Title: Seeing Things That Are Invisible
Speaker: Pastor David Kschammer
Date: 21st June 2026
Location: Adelaide, Australia

Summary:

"How can you take your eyes off something that you can't see?" That question opens an episode built around a single line in 2 Corinthians 4: we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. Seeing things that are invisible sounds like a contradiction, and the episode sets out to show why it isn't.

Much of the ground covered here is ordinary. People say seeing is believing, then trust a great deal they have never laid eyes on. Scientists depend on instruments, calibration and mathematics rather than direct sight. Atoms were accepted long before anyone could observe one. Thoughts, love, patience and, as the episode wryly points out, stupidity are all invisible and all plainly real, known by their effects rather than their appearance.

From there it turns to Hebrews 11 and Moses, who endured as seeing him who is invisible, and to Elisha at Dothan, surrounded by an enemy army yet completely calm because he was certain of horses and chariots of fire he may never have seen himself. The closing point is a practical one. Faith here is not blind. It is persuasion built on evidence: answered prayer, changed lives and what God has already shown.

Key Points:
Looking at what cannot be seen is not a contradiction. The claim is that the unseen things are the lasting ones, and the visible ones are temporary.
Seeing is often about perception rather than eyesight. When someone says they do not see it your way, they are describing a different starting point, not different eyes.
Everyone already believes things they have never observed. Scientific work depends on trusting instruments, calibration and mathematics, and atoms were accepted long before anyone could look at one.
Invisible things are known by their effects, the way the wind is known by what it moves. Thoughts, love, patience and their opposites are all real without being visible.
Moses left Egypt without fear because he endured as seeing him who is invisible, and he was able to persuade others of something he alone could see.
Elisha at Dothan was calm in front of an enemy army because he was sure of the protection around him, and he prayed for his servant's eyes to be opened rather than for a bigger army.
The protection that surrounded Elisha is described in the New Testament as being inside the believer instead.
Faith here is persuasion, not guesswork. Jesus invited people to examine the works if they would not accept the words, and one day the seeing will not require faith at all.

Reference Scriptures:
2 Corinthians 4:18
Mark 16:16
Hebrews 11:1
Hebrews 11:3
Hebrews 11:13
Hebrews 11:24-27
Deuteronomy 18:18
Exodus 14:13
2 Corinthians 5:7
John 3:8
Romans 1:20
Galatians 5:22-23
2 Kings 6:8-17
1 John 3:24
1 John 4:4-6
1 John 4:13-14
1 John 5:19-20
Romans 8:16
2 Corinthians 5:1
2 Timothy 1:12
2 Timothy 1:14
Mark 16:15-20
Revelation 1:7
John 6:63
John 10:37-38

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The Revival Fellowship is a Bible-directed, Spirit-filled Church and we welcome visitors to our meetings at any of our locations worldwide. To find your nearest venue visit https://therevivalfellowship.com 

© 2026 The Revival Fellowship. All Rights Reserved.

