TGI - Episode 106 ("Boys II Mensa”)

Published Aug 4, 2022, 4:00 AM

Shawn may have finally found the spotlight, but Will reveals why it’s so hard to watch himself on screen and Danielle explains her issues with acting in a jacket. Which only begs the question…”Holk-um?”

There’s plenty of BTS talk from Cory pretending to be smart and the actors not being able to call in sick even when they really were. And the gang notices a joke that went over their heads all these years until they finally noticed it in the rewatch! You’ll need to listen to find out what it was and if you missed it too…

Plus, Danielle reveals the wrath of her mother when she got caught smoking on the studio lot at 15.  You’ll have a lot of free time since you’re grounded and not going to the school dance - so listen to this week’s exploration NOW!

We're back in person. Is it live or is it memoris? There's an old school I don't know that one or seventies, early eighties. It's the guy was remember the famous commercial. He's sitting on the reclining chair in front of the speakers and the speakers are so loud that the wine glass is coming back. Is it live or is it memory? I do know that. Guys, we did Adler's third birthday, Thanks for Shocky Cheese. Would you have gone to Chuck E Cheese? Hell? Yes, I should have invited you. How many tickets I have left because I haven't actually gotten the thing that I would will? Okay, what do you want? Because what I want was to be invited? But I can't have that kind of I didn't think you'd want to go to Chuck E Cheese. Chuck Cheese, games and pizza awful. We had. We had so much fun. But I got to go in the ticket machine, you know where you stand in the thing and they turn on the air because well, Adler got to go in the ticket machine. But of course he wanted Mommy to go with him. Of course I had the time of my life in there, and I was competitive and Toddler was just standing there in awe like wow, and I was like chuckout, like like do I use my shirt to collect? More? Like do I open? Like what do I do? How do can you explain what this is? Because I have been to a birthday party right it's like you're blowing air. I'm for sure we're going to end up definitely, definitely COVID. Who knows what else? You are standing in a tube and enclosed tube with the dirty paper other people, lots of people have stood on, sneezed on who knows what. And then they turn on hot recycled air and the tickets go everywhere and you gather as many tickets as you can. And Adler was so cute because he just thought the whole thing was so cool. And then he had one ticket and he was like got it and I was like no, no, you need to get more of him. And then he got another one and he was like one in each chance, I'm done, baby, and I had so anyway, we had a great time. I can't believe I have a three year old. I don't know how that happens. I feel the same way every time you mentioned how old India is. When you say I have a seven year old, I'm like, how is that possible? It's crazy because I was just talking with Indie yesterday about working on Girl Meets World before he was born. Gosh, yeah we were. He was like, well, how old was that one Girl Meets World ended? And I realized like, oh, you were only like two. It's crazy. But I remember Alex being pregnant on set when you were directing, and she was Alex is the cutest pregnant lady I've ever seen in my entire life. She hated it. I know she's beautiful in general. That is true, but that is true. My oldest nephew, who was a child, announced last week that he's getting married. Oh my gosh. So it is that kind of but he's probably not really a child. So but it's like one of those things where it's like, you can't be getting married you're eight. Yeah, so yeah, gross, that happens fast. We also follow my new podcast stuff Will wasn't invited to um starting wedding and then going right to uhs third birthday party. We invited Adler's entire class, so his whole school and all their siblings and so we had probably eighty some odd people there and he first of all, he's never had like a big event outside of seeing his friends at school. So when they arrived, he was like what and his friends Sammy ran up and gave him a huge hug, and just seeing him like with his life that no longer includes me. Yeah, he's he's three. It's got a whole life at school. But anyway, it was really fun. But so anyway, I was thinking, like, is that do you want to see eight three year olds running around nothing whatsoever to do with that. I would have been doing ski ball, I would have been playing video games, and I would have been eating pizza. That's what I would have That's what I would have been tickets from kids. It's not stealing if they don't put up a fight. That's all I gotta say. Welcome to pod Meats World, Danielle Fishal, I'm right strong, and I'm Wilford Dell. Oh Man. It was so great to have Marty on the show. He's so great. Um, I hope we run into him again at a con. He is in this episode, but if I am not mistaken, well, this episode that we're about ready to cover is episode number one oh six Boys to MENSA Loves straight up nineties title nineties title, I Love it so much. It originally aired on October and Corey cheats on a n i Q test and decides to run with it. A MENSA representative comes to test him at home, so he finally comes clean to his parents and Affini that he is not actually a genius. Shocking, shocking, shocking that Corey is not actually a genius. So, um, he is in this episode, but he does not have any lines, is not really featured. He's in the classroom. He's a background actor in the scene or in the scene in this episode. Forgive me, and um, yeah, I thought this episode was really cute. It was written by Michael Jacobs. April Kelly and Jeannette could teach us, Burly, I do not know. You don't know Jeannette Katitis Burly remember you you don't know. I'm not going to tell you I don't remember her at all. Yeah, I mean this is going so far because I mean I'm trying to really, I'm trying to remember at what point I understood the writer's room, Like, at what age did I know? Because from our perspective, Michael Jacobs would be the one giving us our notes, and he did run the writer's room, but the room is physically in a different building, and we would never you know, and we weren't. Yeah, they would be there, but they wouldn't be taught. Aren't there some that stood out to you like that first season? I will never forget ken Kuda, Yes, because because of that laugh. And I became friends with Jeff Sherman within the first season. Me too if I interviewed him, because first I became friends with Minette. Was a great guy. But there was also a lot of other people that we didn't I Rememberctor in Stress. I do too remember that first season. That was because they brought me on too, odd Man out as well, so I remember both them. They were great guys. Um I don't other than susan is Stelle Jansen. I don't remember any women from the first degree, and I don't know, so I don't know if this is someone who of course, of course, and I remembinding Arlene Grayson producer. Arlene was amazing passed away while we were doing Boy Meets World of I Believe Cancer Cancer. Our second season was dedicated to her. Was it second or third? It was second? Right? The opening the first episode of the second serion depends with a message to her, which then started a rumor that it was the Lily Nix say, because member Lily was gone our second se so people thought the little girl that I didn't know. I didn't know that there was like an online I mean, I guess I don't know if it wasn't online because there wasn't even really the Internet. But there was a rumor that eventually came back to me in the late nineties, So it was like everybody thought that that was really was Arlene Grace. I did not know that at all. No, Arlene was a sweetheart. She was our Yeah, I mean technically she was kind of like like Karen McCain was her assistant at the time or her right hand, and she was kind of the liaison between Michael and that that whole staff and everything on stage exactly. She she basically may oversaw all of the production. I just remember she would always wear the same kind of sundress with that giant pager clipped to the top of her open sundress. It would just be there the entire time. She had an infectious smile um and was a great producer for kids. She's so kind and wonderful and lovely. I have a great picture with her and I will give it to the Pod Meats World Show Instagram. But I feel bad because she has one eye half closed in it. It's the only picture I have with her, I think, but it's not the most flattering picture of her, So I feel bad. She's a beautiful woman. You know what, I'll give you the one I just found our our second at the end of first season cast vote all of us together and Michael and Arlene are sitting in the middle of the couch and we're all kind of like around her. So that'll be of that'll that's better. Yeah, she's she was an awesome lady. She really was so. Yeah. As we mentioned in this episode, Marty York is guest starring as Larry, but he's just in the background. Um. Jane Carr, who I wonder if will do you know who she is? She's a very successful voice over I do know Jane Carr. She is an incredible voice over actor. She's also just an incredible actor. She was hysterical in this She's so. She has a real Bernardette Peter's vibe. She does. It's a very just that dry bringing in that dry kind of British humor. It was awesome. Yeah. And then Sam Horrigan is costumed Kid number two and Dusty Gould as costumed Kid number three. We're searching for Yeah, we're talking about Dusty. So Dusty, if you are listening to this, please get in touch with us. Write us at pod Meats World