Pod of RebellionFrom poor gambling decisions to an alien voiced by the legend James Hong to the appearance of Star Wars legend Billy Dee Williams reprising his role as Lando Calrissian to the crown jewel: a puffer pig. The group unpacks all of this and as always shares plenty of behind the scenes stories!
I do remember when we were recording this one. I couldn't believe I punched Lando. I loved it. I kept thinking like, how am I going to do this? Hey, everybody, what's up? My name is Vanessa Marshall Harrison Doula, Specter two.
Hi, I'm Tsir cars the being Ren Specter five, and I'm Taylor Gray.
Ezra Bridger, Spector six.
And I am your non spector moderator, john Ley Brody. And today we are talking about season one episode eleven, Idiots Array. In the words of Johnny Lawrence, let's begin. All right, everybody, this is a very I would say, a special episode. I remember seeing this in real time, not one but two very special guest stars. One is a huge character in the Star Wars canon. But we have an equally of not some ways more legendary actor who is also a guest voice on this up episode. So I'm excited to get into it. I'm going to do my recap because I want to get that kind of in the can for you so we can really deep dive into this episode. So are you all ready for this?
You're ready for this, We're ready.
Let's go all right? Here it comes Idiot's a Ray original Airy Day January twelfth, twenty fifteen, same year that Doc and Marty went to the future and found hverboards, but different month. All right, here comes the recap. It's tough times for the Ghost cre right now. They got no food, they got no jobs. There pet touch are falling off. Okay, not the last part. Well maybe that was just for you, Ta, I know how much you love dumb and dumber. And to make matters worse, Zeb gets himself into some gambling trouble like Matt, Damon and Rounders directlessly betting Chopper and it gave a sabah against the guy who sounds a lot like the one time just Attorney of Gotham City. The guy is none other than the Lando kel Region and now thanks to Zeb and Canaan, the Ghost cruise in his debt and must move some mysterious cargo for him in order to get the credits they need to get Chopper back. This doesn't go over well with Hara, but Lando was quick to assure everyone there was trademark smooth talk that there's nothing to worry about. But between a sketchy deal with a slave crime lord named as Morgan, where Orlando trades hare for the mysterious cargo, forcing him to free your cell via an escape pod. Lando's smooth taw causing the division with the crew, the mysterious cargo turning out to be a puffer pick that expands it the worst time a ghosts cover being blown at the Imperial Blockade. It's safe to say that this deal with Lando is getting more so all the time. However, like they always do, the Ghost crews like Tim Gunn on Project Runway, and they make it work. After evading the blockade and getting back on the Thal, it looks like the cruise in the clear, but to everyone's surprise, as Morgan is there waiting for them, determined to bring big trouble to Lando's little farm. An all out blaster battle that would make Brian de Palm and Michael mannfroud ensues, with the crew emerging victorious thanks to an overall group effort, and though they win this battle, they won't be getting credits that Lando owes them, but they do get Chopper back with the bonus gift that Lando's fuel cell courtesy of Chopper's artful dodger Thievery waves as Lando watches the Ghost take off like Ellie watching ET's ship fly away. The man who will soon be well known for his extensive cake collection, caps off the episode by confidently claiming that he will see the Ghost crew again. And that is the recap for Season one, episode eleven Idiots a ray.
Well, nicely done, nicely done, excellent. I really appreciated the Tim Gunn reference. Yes, I say make it work all the time, and I often think of him when I say that, and.
Now it is your phrase.
I'm oh, why, thank you, that's great, thank.
You, thank you. And the dumb and dumber I know that on our text chain, I like to quote dumb and dumber, and I was like, Oh, they don't have food, they don't have a job, like Harry Lloyd. Let's let's do that. So this is a big one. Landa Calarisian has entered the chat for Star Wars rebels. I'm guessing Billy D. Was it in the booth with you or was he in the booth of you?
He probably Dave Faloney trusted us to maintain composure if he brought Billy D to record with us.
No, he was at the time, he was filming Dancing with the Stars, and so I believe he came in and recorded at like six am or something crazy. He had to go over there because I was freaking out that all my childhood dreams were about to come true. And of course when we got there, they were like, oh no, he's on set for Dancing with the Stars.
So I just assumed it was because Filoni was like, I am not letting these nuna ticks anywhere near Billy d Williams. Give the man a piece.
I because we met him at like some of the events that write like Stars Celestate celebration.
I think I eventually met him in Chicago.
I've never met him and I and I.
Didn't know if I should. I mean, James Arnold Taylor said well, if you'd like to meet him, like hello, and he took me over to I was just mut yeah, A huge fan of Sabah, huge fan of the Cape, huge fan of the whole Intergalactic.
All of it. So with that you just mentioned Chicago. That was twenty nineteen Star Wars celebration, which is where I have a Billy D Williams story from that. Let's remember I was hanging out with you, Vanessa and Taylor and Freddie in the green room at McCormick Place in Chicago because it was in my hometown and Freddy had an extra ticket to come back. He's like, hey, would you like to come back and then also visit your mom? Like, oh yeah, let's do this. So do you remember when I brought the donuts to the Greenville Yeah, So shout out to my hometown donut shop in Palatine, Illinois and Northwest Highway Spunky Dunkers, just in case anyone's in Palatine, Illinois. I told them. I was like, Hey, I'm going to Star Wars celebration. I would love to treat all the people there, like, not just the cast that are there, just people that are working there. So I had like six dozen donuts. I don't know if you remember, like I saw, and everyone's going crazy, like they're going pretty quick because they made them all fresh and everything. And that's what Smunky Dunkers does. They make donuts fresh, like they bake them fresh twice a day. They never do it frozen, they never deep fry. It's like very very uh, the way you're supposed to do it. So everyone's getting into it. And at this point, Taylor and Vanessa you went gone off and you were doing one of your many signings or panels that you had to do that day, and I'm just sitting there and I hear this voice, so these are the donuts I'm hearing about. And I look and it's like, oh my god, it's it's Bill Williams. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, this these are it. He's like oh, it's like it was like what. He's like, where where are these donuts from? And I'm like, oh, it's my hometown donut shot Spunky Dunkers. Like huh well, the name like that, they must be good. And I was like yeah, and then you grab one and that was it. That was my Billy d Williams story. But I was like, man, can you see that into the camera once so I can send it to my friends who owned Spunky Dunkers. But yeah, that was That was Billy. He's so smooth. He's like, oh, yeah, that has a nice day.
