Pod Meets WorldTHE TIME HAS COME, PEOPLE. Cory, Shawn, Topanga and Angela are hitting the slopes, and Cory’s sprained ankle introduces one of the most controversial characters in BMW history: Lauren - played by the always outstanding Linda Cardellini.
But was it Cory’s fault? Did he do anything wrong? Do the rules change once you’re married? The gang dives deep into ethics and monogamy and their varied takes might just surprise you…
Plus, it’s William Russ’s first time directing, and boy, did they hand him a big one. Come recap every anger inducing detail, from one of the series’ most memorable storylines, on a highly anticipated Pod Meets World!
Okay, So I had a little bit of a situation last night. What do you mean that I wanted to talk to you about? And good, it's a real sock shoe sock shoe scenario, so I needed to discuss this.
With you, important, life threatening.
Exactly.
So you know, it's hot here in California. It's like one hundred and ninety six degrees. It's awful and it kind of zaps like you're your everything, You have no energy, you're not hungry, you don't want to do it.
So last night, Sue and I'm not hungry at all, so we just looked at each other. It's like, let's just make We'll make peanut butter and jelly at like eight o'clock at night. It's not a problem.
So halfway through my sandwich construct, I hear my beautiful wife say, huh interesting, And I went, what's interesting?
Like peanut butter on one slice, jelly on the other. Do you put them together? No?
I go, like a human jelly on one piece of bread, peanut butter on the other, and you put it together and make a sandwich.
That's what I just said, right, No, But.
She is like, no, peanut butter and jelly both go on one side of the bread, and then you put the dry second piece of bread on top. And I went, that's inaccurate. You're a psychopath, And I said, and she went, I think you'd be surprised how many people do peanut butter and jelly on the same side and then put the dry piece of bread on top. And I said, oh, contraire, I think you'd be surprised at.
How in the minority you are.
And I just wanted to come to my two best friends for some validation that I am in fact correct in this situation.
I honestly have no idea how I make it. I don't love peanut butt, butter and jelly. I don't right, it doesn't do it, Okay, So I definitely have made peanut butter and jellies, especially for Indie, but I cannot remember what I do.
There is no chance you put the jelly on top of the peanut butter, thank you. There's just no chance that I know two people that do that. Thank you.
It's put the jelly first. That would never work, right, because then you would be putting peanut butter on it would ever works.
Also, one of the reasons why it doesn't really work to put the jelly on top of the peanut butter. You can't get a proper ratio, thank you, or evenly spread.
She said, oh, I'll bet you it'll be close to fifty to fifty and I went, oh my god, it's going to be ninety ten if that. And I just wanted to make sure I was in fact that that's it. I just I needed some sort of olt. It was so she was so sure that it was like, oh no, And I said, okay, babe. When we did Sock Shoe Socks Show, I knew I was going to be in the minority. I knew I was going to be one of the few people that does Sockshoe Sock Show. You are so confident that it's peanut butter and jelly on the other on one.
Piece of bread, And understand why you need a blank piece of bread? If you have two pieces of bread and two ingredients, why keep one blank?
I exactly what I said. I said, you've got two canvases in front of you. Why are you only painting on one?
Are you going to make her listen to this episode?
She doesn't even know I do a podcast.
I was gonna say so besides Jensen, husband of us. All our spouses do not listen to our podcast.
Correct, No, actually, Sue, she likes the pre show chatter and then she bows out yeah, and then she bows out.
Well, we will forward her the emails we get. Please send us your emails. I don't want to know. If you are normal and you do peanut butter on one piece of jelly on the other, don't write me if you do them on the same side. Yeah, the one person. That's an email. You only want to hear from those people. And and and if you could also answer, why are you leaving a canvas blank?
What?
What?
What is the thought process? I'm open to hearing. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm not, but thank you for hearing.
Exactly what I said.
I was like, Babe, I could be wrong. I'm one hundred percent not, but I could be.
What about people that use wheat bread for peanut butter and jolly?
I grew up an exclusive wheat bread family. I didn't even know there was bread.
I don't I never understood why people like sandwiches. Then you ask some whitebread, You're.
Like, oh, oh, this is a good candy.
Is so exactly now a fluffer nutter needs to be on white bread.
Oh okay, fluffer nutter needs to be on white bread.
So that and again, yeah, we're not getting into We won't get into creamy versus chunky.
