Emergency departments are required by law to treat anyone who comes through the door. But the financial model behind that guarantee is under strain. 

In this episode of "Podnosis," Fierce Healthcare and Life Sciences Editor-in-Chief Ayla Ellison talks with Tony Cirillo, M.D., president of the American College of Emergency Physicians, about the business of emergency medicine—who pays, how much, and what happens when the math stops working.

To learn more about the topics in this episode: 

• Without new financial support, emergency departments, physicians struggle to meet rising demand: RAND
• Op-ed: What if the ER is the emergency?
• Op-ed: Emergency physicians are holding the line, but we can't do it alone