That was a really good Billy. Also, Spunky Dunkers is a great name for anything, really, But.
I don't know about that.
Want me bring Steve back for Potter Rebellion after dark? We can talk.
About I have a habit of saying things that I mean completely innocently and then people tend to react in a way and I'm like, why what, Oh, I see, I see what I did, and it's never intentional.
Well, I will get us hooked up with some spunky dunkers at some point, or maybe we'll do something in Chicago together and we just visit there, Yes, because they woke us up. Because god, that was five six years ago, six years ago.
Now at the start, we went to dinner the three. Yeah, we went to the Teaky Bar. But I was I didn't know you back then.
Yeah, I don't think you were there the day I was visiting. Yes, so we're like we were two ships, the Ghost and the Phantom.
If you will in orbit, Well you had that experience.
It was great. You know, I want to be like, I love Brian's song, but you know, just you know, he knows probably he.
Knows, he knows that you love brian songs.
We all love.
We all love Brian's song.
Well, I I my favorite line is in this one. That was a very useful tray.
I wrote it down because I liked it so much.
That is a fan made me a handbag with that phrase and harah holding the tray. So that is has a special place in my heart. But what about James Hang though, I mean that guy Taylor. Do you remember when he joined us remotely?
I was, wait, James Han I recorded with him in New York or you were in me?
What? What was that? Dare?
Remember that for a little time I was away and I was he was in the room and I was like, no, no, no, this first one she was in LA because the reason I wait, didn't you do a movie with him?
I did a movie with him and.
We talked about yeah, because I heard you it's throwing the kitchen to me. Yeah, because I also in.
New York, NASA, we didn't he didn't record with us in the booth, right, No, he was remote.
I feel like he was remote and he was. He was kind of saying funny stuff.
To Taylor's He was saying.
Yes, and I remember seeing Taylor's face that sounds that try. So I have a I mean, it's I just have a brief Like I mean, my my story is not a Billy William story with James Honk's story, which is that we shot a movie years ago in Thailand together. Yeah, it was great. He is such a character. I know that's kind of a vague thing to say, but like, I don't know how else to describe him, Taylor, I think that you would probably concur like he's he's he's a hoot. And I remember this was so many years ago, and yet we I remember we uh celebrated his eightieth birthday on that shoe, and we took the production got it like they took us all out on like a boat down the like a boat ride down the chow Priya River, and to celebrate James's eightieth birthday. And I mean, if we could all be so lucky to have that amount of energy and zest when we're eighty He James and I danced on the like they like had music playing, and we danced and danced and had like this big beautiful tie feast on the boat. And and that was my James Hong story.
And he remember any of this when we were reco.
So I like worked up the current. I'm like a real scaredy cat. I like never approach people that I'm a fan of, just because they don't want to be like, you know, I don't want to like invade anyone's privacy or space, and so I'm I'm very loath to like approach people and say like, oh hey, I'm a bit But I was like, I mean we did this movie together, so wait, was this in person? He must have recorded with us then, because I think I.
Was a multos because I have two distinct memories of one. I remember you, Tah, and I was like, go talk to him much just yeah, I think you just tell him yeah. And then I also I swear I was in New York with this dude that he was like saying, and I was looking at the camera, Oh you guys, because we're like on zero, were.
Like, and I'm like, Taylor, Taylor, you did I was telling you this and I was like, I don't want to say it, and you were like, dude, you shot a movie with him, Go tell him. And I think you like gave me the courage to go do that. And I did and he was like, oh that's nice. And I was like, this man does not have any recollection of our time together entire land.
I was like, either way, this is gonna be fun. If he remembers, gonna be great. If he does, it's gonna bed he.
It was very sweet, but I don't think he he remembered it all.
Yeah. I love when he's like, hair is outfit is preposterous.
Oh my god, I wrote that one down too. He says to retire is preposterous, that the train is acceptable. I'm like, this is this episode is so good. It's full of like really funny equips in like one liners.
So good.
What is his I wrote down what is his name as more Moregan as Morgan, but.
Although Lando says it two different ways because yeah, he says, that's more like how people can say Oregon Oregon. Yeah, Lando kind of pulled that the potato potato.
Well.
I think we've probably already discussed this on this podcast. But it's funny because Dave always, you know, if we were like, oh, this is a new word, what how do you say that? He invariably he'd be like, how would you say it? And we were like, an I, being like a type a perfectionist, would be like, but how is it pronounced correctly? And He's like, but people, just within the US people pronounced Spokane Spokane, Like there's people not everybody pronounces everything the same way, So say it how you would say it? And I'm like, no, what is it? I want to say it the right way? But yeah, so I think he probably was totally fine with him saying it as Morgon as Morgan. That's just how it goes with the.
That's what it's only because Lando's in it two ways, and he's like, yeah, sounds good to.
Me, like a sandwich at Jersey Mice.
I remember at the time people on social media saying that the preposterous comment was because previous to this we had only seen tweetle likes as dancers for Java. Yeah, and this is the first tweed like who's kind of crushing it as a pilot and a humanitarian and all sorts of yummy things. And I don't think did Hara ever dance. I don't believe she did. But anyway, Jesse JC can let us not. We'll have to fact check that. But but I thought that was completely hilarious.