That's a personal thing.
I get it.
It's just how the sandwich is constructed.
I never My mom made grilled cheese sandwiches with whole week bread, margarine, and cheddar cheese, and they were awful.
Yeah that sounds I remember.
Going over to a friend's house and made you know, white bread with cheese, yes mayonnaise, and it was delicious, and I was like, grilled cheeses are the best. So then my mom started making me her I'm like, no.
No, why why don't you love me?
What's going on?
Welcome to Pod Meets World. I'm Daniel Fischel.
I'm right or strong, and I'm one hundred percent right. I'm will for doubt.
Thank you for joining us for today's recap episode. It is season five, episode fourteen, Heartbreak Corey. It originally aired February sixth, nineteen ninety eight. The synopsis while on their senior class ski trip, Corey sprains his ankle and meets another woman. It was directed by William Russ his first episode. It was written by Laura Olsen and Patty Carr, who are two women we have talked about quite a bit on this podcast, and remember very fondly before I jump into our spectacular guest cast, do you guys want to talk about your overall thoughts.
I mean, this is a hugely famous episode, massive. Yeah, I didn't really remember that much about it. I didn't either, And then I I actually directed an episode of Girl Meets World where they recreated this set.
Yes, So then I.
Started having all these memories of making Girl Meets World and using all these different areas of the set. So I remember this set more than anything.
Wait, did they actually like they they went to the same ski lodge in Girl Mates World?
Yeah, and so, and the whole episode took place there, and we had it was like a play. There was like eight different storylines and everybody, and so it was like we're in the bay window for a whole you know. It was like everything took place in the basically the main state, the main lodge set, and so we had to create all and we had to bring in the wall the same way that they did to see the moon rise. You know, there's that like exterior shot that was like outside the window. They brought that in. So I was like sitting there going, oh yeah. So I was totally looking at this as a director, I was not you know, I don't remember being in the scenes. I don't remember anything. But yeah, I thought it was fine. I thought it was fun. It was a good episode. Yeah.
I had an interesting week because I got to watch this completely as a fan.
Yeah, because obviously I never set foot in the set. I'm not in it. I knew nothing about it.
And I had kind of an epiphany watching this show of like, I it was great when I just got to it. I put this on like this was a mash, this was a Cheers, this was a friends. Because I had nothing to do with this, so I just got to watch this as a fan and it was awesome. You guys were all fantastic. The direction was good, the set looked good. There's time Sue and I were yelling at the screen. We paused to have a fight about who's not fight, but like a discussion of who was at fault. It was I mean, it was like, did what television was supposed to do? I had twenty two minutes of solid fun.
It was awesome.
I really liked the episode too. It's definitely lacking in a little bit of comedy. It could have. It could have used some will Fredell could have everything can Baby. I know it would have been probably, but it was definitely for shows where there's real, really no b storyline, it's just kind of one story about one thing. I never felt like we were in any of the sets too like, in any of the scenes too long. I felt like it moved really well. I thought I thought it was I thought it was well acted. I thought it was grounded. I thought Ben was incredible, great, gosh, so good. I mean, Linda Cardelini unbelievable. It was so good.
So as a person as the character, I've got some things to say as Lauren.
Course, uh huh, she swooped right while, we'll get into it, but she just I mean, brazen, no shame, no shame in her game. H Yeah. Well, uh, let's jump into it. Our guest star Linda Cardellini as Lauren here. She is one of the most talked about characters in the history of Boy Meets World and one of the best actresses we got to work with. Cardolini started her career as a fellow child actor on shows like Third Rock from the Sun and step by Step, and appearing in movies like Good Burger and Dead Man on Campus. But it was her time as Lindsay Weir on the Star making cult classic TV show Freaks and Geeks. That was her breakout moment. Since then, you have seen her in Legally Blonde, as Velma, in the Scooby Doo movies, Oscar winning films like Broke Mac Mountain and Green Book, non Oscar winning movies like Grandma's Boy and Daddy's Home, and as the star of Netflix Is Dead to Me alongside Christina Applegate. I loved that show.
Yeah. By the way, excuse me, Hi, she's also married to Hawkeye.
Well, I was just gonna say. She's also in the Marvel universe, appearing in Avengers Endgame and Hawkeye. And so who is she married to? Who's Hawkeye? I mean in Hawawk Guy, the character is I don't know who plays Hawkeye.
