STEVE BLUM Visits the Pod of Rebellion!

Published May 6, 2025, 7:05 AM

Karabast! The group is joined by the great Steve Blum (voice of Zeb Orrelious) this week! Many Star Wars Rebels memories are shared and many stories are told. Steve also talks about his humble beginnings and odd jobs he had before he found his iconic success as a voice actor.

Every character has a life story. Even if it's a stormtrooper with a thirty second lifespan, you have to imagine that they've had a whole life before that moment that you see them on screen. And so not only are their mannerism is going to be a little bit different, their phrasing is going to be a little bit different, their movements, whether you know we're just voicing that or not, there's going to be some differentiation there because they're different people with different stories.

Hey, everybody, welcome to the Pod of Rebellion. My name is Vanessa Marshall, the voice of Harris and Doula Specter two. And today I have with me Hi.

I'm tsur Car, voice of Sabine Wren Specter five.

And we also have What's Up Taylor Gray as Ridger Specter six, and we have Hi.

I'm John Lee Brody, nonspector but full on moderator of this podcast. And usually this is where I say we're going over episodes such and such, but today is not that day. This is an episode that I feel like a lot of you have been waiting for. This person does not need much of an introduction, But even if I gave this person an introduction. It would probably take two hours because of how prolific their career and their life is. Guinness World Record most prolific video game voice Voice of a Generation. There's so many great accolades I could tie this person, but above that, this person is a dear friend to all of us, and I'm going to throw it to this person so they can give their official Potter Rebellion introduction.

Well, Hello, Potter Rebellion. I am so happy to be here. This is Steve Bloom, the voice of Garret Zebradios. Also no respective for to no mess with me real.

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Yes, sound of one hand clapping.

Right on the Simpsons episode right, it's right there, We're doing it right here, Steve. Welcome to the pot of Rebellion. As we all know, as our audience knows, May the Fourth was a couple of days ago. There's May the fourth, There's Revenge of the fifth. Today's return to the sixth is what we're gonna call it, but it's also return of Steve Bloom. I'm so happy you're here because over the past eight episodes were so Taylor, Tia, and Vanessa have been shared with me so many stories of in the booth and everything, and they, of course her name came up a bunch. Freddy's name came up a bunch. I can't wait to just hear some of your memories. And I guess that's where we can jump off with. Let's start at the beginning of when you first met these three amazing humans in the booth and was there a point where you knew, oh, we have something special here, Because for me as a viewer, I knew from the first frame you all were together that we had something special. But I'm curious of your point of view, and then all of you can weigh in on that.

Yeah, it was like meeting my family for the first time. Honestly, thanks to the genius casting that they did behind the scenes for all of us, they matched our personality so well to these characters. There was no effort at all. It really felt like the these people have been my family my whole life, and I was just so grateful that they took a big, old stupid gamble on me and brought me into the room with them. But man, this is one of the few casts that I've actually stayed in touch with also, and I love these people. I don't see them frequently enough, But yeah, I think walking into that room was such a pleasant surprise for the first time because we all started out separately doing our little shorts. I was in England at the time doing mine at a Transformers convention. It was all very surreal for me. I didn't really believe I was in a Star Wars show. I've been working on Star Wars games forever, but this was my first real Star Wars show. So walking into that room it became visceral really fast. And Dave coming in and being the ringleader and kind of introducing us to our own characters and to the other characters immediately tied us together as a family. I felt an immediate fondness for these guys. Yes I'm saying it out loud. Don't tell Freddy, Please, don't tell Frick. Yeah, but it was just one of those things where it was effortless is the best word I can use to describe it, because everybody fit the role so well and and fit the personalities of these familial relationships so easily too. So you know from the first moment, especially with Taylor, where you know it's like a toll big brother.

Can I say.

To the point where you know, he was just a pest at first to me, but he became my brother and we didn't go through the past part because I loved him immediately. Sorry Taylor, But but and Vanessa I've known forever and she's my sister, always has been te oh my god, this goddess walks into the room.

And yep, I go, oh my god. I got to play in the same way with her. So yeah, it was incredible from day one.

Steve, if I could blush, I would be blushing. I'm glad you said that. Mean well, sorry, no.

Not that far, because yeah, you can catch that check now.

I just meant I'm glad you said that it felt effortless because you're right, like it just it has always felt so easy, and maybe that's why we have remained close friends ever since. It has as we've been talking about for eight episodes or something like that. You know, it's been a while, and it doesn't even feel like this was eleven years ago that we started. How can that pos I was only five years old. Taylor was a zygo So I think that, yes, you're right, you reminded me it did. It did feel effortless, and it has ever since, and that's probably why it's so easy for us to stay close and in time be you know, continue our relationship far after, long after the show's ended.

Can I say so, admit to something that I completely completely forgot until right now. Early on, I remember telling my friends and I told my parents. I had done a few shows before where you're a regular on it, and in a live actually show, you're there every day, so like you're there seven am to seven pm every day with everyone, and so you naturally you didn't even see anyone else.

And we started the show.

After like the first like five episodes, I told my mom was like, oh, this is a shame, Like I really like everyone, but we only see each other once a week, once every two weeks. And I was like, I don't think we're gonna get close. I literally said this, and I said this to my friends. I was like, I just wish that this was like other shows where I was with them every day and we could bond. And I was like really sad about this. I was like, oh, well, I don't know how close, like how much of myself to give, and like I was so confused with it. And then after a season, I was like, oh, it's still gonna happen, Like this is amazing and in fact, like even closer than and other shows where I was like, oh, it's not necessarily the time spent together. It's like how you're spending the time together, and.

You bringing that up.

It was so so easy and seamless. But I remember being genuinely worried, like I don't know if I'm going to like really get to bond with everyone and like how much I can share my personal life and this and that, and so I love all you guys, and it's been beautiful that this is ten years on and look at it.

Yeah, I realized it.

Was that long. Wow.

