From the intense search for Kanan to Hera's impossible decision to making a deal with Vizago (that includes a curtsy from Ezra) to Chopper's Mission Impossible/Point Break moment, the recap of this episode was jam packed! The group unwraps it all and also talk about the idea of chosen families and the complexity & mystery of Fulcrum. And does the book '48 Laws of Power' apply to Star Wars Rebels?
I think her father thought about rebellion very differently than she did, and she pledged allegiance to Folkrum's version of rebellion. There was something about having a chosen family that may not be perfect but still accomplishes great things, one small step at a time.
Hi, everyone, Welcome to Pot of Rebellion. This is ts R. Car aka Sabine Ren Specter five, and with me we have Hey.
What's up everybody? It's Vanessa Marshall, the voice of Harrison Doula, Specter two. And guess what. I also have what's up?
Taylor Gray as Bridger, Specter six, and with us is nailed.
Hello everybody, I'm Johnley Brody, your non specter, full on moderator, and today we're going over season one, episode fourteen, Rebel Resolve. Now ice everybody. We love to do our check in at the top before we really dive in. And for everybody listening, look, I've mentioned this before. We our schedule, recording schedule can be scattered. There can be times where we don't see each other for like a couple of weeks, even though to the rest of the world it seems like we've only been away from each other for a week. Because we release these episodes weekly, we're in a very interstellar sort of time space continuum. So that's that's the other reason why I like to do check ins, because it's like I missed these awesome people, and it.
Helps level out the plane.
It sometimes feels like we're we're taking off in bumpy weather. I will take a blame that I am the bumpy weather.
Well, all the problems. We're all swift here, all the problems. Nice.
Yeah, it feels very nice to see you guys. It's been like a few weeks I've been gone, so I'm thrilled to be back and to be hanging with you guys.
But nice, you're good.
Yeah, I'm great. I'm back from Japan. I did get a notification at like three in the morning that there was an earthquake in the Philippines, and I almost called you to be like, oh my gosh, I could imagine you buy a pool going bulah or like you know, I don't know. But then I saw it was in the middle of the ocean and it wasn't reported in were you Okay, Wait, that's crazy because in the middle of the night my phone, I was in.
The Philippines for anyone who's listening and wondering what the heck we're talking about. I was in the Philippines for an amazing trip. It was gone for like seventeen days, so I'm just now getting back to like being in this time zone. But early on in the trip, I was dead asleep. It was like, I don't know, three or four o'clock in the morning, and my phone, my phone was like at the highest decibel level. It was like earthquake, earthquake, and I like shot up in bed in this hotel room in the Philippines and I was like, oh God. And it was in Manila, so we were like I was on a very high floor and it was like floor to ceiling windows in the entire like hotel suite. And I was like, well, this is it. And all I was there with a bunch of friends and so all of us were on different floors and it was in the middle of the night, and I was like, there's an earthquake, and this is how this is my I'm this is how it goes for me. This is the end. All of my friends are in different parts of this hotel and we're just gonna, you know. And then I realized in my like groggy haze that it was an earthquake in LA and my phone was letting me know because I am an LA resident, that there was so y'all had an earthquake here.
That was the San Diego on There was one time ago that said drop and duck, you're about to us.
And I didn't know that it wouldn't sense that I am not in this zip code and I'm on the other side of the planet, and so I thought there was an earthquake in the Philippines and we were all going to die. But thankfully it sounds like everyone here was okay, and everyone there was okay. But I did almost have a small heart attack.
It was really weird this this has been and this is a total sidebar. And Taylor, we care about how you're doing.
Give us all.
I don't mind. I was through the earth quake. Was the earthquake.
I've seen many earth questions.
I don't know what's up.
With my algorithm, but my algorithm lately has been saying like these predictions, like people with predictions, and maybe they're just trying to scare us. And they were like someone a year ago said that on that date, whatever it was, May sixteen or no April sixteen, seventeen, I don't know. Somewhere in there, twenty twenty five, there will be a massive earthquake in the philip And I remember I saw them my phone. I was like that better not be true. Yuck, I mean, and I was like, oh, these things are not true. People are just saying something that.
They're not that. I have a buddy who sends every day.
You can look up every day that those that are saying I threatened to take them out of our group chat. If you say another one, you can find one for every day, like you can find one that says that someone said there's one to morrow.
I'm happy to hear that.
However, when I rolled over in Japan trying to get on their timeframe or whatever, I rolled over and I saw like earthquake in the Philippines and no, no, no, and I was like no, no, no, no, no, no.
No no, And I was freaking out.
And I get on my phone and I'm looking on the thing that it's not on the news anywhere, and then I look at where it was. It was in the middle of the ocean. I was like not me, or like what why you're reported? And I was like, this seems like one of those sort of benign oceanic things that my phone freaked me out with it, but it's actually nothing. I was like, I'm sure she's fine, and then you know, I did more research the next day to double check and it was nothing.
Well, thank you, I appreciate your concern. I was blissfully unaware of that earthquake, thank god. I also, I was kind of the chief planner of this trip, and I dragged my friends on a bunch of like things that I think they would have rather just been like laying on a beach somewhere, and I was like, no, but we're going to go to this island. We're going to go to do this like walking tour and blah blah blah. And so I was trying to coordinate a day trip from Manila North to a volcano which is very beautiful and there's a lake and you go do this tour and they take you on a boat on the lake and you admire this beautiful volcano. And like three days before we left for the trip, there was a volcanic eruption on one of the islands in the Philippines, and everybody was like absolutely not We're not doing that, so no trip to visit the volcano. I was like, guys, there's only one volcano. It's not even that volcano. There's lots of volcanoes that does you know. But anyway, we did a lot of other cool stuff, so it was all good.
Now I want to see a remake of that. Remember the Tom Hanks movie Joe Versus the Volcano. I want to s Versus the Volcano.
I'm in and Taylor and how are you doing, my friend?
I am doing very well. It's nice and sunny.
Finally, and I'm happy because, yeah, I get depressed, but it's not sunny and lately it hasn't been here in la.
I feel you on that.
I get that usually towards the end of the year, the season, I get a little seasonal depression kick in when oh it's so real.
Yeah, guys, I feel like people in other parts of the country are going to be like, what are these wahoos complaining about they live in southern California. Oh, you get seeds and old depression. But it has Actually when.
I lived in London, I genuinely that was the first time I was like, Okay, why am I feeling so low and it doesn't make any sense. And I realized, oh, well, because it's been gray for twenty five days.
Street, because you haven't seen this done, there's this.
Like light and miss every time I go outside.
Yeah, it's not the London Bridge that's falling down, it's just your mood. Yes, that all right, So I guess we should go over this episode once again. Season one, episode fourteen, Rebel Resolve, which is, when you think about it, a bit of a The title is a bit of a double entendre, if you will, because you know, it's a kind of a clever play on words. Whether this was planned or not, this is just something I noticed last night whenever you watched it again, where it's like it's like this rebels determination to rescue Cane in this episode, but also the Empire's efforts to like break that resolve. So it's like it's like this these two things kind of playing themselves against each other with these two simple words.