Yeah, and also, Vanessa Hara is really rising more to the forefront now at this point of the series, where you know, like there's a badassery there because the other one where her and Sabine on the plant again they got escape from there and there, so you see that she can obviously has combat skill, she's a really good pilot, but here it's like you see more of this. You know, yeah, you may be Spectr two, but it's more like Specter one A and like two Spector ones. Because and even here it's like Canaan's really be like oh no, like she is our leader, Like yeah, she's impressed, Like yeah, of course she is, Like I know she is. I know she's awesome. And up to this point we've seen hints of Hara's like badassery, but this is where we really get to see more of it, and then the next episode will do next week that really really rises to the forefront. So it's but it's making us earn it, like we know it's there, and it's so like gratifying to see it like rise to the forefront. So that's what I see as like a viewer, I don't to the best you recollection, Like when you get this script and when you're getting to this point, I'm like, oh okay, cool, Like it's it's allowing you to dig a little deeper. I would love you to just dig into that a little bit.
Well.
I thought it was interesting how she sort of plays with the idea of femininity to like, oh master, you know, she has this whole voice that she pulls out that that. You know, it's very manipulative and strategic, and like the minute the door closed, she's like, yeah, that's a useful tree. You know that it was all sort of put on, like his master requires more time alone. You know that she just kind of can put on this subservient nonsense and you know it serves her well. I thought that was I didn't know she had that ability to be so sort of mercurial and playful and deadly, and when I love how she just goes off off screen and you hear bang, like, well, I guess that guard met his untimely death out there, or at least a head won't. But yeah, I enjoyed doing all of that. And then you know she gets in the escape pod and she's good to go. She's completely fine.
Yeah, that gag remind him it was very Indiana Jones. Whenever Indiana Jones to knock the guy's guy out and then steal their outfits, like you hear the sound effect and you just see the feet being dragged out. I was like, that's so Lucas, like Georgia Lucas right there, which I thought was awesome.
JC might have to fact check this, but is Hara the only one that says Zeb's full name on the show.
Yeah, when she's mad. Yeah, yeah, I think I don't.
Think any of the rest of us. I don't think any of the rest of us chastise him in that way, like you know, in that maternal you're in, you know, figure wagging. Yeah, I think it's funny when you I always get a kick out of it when you use his full name and he knows he's busted for whatever silly or dumb thing he's done.
Yeah. I also love how Lando was so into your artwork and how much it really annoyed Ezra.
I know.
I've noticed your artwork. Yeah, but you didn't know, but you didn't know.
Why, you didn't know why you liked it. It's very it's all that stuff. It's very sweet and very funny. Also, Chopper is like extra spicy this episode. I mean, understandably so, but he's like bringing the sass. Yeah, yes, I appreciated that. Like we know that Hara is a badass, but especially as John was saying, especially in this episode, but I like that we see that she like she's in complete control the moment she realizes what's happening, and you know, uh, like Canaan's freaking out and trying to enter it, and she's like, but bup, bup, I got this, And you're like, what is how did what is about to happen? And how does she already know what's you know? And then of course she's in complete control and we're all just, you know, in awe of her cool headedness and capability. Obviously, but that was really useful.
Tree is my favor. Harr is playing a different chess game than everybody else. And then but she's also going to be like, Okay, I'm pretty sure this is what it is, but let me wait it out and figure it out. It's like, I think I know what this Lando guy is all about. And then when she figures it out, she calls him out like hey, enough with the divide and cocker, which I love that. It's like, hey, cut the cut the crap. We know what you're doing. We're doing a job and that's it, which is so when I think about next week episode, not to jump the gun too much. You have a moment similar to that where you see things coming and which I think is really cool because Hair being a tweeleck and we have two Jedi a Jedi and training and a Jedi on board where they're almost kind of like they can be pre cogs and kind of see visions in the future. But Harra is very much here right now, but can also just see what's in front of her and what the patterns are. It's like, it's very like again, it's like she's playing a different game than everybody. That's why I'm like, look, she should be specter one. A Orkan should be spect one.
I think they should be co specter one.
I like that, you know, I like that.
So money feels like it's kind of diminishes her.
This is true.
Yeah, yeah, I mean not to just respectfully, but I think there should be co captains co chairs code.
To quote Leonardo DiCaprio and Keshmi Ifican. I concur but you're right, she.
Is like the most tapped in of everyone.
Like I feel like if for the sake of the rebellion, she's actually like the most vital of the like as this smaller piece in the bigger rebellion. I think she is the most important for making sure that we accomplish what we need to and especially because she's the one communicating with everyone else.
And don't you think what you just said just kind of sparkled it in my mind, which I don't think i'd realized before. But I feel like, Haarah, I'm just realizing that Haarah seems to have U how do I say this? Like figured it out? Like she She's able to separate her past and her baggage and her trauma the most effectively to achieve the goals that we have set up for ourselves. Like everyone else is you know, Canaan even who's like Specter one, he's struggling like often and constantly and like struggles with you know, his guilt and whatever. And then of course Sabine and Ezra and zeb As we'll find out more in the future, but like you know, we learn more about Harra's past and her you know, struggles that she's had to overcome. And yet Hara's she's the most like with it and together, and she does.
Ways.
She's got her eyes on the prize and doesn't allow, like doesn't falter in that sort of quest for what we're trying to achieve. So good job, Vanessa, way to keep it together.
She's very Mama mentality. Would that's right?
Well, it's funny because I'm I'm looking over here and I have this moonshine cantina thing from the Outer Rim sbok Leah. Yeah, at the time of recording this, I had never played Sabak. Huge Star Wars fan, but I knew of Subak, but I had never played it. I now have you know, a deck of cards, and I have a group I play with online nerd Alert, And it's so cool that we were inducted into the yeah, the OUTERBAC League, and I was hoping that we could do some sort of live record somewhere. I know that they're in Nashville. That's where we met them, and it gave us the moonshine and all that stuff, the moon pies, and but I love that we've come so far that when we recorded this, I had no clue but and since then we have become better friends with even more Star Wars fans. And shout out to the Outer Rim SUBAC League. Please join now if you'd like to play. But I think that that's really sweet that you know we've we've grown as the BAC players.