When we were at the San Diego Comic Con, you know, of course Tia and I were granted access to the Mando MRK community with helmets and paintbrush. I mean, we were sobbing that night. I remember that first party. But the next day, I believe we went to like ten thousand press junkets, one of which was on a boat and then there was another. There was another like Entertainment Weekly photo and we did kind of like a Charlie's Angels pose together and there's a picture of the two of us, and I think Mary Elizabeth was in the picture too, where we're we're about to get on this boat. I mean, the whole thing. I've never known such panemonium in my life. Like you guys are on camera people, you probably are used to the whole red carpet that da dada. At that point I felt like, oh, okay, I see where we're going with this. Like I mean, I felt close to you instantly, and the way that I sort of became like space mom for real, you know, feeding people and whatever else, like our personalities definitely, I mean T and I talking about New York Giants scores all the time and this and that. Like, But for me, when we were in San Diego together and I remember by the end of the day we found a pretzel vendor and we basically got like eight pretzels and we were like wow because we were so starving to death. But it was only at that point that I felt I felt, oh, this is this is forever, meaning us as a group as a unit, that we hanged tough, we go without food, we do the grind, we sold on, we you know, posed for the picture. It was for me that was a next level experience and still to this day, the headshot that I use is when we went to the IGN interview. The woman took a picture of me that day, and it's like the best picture of the really kid. Yeah, and I think her name was her first name, Cherry. I have to look it up. But I reached out to her because somehow I saw it in the IGN stuff and I said, may I have access to this photo? And she gave me rights to use it and it's on my website. And I mean, granted that's ten years ago. I may need to like refresh and get real with myself, but hey, what's up, space mom? You know hot space mom. It's hard to say I may even go with my mullet shot as my new headshot. But I mean, I know you can see the resemblance, right, I know those of you who are listening, those are listening, Uh yeah, it's it's the usually send it to us well at any rate. But I'm just saying, like, for me, that was a very special weekend where I kind of felt like, oh, this isn't like a passing thing.

You know.

Yeah, I photo, yeah, but I'll also send it.

To you, but I didn't.

Really I'm jumping at the I've never you don't really research your friends except when you're doing a podcast.

You know what I mean.

Like, I like looked you up, which is very funny, and like ten years then I looked you up online, dude, eight hundred and eighty five projects on IMDb. That Like, it's stupid, that's crazy, that's unbelievable.

It's quantity not quality.

Yeah, that is. I mean, it doesn't even surprise me.

But I'm like, how is there enough time to do that?

Well, it looks really good for his age. He's actually ninety two years old.

I am, this is true.

Yeah, whatever, Like I say, Asian, don't raise the but whatever genetics you have clearly.

Puts. I want to dive into multiple things that I wrote down.

But I also, because I know you your whole past as a sexy musician, I'm playing that.

I always loved those stories that you would share.

Oh god, dude, it's so scary.

I actually reached out to the guy I used to play with years ago and he sent me some audio from some of the stuff that we used to do.

It was terrible. Oh my god, it was no, it was bad. It was really bad. But yeah, we were playing the whole circuit in Hollywood. We did the Troubadour was our home. We were there every week we played he played.

Did you play Rainbow Room? I feel like you told me.

Well, Rainbow Room is a different thing. Rainbow Room was above? Oh god, what was that above? It was there was a club there. Yeah, and Rainbow Room is actually above that's where the demons go to hang.

So that's it's like the after party room. The Rainbow Room is the after party room.

So you go up there and all the demons are hanging by their feet and dripping.

Yeah, oh god, what was that? It was the Rock.

Now, it wasn't the Roxy. We did play the Roxy, but it was. It was like near Gazaaris are one of those clubs you know.

Well the rocksy in the Rainbow Room share a parking lot.

Now, so that's what it was.

Yes, Roxy is right next because we would go from the Rainbow to then there's a place called on the Rocks, which is the place above the Roxy, which that place.

That that's going to be part of Rebellion after Dark.

Mullets mullets only, Mullets only for entrance, Yes, below the.

Waist, Yes, let's go. I'm telling you. Every session was more faun with steep it.

I know.

We all have.

There's there's a shirt that has a story, well, the space momming as you do. When people's stomachs would growl, I would say, I'll be right back, and I would go get them a banana, because that's sort of the tried and true. You put one of those in your gut, that sound stops immediately. So I would go in the kitchen. I would grab snacks. Plus, of course, my endless bag of treats, like my purse had jerky keto, snacks, nuts, you name it. But I didn't carry bananas. So but anyway, so Steve texts me this hilarious gift of a stormtrooper with a banana for a gun, given their aim is so true, you know, and I decide, you know what, I think I'm gonna make t shirts out of that, and that'll be like a thing. And I was giving them out for free to fans. And there are people and so if you do have a I think you guys are known as the potassium Troopers.

Right, So.

That's no, No, there's a six is it?

Six?

One?

Seven?

The folks up six months? What's this area code for Toronto?

No?

Six one. Seven is Boston.

There's six. It's the six because says.

Exactly so with all the dudes in a lot of the dudes in Toronto they represent with their Potassium Trooper shirts, and when I go to these events, they show up with them. But the backstory is that Steve found this, but I didn't want to print it without getting the express permission of the artist. And Stephen Quick is a lovely gentleman who.

Lives in the UK, and he's like, not only will I let you use that image, but then he painted Hara with a banana that is right up there, but you can't see.

I don't know how to show you the Hara banana pick. I'll have to post it on socials.

We'll cut it in because we're going to make this a social clip so people can see what we're talking about it.

We'll cut that in.

Well.

I hope that that those of you with your Potassium Trooper shirts will represent in the replies to the social post here. But we have Uncle Steve to thank for this whole thing. I love you, Steve.

I didn't remember that.

Yeah, that's that's all you. That's all you.

Yeah, and so influential and you don't even know it.

That's so weird. But the things that I influence are the scary scary part.

Yeah, well, Steve, I got this tattoo because of you.

I remember I shaved the area so you could get it.

Well.

Thanks.

So you see a lot of Toronto Storm Troopers won't be getting cramps in their and their calves or their hamstrings.

So that's just the positive influence people in Florida. There's all kinds of I mean, I printed a ton of shirts. The Kevin Weir who was in the five oh first the La Garrison. Kevin Weir worked with you know, he he fitted all the gear for all the troops here, and he's like, oh, well a friend of mine has a T shirt company. I can print how many do you want? And so I had this massive box and I would just take them to conventions and give them to people, or I would do giveaways on uh that thing Twitter that's formerly known as but we would do giveaways on that. And then we also had those fruity pebble t shirts the Rebels. Yeah, we had we had a lot of We had a lot of swag although yeah, not licensed sorry apologies, apologies, not not licensed. Well, that's the thing.