Show at gmail dot com. Please, we would love to have you on as a guest. We will bring you to Chuck e cheese. Dusty will please just get in touch us because we have so many questions, we really do. Um, so yeah, please reach out. Yeah, so let's hop into the recap unless anyone has anything they'd like to talk about. First, I'm good. I definitely remember shooting this episode, um, which was good because I didn't remember the episode itself. But like when I while I was watching, I was like, oh, yeah, I remember wearing that mask. I remember, isn't that being in that outfit? And I actually had a pretty significant partner. You did, And it's the first time we see you in the Matthews house well other than the hair. The hair. Yeah, so you're kind of more one of the shooting of the with the no that was in this that's in this episode, right, getting so confused, But this is really where they seem to start to establish Corey and Sean. Yes that Sean is this you know, bad influence. You have a character, there's the actual character there, and it's like, oh, it's the two of them are going to be connected. I wonder if this was I mean, I wonder if this was really the episode where they kind of discovered that. It seems to be. I mean it totally, it totally seems to be the seed for everything to come between Corey and Yeah. Um, we start in Phoenie's classroom, where, of course, because I notice that there is another girl in the front in the front seat where too, Pengas in the last episode, the episode we talked about with Lee, there was a different girl in the front seat. So they just keep putting a different girl in that front seat from death the female death chair. Except yeah, I guess because I did one of four and then just wasn't back for a few episodes. Um. So in the classroom, Corey has a red clown nose on. He's making faces to Sean while Mr Feenie is speaking. He tells Poenie he's trying out the nose for his clown Halloween costume, and Foenie compliments Mangus on his excellent schoolwork. Per usual. Can we all talk about Hocomb? Yeah, I had the first time I heard it, so the first time you've mentioned it, I didn't remember hearing it in the episode, and then you mentioned that he didn't do it in an episode. And last night I was writing notes, so I was looking down and I just heard holcome, and I went, wait, welcome. So here's the funny thing. He says how come in this scene at least six times, but only one of them is a hold come, and it's the one that's the first one he says. He says, Holcombe. Um, yeah, so he's talking about Corey obviously. Yeah. Cory says that Corey gets a see on his test, and he compares it to the student next to him who also got to see. But Phenie had different feedback for both of them. One of them was, you know, nice effort and the other one was, you know, a little disparaging to Corey. And he says, hold come. He gets, you know, praised and I don't. And then then he goes up to Phoenie's desk and come, and he says, how come, how come this? How come this? And he says, how come a bunch of different times and it's totally fine, but the first one is is a definite Holcomb hol Come. It's great. Um. So Corey asks Peeny why he never picks on Mincus and he says, well, Mincus gets nothing but a's And Corey says, Mincus gets away with anything like making paper airplanes, and we get great, It's so cute. It's a great joke. Alane will never get over how incredible props departments are on sets. It is absolute magic. You realize a prop department would get the script the same time we talked about getting the script, so the night before an episode. Now, to be fair, outlines go out a week or two ahead of time, where there's some notice, notice if it's gonna be something major, usually exactly like we're gonna need it, we're gonna do this. They may have known that a paper airplane was going to be in it, but maybe not, but they probably found out they needed to have an elaborate, awesome paper airplane the night or two before they needed to have that done, and then they just make it happen. And I have had a shelf sitting on the floor of my house for six months because and I think, how how are people so good at this? Um? I loved our art department is the most mysterious to me because I have no talent like drawing, more ability to think in those kinds of visual prop terms, like I just can't build anything, just not. But it's also what I think is kind of the most important, Like I love it in terms of filmmaking, like that's I love when the art department feels realistic and lived in or when it takes both stances. I think it makes or breaks. I was like, um, you know a movie that I couldn't stand but I still loved because of the art department was a joker, like the way that that art department was able to create New York in the nineteen eighties in that like gritty, it's like a very specific world and that's all art departments and like, yeah, so I think it's it's like the most it's the most difficult part of the job for me to wrap my head around, but it's also the most important. Now. I know, it's a circle, which is not the hardest shape in the world to make, but you create. You built your wife's wedding ring. Yeah you No, You're like, I have no challenge. I can't wrap my brain around it. And then from scrap you smelted the metal amout. You just wanted to say the word because soon I've literally talked about this where it's like Rider, It's like I see you out there with a pickaxing in the world to have done, and it makes us love you so much that you are such a romantic that it wasn't just enough for you to design. It's kind of embarrassing. Actually the story, No, I just it's because my dad had made my mom's ring. My dad, my dad had made a wax a lost wax casting, which is where you carve a ring and wax and then you create a mold from that and then use that mold to pour the gold or silver or whatever metal into the mold and you have a ring. Uh. So I had always grown up right, like my dad was always super crafty, built the house and grew up in and and he was an artist and a draftsman, and he could do all those kinds of things. And I think he had done it as part of a class he had taken a jewelry making class when when they were together, and so he did this anyway. So I always knew that in the back of my mind as a sort of family story, and so that's why I did it. And I had to ask around friends and friends, like does anybody know anybody who actually like makes jewelry? And I found a guy in Echo Um and Echo Park, and I went to his house for four weeks and he four weeks well, and then they cut his line. You seriously were crazy lived at a guy's house. Guys, I would go what would have I was writing at the time with my brother downtown l A. And I was living in Silver like with Alex, So I would have to go to my work, which writing with my brother. But I would really sneak away for like an hour or two to go into this basement where this guy had made and he would he taught me how to do like the basics, and then I would just have to sit there and carve. And he he was like he was like trying to be like my Mr Miogi. He was like he wouldn't let me use his tools. I had to get all my own tools. And then and you're never going to do again we're never gonna do. I mean, and I like you the reason we're having this conversations. I was bad at it, like I was shaky. I'm not good at like fine be a surgeon. No, no, really bad one. And the ring is pretty ugly. It is my wife doesn't wear it anymore. And you know it was I was trying to incorporate diamonds because oh it's a it's a I mean, you know it's it's an engagement ring. I want to incorporate diamonds. Anyway. I didn't make the diamonds, did you know. But I had to go get them. I had to go downtown. He sent me downtown to like get my own gold and get my own time. So I spent weeks like going through this weird secret journey of like, yeah, someday I'll read I'll read a story about it, because it was it was actually pretty interesting and the guy was really interested in cookie would tell some funny stories in your story. Can the woman say no? After all that dat to happen? Yeah, anyway, So I just wanted to mention that because writers like, oh, I'm terrible at all this stuff that he made his wife's I was gonna say Smelt again. I just want to say that one more time. Um yeah. Oh by the way, for for the record, I think for the props department we were throwing out props. It was it was Glazer, David Glazer and Mark Patson, right correct. At first it was okay, yeah, so those are a shout out. I think they were our props all throughout because then Mark Papson left to go do Seinfeld and he only did a season of Seinfeld, and then Hector Hector came in and then I guess it didn't work out with Mark on Seinfeld and he came back to Boy and then it was mostly Hector and Mark who were who were there? Um, so yeah, they switched it up. But we we've talked about that before. We talked to Dr Papson. Yes, that's right, Dr Papson. Okay, So we moved into the school hallway and writer is waiting for Corey in the hallway after he had detention in our Okay, I have a distinct memory of how bad of an actor I was making this scene in front of the audience. I was trying to play waiting for Corey in the opening of the thing, and I checked a watch that I didn't have remember in one of the takes. It's not in the take that, but I remember in front of the audience, I was drinking my juice or whatever I'm supposed to be doing, and I was supposed to like but it was so it's so clear to me now that I was like indicating acting like I need to show that I'm waiting for passage of time, so I'm going to look at my and I didn't have a watch, And I remember in front of the audience looking