I find that be very clever. Whether that was by.
Happenstance or planned, it's something I very much appreciated and want to bring to light here before I do the recap.
If you're ready for the recap.
Very ready for the recap. It's been a minute.
It has been a minute, so let's see. I see if I still got This might be the last one. If it doesn't go well, Harry comes the breakcap for Season one, episode fourteen, Rebel Resolved. Original air date February sixteenth, twenty fifteen. The Ghost Crew is in the midst of a most dangerous game. They are in pursuit of finding intel on where Canaan is, while the Empires in pursuit of them, and though they seem to have reached the dead end, Ezra knows that Canaan is alive, and neither Keen nor anyone in the Ghost Crew, even Chopper, will rest until he's brought home. The Hera is informed by Fulcrum that, due to added scrutiny around them, their rescue attentive Canan poses a great risk. If they are caught, then the message of hope they just instilled into citizens would fade away. This leads to Hara to have to make an impossible decision to go into hiding to protect the bigger mission and the objective for the Rebels instead of going after Canaan. We do see that Ezra's force intuitions were correct, and Canaan is in fact alive like Johnny five and being held prisoner. Despite numerous attempts by Tarkan and the Inquisitor to break him via the mind probe and electro shock, it's of no use and Canaan remains as solid as the.
Eighty five Bears defense.
Meanwhile, even though Harah gave direct orders, Ezra, Sabine, and zeb go rogue and make a deal with Vizago for a possible lead on Kane's location. And just when it looked like they were able to do this discreetly without Hara noticing, they see that, like Bo Jackson in the nineties, Hara knows. Despite being furious that Ezra's symbol like deliberate disobedience, She's willing to hear out his plan in order to get the info they need. Chopper needs to get his mission impossible and disguise himself as an Imperial courier droid. That plan is far from smooth sailing, but then again, that's on brand for this crew. But like life in Jurassic Park, the Ghost Crew always finds a way, and after yet another narrow escape, Sabine is able to find out that Canaon has been transferred to a place known as the Mustafar system. After getting the simple we are all done left hanging like Nick Cannon's character and drumline because the episode leaves is all hanging with a two B continued title card. And that is our recap of season one, episode fourteen from all that is the dream line was for you, Taylor, because I know we've brought up drum I.
Appreciate that, and it's a segue right into this thought. Shouldn't it?
I mean, I know the natural argument for this, but shouldn't I always say to be continued? It's always to be continued, Like I love when it says to be continued, But it's like a show is always to be continued until it's not somebody.
Like we we wrap up, there's a problem and we fix it in twenty two minutes. But to be continued, sure, but this is like actually actually to be continued.
We have actual problem right on the Yeah.
It's not a standalone episode.
Yeah, but it does always excite me, like as a as a child and like ooh exciting to be continued.
Well, well, well yeah, exactly, I agree.
I agree, that is a good question.
Though, because I don't think that's one that's brought up off and when it comes to like serialized television, So because you think about it, and you know, life as it is is always to be continued hopefully, you know. So yeah, I never thought about that. Let's leave it to the audience to let us know what they think too.
Trust Taylor to come up, come up with the you know, the really existential questions.
I got another one later.
Now this is going to bring Jase into it because I don't have the widest knowledge of all of the galaxy, but are almost all of the bad guys in Star Wars English outside of James Earl Jones pretty much like wh why is it always James Earl Jones? Obviously like the King? But then outside of that, I was talking with the friend we're watching it, like, oh, that's funny. Every time there's a bad person in Rebels, they're always English. And then I was thinking of other parts of Star Wars. It's right, did you.
Have the commentary on like the Revolutionary War? Putting it out there?
Just putting it out there, and then we're to do what you will. Because I don't even know enough of the bad guys but.
We're digging deep into like the Mayflower and like the Pilgrims or something there with what you word, we need Malcolm Gladwell. Malcolm Gladwell could probably tied it together as far as why they would be British and like why they're the villains and tie it into like Plymouth Rock or something.
I feel like he could do something with.
That for us, You know what I mean?
Yeah, JC, have an answer for us.
We need you already. I also I wrote myself a note which is I'll read it to you verbatim. I feel like JC is about to drop some mad facts about the Movesta far systems.
I think of Lion King when I hear that.
Yes, So I want to talk about this beginning scene with I need to correct myself too, because in a previous episode I believe it was breaking ranks when we had Dante on.
I refer to the at DP as an ATSD.
So anyone who maybe didn't catch that, I apologize for getting that wrong because I confused that for the ATSD, which actually came in later around Return of the Jedi.
This is an earlier model called the at DP, and JC didn't catch.
You, apparently not but he's all will be resolved, just like the rebels in this episode by the end of this episode, but continue. I believe JC will give us a lot of deep cuts in terms of all the models of the Imperial Walkers, which I really looked forward to once we get to that part of the show. But I know that, like there's a line that Sabine says, because they're they're trying to escape, you know everything in Sabine says there's no rear gun, and I'm like, oh, interesting, I don't know if the I don't think there was rear guns that were implemented on the ATSDS later on. I do know that it goes from ATDP, then there was an at act on Rogue one, and then the ATSD and Return the Jedi. And what I find funny about this advanced tech is that even though like they have this intimidation factor, the practicality is not really there because it's always brought down by very primitive tech. It's like Rocky four where Ivan Drago had the fancy equipment, but then you know, Rocky's just chopping wood in the in the in the snow, and he still knocks out steroid written Russian so that's kind of what I thought of when I saw it.
Also, I thought that when I am trying to remember the exact line, but there she's like used to beIN says uh, there is no rear gun, and then it cuts to Zeb and like Zeb is the basically the rear gun, right like he's like I'm trying or whatever he says.
Yeah.
I feel like right from the jump this episode is right into that like high stakes, high drama, high action, but lots of like you know, uh, Ezra's like, how you doing, and then like it's it's it's it's it's so good. It's like gets you right right into that feel good Star Wars like action, but also like full of funny quips in banter.
About the music too, because it and they're reminded me and we've sung the praises of Kevin Kiner many times on this podcast, but.
And will continue to continue.
And always continue to do.
So absolutely it felt like Jaws almost because yeah, this ominous and even though it sounded a little bit like Jaws, like the really low piano keys playing very ominous tone, and then you have these really imposing Imperial Walkers, it's just because the last episode ended the way it did, and now this whole pursuit of Cana and it's like you feel this whole threat of the Empire looming over everybody.
And then, if I may, like when Harah swoops in and you hear that that like refrain, I'm like, I don't want to be a dork, but it gives me actual goosebumps every time. It never failed.
Yeah, I sort of geek on the The Walkers are just cool. I think that those things, like I remember even as a kid thinking that, like when they're in the snow Hof. Yeah, yeah, I always thought those things were pretty cool. So the fact that they brought it into Rebels is fun.
Vanessa, I want to highlight you, and this is a big Hara episode and there's a lot of really great acting from everybody, but your character has a lot to do in this one because you have Harah has all these layered emotions that are coming to the forefront of this episode, where worried about canaan frustration at the team, and this reluctance obit reluctantly following Folkrum's advice of not going after Cana for the greater good, and then the scene with like Ezra that you have. It's like there's just a lot of dramatic weight that you had to carry in this episode, and without that, I think the episode falls apart. So I wonder, like, how much do you remember recording that? How much do you remember in terms of the preparation and what came back to the forefront for you of rewatching it.