Outside of Rebels of I mean eight eighty five. I don't know how you choose what is your favorite. I'm still curious about what is your favorite project or character?

How do you choose? Dude?

That's why projects.

It depends on the week.

There's probably more than that too, because I did years and years of anime too that I wasn't even credited on.

I don't I don't know.

It's hard to say. It's week to week.

It's different like some weeks when I just worked on Transformers one recently, so Transfers was my favorite. Again, so cool because I played Starscream and Transformers Prime and a few other projects.

I don't know.

Cowboy Bebopa still lives on and go to conventions. It's still just as popular now as it ever it was, maybe even more so, which is crazy to meet twenty five years ago, which led me to meet the lady who is now my wife, Mary Elizabeth mc govern our own governor Price. So Bebop is president in my house all the time. That's actually from Bebop. That's my voice from Spike's last word in Bebop. That's the word bang. That's the audio file.

Force I have that one too, but a little bit of a different image.

Right, Well, once again, pot of Rebellion. After dark, We're going to have a whole deep dive into Taylor's Sleep of tattoos.

Steep reel talk. Who's your favorite past mates? Let's be real, Kenny, Oh god, I.

You I just wanted myself. I don't know.

No, I'm kidding, I'm kidding. Eight hundred plus, I mean eight hundred and eighty what was it?

Eighty five is what i's this morning.

That's literally like five lifetimes of work, more more than five lifetime.

So well, the thing is, though, I've had conversations with Freddie about this, that you know, when you're on camera, you guys make a lot more money than we do. So like twenty six episodes of Cowboy Bebop and a movie, I made less than one episode of Rebels, So what Yeah, so we got to literally work by quantity. And all the video games that I did most probably most of my credits, at least half of my credits I think are video games have been like over four hundred video games. There's no residuals on that, and most of them were at scale. So you know, just to make a living. I had to keep going constantly, and it's it's a constant hustle. So you know, part of it is just it's a numbers game and you got to just keep working saying yes to the exercise every time.

You know, that's a great thing to bring up because people I see those credits, and because the perception, unfortunately, is there's this unilateral perception if you're in the entertainment industry, whether you are number one the call sheet one hundred million dollar movie, or if you're just on that movie as like a day player, people think you're just like loaded. It's like, oh, you're in this movie that made a hundred million dollars, you must be doing great. And I'm so glad you brought that up, Steve, because we brought that up a little bit here on the podcast too.

We do talk about episodes, but we do.

Talk about that very thing where one me, I can speak very objectively. I wasn't on the show. I happen to love you all very much as humans, but I wasn't on the show. You know, voice acting gets pegged is like a lesser form of acting by certain people, but in so many ways from where I'm sitting it's so much more difficult, just like there's difficulties to be on camera, just like there's difficulties to be on stage on Broadway to try to win a Tony Award, And it's just unfortunate that that's the case. Eight hundred eighty credits. But most of those, it's not like you're a billionaire because you did eight hundred eighty credits. It's like you're saying, it's mostly I got a necessity you got to do. That's keep the bills paid. Yeah, I would do.

Five episodes for one hundred and twenty dollars so with no results.

Yeah, back in the day.

This is why we have bought I Get you Own Hawaii. Well he does, but he got there eventually. I mean, Vanessa knows what this is.

Like.

We've been in the trenches together for years, and I worked with Vanessa on you know, really good projects that we did get residuous for mostly Yeah, so we were lucky enough to work together on those. But even those, the pay rate is so much less than other things.

And like, yeah, it's interesting, like Young Justice, Spectacular, Spider Man, those things, But then you cut to now things that are streaming on Netflix, and this and that it gets even smaller it does.

Yeah, we get it's just crazy.

If anyone out there wonders why actors go on strike or feel like they have to go on strike, this is a pretty big part of why we have to strike.

Yeah, especially now with AI and they're stealing our voices and they want to use that indefinitely and not bas at all. So yeah, whatever living we were able to make before is in jeopardy unless we stand up right.

Yeah, See, Steve, I.

Have a question down the room, didn't it.

Well, let's bring it back up.

And this is a question that I'm going to throw to Steve, but I want to also throw it to the three of you as well, Tia, Taylor, and Vanessa. So, Steve, I remember reading an interview of yours from like twenty seventeen, and this is around like when we first met, when we started doing the YouTube channel with Freddy and everything, and I remember when you talked about how you were always like Stormtrooper one through three on video games and how you got to find your own voice because legacy characters are usually just taken by people that are much higher on the food chain for whatever reason. But you said you always found a way to individualize Stormtoper one, Stormtroper two, Stormtrooper three. I would love for you to get insight into what that is for you, what that's like for you, And then Tia Taylor, Vanessa you three, I've done some much very prolific work on your own two. How do you find your individual voices from project to project or from voice.

Boys A great question.

Wow, Well, most of the time that I've played Stormtroopers, I would cross it out no matter what it said, and just changes to Stormtrooper number three. Because it's sort of a running joke because in the video games, I did a lot of video games before Rebels and played a ton of Stormtroopers, and they're basically three of us who voiced all of the Stormtroopers in those games, and so I always called myself Stormtrooper number three, so I didn't want to be number one. So that said, and I tell my students this all the time, that every character has a life story. Even if it's a Stormtrooper with a thirty second lifespan, you have to imagine that they've had a whole life before that moment that you see them on screen. And so not only are their mannerism is going to be a little bit different. Their phrasing is going to be a little bit different, their movements, whether you know we're just voicing that or not, there's going to be some differentiation there because they're different people with different stories. So I've always tried to create a backstory for every character, even if they only have a few moments to live. You know, I just I think about what memories they might have, what got them there, you know, what led them to the empire? Were they taken as children and forced into it or did they do it willingly? All that crap goes through my mind for a fleeting second, and then you have to make that choice and jump in and do it. But it's become sort of automated over the years too, because in the early days, really an anime is where it began, where we didn't have the script until we walked into the room, right and though it was voiced before by the Japanese artists, we had to put our own stamp on it, and we had no prep time at all, So we had to come in with a point of view for every character, and even Stormtroopers deserve that love.

I love it.