It sounds like we got some bonus content coming up.
I'll start playing students on draftings. I'll start up Okay, let's go.
My my.
I mean, I feel like I now do this sort of every episode, just as I learned Star Wars.
Just question that I'm I've genuinely been wondering do blasters Are they stunning or are they killing?
Like?
What is when they're hitting people?
It feels like sometimes they choose that they kill and sometimes it's like or is that person dead when they get hit with the blasters?
Are the settings? I think you can? I know Star Trek for sure they do set your phases from stunned to kill. I would think that there's that option we.
JC but just I mean, like, obviously I don't know the answer. But when you are training, like and I think, I don't know, you're shooting, like when they're training, when you're you know, I think I'm getting ahead of myself. Maybe in the next episode there's like a training sequence, but we're like shooting at Ezra and he's not. At first, I was like, this is a really dangerous way to train, But then I was like, oh, but that's just getting shocked or stunned, Whereas like when we're shooting at storm Troopers, obviously we're shooting to kill.
Laughing because movie.
J we need you, He'll help us.
I'm laughing because in movies and shows whenever, like heroes are being trained, like they're always tuning in a very dangerous way. So I'll bring up Batman begins when rachelle Ghul is training Bruce Wayne, and I'm like, wait are they using real swords? Like why did you kill them? Batman? So like so it's a funny movie trope and movie TV trope and like wait, this is extremely dangerous totally, but must.
Be a setting there must be. Well we'll get that true.
I don't know.
So often like we're what eleven episodes in, I'm like, sometimes they're falling like they just got stunned.
Well that might be like a Disney XD thing where that you can only have so many so much explicit uh like death explosions in the shell.
When the ships blow up. I'm like copy that right.
Well, I don't know. I wonder if there was like a like a Disney element to that of like, you know, we don't want people like bleeding out on our on our show, like you know what I mean. So I don't know, great.
Question, Jacy will let us know. Yeah, I do remember when we were recording this one I couldn't believe I punched Lando. I loved it and that I kept thinking, like, how am I going to do this, you know if we're recording like and he wasn't there, so, you know, so I fleshed that out when I watched it sort of in its full form eventually. But I do remember being in the recording session and the Lando line where he says, well, I'll just have to owe you one, and I'll never forget this one. When Freddy looked at me and when we finished, he was like, cloud City, cloud City because he helps the rebels cloud City, and I thought yes, and the seeds planted in the yeah, you know, we both were like, oh no. But what we didn't have was his last line, and I saw it when I rewatched it again last night, where it then he's like, well, of course I didn't pay them, you know, because I let them take my fuel blah blah blah. And it's like, oh, maybe he didn't os why not?
Actually, Agamba never shows his cause because yeah, but.
I'll never forget that moment where Freddy and I looked at each other and we.
Were just like, oh yeah, I will say, just like a broad strokes kind of thing based on what you're saying. I know, I know we've talked about this before on this podcast, but it just just to reiterate, it was so like invaluable to me. And I'm just gonna throw you in there, tailor, because I know you and I were in a similar boat as far as like breadth of knowledge when it came to Star Wars and we were like, you know, and arking on this journey just to have forget you know, filony, but like to have Freddy and Vanessa as like, you know, you've got like these two encyclopedias on Star Wars and like just they're not just like knowledge of Star Wars, but also insight and like opinions that we could say. I could be like, well what is I don't even know what this is, and between the two of them, one of them would say, well, you know in episodes such and such in season three of Clone Wars, such, there's this this story arc and anyway, it was just for me, it was like invaluable to have the two of them to kind of like rely on for their just like encyclopedic knowledge of stars.
I remember being in the wait you we all know the studio there's like a waiting room that we would wait in until our producer, Lindsay, who's great, and their casting director would would come get us and bring us to the back and we would kind of like catch up for a few minutes before we went back, And I remember the whole first season being like I don't what am I?
What am I doing?
Like okay, and just trying to I felt like I was cheating before a test, you know, like when you're going into school testing, like I didn't study for this, And I'll be like, Okay, who's this?
What is this?
And I would ask Vanessa and Freddie and then we'd get back and Dave, as we've talked on the podcasts, would then give us this sort of prologue of what was going on, and I remember how often I would look over at them and be like, that's exactly what you said, Like you would literally corroborate the exact same thing that they said. And then when Sam got in the mix Forget bro Bro, he was saying so much that that what Dave was saying.
I'm like, actually, Dave, no, I think this then happened?
Yeah, Sam, Yeah, put Sam, Freddie, Vanessa and pulling Sam room together and j C.
Now we have Jona, I got it. Yes, we could take anyone down. Yeah, I'll catch that tribute.
We got the we got So you said something. Think about for sharing that, because this is kind of a natural segue to Sabine because we learn a little bit more about her art. It's sake, you know, she's like she's the van Goa, the ghost Creup basically without the ear I hope, without that, but with that and you know, peeling back those layers, and it's not just her paining to pain, like you realize this is some sort of almost coping mechanism because we don't know. I don't and at this point, I'm sure I don't think you would know any more of her backstory than you did in the first episode. But when you know how like what the layers are to her story, what she's been through, what she's going through, the art makes that much more sense and this is the way she sees the world. And I thought that was really cool. My question is they mentioned January A. Byth. Did they give you any sort of context of what January byth is? Like, what does this artwork look like, because like it's a very specific thing for the impressionistic connoisseur as Lando clothes himself to point. I know, but I was like, oh that's I like that detail. And I was just curious of h kind of contact you had.
Doll, Vanessa, do you remember? I can't. I wish I had a better answer for you, but I don't remember if I mean, I knowing Dave, like, I'm sure he would have said, like, I'm sure he would have given me information on that, but I don't. It's been so long that I don't recall. J C might know.
