In this episode, David Groves interviews Phil Cooke about his new book, 'Church on Trial,' which focuses on crisis communication and reputation management for churches. They discuss the importance of transparency, proactive crisis prevention, and effective response strategies. They also touch on the changing cultural landscape and the need for churches to navigate societal shifts. The conversation highlights the significance of good governance and accountability within churches. Overall, the episode provides valuable insights and practical advice for church leaders and organizations.