One of my favorite things Steve. We've been rewatching obviously for this podcast, and I hadn't seen any of these episodes for you know, ten years since they came out, and I've been just delighted and amused that one of the like easter eggs for me rewatching has been trying to pick out all of the voices that are yours. I don't know if you guys are doing this as well, because of course they're all different, they're all unique. They're all you know, layered and interesting, and they have accents or they don't. And but I always know when it's you. I think there's probably some more in there that I didn't even realize for you. But every time I'm like, oh, it's deep. It's just a fun little Yeah, it's a fun little easter eggs that I you know, and also your voice is sprinkled all throughout the show like much more than just zeb But it's a fun little game I play when I'm rewatching it.

Hopefully it's not a drinking game.

We'll talk about that on the after Dark.

After Dark.

Vanessa had that drinking game for us.

Yeah.

I came up with one that every time Harris says hang on, which is like a thousand times.

Yeah, I think that there you go, it's Taylor's already playing. I mean, right, hang on, how for you, Steve?

Was I really and I've said this for I don't have much to go off of, Like my comparisons are in a different world of this. And the only other animated thing I think I've done was with Mary Elizabeth actually she directed me. Oh but outside of that, Like, how how is Rebels different than other projects? Because for me, I thought you always recorded together. I thought you heard the line before, you heard the line after, And then when I did the one with Mary Elizabeth, I was so confused. I was like, well, how did they say the line to me?

You know what I mean?

But because I'm just thinking of your the scope that you can look at things with so many different projects, like how is Rebels different to you?

Well, for the first half of my career, I worked in a vacuum. For anime, we work alone, and a lot of most video games too, we work alone. So getting to work on a prelay show like Rebels in the first place is just a lot more fun because we do get that back and forth banter we get to play. But it was so different for me because there was so much interactivity with the writers, with Dave, the people behind the scenes, We got to know them.

I never get that luxury.

So when David would come into the room and he'd basically lay everything out for us and give us the full scope and you know what he's trying to express, you know, with his view on life, even we didn't get that on any other show. I'm the only other show that I can equate that to was Wolverine and the X Men, where the the producer of that show would come to the room and scream at us and just say, you.

Don't understand, You're all gonna die.

And we were good friends with him too, and it was fun, but it wasn't like that with Rebels. David would sometimes in a four hour session, he would eat up an hour of it just talking with us and making sure that we really understood the context of what we were doing and the stakes too, so that I feel like it increased the gravity of the show tremendously for me when we had that background for it, and also that direct interaction with the creators of the show too, the writer's producers, everybody who was in that room. Sam working in the background yeah.

The first session that we had Ezra had not been cast yet. You were in Manchester, in a closet somewhere, or whoever you were in the UK, Birmingham you were, you know, you were some nice person gave you their closet to do the session. But I'm in there.

Yeah, close to the truth. I can elaborate on that if you want that.

Well.

I thought, yeah, I thought you were like, oh, I have session and someone nearby charitably gave you their studio near the event.

Is that right?

I was a Transformers convention and they sent me. They put me in a cab and they sent me out to the country and there was this like world class studio owner. Oh, I didn't want to go into his studio. He had a studio in London and one in Birmingham, I think, and he didn't want to go into his studio, but he had a home studio. So I went into his home studio and it was like mon pockhettl These these old sweet people who let me into their house.

They offered me a cup of tea.

They bring me upstairs into this booth with no air conditioning, and I'm just sweating my.

E's That's what I remember, Yeah, it was a closet booth, for sure. We well conversely, just so we're clear, And this is when I knew this was like another level of sort of this is not how normal voiceover jobs go. I'm sitting there Tia and Freddie, and I don't know Freddy from I've never seen his wealth of work. I guess it's just not my demographic. I'm not I'm neither you know, for or against. I'm sort of neutral and respect him as a human being, of course. But I slowly realized as that session is going on, like, oh, this guy is a huge deal. And I mean I was somewhat aware of that, but in a way we were all strangers. But they take out this huge bible that Okay, this is where you all sleep, this is the living quarters, this is the area of that blah blah blah. They gave us like this massive bible that shows, you know, sort of all the permutations. This is your character, mad, these are the basis of your character. Hara was originally supposed to be a portly maternal character. She became this. You know, I've never seen anything. I've never seen this extensive research. Maybe it has existed for other cartoons that we've done, Steve, but it was never shared. And this was the as a person who likes to eat, they ordered us lunch and it was sushi.

Okay, okay, that was one time, just for the rest road.

No, no, no, I understand, but I'm trying to tell you that I never felt so respected Nie that was. I was very touched by that that that that was a nod to our humanity. And they were like, you know, we have a ten year plan here. This is a really big deal. I mean I got a sense of like, oh my goodness, no one's ever bought me lunch before.

Yeah, every session that was well, of course.

But you're you so yeah, but that's writer. That's what we were dealing with and trying to familiarize ourselves with. Then I'm telling you that that never happens ever. So it was a unique situation there. And now, okay, that was the first day and that never happened again, as it as it couldn't because no one has that in their budget. But we were never hungry. I'm not saying that we suffered in any way, but but I will say that that set the tone for me that they cared enough to show us such a bible that we took that amount of time you're saying, so some times he took an hour like huddling us up like sometimes yeah, like a hockey team, you know before we hit the ice, like he had to, you know, get with us and give us the game plan. Equally, they did that, and presumably had you been in Los Angeles, you would have been there. And you know, had they figured out who Ezra was, Ezra would have been there as well. But that just signaled to me, this is a very special thing that may this is as good as a cats.

Guys.

Two things hit me in that way really hard. First was when d Bradley Baker came into the room and he walked up it up to me and Dee and I have worked together on a million projects, and he said, yeah, I know you've worked on some big projects before, but your.

Life is about to change. And went yeah, okay, right, sure it did.

It did, And then cut to We're we're all shuttled off to Orlando and I'm in a parade.

We're all in a parade. Oh yes, convertible.

Cars with our characters on it before anybody knew who we were. Yeah, and the line the streets and they were cheering for us, and I was saying, what the hell's happening here? I've never experienced anything like that since.

Yeah, that was a surreal That Star Wars Weekends was a whole like a surreal experience. And same for that first San Diego comic Con. I feel like that was like, no one had seen a second of our show, and yet five thousand people filled up that huge hall and word there and enthusiastic and wonderful and welcoming and excited, and yeah, I was like, what are they here for? They don't even know the show yet. And of course that was just my first inkling at what Star Wars fandom is like.