Oh, Hawkeye is Karremy Renner. Yeah, Jimmy Renner. Jimmy RENNERID no, no, in the in the in the the movies.
Movies, they're married. She's Hawkeyes. She's Hawkeye's wife in the movies. You don't know that Hawkeye's married. And then as the as the Avengers are trying to escape Evil, they show up at Hawkeye's house and she opens the door like hey han and they're like, well you're married, and he's got like a wife and kids.
It was a cool, little, fun little storyline.
And so Linda.
Carlini is married. Aye. Oh wow.
Not Jeremy Renner.
I was on Mad Men.
Never seen mad in my last I've only seen like a couple episodes. I need to That's that's what I'll watch. Yeah. Uh, she has truly never stopped working. And this is the first of four Boy Meets World episodes she is listed as appearing in.
She did four episodes. I thought I was wondering when I was like, was this it?
Like? Did?
I was like, she must come back? Yeah, working with them.
I'm not sure how we get to four. I thought there was one more. I thought there were two.
But yeah, but maybe she gets crash.
It's going to be that might be what it is. Maybe there's flashbacks. All right, So let's jump into our recap. We start in John Adams Hi. We get a rare exterior zoom in on the front door, and uh. The senior hallway is crowded with kids in winter clothes holding luggage, and Feenie, who is absolutely exhibiting true drip with his old weather outfit, makes an announcement, remember, even though this ski trip is about having fun, we live in a land of laws which must be obeyed. He looks at Corey and Sean directly. I'll be watching you too. I haven't really, we haven't really seen Corey and Sean as like the trouble maker schemer kids in a while, so I liked that. It was a nice little callback to remind you of kind of who they are.
Yep, and just immediately busting out like the plans for the ski lodge.
Yeah, exactly, very season one.
Like I thought when you pulled out the pen, you were actually gonna pull out an extendable.
That that's what you're doing, Like, and we're gonna go here, We're gonna go there.
That's so funny. An unaffected Corey says it's his and Shawn's first romantic weekend away with the girls, and the school's picking up the tab. We see to Pinga and Angela nearby, flirtatiously waving. Sean leads a paper out on the table. It's the blueprints of the ski lodge they are staying at, and it's time to get the land down. Sean points out their room, the girls room, and Phoene's room in between them.
I mean, this is quite an amazing public school. Oh yeah, they're able to go on a school field trip to go skiing where they bust you to some mountain lodge and you all get to stay in a lot. Like that's amazing. That's like private school school stuff.
That lodge. She's got a whole school staying there.
How many levels of the tower are invited to the school to the ski lodge.
I think it's right, just a senior fifteen trip.
Yeah, it's maybe it's even like you could see the only Yeah, it could be teachers.
No, yeah, yeah, it's got to be like I mean, I actually did uh snowboarding as my PE requirement in college.
Yeah, and we did bowling.
Yeah, okay, that's good. But maybe it's a pe.
Well, I mean, like we went hiking, like we had a an outdoor club in high school and a public high school, and there was fifteen or twenty of us went and hiked Mount Washington and we camp tonight and like, so we did stuff like that, but it was never more than fifteen or twenty of us.
I would imagine, yeah, say ski club, Okay, ski club. I mean they definitely make it seem like this is the senior trip, which you know is typically thought of as being a trip for all the seniors, not just the fifteen or twenty in a club. But I like your thinking that it would help explain a little bit of what we're doing.
I wish there was a few more jokes about the fact that Phoene teaches this class, like thanks a little bit, more like a little bit. He's the ski instructor, he teaches snowboarding, you take scuba, bungee jumping, you know whatever.
Soe Sean states, at precisely two am, you will sneak from our room to Phoene's door to check for snoring. Corey esques rhythmic are intermittent, A furious Sean yell's rhythmic. I told you rhythmic. Am I alone in this? Then I proceed to sneak over to the girls room and I tell Angela that you're dreaming and calling out her name, and guys, guess what we get here? An insert shot of the map.
Frosty with an insert coming through.