at and down and being like, oh, that's bad acting. I have a funny Jill kill. If you wanted to turn that into a joke, that would have been great risk. This to me, by the way, in you know you've been on the show already, but this to me is the first Shawn scene. Yeah, like this was Sean. Yeah, you're I'm like, I'm helping him get in trouble checking the gene. Yeah, you're sitting You're not behind him in the classroom, you're not next to him in the cafeteria. You have We see your physicality, we see how tall you are in relation to this Sean for the first time on the show. That's true. Um, you know that, and I remember distinct I wrote that down. I was like, oh, this is this is Sean. So we definitely shot this after Corey's Alternative Friends. We shot this after and it aired after Coreys alter. Yeah that makes sense because Alternative Friends would have been so this is probably soon thereafter and yeah, becoming becoming more of an actual character. I mean, this is the first time it feels like Corey has a best friend who's his sidekick and together and you know you are. But the thing that's kind of interesting is you're the one trying to talk him out of doing eventually, and he's the one going, come on, I'm gonna do it anyway. What's the problem? Um that that is something that never comes back. It's yeah, that never comes back. Well not really. Corey is always and kind of the timid one. Yeah, but I'm trying to think, isn't doesn't second season have a lot of like Corey Shawn Jinks. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. The scheming. Remember the first episode where I talked about it, where I was like, I thought it was going to be a scheme where Corey's like, Hey, why don't we go to the game after school? And then I was waiting for that to turn into something, but just you never did. This is where this is. I think the start of Korey and Sean are always scheming, they're hatching a plan there. This is kind of the beginning and it's yeah, it's very cute. Um. So Sean finds the answers to an i Q exam in the trash can, which interesting, Yeah, okay, so but sure we buy it? Well we buy it? Can we buy it? For the episode? Corey says, the answers to the i Q test is one thing that Phoenie will get. Well, is the one thing that we'll get Phoenie off his back. And I love Shawn's logic, which is this is a test that doesn't matter, righting It kind of works, I guess. But yeah, also a little ahead of its time, like i Q tests used to be a big thing that we gave kids and then put a lot on that like, oh where did you fall in the i Q? Are you average or you above average? And now we look at i Q tests and we go, really, a lot of it depends on how good you are at testing in general. Um, And they're kind of arbitrary. They don't really mean a whole lot. We don't place as much weight in them. So it's a little for Sean, it's a little ahead of his time, like, I'm not going to waste my time on this thing that doesn't mean anything. It doesn't get me an a. So he's over it, and Corey's like, yeah, but what if I get to skip every test after this because Phoene thinks I'm a I'm a genius. So Sean actually tells him not to do it, but core Corey says he's not smart, and tomorrow he's going to be a genius. And sure enough, the next day we're in in Phoenie's classroom. He announces that there is a student who got the highest i Q score and who deserves a special mention bends off shucks face throughout this thing where he's just kind of like raising his eyebrows looking around like it's it's really good. He just keeps that going for the whole first half of the scene, which, by the way, is maybe aside from the fact that Phenie already knew going into it that there's no way this was legit him knowing it's him. If you were a genius, you would probably be completely unsuspecting, like what it was me or sure, there's no way, but he is making the space to everyone in this big exaggerated way. It's me, it's me, And I love how and we can we can get into this also later in the episode. But I love how. Nobody buys it. Oh yeah, No, there's not a single person that's like, wow, we didn't expect that. Nobody, you know, Lee, you know, Mancus, nobody's parents. Nobody buys it. But they don't make it explicit, and that's super interesting. It's like buried throughout the whole. So I think, like watching it with India, I think that there was some like do they know? Do they like? I think he you know, even quite understand. I Q like the whole concept of like cheating and i Q but he did understand. He was always like, is Corey going to get in trouble? Is Corey are they going to finally talk about you know? Does he know? So I think for kids that does kind of work. Yeah. Yeah. I also like the idea of we're not we're not going to call you on it right now, We're going to let your conscience. We've we've raised you well enough to know you're eventually going to call yourself on this. So we're going to see some like state testing what organization from me? Yeah, yeah, where it's like, yeah, that's I did. Like though their argument was at the end Betsy does say we didn't have any proof, and so it is it is an interesting thing to say, We're not going to just call you a cheater. Yeah, I'm not just going to outright call you a cheater because I truthfully can't. I don't suspect that it's the truth, but I can't prove that you are lying. And so I'm going to let you face the consequences of this until you're willing to come clean, which I think is is actually smart parenting. Or Corey really is a genius and Betsy and Rusty's characters are not smart enough to realize that's also probably not what it is. It's probably not. Uh So, Mincus thinks he's the one who Phoenie is going to announce as the genius in the class, and then he finds out he came in second. And one of my favorite things that happens in this scene that I do not know if someone told her to do it or she just did it. On her own. But the girl who is sitting in the front seat is drawing on her arm with a sharpie. She's just like this, head down, right, left hand with the sharpie, right arm, either drawing on her shirt or lifting her shirt sleeve up, or drawing on her arm. Something she and I wrote, is drawing on her arm with a sharpie. And I thought, I wonder if somebody told her to do that in the scheme of uh genius, like, oh, do something, do something that's not that's at I bet you it's just a board extra. She was just like, and I think it's funny that neither of us saw that. How we're all watching different things when we watch the show, because that's your seat. That's exactly what I'm looking at. That's what I'm saying. It's like, we didn't even notice that, but that you're like, that's where I'm supposed to be. I'm noticing everything she's doing. She's drawn on her arms. Unbelievable, that is That's exactly why I was looking at it. I was thinking I should be saying that that's my secret, my seat. Uh So Mr Phoenie says he needs to bow to Corey's genius and Corey turns to Sean, suspecting that Phoenie knows it's a big It's a very big deal. Mr Matthew, Yeah, very cool. Uh. And then we are in the Matthews living room and we see for the first time that Betsy Amy Matthews does have a job, at least part time out of the house. In every episode up until this point, she has been handing someone an apple, fluffing pillows, who know, you know, doing something with Audrey Andrey. And this time she's dressed very nicely, and we learned that she is at least a part time real estate agent. So she is getting ready. Yeah, she's showing a house. It's still the bricks split I remember, you always remember that. So she's in one episode she's just and it's just stuck with me. She's trying to sell the bricks split level on Oak Street. And Will would say this for all seasons. You don't remember this. It was always like, I don't know why, I just became the joke. It was like, where's where's Betsy. Well, she's trying to sell the split brick split level on Oak Street. Six years on the we haven't seen that yet. That doesn't think it. I thought about that. It's like, oh wait, is this the bricks level? But she has Okay, so she's yeah, she's showing a house. We're going to talk about this later because she's also called a homemaker there. Yes, she's a homemaker with a part time job. Yes, yes, that's what he says. And she's also a real estate agent. All right, we'll get into it. But yeah, that was interesting. Yeah, well, I wonder if a homemaker is something different than a housewife. So we'll discuss that when we get to it. Because he mentions a home maker and then talks about how all of this helps to create the home. And part of that is she also works outside of the house and that helps bring an extra income and so that's what's making the home. It's like an ecosystem. I don't know, we'll talk about it later. So um uh. Amy says that they're going to buy Morgan's Halloween costume tomorrow, so it you know, we have the Halloween theme running through the episode. Eric walks in and he's going to watch Morgan now, and he says he's going to teach her how to take out the trash so that he doesn't have to. Yeah, this is one. This is an episode I think if memory serves and I could kind of hear it because I know my voice very well. I think I had a cold, and so it was one of those things where you know, I'm living in l A for the first time, I'm I'm seventeen years old, I'm living with a legal guardian. And it was like, oh, you're not You're not just allowed to call in sick because you have a cold, Like the show must go on, you gotta you gotta go off, and you gotta do the show. And then we're talking about coupling people up, preparing pairing characters up. This is really the first time that