That's always the best answer to go to. It's like, well j C will know, Yeah, I don't.
I don't remember that specific. I mean I feel like it, you know again, like if we needed to know something, there was never a time that felony wouldn't have like given us the information that we needed. So yeah, I wonder if at that time he, I'm most more than likely would have given me some information on who that is. Sadly, my brain does not retain information like the rest of y'all too.
Actually, now it's coming to that, Januar, but was like a renowned male.
There's well, there's our social clip everybody.
Sculptor from Garrel.
Actually, oh yeah, when he was young, when he was yeah, when he was young and worked as a propagandast supporting the Galactic Republic.
What where? No, No, he supported soldiers during Colone Wars wait rhetoric.
Where did you find this?
And the Evils of Count Duke? You don't forget that one.
My god.
This is where we realized that Taylor's been hustling us all along, like he's seen everything, like he is Wikipedia dot Com.
Like, yeah, wow, okay, well I must have known that at some point, and I'm so glad you remembered all that information all this time, Taylor.
Yeah, yeah, I just wanted to leave that space open for you, but I gotcha.
Thank you, thank you.
So he's a savant, you know, just sponge more. I really like when I like, I thought that there's like especially a lot of like funny one liners and like back and forth quips this episode. But when he's like a connoistant and you're like, I know what that means? What does that mean? It's I enjoyed this episode so much, And you.
See how much Canaan and Ezra alike in that regard, because yes, your care comes smooth talking Lando Calvarisian, you know, Redent and all this stuff, and what he said, I'm a galactic entrepreneur and I've in the case.
Like I know what it means, what that means.
Yeah, and uh, it's the first thing you really see Canaan kind of rattled a little bit, a little bit of jealousy there, and which I like that because we already have fallen in love with these characters at this point. But when you add in these little human qualities, these human emotions that are very real, it just humanizes them even more. It's like, yeah, you're watching an animated series, but like we've talked about this before, the acting is very real, very top shelf. Uh. But also like when you give the characters like a real humanistic trait, that's what's going to be a great storytelling. I think stan Lee would talk about it. He's like when I created Spider Man or any of the superheroes that created, he said, I had to give him real human problems. They can have these powers, but give him human problems. And this is that, like Stanley won on one if you will, in terms of let's layer in all this stuff, because up at this point, Canaan's kind of shown a little bit, he's shown his concern for Ezra, but this is the first time we really feel like he's like his imposter syndrome, which is like, dude, you're a Jedi, Like what why would this guy who doesn't even have his capes yet like be threatening to you?
You know, yeah, security exists everywhere.
Yeah, And it's very sweet too when he like you see the panic when you know, Harah is like going along with the plan and he's like who wha whoa whoa whoa.
Yeah.
So they have this like.
Nonverbal exchange and she like basically gives him a look like it's okay. You can see like the panic in his face, and he's you know, it's a sweet moment, and you're like, oh, he cares about her so much.
How about that puffer pig?
Though?
That was so cute.
I love it, like hilarious.
I loved it. I really enjoyed this episode. I like was laughing out loud.
Little Ezra, little hope you're getting like suffocated at.
It's a funny device that.
Yeah, it's a I mean there it's like a puffer fish basically, yeah, right that it just fills up an entire.
When when as it was like, yeah, your cargo is snoring.
That's the thing that was throughout Rebels that I always found so funny is how many like creatures, I guess, the way that they used the every different creature throughout like we've already seen so many and knowing what's to come.
Yeah, with the the thing in the Crate, it reminded me, weirdly enough, of Seven, Like What's in the Box? Like curiosity got the better. It's like, it's the obviously family friendly version. Different, Yeah, sparing Gwyneth Paltrow of any squirting maliciousness. Yeah, but that's what I think. I'm like, What's in the box, but like the nicer version, because you know, Ezra and zeb they're these like brothers now and they do get into mischief and they egg each other on and even those little I call them like junior high insults like it's not my fault, Like, well, it's your face's fault, like I wrote that down, and like I can just see the like obviously the chemistry was there from day one, you know, because that's why we're here, But you see it just growing at this point and it just seems like I don't know again, I wasn't in the booth with you all, but just watching as as like a spectator and like as a fan. It's like I can feel like the funness being let out of the box a little bit. Especially at this part of the season. It's like we're really like we're already all in, but like now we're really all in, and yeah, you know, we're at the tail end of season one. Now we got three more i think the wrap up season one of Rebels, and we're leading up to some pretty big stuff. And and again like this this thing with Harah rising to the forefront of this episode, it's really set in the stage for next episode and the ones beyond and and all these really cool reveals. So yeah, it's cool.
It's it's been so long when I hear Harrah yell at zeb and and you know, she just sort of really brings the heat to a lot of people in this episode. I'm like, I don't remember screaming like that. It's so it's so so much time has passed. I'm like, wow, I really uh really got into that.
Well, I don't.
I don't do much of that in my real life. So I'm like, well, I'm glad I was able to capture that scolding energy.
But yeah, it was.
It was a lot of different colors, a lot of fun, also very touching and and I think we definitely did get to know a lot of the characters, even Ezra's vulnerability when he's defensive about his appreciation for the art. I don't know, everyone just showed a little bit of vulnerability in this. I thought it was very sweet.
John.
As you were talking, I was just thinking like, oh, with time, you know, you gain perspective. And I was just thinking like what if. I mean, I know we've talked about this, but like what a fun time we had? Like what like as you were talking and I was just thinking back, and like it did feel we were having fun like we were It felt easy. I Mean when I first started, I was terrified because I didn't know what I was doing and I'd never done such a thing before. And I luckily had these amazing prolific voiceover actors to just try and like learn from.
Me.
But gosh, like it was just easy because we all just really kind of fell into our sort of Yeah, there was there was nothing. There was no like ramp up period. I don't think as far as like our interpersonal connections and relationships. It was just kind of immediate back, take us back.