Title: Seeing Things That Are Invisible Speaker: Pastor David Kschammer Date: 21st June 2026 Location: Adelaide, Australia
Summary:
"How can you take your eyes off something that you can't see?" That question opens an episode built around a single line in 2 Corinthians 4: we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. Seeing things that are invisible sounds like a contradiction, and the episode sets out to show why it isn't.
Much of the ground covered here is ordinary. People say seeing is believing, then trust a great deal they have never laid eyes on. Scientists depend on instruments, calibration and mathematics rather than direct sight. Atoms were accepted long before anyone could observe one. Thoughts, love, patience and, as the episode wryly points out, stupidity are all invisible and all plainly real, known by their effects rather than their appearance.
From there it turns to Hebrews 11 and Moses, who endured as seeing him who is invisible, and to Elisha at Dothan, surrounded by an enemy army yet completely calm because he was certain of horses and chariots of fire he may never have seen himself. The closing point is a practical one. Faith here is not blind. It is persuasion built on evidence: answered prayer, changed lives and what God has already shown.
Key Points:
<ul>
<li>Looking at what cannot be seen is not a contradiction. The claim is that the unseen things are the lasting ones, and the visible ones are temporary.</li>
<li>Seeing is often about perception rather than eyesight. When someone says they do not see it your way, they are describing a different starting point, not different eyes.</li>
<li>Everyone already believes things they have never observed. Scientific work depends on trusting instruments, calibration and mathematics, and atoms were accepted long before anyone could look at one.</li>
<li>Invisible things are known by their effects, the way the wind is known by what it moves. Thoughts, love, patience and their opposites are all real without being visible.</li>
<li>Moses left Egypt without fear because he endured as seeing him who is invisible, and he was able to persuade others of something he alone could see.</li>
<li>Elisha at Dothan was calm in front of an enemy army because he was sure of the protection around him, and he prayed for his servant's eyes to be opened rather than for a bigger army.</li>
<li>The protection that surrounded Elisha is described in the New Testament as being inside the believer instead.</li>
<li>Faith here is persuasion, not guesswork. Jesus invited people to examine the works if they would not accept the words, and one day the seeing will not require faith at all.</li>
</ul>
Reference Scriptures:
<ul>
<li>2 Corinthians 4:18</li>
<li>Mark 16:16</li>
<li>Hebrews 11:1</li>
<li>Hebrews 11:3</li>
<li>Hebrews 11:13</li>
<li>Hebrews 11:24-27</li>
<li>Deuteronomy 18:18</li>
<li>Exodus 14:13</li>
<li>2 Corinthians 5:7</li>
<li>John 3:8</li>
<li>Romans 1:20</li>
<li>Galatians 5:22-23</li>
<li>2 Kings 6:8-17</li>
<li>1 John 3:24</li>
<li>1 John 4:4-6</li>
<li>1 John 4:13-14</li>
<li>1 John 5:19-20</li>
<li>Romans 8:16</li>
<li>2 Corinthians 5:1</li>
<li>2 Timothy 1:12</li>
<li>2 Timothy 1:14</li>
<li>Mark 16:15-20</li>
<li>Revelation 1:7</li>
<li>John 6:63</li>
<li>John 10:37-38</li>
</ul>
Listen to the entire Podcast Revival library by visiting <a href="https://podcastrevival.com">https://podcastrevival.com</a>&nbsp;
The Revival Fellowship is a Bible-directed, Spirit-filled Church and we welcome visitors to our meetings at any of our locations worldwide. To find your nearest venue visit <a href="https://therevivalfellowship.com">https://therevivalfellowship.com</a>&nbsp;
&copy; 2026 The Revival Fellowship. All Rights Reserved.

Podcast Revival aims to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ to people all around the world through inspiring talks from speakers of diverse backgrounds and nationalities. The podcast includes messages that offer instructions for salvation and encourage listeners to live a life in obedience to God.

You will hear speakers from various countries that share their personal experiences and insights from the Word of God, providing a truthful perspective on Christian life. Listeners can expect to hear stories of transformation and hope, along with practical tips and guidance for living a life that is grounded in the teachings of the Bible.

The podcast features topics such as salvation, miracles, faith, and the second coming of Jesus Christ, providing an experienced understanding of what it means to follow God. Listeners can also expect to hear readings from the Bible and discussions on how to apply biblical principles to everyday life.

Overall, Podcast Revival is a valuable resource for anyone seeking to have a relationship with God and grow in their understanding of the Christian faith and how to walk in the Spirit.

Romans 10 v 17
So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Podcast Revival aims to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ to people all around the world through inspiring talks from speakers of diverse backgrounds and nationalities. The podcast includes messages that offer instructions for salvation and encourage listeners to live a life in obedience to God.
You will hear speakers from various countries that share their personal experiences and insights from the Word of God, providing a truthful perspective on Christian life. Listeners can expect to hear stories of transformation and hope, along with practical tips and guidance for living a life that is grounded in the teachings of the Bible.
The podcast features topics such as salvation, miracles, faith, and the second coming of Jesus Christ, providing an experienced understanding of what it means to follow God. Listeners can also expect to hear readings from the Bible and discussions on how to apply biblical principles to everyday life.
Overall, Podcast Revival is a valuable resource for anyone seeking to have a relationship with God and grow in their understanding of the Christian faith and how to walk in the Spirit.
Romans 10 v 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Podcast Revival

Talks straight from the Word of God.

Podcast Revival is a selection of talks from Revival Fellowship meetings from all across the globe.

Talks straight from the Word of God.
Podcast Revival is a selection of talks from Revival Fellowship meetings from all across the globe.

"How can you take your eyes off something that you can't see?" That question sets up a look at one line in 2 Corinthians 4, where we are told to look at the things which are not seen. It sounds like a contradiction, until you notice how much everyone already accepts without sight. Scientists trust instruments and calculations. Atoms were believed in long before anyone saw one. Thoughts, love and patience are invisible and obviously real. The episode works through Hebrews 11 and Moses, then Elisha at Dothan, calm in front of an enemy army because he was sure of what surrounded him. The conclusion is that faith here is persuasion built on evidence, not guesswork.