Eric ever calls Morgan weasel yeah, And so they're trying to remember that became it did for like three episodes. It was like they're trying, Okay, it's gonna be Eric and Morgan. We'll try this pair. Like that pair didn't work, so let's try this one. And this is when they were really trying to now pair us and could you drive? Could your character drive? At this point, no, because they talked about you getting a ride home? Well, because doesn't Amy say is either. In this episode of the last episode, she says, I've been a parent now for fifteen years. Okay, so you're not two, And then she also says he was born in oh and you guys are going together to the Arrowsmith concert, right, yes, would have made your Yeah, yeah, because I was seventeen and I was born seventy six, so yeah, yeah, um, and then it switched around where that you know then, because what great did you end up being in like a fourteenth year senior or something. By the time we were done, I've been at Pembroke, you know for thirty five years? Yeah, both, yeah, but they were they were then, yeah, trying to hook Eric and Morgan up where it's like, all right, let's try this pair now and see if this is going to be some comedy here. And you are cute with kids, which is you know, I mean later on you ended up being paired with a child as well. Yeah. Yeah, I like working with kids. I just don't want them around me all the time, right, we get it. We don't like having exactly do you writ brought one to the house today? I asked permission. I could have found a babysitter. No, never, of course I love kids, I really do. Okay, So Eric says he will take Morgan to get her Halloween costume today. She's very excited. Corey and Shawn walk in frantically. Okay, this was another horrible acting. Do you noticed Ben and I just standing there waiting for the door to open because you exit and we happened to be entering, but you could. She's just standing that we can actually see your silhouettes that we didn't run in. I was just like, look at me, I'm just standing away. It's like the most Now, why do you think, like David Traynor is the director. We we know as directors that that is something you tell you have to tell actor kids to do take a couple of steps. But you know, also like we probably did three or four takes and this was just a take where it looks really bad and for whatever you know, and and the director doesn't get final cut. So if there's another reason that they liked another take, yeah, you know, because David could have been great and given us that note. But it's also possible that there's just so many things on kid time that some things just slipped through the plasm. But yeah, okay, so I did not notice that, you know, but you obviously did because it because it's you. But I thought you were wonderful. Um, so you yeah, you guys walk in frantically, and Amy and Eric know something is up and it must be terrible, and then you guys, you guys leave. Then we're up in Corey and Eric's room. Corey tells Sean. Mr Finnie knows he cheated. Sean opens the letter Mr Finie wrote to Corey's parents. Now I don't know if this was a continuity thing or what, but like Corey definitely says, what are you doing? That's a that's an envelope addressed to my parents. And then the argument is, we'll just put it in another white envelope. I assumed that meant on the front of the envelope it said Mr and Mrs Matthews on it, but I guess it was just a white sealed envelope or they wouldn't know that it was originally addressed to them. I also love how Corey the idea of like, we'll just put it in another envelope was like, WHOA, yeah, exactly, I never even thought of that. Well here's the thing here, I will I will actually make an argument for that because I was a really good kid. Yeah, me too. It would never occur to me to manipulate the situation. And so I think if you are, Cory's already been established, that's kind. But you know, I don't know if he is mischievous that you know what he is. He's a negotiator, Like he's the kind of guy who wants to argue. He talks his way through everything. That's a little different than like like a schemer who get you know, So he's more of ala. It's more like a little loyally stand up comic and trying to talk his way out of things rather than you. Maybe more are the like actual planner of the schemes. Yeah, that makes sense, that makes sense. That Yeah, I mean I wrote down Sean is kind of an evil sidekick, you know, And that's it's the beginning of that. Also, God, man, I never stopped touching my hair, ever stopped touching your annoying. I can't believe it. They didn't like talk to me. They loved it. Are you kidding this? You were then in the team maaging a year later they loved distracting like I just want to It's clearly a nervous habit, like a tip. Well, I also noticed in this episode we get another a couple of bend belt pulls. I also think that is just a it's just a nervous That's why I can't believe anybody didn't tell me, like Michael or any of the directors, like right, or stop touching your hair because it's so distracting. Don't. Maybe it's not as attracting everybody. That's the thing is, Maybe you're just hyper vigilant of a watch. I stand in the bedroom scene more than anywhere else. Yeah, in the bedroom scene for sure, but it also doesn't take me out of the scene. I just think, oh, there's writer doing the thing. Um. And so yeah, it's definitely more distracting to you because it's you. But you know what else it is. Honestly, it's because they're straightening your hair. Um. It's one of those things. If you watch any show or movie, any actor playing with their glasses is an actor who doesn't wear glasses in your life. So you have your hair being done every day, you're not used to it, so it's like your hands are going through it totally. So it's that kind of trick. It's also significantly longer when it's straightened and so it's in your eyes and you're trying to get it out of your face. Um, okay, so they open the letter. Yeah, I wrote bad influence Sean really the start of this. Now, I also noticed this is such a stupid thing. But we listen. We watched the shows with chirons with the you know, sometimes in this episode the chiron says, Sean spelled s e a N. Really, yes, and then later in the show it's spelled Sean s h a w N. Are you watching on old school DVD? Are you watching on Disney Plus? Disney Plus? Interesting? Me too? Yes, Yeah, so I noticed. I just because it has occurred to me a few times when people don't know how to spell our character names, and I think, well, how do people not know how to spell our character names? I go, oh, because they weren't reading the scripts. I've always been baffled by the opposite question, how do they know how to spell? Because Sean's usually everyone because the female version of Shawn has spelled s h a w N. Traditionally s e a N is the male version, So the writers kind of made a mistake by spelling Sean the way they did, and yet everybody knows it. Like fans people come up to me, they always spell it. Well. There are definitely episodes where it was written somewhere. It's in the title of the episode where it's where where there was I know there's an episode I don't remember what it is, but there's an episode where we are our class. Um, our yearbook pictures are in there, and so they have our name o yearbook pictures. So uh, Corey is always spelled correctly to which you know you could do it with an E, and people always and I'm like, how do they figure this out? Right now? But I guess there are scripts of Boy It's World available online because I've had people show up and yeah, me too. Yeah, I wonder again though it's it's also experiences. I know that sounds ridiculous, but my best friend growing up when out until I was like eight years old, was named Sean and it was s J w N. It was yeah, so interesting. So um so yeah, I mean that's to me that was always spelled correctly. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's very strange. Okay, So they open the letter and um, they're just gonna replace the envelope, so then we're still in Corey. In Eric's room, Corey is listening to classical music with his Phillies finger on. Now I remember this specifically. Do you know why I remember this? I remember this because they brought Ray Colcord down to the set to work with Ben on how to conduct a symphony. Like I remember, actually remember because it has nothing to do with it. But he came down to the set, he had his baton and he was teaching Ben how to conduct a symphony. Like I'll never forget that. It's really funny. They're just like, all right, Corey Matthews, are you listening to classical because well they do, say they've just come from the meeting with Phoene. So imagine as a parent, you get called to the school and Phoeny says, so he's taken an i Q test and apparently he's a genius. And then the whole way home they're saying, do we buy this? But how would he? Would he cheat? And wouldn't he come clean? And then you walk into the house and you hear classical music coming from his bedroom. You would walk in a little bit like this first show. Now do you think that was the conversation they had or do you think the conversation is Phoenie going, he cheated on the test? Yeah, I think that's exactly. Yeah, it's like, how do you guys want to play that? Yeah, exactly, and then being like oh, looks like yeah, yeah, yeah, it's interesting. Yeah. I feel like that's too direct for Phoenie. I feel like Phoenie parents, well, not playing the parents, but a little bit of the same way. So the parents who we want to just come right out with no proof and call your kid a cheater. I feel like Phoenie would have said, listen, I we know this child, well, yes, and