Take us back.
It's eighty eight miles per hour taking it back. You know, thank you for sharing that, Tia, and you've all been so open about I guess lack of a better trans impossible syndrome, like I didn't know what I was doing and two things. It reminds you one of uh, Steven Spielberg told this story, but when he was on Jason, Henry Hathaway told him like, look, there's gonna be a time you're gonna get the set, you won't know what you're doing, and you just have to guard that secret and figure it out. I'm paraphrasing, that's not the exact quote. And I think you all sharing that because you're all, I con you know, very high level performers, and the product you turned out clearly is very high level as well. But I think that's all people see. They see the finished product, you know, of anything, and I think you sharing that, Hey, look we were kind of figuring it too, And I think that's important for people to know because I'm sure we have aspiring actors and filmmakers and voice artists people that want to get into the industry, but they see the finished product like it seems so unattainable, and you all being graciously open about it. It's just like, yeah, like we're all figuring it out too. Steven Spielberg was figuring it out, and that's Steven Spielberg George Lucas figuring it out, and you three were figuring it out. But we got what we got. And I think that's such a key component to why you get what you get because you have to remain open to like understand that, yeah I don't know, but let me be open to get received new information so we can get what we get. So so I appreciate that as a fellow performer and also as your friend.
Thanks.
Yeah, well awesome, it's it's it's it's it was fortunate for me, and I'll just just lump you in here with me, Taylor, that we were surrounded by the likes of Vanessa and Steve and Freddie and Dee Bradley Baker and like, like like to have people like that to be able to just like in your most frenetic moment of like do they know that I don't know what I'm doing? You just look at these people and go okay, okay, all right, I can do this, like you know, just having like great teachers and friends to be to try and like learn from and you know that's that was really helpful for me.
So you two were Luca and they were Lebron. So basically what we're saying to throw I mean.
I mean that analogy. It was more of adults and connects. Probably.
Oh, I'll take Luca.
You're a bit of a Dulton, you know, deep cut, he's he doesn't know what he's on real. Oh shout out the Dalton connect. All right.
I've always thought of myself as a little more of an Alan Iverson. But that's just you know what she was going to say.
Yes, I was going to say that.
I was going to say, Alan Iverson, that's crazy, it's I love that. Well, wait out of curiosity when you say I could compare you to a handful of athletes, who are those athletes? I want to hear it.
I could think of other NBA players for either Sabine or to you, but Alan Iverson for sure is.
Not in that.
I feel like the one thing you would choose are.
Like bad no, no, no, no.
I would have to think for a second, I guess I'm more curious. What do you know?
It's just because I love Alan Iverson. I just like, like, I'll worship allan Iverson. I don't actually think of myself having anything to do with allan Iverson. It's wishful thinking. But that's weird.
I literally was about to say, and then you said it, So maybe there's I think it's kismet and therefore true.
But also okay, when we look at what.
The shortest one, so I'm always the shortest.
One, that's not one.
Well, he was also such a he was also such like a disruptor. You know, he was doing the corn rows. He was his wardrobe was what he was. He was unapologetically himself, which is also Sabin. She's like, I could wear the traditional Mandalorian armor or I'm going to do it my way, which is what you do. And you expressed with your art, except your art is through painting and all that stuff, where Ellen Everson's art is basketball. So I can see that connection for sure.
I still stand by. I still stand by. It's a good one. It's a good one. But he definitely disrupted.
He changed fashion, so I could see this sort of artistry a little bit, but like he I'm a huge, huge on arms, but neither you nor Sabine would step over Tyron Lou you know what I mean? And that that is Ai AI is crossing up or even someone a little further down that line.
All right, okay, I'm MONU.
We're gonna make you a hybrid to that. You're the Fundamental Answer, which what we'll call it what Tim Duncan and Allen Iverson. I think I like that the Fundamental Answer a new nickname, and also shout out to Allen Iverson. Look, if you want to join us on our podcast, Oh my god, always open. He's been out there so you never know.
What if?
What if Ai is like a huge Star Wars fan?
You never and what if a I said, you know what, I've always just had this sort of connection to being red, I would eat all of my word.
I was gonna say if that happened, Sailor, someone.
Would have to resuscitate me. I'm just saying that would also be nuts and I love it.
But he would come down a.
Click, that's messed up, that's messed up.
Kidding, that would be awesome.
I appreciate that, Vanessa and John that you were able to see it and that you didn't.
Laugh in my face. No, I love it.
That'd be a fun maybe something for us to think about me for next week's episode of Basketball equivalent for your characters like I won't.
Like.
I think I think that could be fun for our listeners as well. So maybe you're right, your.
Man, the gears are already turning. All right, all right, h I have homework to do.
I think that's we all have homework because I'm going to think about it. I'm gonna I'm gonna go all the way back to like Bob Coosey, like I'm gonna go Wow Basketball, Harlem Globetrotters. Are you saying that hair is Marcus Haynes because I can get on board with that.
Maybe oh man, okay, we.
Should get a Kevin Kiner version of the Sweet George.
Yeah, all right, we have homework.
We have homework, thank you.
And so to our listeners, so let us know, yes please. So I think everybody on that note is going from one answer, Allen Iverson to other answers. Let's go in on our fact check with our guy jac What have we got? My man?
So I talked to Alan Iverson while recording, and he said, Shopper is definitely the character from the obviously I'm making it.
Also are three I think Isiah Thomas? You know That's what I would say, like, Yeah.
He's definitely a Detroit Piston. Yes, take your pick.
Joe Dumars, We'll give him that.
Can I be Phil Jackson since I sit in the background.
Yes, I love that.
You are very zen to JC. So it's all very on brand the moment for you.