So we asked here it is our first one of what seems like ages. We get the fingers moving on the blueprints. According to their plan, Angela will then walk back to the boys room to be with Sean, and Corey will stay with Tapanga. He'll be keeping Topanga occupied until Angela returns. Sean smirks. Many hours later, Corey wonders if they should tell the girls about their top secret plans, but Sean calls Corey naive for even suggesting a thing. The women want to come to our room. They just need some lame excuse, and we are just the guys to give it to them. Corey excitedly blurts out, I love skiing. Topega and Angela are still watching the boys from afar to Pega asks you know what they're planning, don't you. Angela says, yeah, the midnight switch. You gotta love the effort this dude to Pega and Angela know about this? Is this the thing they've read about in their book?
I was like, what's a midbeight switch? Like the typical? But I also was like, why are you guys crouching down it's the only crouching tiger this I have of directed for this entire episode. I was like, why are they just kind of like hanging out of the bottom of the on the ground. It makes no sense? And then you like stand up a little bit later, I'm like, why did they Whats going on?
Well, you know, one of the reasons why Trina was sitting a lot and she's covering her stomach is she's clearly pregnant in this episode.
Clearly pregnant in this episode.
Wonder if you know, when she's sitting on the couch later she's got a pillow over and then when she stands up you can see the baby bump.
I mean, it's like she is clearly.
Very pregnant in this episode because she was really pregnant during the Scream episode.
So this is.
Yes, I don't know if that had something to do with it. Maybe I don't know, hmm.
Maybe that is. Maybe that does have something The crouching. Don't crouching in this hallway scene for no reason.
It's like you're like loading bags or something, but then like start crouching. It's like, what's happened?
Why are they there?
Gosh? Okay, And yeah, when the minute she said the midnight switch, and I was like, the ladies are just all knowing. But like, as a teens, I remember thinking, how are there no books for me to go to to read about what I'm supposed to anticipate next? Like, and yet they seem to have a book that very much explains what the midnight switches? Yep uh so Topanga even notices diagrams. Angela says the humane thing to do would be to tell them they don't have a prayer. Topanga agrees, but the fun thing to do is and then she gives another cutesy wave and the boys wave back, saying in Unison, we love you. She melodically replies, never gonna.
Happen, which Angela does not. I noticed that too, Why because we say our thing in Unison, And yet I think it's pretty additional that Angela doesn't doesn't.
Yeah, I think you're right. I think it was not. They were not gonna they were not gonna have it be that all ladies have a virginity promise.
Right, although although by the Scream episode, Sean is still a virgin yes, because he says, I'll get the sickest I can get without actually dying, so they're hooking up, but no sex.
Yeah we know the details, of course, a chart of everybody who do you want to know? As opportunity this day, it's my backstory in Boston.
And then Phoenie's back. The bus is here. He reminds them he doesn't want another incident like last year's fiasco in the Amish Country, and then Corey wonders why the entire class is looking at him. To Pango, Waltz is up to Corey, someone's planning a romantic weekend. Huh, it's a weekend without their parents. So Corey admits he's thought about it. She smiles, she's thinking about it too. But to Panga breaks it to him, it may be more romantic if you talk to me about our plans instead of Sean. Corey agrees and breaks it down. We'll start by tipping the guy so he stops the ski lift at around sunset, and then there's no one around to keep you warm, except so.
Annoying for everybody else on the ski lift. But we're all just gonna We're gonna force the ski lift to stop, so we have a few other people in line, like trying to go down the mountain. We tip this guy make.
And everyone's totally fine with it. Nobody starts pitching a fit. Nobody knows nothing.
Nobody's cold. There's aren't kids crying.
It's all, well, there are people who are cold. It's me and he's gonna keep me warm by kissing me a big plan. Seductively reveal I get so cold, Yeah, he asks, and what do you do? Topanga kisses him and then asks the same question. I put you in front of the fireplace, and we do some of this, and drink some hot chocolate and do some of this. Topanga is relieved. They like all of this same things. Corey wants to never get up from the couch, but to Pega wonders when they'll ski. Cory assures her they'll have plenty of time to ski, considering they're going to be together for the rest of their lives. Dundondom, Yeah, foreshadowing, and then we get an optical flip. We're at the ski lodge, most likely the home to some very hot snow bunnies. We already know how hot skiing.
I wondered where this exterior was, like this stock footage of I was, like, I said, fail, where is.
This that's sex Mountain, sex Mountain. Yeah, everybody knows.
That teenage sex Mountain.
Teenage teenage sex Mountain.