this and so this is out of character. This feels out of character to me, what are your thoughts? And let them agree with him and then say, so, how do we all play that? You're the Poenie whisper? Yeah, talking about us? More about back story? I want to know. Seriously. He also does that with what's salad to eat? Every night he makes a salad for dinner. It's just and that's a spinach, a giant bull. So I just came up with a TV show, prequel, prequel show origin story for Phoenie. People talking and people have pitched that really, because how great would it be to see him in high school or in college and like with his Mr Feenie. Wow, oh my god, I would love to watch that show. But make it like a straight coming and it's it's basically like Dangerous Minds, like the evolution of him as a teacher, Like it's his first year teaching out of college. So he's only because he said that he had been teaching for thirty five years and it's Vietnam era American Really Yeah that's okay, So end of Korean War. Okay, so fifty eight he's teaching. Yeah, this would be an amazing and he's him in high school. No, I want to see him. I want to see Dangerous Minds. Uh standing deliver, you know, like the teacher who becomes like maybe I'm talking sitcom. No, it's a movie that's drama. That's that's true. I think he's a total hippie. Yeah, he's just a total flower child. He's just No. People have said that to me. They're like, you know, you should do you should do a prequel a Fenie and you should play him. I was like that seems like that would take people out of the realm for that kind of thing. Be hard to focus on. Yeah, but listen writer, we'll develop this idea after Okay, So he's listening to classical music. He's got the Philli's finger on. Alan and Amy were watching him from the front door. They say they know about the i Q test that he scored the highest in the history of the school district. And Amy says she doesn't understand why Corey's i Q tests are way up here but his test scores are way down here. And Corey says it's because of a flaw in their public education system and the system has failed him. That's like the genius Corey lawyer in league exactly. I was like, this is a pretty great argument response. Morgan walks into the room. She's dressed like a zombie. She's got a fake eyeball hanging from her face, and Eric is super proud of it because Morgan picked it out herself. Yes, I actually thought so. The last episode was really painful for me to watch the Nicky Coxs episode. Yeah, that was that is horrifying for me. Like, um, this one, I felt like I was a little bit more comfortable. Yeah, it was not great, but it was definitely I was starting to slowly get it a little bit. So this one was not as painful to watch, and we talked about how the last episode was actually the first episode that we film. That's that's why. But it's this. This was a little right between one oh five and one oh six, actually a lot of times like four episodes. But here's a question for you, guys. Did you ever get so around the after you've shot two or three episodes, generally then the episodes that you've shot go to research and focus groups watched the episodes, and most not. Back then that was Disney. That's that's now Disney Channel does that? Okay? Back then ABC did not. I doesn't say so, did you guys get you They didn't do focus groups and you didn't get feedback. I never got enough that it wasn't there something back in the day called like your Q rating, which they weren't supposed to do, and you weren't supposed to know what it was supposed to. Everybody did it anyway, and it was like it was it was technically like it wasn't illegal, but it was like, you don't. It's basically the equivalent of knowing how many followers somebody has on social Yes, QUE rating was your recognizability based on some sort of algorithm that took into account how many times you appeared on television and how high of a rating those appearances made, and then they were able to break it down. I got a copy of did you really? I got a copy of the QUE rating. This was like some my manager or whatever got ahold of it, and I was like on a list, and I was like thirty something I want to say, And I remember everybody being like, oh, that's actually a pretty high Q rating. I had a high Q rating two, and I just knew it was about because even it's about whether or not somebody they may not know your name, but if they look at your face they go, yes, I know her. And so it's it's frequency on television, like and it would take into account if you were on a news program or had done an interview, and it would take all of that into account and sort of crunch the numbers to say, like, you've been seen by this many people this consistently, so therefore we can put you on a rating scale of like I believe you got to hold it? Yeah, no idea, what mine never was? Or I don't remember what I mean. I'm sure what it does, I think, Yeah, I'm sure it does they just don't talk about you won't use it anymore. Now you could just know your influence tr social media. Um, okay, so yes, I thought you were very natural in this. You're you, and you're at better. We're all getting comfortable with like the very notion of a sitcom, definitely, and more comfortable with each other, and it's and you know, we're getting to know each other as people, and that always makes a difference when you're getting closer to your cast, where just everybody gets more natural and just kind. Yeah, you naturally fall into it a little bit. Can we talk about Lily zombie outfit? How awesome it is? It was pretty girl, It's great, it was really cool. So then the next day we're back in Phoenie's classroom and Sean tells Corey to enjoy all the attention he's getting, but Corey does not like it, especially since now his parents are involved and they want to blame the school because they wouldn't. So this is the first time again where now we see Corey and Sean hatching their scheme. I love this, this little like pow wow moment back and forth. The banter of this is kind of probably the first time and then I wrote, this is the establishment of this episode together Uncovering, and that like him turning back to have this conversation with me is like I just remember that as like you know, that's in my body like I saw it happened. I was like, oh yeah, I spent years doing that, sitting on the edge of the desk or leaning forward in the desk. But he turned around like that was just that's just how we lived our life for six years of filming this show. But it was no longer Corey and a group of guys. It was now Corey and shown exactly and it was and you can tell how well it worked. It's it's a really fun um watching you guys one pairing up where they went, okay, that's done, like yeah we got that. Um okay, So you guys decide that you can blame the school because if you hadn't found the answers, you wouldn't he wouldn't be in this situation and he wouldn't have found the answers had you guys not been in detention. So ha and I love you say nothing we do is it's so great? Um? And then Mincus walks up Lee and he wonders how why Corey copies off of his paper if he's such a genius, and uh, you tell him it's it's um that you're admiring. He's admiring another genius's work. And by the way, you then have a genius envy joke. You say genius envy. It's a penis envy joke, straight up penis envy joke, which I obviously don't think Scott. At the time, I did not get it why it wasn't there, But I mean I wouldn't. I would not have understood it until now, and then I was like, hey, pretty clever. I guess I probably understood it. If not, I probably would have asked somebody. You understood it as much as you could possibly understand without actually dying. I don't think what penis envy was at that age, yeah, Mr So. Mr Finnie then walks in with a substitute saying she is going to teach the class while he talks to Corey outside. Oh no, I mean this is a total nightmare. By the way, this scene in the classroom is where the Chiron ended up saying sean regular was spelled correctly, So in this scene we get Sean correctly. So we are in the school cafeteria. It's empty. Phoene's making himself a cup of coffee and he asks Corey if there's anything he wants to bring up to him. Corey says he wants to talk about sports. And his laugh that he does is great, so funny. It is the most natural laugh I've ever seen a kid do on a on a show. It's so funny. Um. So he laughs because he's like, you know, caught and nervous or feels like he may be caught um. And so he gives them options about what he wants talk about. Corey says, oh, let's talk about sports. Phoenie says there's a school that's better for people with his kind of an IQ, and that the current school is holding him back. So he's not going to be at John Adams High anymore or John Adams Middle School as it is, and he says that he's no longer in his class. And this is when Corey realizes for the first time that this has very his lie has very bad repercussions. Now we come back and we're in Corey and Eric's room and this writer is where you are wearing an outfit that I think. Actually, I actually wrote on my shoes are pretty cool? Were they? