the Purple Rain Tour or whatever I think all Revolution members which trust you to talk to them, or whatever I feel like you could get and now or maybe ladies and gentlemen, you know the guyfather of all tour management, Quest Love Supreme, the Quiet Edition, We miss you all right and so more with Allen Lee's definitely check out our interview from with him in the archives, Yes, the archives. Yeah, well, thank you. Uh, and uh, hopefully you'll be here for a third round of course. Love Supreme beat Jimmy Jams record. Yes, because I think we're not tied now. Yes, you're so tired with him? All right, I wanna be up of Sugar Steve and Boss Bill and I'm paid Bill and Fonte and lay Brood here. Yeah, they're they're they're coming on one day. Uh, this question Love, Thank you all. I appreciate it. And this Supreme Heart Radio see all the next go round. Quest Love Supreme production of I Heart Radio. This classic episode was produced behind the team at Pandora. For more podcasts from my Heart Radio, visit the I heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.