Well, I felt her struggle. I didn't happen to think that it was, you know, particularly traumatic, or I mean I don't. I don't recall any sort of struggle preparing for it or anything like that. I think this is just one of those many times when Hara had to tuck under her affection for Canaan for the greater cause. It's one of many things that she later regrets, and I think she would love to do what Ezra's doing, but when Fulcrumb says no, the right thing to do is to follow orders, and that's just the way it is, no matter what the upset is. As a result, I was actually in the rewatch for some reason, and it didn't occur to me in the recording, but I was kind of like, wait a minute, you chewed him out, and you were like, how dare you because really it's it's her neck on the line where fulm If fulcrim finds out this is she can't control her crew. She's in deep trouble with Fulcrum, it's right for her to yell. But also when she finds out what he's done, she's like, you took the lead and you got it done, and you know, she's like really proud of him, which I somehow was like, wait, how did did I miss it? Be here? Because as much as you love Canaan, he totally disobeyed orders and that can get people killed in the future, and you're so quick to be like, thanks buddy. You know, I would have thought Hara would have still, like, not so quickly thanked him for what he did, and still continued to make him understand that you really shouldn't do that. So I was more confused in the rewatch, but I felt her struggle that I think we see echo in season four in terms of her regret where Canaan is concerned, because I think Ezra's right sometimes you don't follow orders because it is the right thing to rescue your friend. So in a way, I feel like Harah benefited from Tailor, not Taylor Ezra's discobedience. I was just looking at your name on the that guy, you know, let's change it. Yeah, but no, it happens sometimes where I'm like in Taylor, I mean Ezra one and the same. But yeah, for some reason in the rewatch last night, I was like, wait a minute, how is she so easily like okay with this? That's kind of weird to me. Did you guys feel that at all?
Or no?
It didn't occur to me until you started saying it, and I'm like, wait, yeah, you just like turned on a dime.
Yeah, a little bit. It didn't occur to me back then. And maybe I'm maybe I'm just because that's dangerous behavior. She's personally benefiting from it. Obviously, she cares about Canaan and doesn't want to lose him, so she's happy he didn't do the right thing. But that's kind of weird.
But that's besides the point, right, Like, that's that's it's the principle of the matter.
Yeah, you still need to let this kid know never to do that again, right, Yeah, but it is so.
Maybe the thing I set out to one of your lines when you talk about you, you're telling Ezra that he's already made the sacrifice sort of thing.
It was like this foreshadowing of yeah.
But it really stood out to me when you had said it, and I was like, oh, wow, yeah, that is a thing that they're very aware of. But then that would be a big the stakes of that or so, because that's like a bit of an acceptance of like he's gone yeah. But yeah, it's a heavy, heavy episode. The one thing I'll say about the a little later in that episode, the whole thing with the animation has been great and it's been fine. Watching this is the first time it made me feel I was like, laughing. Torturing of an animated character.
Is odd to me. It reminds me of like walking by.
My little sister's room growing up and like her playing with her dolls and being like and like torturing. Never like it's the one thing that is like I couldn't. It wasn't clicking for me.
It didn't. It didn't really compute.
I'm like, well, you know what I mean, Yeah, for sure. I feel like there's probably an element of like the Disney plus of it all, the Disney of it all, versus like some of those scenes in Clone Wars, which are far more explicit, and uh, I don't know, you know, like they you see stuff in Clone War, they're they're willing to go places in Clone Wars that like we weren't able or willing to go, probably because we were on you know, we were a Disney property by then, don't you think? I don't know, can I say that?
I think one of my favorite moments was when they're like, oh, this little buddy, look, this little mech did such a good job. We can keep them right, yeah, and then Chopper shoves him out of the plane to his demise with lothcats below, and and the look on our face is like, oh, you know that he just kicked this into the like what a cold blooded killer Chopper is? Like that was pretty ruthless.
I mean, I'm so glad you brought that up. I put that in my notes because I found that very interesting for a couple of reasons. One, there's a whole bit of like droid hierarchy for lack of a better word, and Star Wars where there's always somebody that's the number one, there's always somebody that's the number two, and I want to bring some I put this in my notes because I know, we're all very much like a curious, like curious minded group. And I love talking to you because you're all very intellectual, and you know, we all bring different things to the table. Do you know the book forty eight Loss of Power by I think Robert Green is the author.
Dude.
I think I have it on this desk, I have it upstairs.
Yeah.
So this is what I think about when I see Chopper versus and with this imperior Caurier Doid Imperial career joid, because he sees that Zeb's taking the lik and do him and the Caurier Droid is a lot more amicable and like doing the thing, can do the job just as well, maybe even better, and it has like the other team's playbook. Number one rule of the forty Loss of Power is like never outshine the master. I feel like if this Courier Droid had read known this book, probably wouldn't know Like, hey, maybe I just can't get on the wraps and not let Chopper know I'm a threat to his hierarchy on this ship, because I think Chopper's like, no, f this dude, Like you're not going to steal my thunder Because the counter arguments of that people listen to this. He goes, well, what about EP five who comes in later? Like those two are completely different categories where they're not a threat to each other's like power dynamic. But I thought of forty allows of power with this, and I want to plant that seat here to see, Like, what do you think with me planting that seat with you?
One hundred percent? I one hundred percent agree.
Yeah, it is curious to me. I'm in this.
I the hierarchy of the droids is always sort of confound. I'm trying to figure it out what the rules are.
I think you're right in that, Like if there's no competition, it's fine, you know, Chopper lets it go. But man, he's so petty. That guy was just trying to help. He was like a sweet little droid and got the boot because Chopper can't can't handle, you know, feeling threatened.
I'm just going to say to your point that it's not quite as dark in our cartoon. Kicking him out is dark, but when he lands in loth Catskill, yeah yeah, yeah, it's not like we saw him in a thousand pieces on the ground.
Yeah.
It brought levity to that for sure.
But I thought that like this, someone should have fed this droid forty eight laws of power and like the Prince mind Machiavelli, and then maybe he slowly could have infiltrated the Ghost crew just by me a little more like tactical with it. But he was so upfront with that, which is like, that's the charm of droids and robots and TV and movies. It's like they're really just doing what they're programm to do. And that's why we always like had this sort of affection towards them, because they're really just following their programming. But I just thought of that power dynamic boosting the two because you think, like, oh, two's better than one. But I was like, uh no, no, no, I'm I'm this kind of I'm the astro mech on the ship. I'm not going to have any of this if you're going to try to outshine me, and I just that just made me laugh.
Yeah, it's like dogs with their at their house when you bring over another dog, they have to hold their territory for a little bit.
Yeah, and then physically boom them out.