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? I thought maybe for sure you'd bring that up. I have sneakers on red something I don't know. I was like, oh, I was so distracted by the upper half of your outfit. I didn't pay attention to the shoes because you are wearing a blue long sleeve with a print some sort of print short sleeve. But I'm putting short sleeve in quotes because it comes to me four it's medium sleeves. It's for what we we would call extra in the in the in the pants. So there you go. There, there's the picture. Now the blue long sleeve the equivalent of a shant shirt, and then and then a den invest over it and the short shirt. And look at us both with hoods. Are you both cants? Are they do they go all the way to the bottom? Are you wearing three quarter? They do? They just they're so baggy, they're like resting on his shoes. And then you've got cool sneakers on that. Again, I was so but I look at this and I really do think other than that shirt being that short sleeve shirt being a little too long, I actually like that outfit. Okay, Okay, I think that's kind of cool. I mean, it's it's basic. The goal of the costumer was clearly too layer. Everybody is layered, and it's kind of true, like if people just wear T shirts, especially kids, it gets kind of boring, right, Like the whole idea is to like give give people a little depth. And you know, so I have a question at which and again this might be something I'm completely making up. It might also just be a rationalization at the end of the day. Do you have any where any of those multi layers? Did any of that have to do with making it so you didn't feel the balls when they were shot at you? Oh? You know? Or four? Three or four? I'm caring three or four, and so is bed Like we're always wearing three or four. I thought to say, what my question is, is there where the show takes place in Philly? Is there some of it that's an aspect of well, it may be cold outside, but we don't want to have jackets on because jackets that's a better that's a better question. So that's what the red Do you guys ever feel like our show took advantage of its location, though in that sense. No, like we never really creatively about like well this besides him liking Phillies. But I mean, all through seven seasons, we are just kind of a generic place. That's what That's what you want, though you wanted to be any town, USA so that you can watch the show. I don't think so. I think setting is so important. It depends on what kind of show. For an adult show, yes, New York has its own kind and that's why every sitcom Seinfeld Friends, they were all in New York. For a kid show. You want a kid to be able to turn on the show in the middle of the country and go, this is my house. Yeah, totally. No, it's it's very suburban. We don't know where and you know, but then there are episodes where like, you know, I become a gangster, are working for gangsters. So we're definitely in a city. But I think about it. It's it's Halloween, it's October, and of October in Philly, it's probably pretty cold. And yet you guys they were having any discussions like that from I mean, I don't think. I don't think we ever talked about, ever talked about like the winner. Well, I know, for a fact that I was talked about with weather because I was constantly put in jackets. And here's a fact. I cannot act in a jacket. I have no talent with a jacket off. If you put me in a jacket and suddenly on my I can't do anything with this jacket. I if I have a jacket on, the first thing I want to know is when do I get to take my jacket off? And I work in taking my jacket off because I cannot act in a jacket. And so I know that I was regularly talked about like well, it's supposed to be winner, and it was like lazy, I don't care. They would often do that then with Winnard. But do you remember ever doing that with summer, like meaning it's like we're gonna put you in shorts because it's obviously hot outside. No, not really like that never happened. No, I know, I don't remember any of these conversations about weather or setting. Like to me, it was always like we were just you walked into the little to the little wooden places behind the set where your clothes were hanging, and you put on your clothes and you walk out of the set like that was it. We're gonna talk about this. Yeah, it's a good time for the Well, yeah, I think so. I've already asked him. Oh you have asked him now? Well, yeah, how do you feel about changing your clothes? What? What? Do you have? Any issues with getting dressed? I can't stand it. I hate it. I hate really I hate. I hate trying on clothes. I hate shopping for clothes. I hate having to change my clothes. But it's having to change when you walk into a room and there's a bunch of different outfits that you have to put on to try stuff on your heart, yes, and to do it fast possible, get it out of the way, And it also has to immediately be hung up on a hangar because never onet of those to drop my foes on the floor that you just we were doing all this press stuff and you just because I look awful all the time, I'm not good with clothes. I just and never have been. You put me with your wonderful style, amazing stylist Mimi who was coming. I had COVID at the time, so I couldn't actually see her in person, but she would come to the house and she would drop off bags of clothes in the front of the house, and I would stare at the bags of clothes before I even opened the door because I was anxious. So, dear, dear listeners, this is a realization I have. About three weeks ago or a month ago, I was getting dressed, hating it as I always do, because when I am changing my clothes, my heart starts racing. I feel like I've got to get it done as fast as possible. And I was like, wait a minute, why do I feel this way? And I walked into the next room where my wife was working. I was like, Alex, do you do you ever get stressed out by changing? She's like, no, I have no idea what you're talking about. And I realized this is a holdover from when we were on the show. We would have to change while the entire audience was waiting between scenes, so the cameras would be moving from one set to the other, and we would have to run backstage because it's different days of course about the sea throughout the course of and you have to and they and there's time pressure because we have to get the episode done in time for the nine and a half hour limit that that kids can only work and the audience is only there for like three so there was so much pressure on us to get changed quickly and to put on those clothes in time for the next scene, so they wouldn't wait for us like that was always what was the fear, right, is that you'd be that, that you'd hold up all the production. And I just realized I've internalized this so much. So then I came and I asked you, Danielle, and you said, yes, I am the exact same way. Getting dressed is something that needs to be done very quickly. I still sometimes will if I have to, um, if I know the next day I have a time crunch, I'll figure out what I'm going to wear the night before and then put it in. Do do that? I do that? I do if there's thing I have to do, like with I'm gonna fly, My outfit that have to wear for the plane is laid out, the shoes are next, you know. But I do that with a lot of different things, like what about changing to a changing room in a department store and I can't stay, I won't go anywhere. No, I won't go anywhere. Now. I would rather buy stuff and and not fit and have to go back I just order everything online, and you said, hey, yeah, isn't that crazy. It's so crazy, and it's so crazy that I put it together it's all right, or mentioned it to me that he had it too. I never put it together. I just assumed it was because I am so type A that almost everything in my life has a very much like why can't we do this any faster? I'm a real fun person to be around, and you are so changing close. It's like, and yeah, I just realized, like I'm sure we're going to discover more of these kinds of things as we talk about this. But I I have such anxiety about changing well, and you don't. You had a hooded vest and a hooded shirt and a T shirt you had to take off and possibly change your jeans and then put on new three It's also everything's new, like all the close your iron and ironed and stiff, and there was nothing like, oh these are my old jeans that I warned forever. And I remember Ben Ben and I got yelled at the first season because we didn't hang up our clothes. So because we just would we would run into the change we'd rip off our whatever out and grab the next one. Off the hangers, and I remember the wardrobe department being like, no, no, no, no, we're not your mom's exactly. You're done with it. And so we also not only did we have to rush taking off our clothes, we had to then hang them up on hangars. So, I mean, the whole process is just it makes my heart wardrobe hate. I think it's part of the reason why I've never been I wish I was. I wish I had good style, like I wish I had a good fashion sense, but I think I I so stay away from it. I also feel like it hindered me ever knowing what my own style really is because people are dressing people were dressing me, and so I didn't know, this is your style. Yeah, here's my style this week, and I you know, now the only thing I know is like, oh, I'm self conscious about this part of my body. So I don't wear this, Like I don't wear cap sleeves. I'm built like a linebacker, and so I anything that is like cute and feminine up top, I put it on, and like, I do not like it. So like I know that I know the stuff that like I'm built like a linebacker, don't like to wear caps sleeves, but I otherwise as far as like, well, what kind of style do you like? I'm like, show me some things. I don't know. We didn't figure it out till my mid thirties though that Daniel very nicely was like, hey, we're gonna be doing all this list and I used this lady would you want her number? Like it's probably a good ideas. She's awesome, and again you just don't have to think about anything, but it is changing this and changing that, and then and then I was taking pictures of it, like to send to her to Nathans, and it was just like taking polaroids. When you get