Lerato Mbele speaks to CETA Board Chairperson, Thabo Masombuka and City Press reporter, Abram Mashego about the issue of the CETA CEO who has been accuses of interference in procurement processes. The CEO of the Construction Education and Training Authority, Malusi Shezi has sparked controversy with his plans for an extended overseas trip for his board members. According to documents reviewed by City Press, the government agency has already spent R4 million on flights, car hire, accommodation, and facilitator fees. The training authority is also allegedly intending to give each of the eight board members going on the tour at least R250 000 pocket money for other expenses, over and above the usual board fees.Those challenging the travel plans allege that the junket was initiated by Shezi to appease the board, as he faces allegations of impropriety. Shezi is facing several allegations from the current and former staff, including that he personally interfered with the procurement processes within the entity and has captured the board, which has likewise been accused of failing to hold him to account. The members of the board will also be jetting to Singapore, Indonesia and then Japan between September and November. In the memo obtained by City Press, which was presented on 27 May by Shezi, he wrote that the board needed to attend the study visit abroad to help the Ceta shape its strategy towards skilling the education sector. In this conversation, we speak to the CETA about the reports.