Former president Thabo Mbeki and former Justice minister Brigitte Mabandla, in their application to intervene in the R167 million in constitutional damages litigation by families of victims of apartheid-era atrocities, argued that it is in the interests of justice that they be allowed to do so. The pair turned to the Gauteng High Court, Pretoria, on Monday, during which their counsel, Advocate Ngwako Maenetje SC, argued that it does not matter whether the damages case by the victims and families is not aimed at them. The outcome will still have an impact on them. Mbuyiseni Ndlozi is in conversation with Legal Expert Mpumelelo Zikalala.