But I do, I do like when they fall what Vanessa saying, like he's droids are okay to fall from however far out of the sky because they're Troy, right. But I also find it funny that there's a sort of like shake Shakespearean element to Star Wars, of like disguise. You know how in different shakespeare place they'll put a hat on and now suddenly no one can recognize them and with like they just do a little coat of paint and this is like, no one has any idea or I get it when they when they put on a full trooper helmet, like they look like a trooper, but just the paint jobs. I love how that confuses everyone. Yeah, I think it's very, very funny. But also I loved how there was a lot of Steve talking to Steve yes like their house, Like hang on a second, that's Steve saying something to himself as another trooper.
I've started saying it out loud as I'm watching. I'm like, Steve, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Steve, Steve. It's like a fun game to play because I just am delighted every time because Steve can do everything, anything and everything, so yeah he can fully It's like d right playing all the clones and doing all the voices and dialects and accents and whatever. It's like, put the two of those guys in a room together and like you don't need any more actors because they can just do it all. I was going to say that I really loved that scene where Chopper escapes and the Stormtroopers sort of flowed out into space. I thought that was rad.
His point break moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Really enjoyed this episode watching it again.
It's fun and it's also and then I was talking about this with jac before we all everybody jumped onto the to the video chat to do this and conventional quote unquote like TV storytelling. Yeah, the last episode was somebody's captured, and then by this episode they probably would have gotten him and it's all result and maybe that's the season finale. From a storytelling perspective, I so appreciate that an entire episode was devoted to just trying to get this piece of information, and even when they get it, it's like there's still not a solution yet, and I know we get a two be continued, but it's because like for me, it's like I grew up with the original trilogy just like everybody here. The last episode felt like Empire strikes back and you're thinking, oh, well, this would be like Return of the Jedi where the plan comes into action, they get Canaan and then we go back onto the main rebel mission. But I love that they took the time to really invest in what's the struggle going to be like to try to function without a key member of the team. How do we figure it out and find where he is? And then let me figure out where he is? Like, oh, I'm trying to keep most of our system we know is trouble. So what a great like bookend to that to lead into what the season finale is.
Going to be?
Indeed, wait is the next episod of the season finale?
Yeah? Can you believe it?
Oh?
Dang, I feel like we probably it's probably one of the episodes you have seen.
Yeah, because we saw finales and from Yeah, they.
Would screen them for it. I feel like they screened it for us at Disney. Think, yeah, so it'll be a rewatch for you this time.
Uh.
And back to like Stephen d doing like every single voice ever has anybody made that Spider Man meme? We know when the plenty and they like like Steve Bloom or Dee Bradley Baker like with all their characters. It would take up the entire like screen, like an Imax screen to do it. But somebody should do it, somebody out there listening.
Yeah, it would take too much time. There's too many characters between the two of them, between the two of them, and Vanessa forgets.
It's true, Like Vanessa, you too, Like if you had one of the Spider Man memes, of all your characters, you're also.
Going to be Friday.
Someone gonna make that somebody.
That's the orca is a long Steve's will be massive. Yeah, well, I definitely. I keep thinking about the Hara emotional load. I don't think I think it's easier to feel what you felt John observing the whole thing. I think in the recording of it, I didn't understand all that she was struggling with, to be honest, because it seems pretty clear to me, if you get in order, that's just the end of it. I get that she was pained about it and bombed out and had to administer bad news to these guys to say no, you can't do it. But it's only in the rewatching that I feel things so much more deeply.
In a way. I mean, maybe other than Canaan's sacrifice. Ultimately that was pretty hard to do. But anyway, it's just interesting I.
Want to go even maybe even because you talking about that and I think I know the answer, but you can confirm now, did you know anything about Harri's family dynamic and like her relationship with her father at this point, because when I think about when we see later that dynamic, that scene also hits differently because it's like, you know, the whole intergenerational trauma, like maybe as a coping mechanism or defense mechanism, that's how you became to be or you were raised to take orders and not question things, like almost a blind faith thing.
But again you didn't know that at the time.
But it's just that's what I thought of as well on the rewatch and probably why I had such a reaction to it.
Well, I think her father thought about rebellion very differently than she did, and she pledged allegiance to Folcrum's version of rebellion. So her difference of opinion with her father, Uh, you know, I mean I think it could be said, you know, don't let perfect be the enemy of the good. I feel like her father was a perfectionist and she was more of a ragtag, you know, not that she sought mediocrity or anything like that, but that there was something about having a chosen Fai family that may not be perfect but still accomplishes great things one small step at a time. That that's something. She'll follow those orders, no problem, but she was happy to disobey her dad and leave. But still I think that that dynamic probably is a lot for her and for all of them. When you do find your chosen family and you're told you can't rescue the quote unquote father figure, that's not cool.
No, absolutely, And I'm so glad you brought that. That that raises another I think it could be a thought provoking question for the three of you as well.
Let's go back to Folkan really quick.
Yeah, that's what I was going to ask about.
Because I look at this two ways.
One, if you don't know who Focrium is at this point, you're just like, Okay, this maybe is just severally pragmatic thinking leader who's like, follow this is the plan needs like very mister Spock, needs of many, ouweigh the needs of the few. Sort of thing hits differently now because we know who Fokrim is and we've talked about it here. We know it's Ahsoka, so now this is my whole thing is like it makes me think of, Okay, what's going through Ahsoka's mind because at this point she's already walked away from the Jedi Order, and what she says really goes against the Jedi ethos like you don't leave people behind, or or even like it goes against the whole thing. Was like, at you're showing that ultimately throughout the course of this episode and the next one, that attachment's not weakness where that's kind of how it's been viewed in like the Jedi Order.
But it just it's a.
Think something to think about of how far she's diverged from like the Jedi path. If she's given that order to you to not even think about going after Canaan and I just wanted to plant that seat.
Is everybody here?
Well, she does say Ezra could die and with him dies hope, so I feel like she's doing it to protect Ezra, which is greater than forget Canaan in a way. I don't know.
I don't know.
It's an interesting thought though, you know, when you when you when you break down the layers of the fact that because when you first watch like, okay, this is a look I said, a practical thinking leader. But then when you know it's Ahsoka, what she's been through and where she is now, it's just again like we may not have the answer today, but it's just something like oh wow, Like once you kind of see it, you can't unsee it. And that's kind of how I felt when I rewatched it.
It feels like like the laws of war, like everything is thrown out the window and you don't get to be the person you are outside of war. You can't take all of those values and you know, your belief system it must change, right because of the stakes and lives are literally at risk, and you know, the the greater like the greater sort of good that you're fighting for. I feel like, you know, her hands are tied. I mean, that's kind of what happens in battle and war, Like you can't make the decisions that you would ordinarily because there is there are so many more lives at stake, And like she said, doesn't she say, Like he's made his choice, He's made his sacrifice, which, by the way, hits so much differently having now watched it for the first time since watching How Our Show Ends, I've never seen it.
You know.
When I watched it the first time, I didn't know what was going to happen. So, yeah, that felt heavy on my heart when I watched that.
Yeah, it's a very utilitarian idea of like this or that the train tracks and it's funny though too now thinking about all of it. The show is called rebels, like they are going to rebel against what they're told. That's that was another thing that just kind of clicked.
