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On this episode of Complicated Conversations we welcome back Carola Lovering, bestselling author of Tell Me Lies, to discuss her new novel, Bye Baby, a story that explores the complicated friendship between two women and a dark secret that binds them together. 

We chat with Carola about the premise for this novel; trauma bonds; writing suspenseful chapters that make you want to keep turning pages; the meaning behind the epigraph in her book; her obsession with obsession as a writing theme; and the surreal experience of seeing the Hulu adaptation of Tell Me Lies! 

Bye, Baby is out now! Buy it, read it, share it, and listen to our spoiler-free chat with Carola wherever you get your podcasts!

On this episode of Complicated Conversations we welcome back Carola Lovering, bestselling author of Tell Me Lies, to discuss her new novel, Bye Baby, a story that explores the complicated friendship between two women and a dark secret that binds them together. 
We chat with Carola about the premise for this novel; trauma bonds; writing suspenseful chapters that make you want to keep turning pages; the meaning behind the epigraph in her book; her obsession with obsession as a writing theme; and the surreal experience of seeing the Hulu adaptation of Tell Me Lies! 
Bye, Baby is out now! Buy it, read it, share it, and listen to our spoiler-free chat with Carola wherever you get your podcasts!

In Pop Fiction Women we deep-dive into the complicated women of books, movies and TV shows, along with the women that bring them to life behind the scenes. Think Fleabag and Phoebe Waller Bridge, Normal People and Sally Rooney, and so much more.

In each episode you can expect us to:

* Break down the protagonist as we ask what makes her complicated?
* Identify the best scenes, which can mean sweetest, funniest, or most badass. Anything we love.
* Recount the cringiest scenes. The ones that make you squirm. Sometimes it’s self-sabotage, sometimes it’s growth, but it’s always part of the process of becoming our complicated selves.
* Play arm-chair therapist in What’s Your Damage, Heather? An homage to the iconic line in Winona Rider’s Heathers, we discuss how these characters got to be the way they are.
* “What She Said” - the segment where we scour every essay and interview with the women behind the scenes and share some of our favorite first person quotes. Real life is as interesting as fiction here.
* Look into our crystal ball and ponder where these characters are six months later and five years later. Typically, Kate gets very real and Carinn gets buck wild.
* Provide a takeaway, aka that part in the podcast where we try to sound deep. We leave you with some parting wisdom, challenge each other with thought-provoking questions inspired by the work, and urge you to “stay complicated.”

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