But my god, it was crazy. But like you said, Vanessa, respect was a huge thing. D and I went to Sandy you comic con. Both of us were there for different things. But we had a movie called The Box Trolls that was, oh right, it was in I think it was hall h It was a huge, huge, all eight thousand people or something. D and I weren't even invited to it. And we're on the cover of that. We are the Box Strolls. We created the language and they brought in all the on camera celebrities, but d and I were excluded from the screening. They wouldn't even let us into the screening for that. So that's what you used to do, that's what we mostly get, But it was very, very different with Lucas, and Lucas has been great to me for my whole career with them, from the very beginning, even the first games. Before I was working at Star Wars Games, I worked on a couple of Lucas's very first games, Lucasfilm's games, and even they were really kind and really nice, and the people behind the scenes were amazing to work with.

So I mean maybe Taylor and I were sort of spoiled in that way that we just sort of showed up not knowing what we were doing, hoping no one would.

Notice that we didn't know to do.

Like that was our you know, that was our first foray into like being on a you know, being on an animated show and you know, doing voiceover work, like real legitimate voiceover work, not just like a one off.

Here or there.

And yeah, I mean I didn't know that what a gift it is to get to record with your co stars every single episode until I did another show and I was like, but where is everybody? This isn't fun, this doesn't feel good. Yeah, all all of that stuff where you like take I was like, this is wonderful and not knowing that how how special and out of the norm.

A lot of that stuff was yeah, very much So well so.

Steve, I have a question.

I have a question for you, kind of piggybacking on how you individualize characters and extending on the question rather and how you gime my backstory. I want to kind of dive into your backstory a little bit again. From that same interview from twenty eight seventeen, you talked about some of the odd jobs you had before your voice career started taking off of you. You like refilled fire extinguisher, chip and nails, dances on the top. You were the thunder from down Under apparently was your uh here your Australian moniker, but refilling fire extinguishers working. We're working at it. But we're going to have that part of the social clip too. Jac's never put thing, so we're gonna have it all set up. Working at a pet store, you were working at Empire, I think Empire Entertainment. The people who are horror fans, and I'm a huge, huge horror fan. Empire Entertainment made movies like The Reanimator and Gholies and Goolies is that movie where the monsters come at you, like from the toilet and everything like that.

It's hysterical.

But because you have such a great appreciation for your career, you never seem like you never come off entitled. You know, eight hundred plus titles. Some people can come off as that was that grind. I'm sure. I'm sure that grind contributed to having that feeling of gratification, But also did any of those skill sets you got from those odd jobs transfer over to those backstories to your characters of those eight hundred plus voices?

They did, and in a lot of different ways well. Working at Empire, my first job there was as a warehouse guy. I was moving props around, and then I worked as a PA, so I was basically taken the boss's dogs to go get de skunked.

With that.

It's crazy with a shag carpet kit in my crappy used truck and I had to drive them forty miles because they didn't want to go to the vet around the corners. My truck would stink for six months. It was that kind of stuff, making bank runs with you know, five hundred thousand dollars worth of gold in my car and I had to do it without a guard. Crazy crazy stuff that I was doing to that company. So yeah, that's where the gratitude came from. Also, one of my first jobs also, I was working in the mailroom. When you're a PA, you work in the mailroom too. One of my very first jobs. And we were in Hollywood, and one of my first jobs was picking up condoms in the parking lot from the night before because it was a hidden spot.

So wow, so that was pleasant. Yeah.

So all of that stuff, plus I serviced fire equipment in downtown LA.

I worked on skid row.

With junkies and unhoused people throwing up on my shoes while I'm trying to work and working in the pet store. I had a lot of really crazy jobs and I've used them all. Probably the most direct job that I had was probably in the fire service business. I used to service fire extinguishers in downtown LA and so I was out in the street on the curb, literally working in the street on skid row and pouring this ABC powder back into the extinguishers after I fire them off, and then I clean out the insides and put them back together and recharge them. And so I was doing a loop group session for some movie at some point where we were talking about fire protection equipment, and I knew about fire protection equipment, and generally we try to do our research before we go in for a big looping session, and usually it's it's jargon for you know, police calls, fire calls, airport jargon, that sort of thing. And so we had all studied up for this thing. But Ad and tell us there was a big scene in a firehouse and a lot of jargon about fire equipment, and so they said, oh god, we didn't prepare for this. Does anybody know anything about fire equipment? I went, they went what?

I went, Yeah, what do you need to know?

And they said, well, we have this thing about fire extinguishers and nobody knows anything.

I know.

Oh my god.

I came up to the microphone and I just did this whole scene and they used all of it. And usually all that stuff gets stuffed way down, but they actually used all of that stuff. So there are those kinds of moments that I never thought I'd use for anything anywhere in my career.

Wow, But just the humiliation.

Of doing things like picking up condoms made me appreciate every moment of voiceover work because even though we don't get you know, we're not rich, but it's still so much better than any of the other jobs that I ever had to work with people like this, I get to you know, I made a new family in this business, and voiceover people are are my family now. I mean pretty much everybody I've ever worked with I'm really good friends with still, even you know, if I haven't seen him in thirty years. So yeah, it's just that profound appreciation goes a long way, but it does come up and things come up. You know, pet store people want to know things about pets in a looping sessions, usually looping where that stuff really comes specialty things, office supply. Worked in office supply. I worked at pet Boys for three years, so I knew a lot about tires. Who knew Yeah, So yeah, I feel like, you know, every little piece of experience you have is usable in what we do, whether you're on camera or not, even if it's just an emotion, you know, you you know what it feels like. To get a gut punch when you know you're pumping up a tire and you get slammed in the chest by a tool. So you know you can try like that, you can translate that effect into something else, so it's it's all worthwhile.

Deep.

Have you considered writing a memoir?

I tried, but I'm I got my attention is is just so limited. I actually have about five hundred pages of a novel that I was writing, an autobiography kind of thing sort of that I was writing a long time ago, and I just sort of dropped it. I have the pages somewhere and I'll get back to it, but I would read it back in it.

I just bored myself.

I didn't think, well, I would be first in line for that. And also if you want help, like if you need something like dictated for you, just tell me and I'll type it up for you. Like I feel like I think everybody in this room. I think everybody has their story. I think you don't have to be somebody who's a public figure to have a story that people can relate to and something that's compelling. But your story, in particular, Steve, just from you telling us service and fire extinguishers. We're going to pat start picking up condoms, which now I know why z that was so angry.