Like Ezra I think is always sort of rebelling, like his spirit is just that. The thing that I was trying to figure out with Fulcrum is in this again might be to JC, where does is fulkroom a position? And then someone holds it and you know what I mean, like as the sort of air traffic controller if you will, and like, because we're not the only rebel outlet, right, like there are other small uh factions, yeah, factions of the rebel alliance. And then does ful Crumb give the sort of orders and oversee it in a way and then people can like step into that position, you.
Know, but just her code name, right, like it's not a position so much as like that's her code name that she uses, but.
Then someone else ends up taking on the name Fulcrum. But that's not to spoil.
Well we talked about this already.
Past the point, but you know what I mean, is it a I just wonder like, is it a position that she's sort of calling out shots to other uh parts of the rebellion?
That's an interesting question. I mean I never thought about it like that.
I mean I almost felt like when you've worded like that, it's almost like, you know, like Batman a symbol, like anybody could technically be Batman, and like that is that's a symbol for this for justice? Is like maybe that's what the name Folkrim means. And then it passes on to the next person who's going to be full within the rebel alliance. I don't know, but you know who well knows JC when we get the other, which is always a great insurance policy. But that's I never thought about that. I was just like, was like, oh, that's that's just the code name that she uses.
If you look up folk Like, we know what a fulk means, but it's like a thing that plays the central is a central or central role in an activity, event, or situation. Yeah, like it feels too on the nose the point on which they'll lever rests are supporting, which it pivots, Like that's the thing that you know.
What I mean, Yeah, on the seesaw, like controls the seesaw going back.
Yeah, that everything rests on this. And like you know what I mean, something that you said just made me, I don't know, just wonder absolutely. I was just thinking, like and I could I could be wrong about this, but up until this Folkrum storyline, and once you know, sorry, let me what am I trying to say? Basically, I almost think that like these rebels, the Ghost Crew have been rebelling, happily rebelling against the Empire on their own and not really like necessarily aware of all the other factions in all the other on all the other worlds. And do you know what I mean? Like you were saying, like, well, surely you know they're part of the rebel alliance and there's other factions, and I'm like, but have they even been sort of they probably of course would be aware of that, but like it's not operating as part of the larger rebellion right, They're they're like doing what they can where they can. Am I wrong?
Is it?
Are they part of I mean, are they actively part of the larger rebellion? Or is this folkrum business the first time that they're actually kind of getting connected with the larger rebellion? Am I'm making any sense at all? All of your faces look extremely.
Cool just just listening because I'm I think some of us are wondering the same thing. And I think Vanessa, you probably would know. You have a lot of insight into this, But to me, it just seems like they're almost on their own, like they're they're the independent film. They're not working with the making.
Yeah, that's what I think. Like they're just like merely going and doing what they can and causing as much destruction to the Empire as they possibly can. But it's not in conjunction or in cahoots with like these guys over here that are doing this, and it's kind of like we're on our own until we're not.
Yeah, I think I think it's almost like is like the friend of Hara, Like Fulcrum's maybe like one of the executives at the studio that's going to get you in there. Or like just kind of be new ways, like the bridge of that gap. But to me, it's like it comes out that the first season really is them thing that maybe they think they're the only ones, they know that there's others, but they're also just on their own. But I don't think they understand how big this collective really is because they hint at it in episode three with droids and distress, when we actually meet Senator Arghana and you know, we meet three PO and r tw D two we know because we know Star Wars, but the Ghost Career has no idea. But Vanessa, it seems like you have a lot of knowledge you're sitting on. I'd love to hear what in your brain right now.
JC probably has a better answer. But from what I understand, we are only responsible for our group, and we're doing our part within the context of something larger that we don't even understand, and the less we know, the more likely we are to stay alive. So I think Fulkrim knows everything and is moving all the chess pieces, and that's why from it is forced to say we can't risk losing Ezra. You cannot go get Canaan because they have a better sense of what's at stake sort of globally if you will, and or galactically, and so we are blissfully unaware of those things. And I think it's much like I'm Specter two and Specter one knows nothing. It's for a reason to keep him safe and a lot. Yeah, but if we just focus on the mission and getting our part done it, it will help the overall. But I don't I don't know that we had a sense of and didn't need to and probably we're better off for not knowing all of it. If we're caught and tortured to reveal that information, it would not be great.
That makes sense, That's my thought.
But I'm JCO probably no.
Or jc's like James Carvill and old school. He's like, I have no response. That was perfect because I thought you wrapped it up really nicely.
Just now, well, I who knows, so, I mean, the steaks are really really high. But uh, but you're right, Taylor, of course we rebel, Like were you thinking, what do you think I was gonna do?
Buddy?
Like?
Have you married?
Like?
I mean, I'm sure secretly she kind of hoped you would, but I guess for safety, that's why she got mound. She's like, I'm I mean, she was hop and mad, y'all. She was like curious. I was watching, like, hey fall back, and I was thinking, like, did I ever explode like that? We never, I don't think. I was just like, Harah, mommy needs a crazy get a lopcat woman, like.
Get it together, emotional support lop cat for for Haarrah.
You know, oh dear, there we go, there we go.
All right, you're a big one scale.
For those that are just listening, like we have a lot cat as a chat right now, so it's.
Real as big as like a four year old child.
At least they listen.
The more you talk about the whole notion of rebelling, like there's everyone has their own thing they're rebelling against. In this obviously the Ghost Crew, but even when we were talking about Ahsoka slash Fulcrum just now like she's rebelling against probably this past experience she had with the Jedi Order, where I'm sure she finds a lot of validity in it, you know, built her foundation and ultimately led to her shape in into who she is. But at the same time, she like, hey, there's there's fallacies in your philosophy, and she's the one trying to correct it. That works for her, and it seems but then so that's why, like it hits so much different when I know who Fulkrim is, knowing what her past is, so she's rebelling against that. And then the mind probe droid, which is the first time we see it in Rebels. The first time we saw was a New Hope. But it's funny to think that this is the first time they'll see that mind pro droid. If this is your introduction to Star Wars, Canaan's rebelling against that, like the electro shock, He's like, no, I'm still not going to give you the information you want despite all your best efforts. And so everyone has their own little rebellion that they're doing in this episode, and even the Empires a rebelling against the resolve of the Ghost Crew and the Ripol Alliance. So it's again, like I saidt the beginning, it's a very double meaning of the title of this episode. There's layers, so many, so many, Okay, let's bring a little levity into that. We've been talking about the heavy stuff and this has all been really fun. But one of my favorite moments is when zeb Sabine and Azra go to see Pizago, because the Visago scenes always cracked me up, and I thought this brought a lot of much needed comic relief. And I didn't notice this before, but when as was about to show him like no, Caanain's a Jedi, and when he says that, the music stops, there's a whole pause. But even that security droid that's like moving the crates, like he stops and turns and goes, wait, what what's going on? And then Vizago starts laughing, and then the security joy just I'm like, oh, yeah, he's no Jedi. But I don't know the name of that security droid, but I think jac will. But uh, I just thought it was finding that even the droid turned around when Ezra said that Cane is a Jedi, and it gave everybody a little pause of wait, what the f Like, what's going on?