Yes, all right, off basketball Back to Star Wars. I have a a controvert question at the end of their fact check for Vanessa. But until we get there, John, you mentioned Lando as Harvey Dent. Harvey Dent's a character from the Batman Mythology and Billy d Williams played Harvey Dent in Tim Burton's nineteen eighty nine Batman.
For all of you who are like, wait, what is he talking about Harvey Dent?
What is that?
Let's see, we talked about James Hong quite a bit, and you guys were trying to figure out was he in studio?
Was he not?
Was he in New York with Taylor? James did three episodes. So the answer to all of your questions is Yes, he was probably in la he was probably on Zoom, and he was probably in New York with Taylor. We will get to him again in the episode Brothers of the Broken Horn and the Win Kathu Job, where he also plays the same character if You Love James Hong. Also, he is in Star Wars Visions season one, I believe as the elder doing the English voice.
In that episode.
Okay, I looked.
I'm unable to definitively say whether Harra is the only character who uses Zeb's full name. There is some unsubstantiated evidence that Canaan mentions his full name. But this is an opportunity for the fans of the podcast to respectfully fill in in the comments, because I believe at this point the Star Wars galaxy has gotten so large that no one person or even team of people can know everything about Star Wars. So let us know if any of you guys know exactly if Zeb's full name is mentioned by anybody else. But I do believe Harr is really the only person who says it. Perhaps Canaan once or twice we talked about pronunciation of names. Lando changes the way he pronounces the name of let me get it as Morgan. I want to also point out that Lando calls Han Solo Han and just to go down the rabbit hole. A little bit further, Tia, you mentioned Dave Filonio is like people pronounce things different general. Jan Dedonna, when doing the Desk Star briefing, mentions the plans provided by Princess Leah very clear. So even within our main characters of the the movies, the core set of main characters, Hahn has pronounced several different ways and Princess Leah is.
Pronounced several different ways.
Interesting, Taylor, you guys talked about blasters having different settings.
I think pretty definitively they do.
As evidence in Star Wars Episode four, at the very beginning, the Stormtrooper looks at Princess Land says there's one set for stunt.
Cool.
I think that probably clears that up for all the people at home who love the minutia of Star Wars the way that I did, I did the research.
You don't have to go in.
Puffer pigs are not related to Ugnot's ug Knots being the little pig likecharacters on Cloud City that takes C three Po's head and throw it around. We briefly talked about Sabak. I'm going to go on a deep dive. I'm going to talk really fast because I have a lot of information on Sebek and I feel very strongly about it because when I was in college a million years ago, I played sebek online back in the late nineties.
Why are you saying tobac You're like a guy from England talking about pasta and.
Attack from Chicago.
That's Chicago accent coming out.
Wait, that'sa or bak.
But but yeah, John and I and Sam Whitt, we're all grew up together. We're all a couple of years of play playing well in Chicago. Everything is a is an as a short.
Ay, my Chicago accent's gone. But if you would have asked me this probably ten fifteen years ago, I would have said tobec because it's like and I would have said a nam John and not John John.
I'm home.
I've gotten rid of most of mine. But there are a few words that it comes out. And also I was living in Chicago when I was playing all the time, so that's probably where it goes back to.
I don't even notice it anyway, A quick history.
Many many believed because I'm going to say it wrong this entire time, and I am sorry. I'm going to pronounce it. Yeah, I'm going to pronounce it the way Lando pronounces hand. Many believe it's a reference to an early draft of Empire Strikes Back, where Han Solo beat Lando to win the falcon in a game of Sabaka was what it was called. The original rules of the game were created by a guy named Michael Stern and Douglas Kaufman and Greg Cordon for the West End game Star Wars RPG companion called Crisis on Cloud City, and the book came with a deck of punch out Sabac cards so you could play within your role Star Wars role playing game. That book was released in nineteen eighty nine and is discontinued. In the original Sabak game, there were seventy six cards with four suits, the suits being coins, flash, sabers, and staves number one to eleven. There were also face cards of the Commander, the Mistress, the Master, and the Ace which are valued twelve, thirteen, fourteen to fifteen respectively. Then there are special cards the Queen of Aaron Darkness, which has a value of negative two, Endurance which has negative eight balance, which has negative thirteen, Demise which had negative thirteen, Moderation negative fourteen, the Evil one negative fifteen, the Star negative seventeen, and to coincide with the title of this episode, Idiot's Array zero, which was the idiot many believes to Baka is based off of a tarot card.
Deck and it sounds like tarot cards.
Yeah.
The face values correspond to the writer weight tarot card deck. The first time the card types were named was in el Ni L. Neil Smith's Lando novels from eight nineteen eighty three, which was the mind sharp of Sharu, and they are used to tell someone's fortune in that book. Lando is name dropped Sharu in the solo movie, not Billy D Williams, but Donald Glover's Lando. The goal in the game of Sebak for all of you who want to play at home, are sabakh.
Now I'm going to get tripped.
Up on that.
The goal of the game is to God yeah, close to twenty three or negative twenty three as possible. Also for the people at home who are doing exactly what Vanessa's doing right now. The rules that I quoted were from the West End Games Sebak when Disney bought it, and it became part of lead theme parks and you could buy decks and everything.
All the rules changed, so I'm giving you the old school rules.
The goal is to get as close to twenty three or negative twenty three as possible. The positive score is better than the negative, and at some point in the rules of Sebak, the score of forty six was put in there also, but it was then taken out, so if you're playing at home, you're not trying to get forty six anymore. You pull cards into your hand, they randomly shift in your hand. They're like electronic cards. You can put the cards into an interdictor field, which will keep them from shifting. But when you do that, the cards go face up, so people know what's in your hand, so then they can play.
Like in a poker game.
It's like showing some of your cards in order so that they don't shift in your hand. There's four phases in a game of Sebak, just like poker, bet, call, shift, and draw, and the best hand that you can get, which is why this episode is called Idiot's Array is the idiot's array, which is if you have negative twenty three, I have positive twenty three. But Vanessa has the cards in her hand, the zero card which is the idiot card, the card two, and the card three.