it was so like, alright, alright, we can we can move on. We're all I'm sweating, big breath, everybody, deep breath, and let's change your shirt. Let's get to this living room series. Okay, So well we should finish the scene, which is I walk outside, go ahead, take the test, because I figured out that it's going to resolve this whole problem exactly. They just they're gonna, if they're gonna make you take another one, take this one, honestly, and they'll see that your average. Yes, Okay, so we're in the living room and Jane Carr, who is playing Ms. Bertram from MENSA. She's so funny. She's talking to Alan and Amy in the living room while Corey is taking the i Q test right behind them, which doesn't seem like conducive to good test taking or whatever. Um. She asks Morgan a question to see if she also may be a genius since Corey's a genius, and Morgan answers, uh biggest laugh of the show for Indie, And it was actually pretty pretty funny and she nailed. I mean, obviously Indie doesn't understand. He just loved hearing the word booker a little girl's mouth and seeing that an upset an old lady was just hysteric. Both of you come up with your answer to what her analogy actually was. Flower what what what? Because she says Oak is to elm as Dave easy is to Flower. No, I would just name another Flower Roads, right, I would have said. That was the first thing I went through my head, was like, what would I have you did not pass the IQ, Thank you you can go. I was fascinated by the class positioning of the Matthews family in this scene. I've never thought about, you know, like where like how upper class or lower class, but there's this idea like she's the snob judging them and being a tradesman, remember, And it was so interesting. It felt very um uh Rosanne is you know, like like in the Night, I feel like nowadays, I don't, I don't know. It was just interesting to consider, like, all right, we don't. I guess they're middle class, but they're not, like he works in a grocery store. Like they're being judged basically. And I found that interesting that like the show was positioning the Matthews, you know, as opposed to like the Cosby Show, where they did have money and they just kind of never talked about it. They never think about who their neighbor is. Their neighbor is a public school teacher, so they very much are in a probably i'd say it wouldn't be lower middle class but middle class family. Pretty big house, yeah, yeah, I mean it's a it's a sitcom big house kind of thing. But again, that's your teacher is I remembers world. This drove me crazy, like the size of the apartment and you're just like, to live in New York there would be dollar a month apartment. Yeah, exactly. So it's interesting to me that that that that at this stage there was a consideration of class and positioning the Matthews in the sort of middle class, but like maybe lower middle class, like straight middle class, like just I think somewhere between lower middle class and middle classes. That's what I think. That's absolutely kids. It's hard to be lower middle class when you've got three kids. Yeah, but so Allan's he owns the grocery manager of the largest grocery store. I'm going to keep an eye on this because I'm curiously especially as we get it to the later seasons, like how because he ends up taking on the outdoor store their campings. I also don't remember. And we'll get into this. I'm sure we'll see it, and you know, there's gonna be moments where like, oh man, I completely forgot about that. But it's gonna be like do they talk about how many cars they have? They have one card? Did they share cars? There's that convertible that we all right, and we've got the grade sixty five Mustang coming up? Those credits. Why do we all remember shooting those credits so well? Because it was also because Ryder left halfway through and so some of the shots it's like he's supposed to be hidden behind the door when actually he's on a plane to like you know, macau or wherever the hell he's going going. I don't remember just going home, yeah, but you were like no, I'm leaving. We're halfway through this, okay. But we also just remember those days because they were special, you know, whenever we were doing something differently crumps or something like that stupid t J if hey, we should watch one of those. Can we get ahold of anywhere? I'm sure they can, all right, listeners, if you know how to get ahold of t G. I I think if you go there's an Instagram page that's like, yeah, where they have somebody's uploaded them too, because there's one I saw. I'm walking around the set with a video camera and I'm videotaping like interviews with you guys, and at one point I'm like behind, hey, Danielle, who's texting you? And you're like, none of your business will Like you've got this giant page er that's like this big you know that kind of thing. So you see those things like a lot of funny it's like who it wasn't even texting like who's who's beating you? So yeah, you get all that kind of stuff. Page your code was the best, um J. Carr was awesome, goes for the record. Corey hands the test in um ms Bertramp says it takes most students over an hour to take the test. She starts to grade the test and she says, wow, his like you is that of an average sixth grader, And then she seems like, you know, did you really think you were going to get away with it? Like everyone's in on it, everyone knows. Ms. Bertramp says that actually it's not that he cheated before, he's cheating this time. He's a real genius, but he's pretending to fail so he doesn't have to change. This was a clever moment because you said you're waiting for them to reveal you know, everything, so you're just waiting. So adding this little extra wrink I thought was clever. I thought so too. It's actually very cute. I didn't see it coming. So then Corey confesses to his parents he found the answers. They figured out, but they were waiting for him to fest up. Morgan walks in again with her zombie costume, on. Miss Bertram walks out annoyed and Corey does end up getting grounded, but they let it start the day after. My parents never did that. This is what you're grounded. You're grounded, you're missing the school dance. I was grounded once right before school dance. What you do? Do you remember? I was smoking? I started smoking at How can you smoke at such a young age? That is horrified smoker? By like twelve? I don't remember that. I remember actually remember. Yeah, we might have smoked together a couple of times back in the day. I thought you were older than I thought you were, like I was like fifteen, fifteen, somewhere between fifteen and sixteen. Well did you give her a cigarette? No? We were you know, you break you? How are you? It's the problem, It's it's time. Martini homes Total told me that teacher exactly. Well, my mom, my mom had said, so, my mom is very you know, my parents were very involved, and they were my mom. Nothing got past my mom. And smoking is smelly, really really smelly gloves. I mean, I learned eventually, but at first I was just probably thinking, well, it's been hours, how on earth could I possibly smell? My mom? Suspected. She talked to David Combs and she said, I want you to watch her like a hawk. And David then saw me smoking and called my mom and my mom I got home that day and from work, and my mom said, hey, how you know, how is your day? And I said my day is fine. She goes, Okay, dump your purse out, and I said, huh, because he had dump your pers out right here on the counter. And I was like okay. And in my head I thought so smart that I put him in my car, or they weren't in my car, they were I must have I hid them somewhere souse. I wasn't driving yet, but they were hidden, and I thought, great, this I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and go along with this, and it's not gonna be in there. There was loose tobacco at the bottom of my purse and she's yeah, and so I dumped my purse act and I know you're smoking, and I was like, well, I wouldn't say I'm smoking. Yes, I've had I have smoked, but I am not smoking like I'm not addicted. I'm not continuing to do it. And it was, you know, terrible, and I was in so much trouble and I was grounded starting that that moment. And so what it meant was that I could wake up in the morning, go to work, and then I had to come immediately home. And my I had a phone in my room and a TV in my room and my big CD player, you know, my six disc CD player, and everything got ripped out of my room. So no TV in my room, no phone in my room, no CD player in my room. I was allowed to study, read and go to work and that was it. And I was our vice versa at Calabasas High School or um. Yeah, my vice versa dance was coming up and I had a boyfriend and we were supposed to go. And my mom was a real stickler about grounding as you should be, especially with something as terrible for you was smoking. I wish it had um, I wish I had listened. Uh. I never got grounded as a kid. That was not like I got ground occation and nothing would. Like when you get grounded, man, it makes you want to have a smoke. I'm gonna be honest with you. It's like smoke. Like sitting there grounded, you're thirteen, and you're like, oh, I need a smooth one right now. It's true, but it's terrible. Oh my gosh. You did not get grounded, but you also had a lot of freedom, so much freedom. Yeah, it's kind of unusual in retrospect, but yeah, but I got in. I got sent to my room when I was little. Definitely did that. But then, you know, I also wasn't that much of a trouble I was. I think my parents kind of knew that, Like I was an okay kid, you know, Um, the first time I smoked pot, I came clean to them because it was an awful