Straight up record scratch.
He really does have like sit calm moments.
Yeah, That's why I brought up early on like things like that, and I enjoy that.
It's fun.
Yeah, even when when you're when Ezra was bowing to h to Vizago, well, first, he like grabbed his horn and he's.
Like, whoa, what are you doing?
But then the way that Ezra bowed it reminded me of there's this episode of Remember Animaniacs, of course, remember when they're teaching the Warner uh yack o. Waco and Don had like curtsy and they're like, gonna curtsy. That's what I'm gonna do, a curtsy, and you and even I was like all right, I can't come on, like right, Yeah, it was like strategically placed in these episodes where Okay, let's we're gonna this is gonna be really serious stuff, but they balanced that, I felt pretty darn perfectly with those moments of levity, so it's not just completely a depressing and high stakes episode.
Yeah.
I think that's the I say this all the time, so sorry for sounding like a broken record, but like that's the beauty of Star Wars to me, that like in various Star Wars media, you know, whether it's live action or films or series or animation, that like there's just this perfect balance of comedy and levity and hilarity and kind of adorable. Adorable sounds sounds like I'm kind of trivial. Yeah, I don't mean that, I mean like delightful. Maybe that's better banter and wit, and then you've got like really you know, catastrophe, big things happening, and real emotion and real like high stakes, high high octane action, and it's just like one of the things that I love about Star Wars the most is that balance.
Yeah, Taylor, question for you, Oh God, and that's so well said to you. I wonder agree you said that because you said that we talked about earlier in the season that they had cameras in the booth that kind of track your emotions. So did they model that little curtsy after your movement? Like did you do that? And then like, yeah, I wondering I can I can retire from the podcast now because that's all I want to know about the entire series.
Yeah, Brennant, that's heard of her first box.
Definitely definitely was Kurt saying there and grabbing Uh was it?
Keith?
Was his name? Keith who played.
Keith's horn, Keith van Horn, the best wall player? Yeah, exactly.
I also love that Zago's horn is broken. I never notice that it's so funny.
Is it is?
No, I'm not that I think believe you.
Sometimes I write notes when I'm watching the show, and I have a real hard time decide for him when I'm sitting here with you guys, because I'm like, why did I write broken horn? So I'm assuming that it was broken, but it could mean something completely different.
Well, that we actually saw that happen.
It was either Clone Wars, right, Like, was that on Clone Wars we actually see the origin of his broken horn? Or Jase would probably know, or it was I know, I've seen an animated episode where got in trouble and you actually saw like it was like punishment for like a debt Hea.
Wow, Yeah, you're totally right. Also, can we just sicatro Visago is the sickest name.
Yeah, what a name?
Yeah?
And his jewelry, I love it. It's great.
Yeah, he's a g Sorry now I'm just looking at it. I'm just imaged pouring over images oftro.
Instagram.
I know that name jewelry, He's like the mister t of. It's going to be the.
Best name in the show so far. That's hilarious.
I mean, there are a lot of really good names.
What's the better one? Let me think about it? Goes the debate.
I mean, I want that brought it up? Why why am I arguing with you? Let me do? I love names?
Uh?
I love names a lot. I love words and names. If y'all couldn't tell already, I love language and words. So now I'm going to see what if I can think of any Actually, if anyone listening can think of like better names and Sicatroviga, which frankly it is hard to be, please drop.
Them on social I think if anyone out there can think of a better name than sicatro Viga, they should be in the writer's room for stargh.
That's the crop and aiming right there.
That's true.
Luke Skywalker is a pretty goodness.
It's so Skywalker.
It's yeah, that is pretty cool.
It's it's like I don't want to say simple because that means I'm like, I don't want to minimize, like how cool his name is. But it's like the name Michael Jordan. Okay, it's like it's they're two very easy to remember names. But it's like it's Michael Jordan just like it's Luke Skywalker. It's easy to pronounce. It doesn't sound fancy. But Luke Skywalker is a badass as well, you know.
Totally uh. Sorry, now I'm on a whole.
Okay, yeah, I gotta go.
I'll talk to you guys later. I will say, no, there's too many. I will say I think that Lando Calrissian is like.
Cool, that's a bang. That's a banger. I think we're also letting how cool he is. Bleeding the name is cool.
It's so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll.
Chatt in a bit.
We got to take a poll. Let's take a pole.
I think met like, yeah, well that's a cool name.
Hold on, I just quickly did a little Okay, wait, hold on, who says that Watto is the number one best Star Wars character name? Who's who's doing this? Watto? Who's wa Vanessa?
Oh he's Oh gosh, I can see him. Uh He's like he's just flying. Oh god, what is that race?
Jason?
Oh?
From a from a Phantom Menace. It's like he's like, oh, I know who that is. I just don't work on me, Like is that?
Hold on? We maybe we need flag on the field, We need j C. J C.
So it's time to call him.
I think at this point that's a natural end and natural segue to our check segment with j C.
Who's going to correct everything we got what we only hope.
Oh my gosh, okay blue or something, And I apologize. This fact check is gonna be all over the place. It's there, it's going to be so all over the place.
It's out fault really, so.
Starting at the end and maybe we'll work backwards.
Uh, Watto is the toy Darian?
Is his species Toydian?
That is the guy who owns Anakin Skywalker and owns the junk yard in episode one.
That's it?
Yeah, yep, you didn't.
Even look that one up.
That There's no way I had time to look it up.
It you just called me in wait.
You knew that he was a toy Darian out of.
The don't work on me only money? What are you waving your head around like you said, sort of Jedi or something. I have the movie memorized, so your.
Brain is a is a beautiful place. I have to say. It's like I.
Saw him in my mind, but I couldn't get the race and yeah, the guy with the schnas and.
Yeah, he looks like Gonzo from Yah.
Yes, okay, okay, it's so rare that I know what's going on. So it's thrilling.
I'm gonna look this up.
Shirt.
I need a shirt that says the guy with the schnas you're you.
You are also going to know this one.
He's blue. He's like light blue.
Oh, when you guys did the when you did the voice, that's who I picture.
Don't work on me.
I didn't know that one.
He must have been modeled at They're Gonzo because I know how much because Jim Henson was close, you know what, George Lucas like. Those worlds are very much Koming. I would imagine that's like Bonzo must have been some sort of inspiration for the design there.
He's also the only guy on tattooing with the J Type three two seven nubiean hyperdrive. I remember that, you guys, Tia, you called out Luke Skywalker being a great name. I just wanted to point out up through I think the third draft of Star Wars his name was Luke's star Killer.
Which is also.
Which is also where they pulled Sam Whitwer's name U star Killer for the Force and Leash video game, and also in episode seven star Killer Basse is from all of them. They just keep going back to all the stuff. George came up with they'll just keep mining that for down the line. Visago. I don't think we see Visago lose his horn in animation. It broken Horn is the name of his ship, which is probably why it sounds so familiar. He lost the horn to a bounty hunter known as like the Shade. He had a real name, and at that point he changed the name of his company from Twin Horn Storage to the Broken Horn.
