At least 32 employees and two MPLs have been accused of defrauding the Gauteng legislature in a forensic investigation initiated by the former secretary to the legislature. The Gauteng legislature has since denied that ANC figures, including former speaker Ntombi Mekgwe, covered up a scandal that saw nearly R500 000 in travel and subsistence claims improperly paid to staffers during the Covid-19 pandemic. We are in conversation with PTT Member, Ashley Mabasa on the allegations of corruption leveled against Comrades Lesego Makhubela, Chief Whip of the Gauteng Legislature and ANC spokesperson in Gauteng, and Vuyo Mhlakaza-Manamela, Deputy Speaker of the Gauteng Legislature.