I never where that came from now though, So you know springs, beck A s bring in your bringing your object and smell it. God, whether rubber meets the road.

Literally, that is.

What I forgot about rebels. The amount of incredible buttons on scenes that were not used that weresed by Steve were incredible.

There were so so many.

If there was just a weird, any little silence at the end of the scene, Steve's gonna come in with something that is gold.

H actually noise, it might see some kind of.

That's what I usually did. So we're going to use that on this podcast too.

If you're like our commercial bumper, like when we have to do our ad reads, that's where we're going with your permission, of course, if you.

Can do whatever you want. I don't care. My life is.

Open, open book. Well not yet.

We just came back to that, Yeah, so I want to bring it out. We're gonna get towards the end of this hopefully you come back. We hope this is the first time many times to come back, because we're only eight episodes. Into the series so far, and there's such great arcs with zeb there's a great arc with Asian Kallis, of course voiced by the great David Oyel. You two had this great dynamic. Well, we're not there yet, so I don't want to jump into that prematurely, but you know you had alluded to sometimes you go into an anime JOBB and you're just seeing you based on the cold read when you're in the booth. That to me, what I got for them is, Oh, working on your craft outside the booth is so important. To make sure your knife stays sharp, so it becomes second nature once you get into the booth. That said, you do teach people to hone their craft. And I would love for you to talk about blum Box Studios and why you started it, why you keep it going, and where people can find you if they want to get a career in voice.

Act and well, first, I want to give a shout out to Vanessa because she was one of my early teachers, So thank you for doing that, Honey, God so great.

Glenn was so incredible. She in the middle of our class. Fox booked me on a promo and I didn't want to cancel the class, So I said, let's take the class in the booth with me so they can see just how stressful it is. Because you get you get three beeps and they send you the script. You totally read it cold and hope that you do to picture, and then they put it on the air. They don't have time to you know, you know correct, They like, you're I mean, you're just you're in, you're out. They don't have time for the pain. So I think it was good for them to see just how you have to be literally ready to rock and drop everything and uh and then but Gwen found the produced spot as well, which I think is still on bloombox. So it is, yeah, but it was, it was. It was really delightful. And so many of your students are just such good human beings. I've I've become friends with many of them, and they're they're delight They're delightful humans.

I'm really lucky. That's why I keep doing it.

I started it by accidents, sort of at conventions. You guys know this, You've done a bunch of conventions. Everybody that comes up to our table always says one of the first questions is how do I get into voiceover. Everybody tells me I have a good voice, and so you know, you've got twelve seconds to give them an answer, and it's like ah, And I would just go look at Dee Bradley Baker's site, I want to be a voice actor dot com. Yeah, for years, to the point where I actually printed up cards with D's website. I'd hand those out, have a big stack of my table, and the people around me just kept saying, you have to start teaching. Because you had every panel that we did at every convention, it would become a teaching moment. People would come up and you know, and it would be more than just voiceover. It would be like life lessons. And I did twenty years of of what do you call that? The where you're trying to improve your life. Basically I can't even think of like self help kind of thing. Yeah, but I did twenty years of that kind of work, and I went to therapy. I did a lot of stuff to try to fix my life and make it better and just get a better understanding of why I made the choices I made and how I can make better choices and just be more aware of my surroundings. So those kinds of conversations would come up at every convention over and over and over again, and you know, it's like three hundred times a day with people. So finally, my ex Trina just kept bugging me and buggy me and bugging me to start teaching.

I went, all right, fine, I'll just I'll do something.

But I had to deconstruct thirty years of voiceover and try to figure out a way to put it in you know, palatable chunks so that I could use this as a curriculum for students. And I thought, that's it. I'm just going to do, you know, a few classes. I'll record them by myself, and I'll just do a little thing where it's like a little subscription that they can get it, you know, monthly, and I'll go for maybe a year. And that was my goal, was to do like a year. And I was doing two classes a month at that time, and the students started really respect and I kept getting all these success stories from them, and not even necessarily in voiceover, but in their lives where they would like, our tagline is unleash your voice. And so a lot of these people who go to these conventions felt like that was the only place in their life they could actually speak their mind and be who they were, whether they were on the autistic spect somewhere on the spectrum, or if they were trans or you know, somewhere on the outskirts of what, especially the current society sees as acceptable. For that one moment or for a couple of days at a convention, they felt like a whole person, and they had people there who would support them in that. And I thought, Okay, I'm doing something that's much bigger than Voice over here. I'm doing something of value, and for the first time in my life, I felt like I was doing something of true value. And so I kept doing it, and then I it kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and then I after thirty classes, I went, oh my god, I'm out of information. I don't know what else to teach. So I just thought, well, I'm going to ask a couple of my friends and see if maybe they'll come in and they'll do a class with me. And like Fred Tatoshow was one of the early ones, and Andrea Romano and you know, people that I was just working with at the time, and they said, yeah, sure, I'll come over, and they just came over to my house and my studio and we sat in there and we just talked, and I would research them and ask them very pointed, non fan questions that what I thought might help my students about their struggles and their journey too, because it's all relatable. The struggle is the most relatable part. And here we are now. We just finished class ninety nine. We're about to do class one hundred.

Oh.

I've been going for years and it is not financially sustainable. I have we had two years where I could actually draw a little bit of an income, but.

It's costing me money.

I had to put one hundred thousand dollars into the school this year alone just to keep it.

Because I have staff, I have people that I pay.

I paid them.

I try to pay them better than I was ever paid my life in any job. I flew them out here for a retreat and rented a house for them.

I just wanted to as a boss.

I've never been a boss before, and I just wanted to treat them how I always would have loved to have been treated.

So I got to do that thing. That was awesome.

It is not sustainable now, so I'm actually considering selling it at some point if there's even market for this type of thing, as everything is archived. But these stories that they come back at me with and I see my students also at every single convention everywhere in the world. My students are everywhere, and whether they are past present students or people have just signed up, they will come up to my table and they will tell me their story and it's and I don't get to spend that kind of time with them in the context of the class, So I get to actually build these relationships with these people and learn from them too, and know that, you know, I can't really do a lot to make the world a better place, but I'm doing what I can, and this is my way of giving back at this point.

