This week on Pour Minds, it’s a couple’s couch takeover with Devale and Khadeen Ellis—real-life partners, actors, authors, and co-hosts of the "Ellis Ever After" Podcast. We talk about what it really takes to build a relationship that lasts. Khadeen shares how she made the first move at a scholarship banquet (gown and all), and Devale breaks down why a woman buying the first round didn’t scare him—it impressed him. They open up about getting married young, going through broke seasons together, and what it means to really choose your partner for the long haul.

We also get into doing “wifey things” before the ring, knowing the difference between red flags and real work, and why “pick-me” might not be the insult people think it is. Plus, Lex leaves us with a new prayer: “Don Julio, be blessed.”