It is a literal twenty three.
Called the idiot's array, which is the top deck that or the top hand that you can get in some back that trump's all others. I think that's everything I have.
On so oh oh god, I've got the rules here, and I'm I can't even I think you've got the rules already.
The rules that I gave are the old West End Games rules. For the current rules, you can, good luck look up. You can look up the Disney rules. That was for old school people like me.
Wow.
I actually had pulled some info on Jane or of Bith, but it was not as good as Taylor's juicy in Universe stuff. Janer of Bit was first mentioned in the holow net News special report in twenty fourteen, which was a website that put out Star Wars in Universe news. So this episode tied into a fake news story that was published on star wars dot com. And then he was mentioned again in Pablo Hidalgo's book about Galactic Propaganda, which is obviously Taylor's memorized that book, which.
Is where read when I was back in college.
Actually, yes, when you were at university.
Yeah, but I'm glad that we could cross reference.
As Morgan was on a ship called the Merchant One.
It is a light cruiser, the type of which first appeared in Spark of the Spark of Rebellion. It is the same ship class as Visago's ship called the Broken Horn, and this ship class also appeared in the Solo Live action movie. At some point, you guys talked about some of your favorite lines. This is you know, that was a useful tray. At some point, somebody mentions boz Pity in the episode if You're Got Eagle Ears Like Me. Boz Pity is also mentioned in episod Sewed three by Obi Wan Kenobi with reference to Master Quinlan Voss, who shows up in other animated forms but we never see him on screen. Bozz Pitty was originally mentioned in the Star Wars Obsession comic about Assage Ventris, who shows up again throughout multiple Star Wars animated things. That comic was written by Hayden Blackman, who was in charge of Star Wars The Force and Leash video game by Lucas Arts. And we've mentioned Sam whitwre several times. Sam Whitwaer was the title character Galen Merrick or Darth Vader's apprentice in that video game. So it all comes together to the will of the force. Here's my controversial question. Lando at the end of this episode says, well, we'll see those guys again. He never sees the Ghost Crew again. We never have that on screen reunification with the Ghost Crew. However, Ko has chosen to be the general that leads the attack on the Second Death Star, right, he's goal leader. Now we know for a fact that Hara is part of the rebellion. During that time. Haara fought on the Battle of Scaiff. You hear General Sindula said over the PA system when they're prepping.
For that battle.
We know that she fought in all of these If as Harra Sindula Vanessa as the person who knows that character better than anybody, how does Harah feel about this two timing guy who sold her out as Morgan getting the opportunity to lead the attack on the Second Death Star when Hara was sitting right there.
Honestly, much the same way Canaan is specter one. If I can quote Laotsu he who knows doesn't talk, and he who talks doesn't know. Haarah is happy to have a clown do whatever, as long as a the job gets done. I don't mean to refer to my Lord and Savior as a clown, because I love me some Lando. But she has the humility to know when to strike and when to remain silent, and when to look like number two in order to get the job done. So as long as the job's done. As long as the job's done, I don't think she cares Amen's sister.
That is a so much better answer than I could have ever imagined, and that's why they paired the Big Books.
But the thing is, that's kind of what Freddie and I were thinking. I mean, yes, Cloud City, initially he didn't have to help the rebels at that juncture, but we thought, oh, maybe he owed them one. But also when I heard at the end of this episode, oh, I give him my fuel and blah blah blah, of course I didn't pay them. They all see him again, and I don't. We didn't see them again in the cartoons, so I thought we we Actually he didn't really owe us anything, but Freddy and I wanted to tell ourselves that everything that followed from this episode in the films later on, we're hinged upon this scenario of this trade gone kind of sideways and whatever else.
So I don't know, no, I mean at the end of the day, but I'd liked I'd like to believe I like your answer. I'm inserting that cannon you know, cloud, but I say that's canon.
Whoever fought today's Wookipedia put it in there.
Well, Taylor, since we come to find out you're the creative Wikipedia give me that I.
Currently have this thing on my phone called clear space. It doesn't let me go on social media right away.
Okay, unofficial ad read is that we got? Is that what we got today?
Jac, I appreciate time.
Also, jac On behalf of us and now on behalf of our listeners. We do pre record these, so this isn't going to come out for a couple of months. But jac at this moment that we are recording this episode, just had a new baby. We want congratulate you. We send a lot of love your way to Jen and Jocelyn and your newborn daughter. You're you're the ultimate girl dad right now, but we want to want to share the love with you and also all of our listeners who we also think for sticking with us. So we wanted to express that to you, Jac because we are, you know, like a we are a family here, so we want to make sure those familial vibes shine through. All right, and I guess I made it officially awkward, So I'm going to seg thank you everybody once again for listening. We will be back next week with the season one episode twelve, Vision of Hope. It's that's a great episode and we're getting to the tail end of season one, so remember to rate subscribe to all your friends. You can write to us at Potter Rebellion Podcast at gmail dot com. Let us know your basketball player equivalents with the Star Wars Rebels characters. I mean, I'm my wheels ready turning. I can see wheels turning and everybody else too, and I can't wait to hear some of your answers. But until then, I think there's only one thing left to do, and who wants to send us out to the music. Potter Rebellion is produced in partnership with iHeart Podcasts Producing. Hosted by Vanessa Marshall, Tia Surkar, Taylor Gray, and John May Brody executive producer and in house Star Wars guru slash factchecker J C. Reifenberg. Our music was composed by Mikey Flash. Our cover art was created by Neil Fraser of Neil Fraser Designs. Special thanks to Holly Fran, Aaron Kaufman over at iHeart, Evan Krasgoorie, William Morris, Endeavor, Tresa Canobio, George Lucas for creating this universe we love so much, and of course all of our amazing listeners. Follow us on Instagram at Potter Rebellion and email list at Potter Rebellion Podcasts at gmail dot com
