“When we can pause for a moment and rifle through all that noise to figure out what the root of the fear is, then we can be with it in a meaningful way, rather than just let it run our lives. And a little bit of fear of death and a little bit of death anxiety is totally normal, for all of us. I mean, it's that thing inside that tells you not to keep walking when you get to the edge of a cliff, and even to like drink water, you know, hydrate, stay alive. It's in us. It's in our DNA. It's rooted in there. And so the goal is never to get over it entirely, but rather to learn from it, to be with it, to not let it run our lives, but rather to let it fuel our lives.”

So says Alua Arthur, a death doula and recovering attorney who is the author of Briefly, Perfectly, Human, which is a guidebook for both how to live and also how to die. Alua is the founder of Going with Grace, a death doula training and end-of-life planning organization. In today’s conversation, we talk about what it would look like to get our death phobic culture a little closer to the end, why people fear dying, and what can be gained when we recognize the priceless gifts that come when our lives come to a close. Let’s get to our conversation.




MORE FROM ALUA ARTHUR:

Briefly, Perfectly, Human

Follow Alua on Instagram

Going with Grace Website




RELATED EPISODES:

B.J. Miller: “Struggle is Real—Suffering is Optional”

Roshi Joan Halifax: “Standing at the Edge”

Frank Oswaseski: “Accepting the Invitation”



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“When we can pause for a moment and rifle through all that noise to figure out what the root of the fear is, then we can be with it in a meaningful way, rather than just let it run our lives. And a little bit of fear of death and a little bit of death anxiety is totally normal, for all of us. I mean, it's that thing inside that tells you not to keep walking when you get to the edge of a cliff, and even to like drink water, you know, hydrate, stay alive. It's in us. It's in our DNA. It's rooted in there. And so the goal is never to get over it entirely, but rather to learn from it, to be with it, to not let it run our lives, but rather to let it fuel our lives.”So says Alua Arthur, a death doula and recovering attorney who is the author of <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/17662/9780063240032">Briefly, Perfectly, Human</a>, which is a guidebook for both how to live and also how to die. Alua is the founder of Going with Grace, a death doula training and end-of-life planning organization. In today’s conversation, we talk about what it would look like to get our death phobic culture a little closer to the end, why people fear dying, and what can be gained when we recognize the priceless gifts that come when our lives come to a close. Let’s get to our conversation. MORE FROM ALUA ARTHUR:<a href="https://bookshop.org/a/17662/9780063240032">Briefly, Perfectly, Human</a>Follow Alua on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/going_with_grace/?hl=en">Instagram</a><a href="https://goingwithgrace.com/">Going with Grace Website</a> RELATED EPISODES:B.J. Miller: “<a href="https://chartable.com/podcasts/pulling-the-thread-with-elise-loehnen/episodes/104857619-struggle-is-real-suffering-is-optional-bj-miller">Struggle is Real—Suffering is Optional</a>”Roshi Joan Halifax: “<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/standing-at-the-edge-roshi-joan-halifax/id1585015034?i=1000617939441&amp;l=fr-FR">Standing at the Edge</a>”Frank Oswaseski: “<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/ro/podcast/accepting-the-invitation-frank-ostaseski/id1585015034?i=1000623281297">Accepting the Invitation</a>” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

Writer Elise Loehnen explores life’s big questions with today’s leading thinkers, experts, and luminaries: Why do we do what we do? How can we understand and love ourselves better? What would it look like to come together and build a more meaningful world?

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Writer Elise Loehnen explores life&rsquo;s big questions with today&rsquo;s leading thinkers, experts, and luminaries: Why do we do what we do? How can we understand and love ourselves better? What would it look like to come together and build a more meaningful world?
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