experience and I was very young, and then I was like, yeah, I was like, I'm not drinking, I'm not smoking, I'm not doing any drugs. And I was like that until I was about seven, sixteen or seventeen. Is the first time I ever tried alcohol, And like, yeah, I was saying, I didn't start drinking until I was like so when we were on the show, I was like super clean cut. I was like Mr. Straight edge. Yeah yeah, and so I think my parents just let me. Yeah that the start you were Yeah, I was many seasons in but anyway, Okay, that's why I got in trouble and got grounded. Um, so I thought I thought that was really I'm not sure why they did it, to be honest, Why would they let him start the day after Halloween because so we can have that final scene. It is kind of weird, But so there's a Michael Jacobs when we were then doing very Quickly, we were then doing Girl Meets World. Michael and I got into an argument on the set about my script because, um, the script that I had originally written, Um, Riley gets caught lying and I had repercussions for getting caught lying where she got ground And he's like, now cut all that out, and like, well, don't you want coin to pay it to at least vocalize in some way shape or formed that she shouldn't be lying. And he's like, no, it's not necessary. And we literally got in a fight to the point where we he brought in the ABC executive and he's like, he wants it to be where we're actually grounding the kid afterwards, and I don't think it's necessary, and I know you're gonna like side with me, and he pulled it out of the script. So the idea of being grounded like I had that in there like no, you got caught lying, you got caught with a big lie. There's repercussions to that, and Michael specifically went out of his way to make sure that wasn't in the script. So I don't know what that is with the kind of letting the kid slide, But it was in this episode two where it's like, we're gonna we're gonna take some stuff away from you, but not the really fun There's a really fun day coming up, but you did a really bad thing, so have that fun and then and then when nothing's going on, will ground you? Is it just to keep it? I mean, I mean, I really do think it was just the legist I mean that last scene. But I also wondered, based on what you're saying, well, like, is there something too uh having to not have a downer of an ending for kids watching the show? Maybe like that that you get in trouble and you you pay the consequences, but you also can still be a kid and like, you know, like quite possibly making your audience feel shame. It's like, probably not the best way to end an episode. But at the same time, there's also that this episode, along with I mean more than any episode we've seen so far is about consequence. Yes, so, I mean there's the idea that it's like, you're you did this, now this is going to happen to you, but you can still go on the roller coaster is a bit like, oh okay, yeah, it kind of bumped me, but but you're right right. The logical, actual technicality thing for this episode is when we need to have a scene with Halloween costumes to end the show. So, um, Mr Finie, we're in Mr Finie's classroo Corey walks up to Foenie's desk with his clown knows uh. He said he thought he had to be a genius in order to earn Mr Feenie's respect, and Phoenie says that all his students have to do to earn his respect is try their hardest, lovely, lovely life lesson. And then we're back in the living room. Morgan answers the door for trigger treaters. She gives them each one piece of candy and then gives two for herself. Cute. I thought it's very cute. Mr Feenie walks up behind them with rulers and asks Morgan if he can have some of the Matthews candy because his ruler treats are not going over very well. That's so funny. So this is actually I really liked this this beat with Phoenie because it's one of the few times where Poenie makes a big mistake and like you get to see Bill rattled, do you know what I mean? Like that never happened on our show. I mean, or maybe I don't remember it that much. So this is a great comedic moment for Bill to play that sort of like I don't know, just he's not in charge, he's not completely confident, he's not completely cool. I loved this scene. But what does he normally give out on Halloween? This isn't his first Halloween normally giving out and and normally those go over well, I don't know either. Yeah, but it's also so there's something really interesting about the the balance between Mr Finie knowing kids so well in the classroom and knowing them not at all out of the classroom. Yeah, there's something kind of cool about that where it's like I know exactly how to handle kids in that one room. Well, I also think outside of it, I don't. I think it's great that we see that We're getting to see Mr Feinie the person versus Mr Feinie the teacher. The more we have these moments, because up until this point, all of the moments of Foenie in the backyard are still well, let me address your teacher. Hi, George, I have a question help me with My son failed the test. He's still playing the teacher role as opposed to this is a peer to peer, neighbored and neighbor. I need to borrow from borrowing a cup of sugar from my neighbor. Is that why you think is would that be the rationale then for having him literally walk around to the front of the house instead of just over there, instead of just well, I mean again, it's like you just walk out and you're right there, walked around the front of the hut. There is no gate of the fence, is there? They hopped over the Interesting, Yeah, I think they have actually add one. Yeah, and I don't think kids. Yeah, we would have needed to change the location then of the scene because kids are not coming in through the backyard, right yeah, yeah, very yeah. Interesting. And so what I remember about this filming this too is so that's actually Ben's voice, right, So while that is Dustin or Dusty. We found Dusty playing the part of the masked kid, mask kid. He did say those lines behind the mask, but then they had been record them, sure, so it could seem more obvious. I think that, well, that's the joke, is that it's supposed to be cool doing a voice, and that's what was exactly. It was actually very confusing to me because there was you are completely cut out of the shot for some reason. We see that three children walk up in Halloween costumes, you as Frankenstein, Corey, and then Dusty with the mask, and yeah, you get framed out of it for I don't know why, and I was confused as to who was talking. I was like, who is talking with these masks? Is it? Is it the character that's cut off? So to me it didn't land because it's also it sounds the way it was shot though, it was a little strange. It was a little strange. I'm not quite sure what was going on, or maybe there was maybe there were lines cut out of it. Maybe you did have stuff to say and it was too hard to show who was talking. I remember it being a scramble. I think maybe we were late. Last thing. I think we were really pressed for time, and I think it was like they grabbed Dusty and it was like last minute he got a speaking role, and then after he left they recorded Ben doing it. So it was like Dusty said the lines but then was taken out. His voice was taken out to yeah, James, James. Um, okay, that makes sense. So Phoene thinks it's Corey. He lifts up the kid's mask, revealing it is not Corey. Phoene walks away to go get d from Amy in the kitchen and Sewan and Corey are next to each other. They pull up their masks and we reveal there they are. After all, this is a cute episode. It was. It was a very cute episode. I think we're starting if there. The show is starting to find itself and we're slowly starting to find ourselves. Yeah, and I think it's this is the first real episode where I noticed that where it's like, oh, okay, Corey and Shawn are a thing, right, I don't look like I just found my lines, you know, five seconds before, um, we're getting there. I want to see more Topanga yet, I want to see more to Pango. I made an impact on Indie, did I? Yeah. I mean that's what I'm telling you. I think the show is working exactly as it's great. Yeah. Interesting. Alright, Well, our next episode is season one, episode seven. Grandma was a rolling stone, my first kiss, my first screen Russell, very Russell, just kiss. Yeah. Wow, this is this is what we got a lot to unpack in this next episode because I asked specifically for this episode, but not for the carry Russell thing, but to work with Bill. So this was the first time you see Eric and Feenie together again, and I specifically went to Michael and asked, is this a pizza scene. Yes, you're holding the pizza. I remember that run through. I remember this run through because it was like we all lost it and we could see I remember the whole we were just like, oh it works, the Phoenie. It was so good, and you holding a piece of pizza and you did it for the run through the eldest place of pizza, and it was just so funny the way you were like. I just remember vividly sitting there with the whole crew and being like, oh, this is a whole new thing for the show. It was fun and the amazing Rue McClanahan. Grandma, well, I can't wait to see it. I don't think I'm in it, so I don't have any memory of it at all. This is a great episode because if it's blah blah blah my line, unless you're wearing a jacket, that it's blah blah blah. Where I do with my hands? J oh, where else you're gonna keep your smokes? Oh my gosh. All right, So I'm really looking forward to that one. Uh. This was a wonderful episode, and um yeah. You can follow us on Instagram at Pod Meets World Show. 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