Syndicate, Wow Kill very little detail.
Continuing to work backwards, a lot of discussion about Fulcrum. Fulcrim was originally the name of a subspace frequency that Anakin Skywalker used to communicate with Colonel Ularen and Obi Wan and Ahsoka during the Clone Wars. So Ahsoka used the term Fulcrum referring back to as her code name, referring back to this secret communications channel that she used to have with Anakin, and so that people in the know are in the know. However, Fulcrum is not a like Lando's not a system. He's a man, right According to Hans Solo, Fulcrum is a person, but it is also a position and a code name, and multiple agents would use the code name Fulcrum because it would confuse the imperials thinking it was a single person rather than a network of kind of people who helped organize the rebellion.
He's this guy.
Sound like a joke, but that's what I thought. That's what I know.
That's what you said.
Yeah, okay, So I'm sorry. I don't want to, you know, like interrupt you.
You That's why I'm here.
Okay.
So does that mean that people watching rebels and the first time that Fulkrim is introduced, would they have been able to narrow down who Fulcrum could have been or what.
Was probably if you were really good, uh liked you?
Yeah? I did not?
They have you didn't, then I don't. Yeah.
But also you know, they start, I think in season two, they start using the Ahsoka kind of head markings for the Folkroum symbol, which at that point it's it's there. Additionally, we were talking about the way that Fulkroum kind of moves pieces around the rebellion and the rebellion and how that all plays out. We get to see a lot of that in the show and or and how there are all these different rebel cells and each of the rebel cells is kind of fronted by like a different person. So In Rogue one, if you haven't seen and Or, you see Saw Guerrera is kind of in charge of his own group of rebels, and all the rebels kind of talk to each other, but there's not really central command. By the time this airs, we will have seen the end of and Or season two, and in and Or season two you start to see how becomes a central core of leadership in the rebellion that starts trying to direct those rebel cells, which then you see they're trying to get sawde Gerrera to join in Rogue one, but he doesn't want to do it. So there are a lot of those. You see one like Lutheran and Andor Sawgerera. There's a guy named Anto Krieger that's mentioned in and Or, and also you see it in Kenobi with O'Shea Jackson Junior's character, little Ice Cubes character named Colin Rocken broken in Obi Wan.
So yes, there are.
All of these little rebel cells, and by the time the Battle of the Aavon happens, they've finally kind of been able to centralize command of all of those under one leadership of Man Mathma and Janta Donna and Princess Leah and.
People like that.
Okay, rolling back again, Tia made put me on the spot. I have to come up with something good about Mustafar. There is so much on Mustafar, like they just went deep on it. But the things that I thought were most interesting was that George originally called Mustafar that he didn't have the R at the end, and it was Mustafa, which was a virgin version of an epithet of Mohammad and the Koran that means the chosen Hei. And then also, Tia, you mentioned that your friends didn't want to go with you to an active volcano in the Philippines. I did think I would call out that. When they were working on Revenge of the Sith, Mount Etna in Italy was erupting, and they went out and filmed actual eruptions of Mount Etna in Italy and incorporated it into the landscape of Mustafar.
Awesome.
So that kind of connects to the conversation. John, you mentioned the r ig r M droid, which is Visago's droid. We heard about those originally in a book called Courtship of Princess Leah from Star Wars Legends, which is they're modeled after the mcquarie concept art for IG eighty eight. And then if they also look familiar in canon, they are this. They are built by the same company that built General Grievs's Magna droids in Star Wars episode three. They're the ones with the staffs that can fight the Lightsaber.
They almost looked like the old school like kind of figures two and like terminators. Yeah, that's what I thought of Poo when I see him.
The interrogation droid, the it DH or it DESH zero interrogation droid. Just a little interesting fact that I read a million years ago about those. George Lucas has type two diabetes and needs insulin injections, and he had actually been drafted to Vietnam, I believe, but couldn't go because he had diabetes. And so there is a lot of thought that the needle, the hypodermic needle on that droid was George subconsciously referencing back to his always having to take insulin shots.
WHOA, all right, this is.
ATDP tracing it all the way to Atst.
John or Taylor.
You mentioned that the first time we see them as in Return of the Jedi, which is not actually true. Your first time you see it is there's a single shot in profile of an ATST on hawth An Empire.
That's the first time you see it.
If you want to know more about that and the differences between the ATSD on Hawk and the ATST in Return of the Jedi, Adam Savage on his tested YouTube channel has this great model build where he talks about the differences between the Empire ATSD and the Return of the Jedi ATAT or ats T, namely that the Empire strikes back. They knew they were shooting in profile, and so they only modeled out one side of it. The other side is kind of like blank panels in very low detail, and one side is high detail. Anyway, for all of you super nerds out there, there's a little bit about the ATST history. ATDP, which is what we see in this episode is the All Terrain Defense Pod features one heavy laser cannon. There's a driver and a gunner. The driver sits behind the gunner, which is the precursor to the All Terrain Reconnaissance Transport which is at RT, which is used by the Republic. It's used for ground support, police support, civil defense, post battle cleanup, or when bigger vehicles can't access difficult terrain. You can identify the at RT because it is it doesn't have a cockpit. It's open, so you're kind of like it's more like a bicycle with two legs that goes into the ATAC, which is all terrain armored cannon, which has one set of chin mounted dual cannons. It's really bulky and is then the kind of like bridge piece into the ATST, which we all know. ATST is a gyro stabilized walker which you get to witness on endoor a little bit. The head turns two hundred and forty degrees, so it can really like scan around. There's a twin blaster on the chin, there's a blaster on the cheek, a grenade launcher on the other cheek, and it was built to be nimble, and it sacrificed power and armor to be kind of the best of all the previous at ST iterations, which is why it was so easy for primitive people to kind of knock it down.
Can you repeat that last bit?
I got? But still no rear guns, no rear.
No rear guns.
And then also there are like twenty different variations of the ATST, which I'm not going to get into here. It's like trying to get into the you know, a different version of a BMW where it's like it's an M three super it's an M four.
Like anyway, a lot of different versions.
Of at giving us a spinoff idea, we'll do like.
A talk here American graffiti.
We can just George Lucas.
There you go.
I think jac you gave us an idea for like a spinoff bonus series of like top Gy or Star Wars version.
Yes, I have a new show that I'll host.
I have a lot to say about it.
All Right, we got We're going to green Lay right now.
Very if we If you guys can all remember to the beginning of the episode, Taylor mentioned something about the bad guys in Star Wars being English, which is yes, they basically are the in universe. Popular explanation for that pre Disney was that you didn't have any women in the Imperial Navy, and you didn't have any aliens or people of color in the Imperial Navy because the Empire was a reflection of like Nazi Germany, which has an intolerance for anybody that's not that doesn't look exactly and speak exactly like they do. And then if you look at like the Rebellion, and that was part of the big thing in Return of the Jedi, with the mon Kalamari and all the aliens joining the rebellion. It was like all of the people that were oppressed came together put aside their physical differences for the good of the galaxy. Also Thron, who shows up in Star Wars Rebels in season three, when he was invented back in nineteen ninety one by Timothy z On, there's a big backstory about how Thron was a big deal because he was in Imperial but an alien who ascended the ranks because he was so brilliant. So if you go way back on Thron, like I do, when he shows up in Rebels in a couple of seasons, that's a really big deal because he was able to he was so brilliant, he was able to ascend beyond his alien skin to.