And it's super gratifying.

That's beautiful, state, that's incredible.

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You're a good Eggs, Steve.

I try.

I was rotten for the first half of my life, so I thought I'd boil it up and try to do something different.

Well, for what it's worth, I do the same thing with you. And when people come up to my table or come up to me and you know, out in the real world or at cons or whatever, not that cons aren't you know what I mean, at CON's and are outside in the real world. They asked me, you know, how do I become how how can I become a voice actor? And I basically just refer them to you.

And deep Brodnie Baker.

Not only are you guys two of the best to do it like, and I'm not saying that because you're my friend and you're on our show. I'm saying that because I genuinely mean, like, it doesn't get better than Steve Woman Steve Bradley Baker. But also, you guys are both you just both happen to be like genuinely wonderful human beings. So who better to learn from than people who know their craft so well and are also just really nice, nice people.

Well that was kind of my hook is, especially since I started bringing guests. I would announce somebody like Vanessa, and the students would just go out of their minds because they're massive fans of hers, and she comes with a completely different perspective than anybody I've ever brought in. And this wealth of knowledge and information and life experience, and her stories were incredible and it's so rich. It's such a rich way to learn. And I remember going to college and I was thinking, God, this is so boring. I hate this. I really didn't enjoy most of my school. So to be able to bring in my dear friends to tell their stories and impart information at the same time in a really fun, interesting way is I think the best way to learn, especially if people have been following her for her whole career. You know, that's a life moment that could be a benchmark moment for a person. And we collect those little bits. I don't know if we were doing it back then with you, Vanessa, but now we collect some stuff from the chat as it's going through the class and we will send it to our guest and we'll just say, this is the impact that you had on some of these people, and just see their heads exploding, you know, when she comes up with some gem that they never even considered that they can actually their lives can actually change in that moment, and that's a that's a big deal.

That's a really big deal.

It's a big burden to carry at this point, but it's also one of the most gratifying things I've ever had in my life.

Well, I have no doubt that a great karma you put out there is going to come back to you. And also just unleashing your voice. That's such a powerful statement. And you know, as somebody with AHD, I am also on the lower end of the auto spectrum, which a lot of people don't know.

Now you do if you didn't know, awesome.

You know, when it comes to academia, the confines of that is so restricting for somebody whose brain is neurodiverse like mine, but which you're providing is something that it is educational. Maybe it's not a four year university, but for them it's a million times better. Just like somebody who does fit well in like a four year academia, they probably won't be into bloombox studios And that's totally fine, and I think that's what people need to know. It's like, there's not just one unilateral school or place of education. There's it's whatever fits with you. And we just talked about an episode where you know, there's episodes where asrask to find as balance in the forest, You've got to do that with ourselves. What's the yin young, What's what's your lukewarm? Because that's always going to be different from everybody else, So you providing that. It's just a wonderful thing. I don't think a lot of people know about it, and hopefully people will catch you in a bit, you know, hopefully we can contribute to more people knowing about it, and whether it goes on or not, you know, your legacy with that is going to live on through your students, and I think that's amazing.

I think it will. Yeah.

And by the way, we do celebrate neurodivergence in our classes too. We just had Corey Burton in recently and I didn't know for years. He's one of the he's a genius, one of my favorite voice actors of all time, and I didn't know for years that he was on the spectrum. And he was diagnosed with Asperger's I think in his forties, and he just didn't know why he felt the way he felt, and suddenly something opened up to him that made him feel like he had a little bit more of a place in the world besides his craft. I mean, he's a genius and he's amazing, and he has had this incredible career. He's Captain Hook for God's Sake, among a million other things. But we had this really deep conversation about his struggles and how he sees the world differently from other people and sometimes it's hard for him to look people in the eye and sometimes things are overwhelming for him. And so many of my students could relate to that. I think everybody's on the spectrum somewhere m hm. And so to celebrate that and the superpowers that you have too, I've I've seen you in action.

John and my hyper focus. Yeah, dude, your genius.

You're amazing and and it's it's wonderful to celebrate that rather than make people feel like other because we don't understand it, So we try to cast a little light on that too.

Yeah.

Absolutely, And you know we are in the month of May. We're not just celebrating May. The fourth of May is also well one API Heritage month, so shout out to my fellow Asians. But also it's mental health Awareness month.

So I knew that.

You know, coming into this, you're you're such a positive and beautiful person. See that you were going to bring some and we've had such positive vibes on this podcast so far, but we knew you come. We were all so excited because we're like, Steve's going to bring some sort of energy today. And I think for anyone out there listening for Mental Health Awareness Month, we're talking about self care, We're talking about a lot of themes. You know, this is a place where we want people to feel seen and heard. You know, that's it's we're using rebels as really a jumpstart to the conversation, but what we really want to do is celebrate individuals, which is what's all about. We've talked about rebels on here, but really we just we're just friends hanging out having a conversation. And for anybody out there, look if if you get that late adulthood spectrum diagnosis like I did. To me, it was like when you learn the twist of like an m Night Shamalan movie and you're like, oh, okay, hold on, I need to rewatch this movie now. Holy crap, this all makes so much sense because it led to this whole thing. So to me, it's like for me, it felt like a piece of the puzzle I knew was there, but once you uncovered it, like an open world video game. I was like, oh, okay, well, now let me do a backlog. Oh that's why this relationship didn't last. That's why this friendship kind of went cuphoot. But it can be a scary thing, but it's also one of the most liberating feelings because now, to use like an anime term, like you're unlocking your final four absolutely anything, you know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't realize it was Health Awareness month. That's that's amazing. I just finished a two week cleanse. Oh god, yeah, I lost eighteen pounds. I did the Master Cleons and eighteen Yeah, and it's sixty three years old. It's really hard to do and work. I used to do it every year back in my twenties and thirties and I haven't done it in forever. So yeah, if I can do it, you guys can do it. And it's a it's like a full reset. So yeah, I mean, you don't have to do it as as harsh as I did it, but yeah, man, you.

Might have gotten us our first sponsor with that.

So this episode is now brought to you by Garden of Life Master Cleans.

The Master Cleans, the Lemon and.

The Lemon, and yeah, lemon, pure maple syrup and cayenne pepper and water for ten days.

But I did like a few days pre.

