“From my perspective, one of the reasons we tell stories is it helps give us a sense of who we are, we use stories to affirm our identity. And that's part of the reason why we don't actually like to call them stories, because if we call them stories, and we begin to see that the self is actually rooted in construction, made up interpreted reality, it can be very threatening to us and to our sense of who would I be without this story. And so that's one of the things that I really love about this is you can begin to see that my sense of self has to change, if I'm willing to look at my stories, what is going to happen is my sense of who I am is going to change.”

So says Courtney Smith, a coach, facilitator, and dear friend who is schooled and trained in many different modalities: Conscious Leadership Group, Byron Katie’s work, the Alexander Technique, and the Enneagram. She is one of my favorite thought partners because of the range of her intelligence and the structure of her mind: She was a math econ major who happens to have a J.D. from Yale and a masters in public health from NYU. Before taking a turn toward the mystical, she was a McKinsey consultant. So in short, she’s a multi-hyphenate Renaissance woman whose bookshelf looks much like mine. You might remember Courtney from our conversation on Pulling the Thread about the Enneagram—if you missed it, there’s a link in the show notes—but today, we’re going to talk about Stephen Karpman’s Drama Triangle: What it is, how to know when you’re in it, and how to move past it…while recognizing that you’ll be in another one soon enough. We also do a little bit of live coaching and role-playing, so you all will really get a sense of how this powerful tool works. 

Meanwhile, if you want to work with me and Courtney, together, we’re hosting a workshop from May 17-19 at the Art of Living Retreat Center in Boone, North Carolina. It’s called “Choosing Wholeness Over Goodness” and will be a combination of On Our Best Behavior and Courtney’s techniques. Honestly, I can’t wait—I hope you’ll all join us. The link to sign up is also in the episode page, or the link in bio on my Instagram account, @ eliseloehnen. 




MORE FROM COURTNEY SMITH:

My Workshop with Courtney at AOLRC: “Choosing Wholeness Over Goodness”

First Pulling the Thread episode: “The Practical Magic of the Enneagram”

Courtney’s Website




ALSO MENTIONED:

The 15 Commitments of Conscious Leaders

Elise’s Substack Newsletters:

Ending the Manel

The Perception (and Reality) of Scarcity

Who Gets to Be an Expert?



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“From my perspective, one of the reasons we tell stories is it helps give us a sense of who we are, we use stories to affirm our identity. And that's part of the reason why we don't actually like to call them stories, because if we call them stories, and we begin to see that the self is actually rooted in construction, made up interpreted reality, it can be very threatening to us and to our sense of who would I be without this story. And so that's one of the things that I really love about this is you can begin to see that my sense of self has to change, if I'm willing to look at my stories, what is going to happen is my sense of who I am is going to change.”So says Courtney Smith, a coach, facilitator, and dear friend who is schooled and trained in many different modalities: Conscious Leadership Group, Byron Katie’s work, the Alexander Technique, and the Enneagram. She is one of my favorite thought partners because of the range of her intelligence and the structure of her mind: She was a math econ major who happens to have a J.D. from Yale and a masters in public health from NYU. Before taking a turn toward the mystical, she was a McKinsey consultant. So in short, she’s a multi-hyphenate Renaissance woman whose bookshelf looks much like mine. You might remember Courtney from our conversation on Pulling the Thread about the Enneagram—if you missed it, there’s a link in the show notes—but today, we’re going to talk about Stephen Karpman’s Drama Triangle: What it is, how to know when you’re in it, and how to move past it…while recognizing that you’ll be in another one soon enough. We also do a little bit of live coaching and role-playing, so you all will really get a sense of how this powerful tool works. Meanwhile, if you want to work with me and Courtney, together, we’re hosting a workshop from May 17-19 at the Art of Living Retreat Center in Boone, North Carolina. It’s called “<a href="https://artoflivingretreatcenter.org/event/faculty/loehnen-smith/choosing-wholeness-over-goodness/?utm_source=Faculty&amp;utm_medium=Referral&amp;utm_campaign=loehnen+smith+referral">Choosing Wholeness Over Goodness</a>” and will be a combination of <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/17662/9780593243039">On Our Best Behavior</a> and Courtney’s techniques. Honestly, I can’t wait—I hope you’ll all join us. The link to sign up is also in the episode page, or the link in bio on my Instagram account, <a href="https://www.instagram.com/eliseloehnen/">@ eliseloehnen. </a> MORE FROM COURTNEY SMITH:My Workshop with Courtney at AOLRC: “<a href="https://artoflivingretreatcenter.org/event/faculty/loehnen-smith/choosing-wholeness-over-goodness/?utm_source=Faculty&amp;utm_medium=Referral&amp;utm_campaign=loehnen+smith+referral">Choosing Wholeness Over Goodness</a>”First Pulling the Thread episode: “<a href="https://eliseloehnen.substack.com/p/the-practical-magic-of-the-enneagram">The Practical Magic of the Enneagram</a>”Courtney’s <a href="https://www.courtneysmithconsulting.com/">Website</a> ALSO MENTIONED:<a href="https://bookshop.org/a/17662/9780990976905">The 15 Commitments of Conscious Leaders</a>Elise’s Substack Newsletters:<a href="https://eliseloehnen.substack.com/p/ending-the-manel">Ending the Manel</a><a href="https://eliseloehnen.substack.com/p/the-perception-and-reality-of-scarcity">The Perception (and Reality) of Scarcity</a><a href="https://eliseloehnen.substack.com/p/who-gets-to-be-an-expert">Who Gets to Be an Expert?</a> Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

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