To a high rank of Grand amirle in the Imperial Navy. Glee Star Wars.
The first Star Wars was shot in England, in the UK, and so all of the extras they cast and the people for the small day player roles were British, and that's probably the actual reason why. But you know, like Phil Brown, who played Uncle Owen in A New Hope was I'm not sure if he was British. I know he was part of the McCarthy witch hunt in the fifties and so he left Hollywood to go over there, and so I don't know if he has a British accent, but I knew he had lived over there, So perhaps there was some direction that like, hey, you shouldn't speak with a British accent.
We're going to keep that for the bad guys.
And now with our tariff on movies, they're all going to be sorry.
I also sorry, am I interrupting you?
No go, I've got two more things.
I'll try and be quick. But I was just gonna say, also, Hollywood, we have this, uh, from from the time that talkies began, like well forget talkies, but like you know, when it's like a time gone by, like Gladiator, they're all they all speak with English accents. Why because it's it's never it's a long long ago in a far off place like everybody. That's like for American audiences, it takes it like transports us to a different time, a different place. They all speak in English accents, even if it's historically completely wildly and accurate. That's like it we go, oh, okay, this is not here and now. And so I feel like, aside from the practicality of them shooting in England and having a whole bunch of English actors, I think there's also that that, like not to say that that's like why they're all bad guys, but there is something about like the idea of an English accent for an American audience kind of transports us.
I'm laughing because you brought up Gladier and it makes me appreciate Denzel Washington even more. And Glady She's like.
No, no, you're gonna be gladyer. I'm gonna talk like this, Yeah, gonna make me be British.
That first line of that movie, well, his first line, where what does he say about, like, oh, John, you your brain is also a beautiful place. His very first line. I was kind of like, how's it going to sound? And then it sounded just exactly like I thought it was, and I was like, oh wow.
It's like Macbeth. Macbeth.
He has that.
Okay, real quick, I know we're side questing, but I met Denzel really briefly at like an offensive screening years ago, and I got a chance to just talk with him, like really quick and I know enough about Denzel, like don't try to kiss his ass, like he doesn't like that. Just be real with them and like be an authentic person. I just said, look, I just asked him really quickly, you doing doing the stage production now directing this and starring in it?
Like what was transferable? What wasn't?
And did you did you how did you prepare? And he just looks at me and goes, you know, here's the thing. Just don't overthink it. You do work, you prepare, you let it happen, and that's it. And I said, I love that. That's some of the best advice I've ever gotten. And it was just like a really fleeting moment. I said, I said thank you, sorry, I appreciate it, and he was just like, all right, you take care now, and that was it.
He was super cool.
But the other people that were trying to be too showy with him, you can see him he doesn't care for that. But I was just like I just got straight to Pom like, hey, whoop from this made this? And then he's like don't overthink it. And I was like, all right, that's always going to stick with me.
That's cool.
Sorry, my last couple of things. And we went from like order of most important the least important. Here, John in his summary up at the top made it Johnny five reference. Just for those of you who are born post two thousand listening to this, there's.
A movie called Johnny five.
Yeah, there's a.
Movie called Short Circuit which there Johnny five is a sentient robot that was built who kind of is Wally esque in terms of the way his eyes move and express, which was a really really big movie that spawned a sequel. I believe Steve Gutenberg was in from Police Academy.
He was in the first one.
He was in the first one.
Okay, Yeah.
And then John also mentioned Bo Knows, which is Bo Jackson reverence. So Bo Jackson jack who did John reference Bo Jackson who did a Bo nos campaign for Nike in nineteen eighty nine and nineteen ninety because Bo Jackson was the most prominent athlete since Jim Thorpe to play both baseball and football professionally and was promoting a line of uh, I think what at the time were like cross trainer shoes, whereas you can wear these shoes for baseball or basketball or football. And bow knew everything. You know, Does Bo know how to archery?
Yes? Does Bou know how to make lemonade? Yes? That was the whole Bo Jackson knew everything for two years.
You know.
It's funny. He's like an expert archer. No, Like he looks at Hoago and he shoots art.
I know, I know. Wait, are you being serious? Y?
Yes, watches thirty for thirty at the end like he's shooting arrows and he's precise every single time.
Wow, like Marksman.
Yeah, that guy can do anything. It's like Deep Bradley Baker and Steve Bloom.
Let's get Let's get Bo Jackson de Bradley Baker and Steve.
See what happens Bono's voiceover all.
Of a sudden, Man, do you know Bo did kind of no voiceover. I'm sure he didn't do the voice. But there was a cartoon in the eighties called pro Stars that was Michael Jackson, Way Gretz Game Bo Jackson as Superheroes ran for one season.
Yeah.
You know how like your brain, the smart the more information, the more folds there are in your brain. Is that did I just make that up? Let's say, yeah, say that's correct. The folds in your noggin like that, I just am. I just marvel at the amount of information that not only is stored up there, but that you're able to access because there's stuff up here, but getting it out is.
You know the joke between my wife and I when I like pull a fact in the real world, She'll go, yeah, but when when's my birthday?
Right?
That's her That's the joke.
So yes, yeah, Well, thank you for sharing your breath of knowledge with us.
Yes, we all always our idea more.
That's all I got, Okay, to make sure always I'm like back to Johnny five. Johnny Five's whole thing is he always wants input, so like that he would be feeding my brain, which you know we probably will once we're done recording.
But Jays appreciate you as always.
We always feel so much smarter and well versed in the Star Wars universe thanks to you, and I know our listeners do too, because again there's a reason why a lot of the messages we get they make sure to mention that the JC pac check is their favorite, and we definitely share that sent.
Guys, we get it.
At the end of this entire podcast, I'm going on a trivia show for Star Wars and I'm going to see if any of this stuck.
Listen out of nowhere. And I was very impressed. I mean, you did put it half, but still it was in there and you got it out.
Yeah, a lot of a lot of folds.
The promo for that is going to be like the Harvard Bar scene and good while Hunting were of course, it's your contention. You're probably reading the tim of these on novel. But here's the thing. You're going to get to this and then you're going to be convinced that to right now you're gonna you're gonna have that sort of monologue.
I'm looking.
Yeah, how do you like them?
And that's what that'll be here. How do you like them? Apples?
I love it.
We did Stars trivia from May the fourth at the Bar and uh two of my favorite queste. One of the rounds we did like aliases and one of them was Jaba the Hut and Jaba the Hut isn't his actual name. He has like a long patise name. But we accepted two answers. One of them was Jaba Tesla did whatever his name is, and the other was Ezra Bridger and then another alias was Agent Meilu run through zeb.
That's amazing, Yeah, oh, that's incredible. The very rebels rebels coded trivia.
There's a lot of rebel. Yeah, there's a lot of rebels this year in the trivia. I wonder what.
Okay, So you weren't done? Like you see, there's always more.
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