To that, and then coming off of it, you can't eat solid food for another few days. So it's today was my first actual meal in fourteen days.

Yeah.

When I first moved to LA for some reason, I decided I was going to try the Master Cleanse, and let me tell you, I lasted. I don't even think twenty four hours. Definitely not twenty four hours. I was like, nope, and that tells you a little something about my willpower.

I was like, yeah, it would strop for everybody. And the first three days are absolutely brutal.

They're terrible. You feel like you just want to die.

Yeah, but you're cleaning toxins out of your body, and some doctors say that it's not safe for you. So definitely, if you're going to do a check with your doctor, guys beforehand, make sure that you are healthy enough to withstand this, because your body's going to go through some literally, but.

You clear out.

It's They say that the body regenerates cells every seven years. All the cells in your body regenerate every seven years, and you're kind of doing a jump start for that process. So you're not regenerating everything, but a lot of me is regenerating right now and I can feel it.

So you are, is what we're saying.

Yeah, I survived this one. You haven't knocked me out yet.

Yeah.

In fact, I have a clause in here somewhere you're there.

Oh yeah, here they come.

They hurt every time they come out.

Yeah, yeah, Bob and gave me those.

That's awesome.

So stay, where can people find you on social media? Or do you want people to find you? I guess maybe I should have asked first to respect it and boundaries, but yeah, where can they find if you want them to find you?

I dove off most of social media these days, so I just got back onto Signal and currently on TikTok and blue Sky. So it's on blue Sky. I don't even know what my name is on there. I think it's just my name. Yeah, I got off, I got off all the other things, so I have to understandable. Yeah it is bloom spew b l u m s p e w dot blue sky dot. So yeah, bloomspuu was what I used for Insta and TikTok and Twitter and all those other things before. And I just I had to I had to leave for many, many reasons. But this guy, this guy is where I'm hanging out now. And it was weird because I went from like close to two hundred thousand followers to six thousand followers and I don't care anymore.

I really don't care.

Yeah it's liberating, right, Yeah it is. And it's just a nice, friendly environment. And I shared dog pictures and talk about life and it's it's so good.

It's so good.

I spent way too much time on socials before. But you can also find us at bloombox Studios dot com and uh or Steve bloom Voices dot com for fans stuff. And I announced all of my upcoming appearances and things there or actually my son Brandon does, he does that for me, So got to go.

Well, Steve, one of our goals is we want to do live shows with this podcast, so maybe you'll have maybe we'll come out to Hawaiian and do a live show with you, or get some sort of a I remember when we did the role playing game thing where Freddy We're talked about doing like a convention tour, but maybe this is like a belated version of that. Because our goal is to do live shows because you want to connect with the really amazing Star Wars Rebels fans that I've been able to see here and there. So I think maybe that could be something to come. But if anything, we would love to just have you back anytime. This was so much fun. We could probably talk to you for days, but we all have stuff to do, unfortunately. I mean I don't, but I think everybody else does.

But I love you guys, and what a joy to be able to join you on this. Thank you for inviting me.

This is amazing, huge.

Virtual hugs to all of you.

Wieve, do we have fact checks? Do you have a fact check for us?

Jac I have a couple of things.

Oh my, okay, you.

Light about everything. Those were condoms, them all.

He didn't throw them away, the collection of them in my bathroom.

It's really awkward, unfortunately, loving that Juicy, you.

Have no idea.

You guys are all talking about hanging out on Sunset Strip. I love hanging out on Sunset Strip in my younger days, so I just thought i'd fill people not in the know in a little bit about that. I believe what you guys were talking about is the upstairs of the Rainbow, there is a loft and it's called the Layer of the Hollywood Vampires, a drinking club started in the seventies by Alice Cooper that had members like Keith Moon from The Who, Ringo Star from the Beatles, Mickey Dolan's from The Monkeys, and Harry Nilsson and then Steve. You also mentioned Gazaries a little bit of history on Ghazari's. They were world famous for their dance contest, which is as much as I will say about that, which then turned into the Key Club in the mid nineties, and.

Then oh yeah, High Stage, Yeah yeah.

And then One Oak, which was like part of a New York club and now I think it's empty. I think it's empty. Area code for Toronto, one of the first area codes established in nineteen forty seven is four one.

Six four one six. That's it, four one.

Six, and then there's six four seven, which is a newer area code from two thousand and one. And then you mentioned Corey Burton just in case somebody doesn't know listening to this. Corey Burton cad Baine, count Dooku and also got his start in Star Wars, providing the voice of Luke Skywalker in the Disney read a long book for Star Wars a New Hope in nineteen seventy nine.

Oh wow, he's nice, JC, Thanks, this will be good.

This is our treat at the end of every episode every week as we get these fact checks.

Yeah, thanks for keeping me honest.

Wow, Jesse, is that private drinking club still open?

Assumption he's gone tonight?

What was the address again? Well, that's our after dark live show. Meet us all there tonight.

You do have to have prehensile feet and the tail to go.

No pun By the way, I did a seven day cleanse that was like a billion dollars and I gained seven pounds, So what Yeah, dude, I don't know my body. If I starve it, it eats itself and gains weight.

I can't.

I don't know. Everybody's different. I wish that worked for me. But anyway, whatever you're doing, right, Yeah, well that's nice. Yeah, It's not my path, y'all. Mine is one of moderation. I'm maintaining a sixty pound weight loss at this point for twenty years through moderation. But it might be an Italian thing. My people need eed a little of this a little then, just balance, balance, that's my gin young, that's.

The safe cleanses ben if for Vanessa Marshall, is what we're getting from that.

Either that or have a gratitude who facilitated whatever they were doing was not kosher who knows well.

Shout out to Kafy gratitude.

Yeah, thank you Jace once again for the awesome fact check. I wasn't sure where what you're going to have for us today, but as always you always deliver.

Steve.

Thank you so much. We can't We loved having you here. Hopefully hope to have you as like a recurring guest. Remember everybody rate, subscribe, tell all your friends about this podcast. Happy May the fourth, Happy API Heritage Month, Happy Mental Health Awareness Month, Be kind to each other, be nice to each other, take care of yourselves. And without further ado, Steve our our outro. We say, cue the music, So do you? Will you do the honors and tell JC to cue the music.

Yes, May the Force and the Ashla be with you, JC, cue the music.

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