To Pega, Sean and the gang are carrying Corey through the front door. He's whining about something being broken in seven places and begging for fifty CC's of Saint Joseph's chewable aspirin stat This opening is perfect. I love that you don't see any other aspect of the ski trip from the time they're at school, except for that Corey has already broken something, and the fact that we just jump right into it, like right off the bat. Let's not waste any time setting the ski lodge. No, no, I love it. I love openings like this. So Phoenie and a pretty young hotel worker watch on. Worried, she says, boy, those slopes can be treacherous. Phoeni corrects her, he fell getting off the bus. She jokingly changes her tune. Those buses are treacherous. The lodge clerk leans down and gently touches Corey's ankle. I don't think anything's broken. It's probably just a mild sprain. This is quite some doctoring that.
By the way, if you've sprained your ankle. You don't like.
It's bad for yeah, it can be. Yeah, I mean like the.
Idea that he's like magically okay the next day.
Right, that's Corey, so he's a bit of a hypochondriac, I would imagine.
Yeah, I think Also, is it a sprain. I didn't never see anybody look at it. I think a bruise.
Doctor snow bunny. Doctor snow bunny gave it a look.
Didn't even lift up the gene or down the pot take off.
So you don't need an MRIs.
Sit here and.
Exactly, oh my gosh. Corey begs her to embellish it for his friends. She smiles, I'll have the doctor come andmbellish it for you. My guess is you'll live. But she won't ski. Sorry. Corey sighs, well, there goes our senior ski weekend. To Panga tries to be optimistic. They can sit inside while everyone else is playing in the snow and having fun, lots of fun. Corey lobs the idea that she can go ski and at lightning speed to Banga quickly thinks him and runs off. Corey is defeated. Sean would never leave him, and then right on cue Sean passes by holding a snowboard. He aggressively jerks Corey's post.
Coy.
So it is so fun, very funny. Two other boys who can't speak or they'll be forced to join the sag minimum rates stop and stare at Corey. He explains it's a ski injury. He hit a little ice patch on Devil's Run, and then the hotel worker reappears. Devil's Run is actually closed this weekend, Corey continues, Then what I did was insane. The girl finds him endearing. How about some hot chocolate insane person? Corey would love to, but he can't get up, no problem, she explains, it's part of her job. Corey assumes it must be a great place to work, but she says during the day everyone's out on the hill, so it gets pretty quiet, which is a very minor complaint. Yeah about your job, Well, yeah, it's really good except during the day I have to do my job, and so otherwise it's perfect. But I don't know if you know this, but I have to do it to do it, and while other people aren't doing it.
Yeah, but it's really not that bad because it's quiet and there's a fire and I'm just by myself, and it's like, oh, it doesn't seem like the worst job ever, Alerty Mcflergerson who starts right away, like right away, and they and you walk in with Tipang, like Corey and Topanga walk in together, there's no oh wait, you have a girlfriend.
It's like, you know, right off the bat, right.
That snow Bunny knows that Corey and to Pang are in a relationship and she's thirty right away.
But is that any different than like Boy meets World logic, It is always that, like you fall in love the second you see somebody, I mean a lot of time. Like she's like, I love Corey from the moment he walks in, and then that's it. Like there's no you don't question that. I mean that happens every time and Boy meets.
It is it was fast?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean she does. She does say pretty much right off the bat, I've been stuck with worse, Like she's already you know, she's definitely making it clear she's at least attracted to him.
Yeah, she's interested right off the bat and wants him to know that, as Tapanga has just gotten up off the couch.
Yeah, crazy, really anti Lauren? Can I can feel it.
I'm not anti Lauren. I'm not anti Lauren at all.
To be honest, there's times and I think we see this this plays out in a couple episodes down the line. I could be wrong, but there's times I thought Lauren and Corey seem like they were a pretty great damn.
Couple actually listened to each other. I'm not nagging one another, I'm engaging. I was like, no, this is.
Not anti at all, not anti anti.
I don't think she's doing anything wrong. She's literally just like alling in love with a guy which is.
Clearly in a relationship already, but she's jumping in. This is where this versue and I were talking.
She's she's going she's seeing a.
Guy who clearly is in a long term relationship with a girl instantly flirting with him even in front of her, and then the second she walks out, jumps in and tries to kind of take her place. So there, it's like, you say, she doesn't do anything wrong. I disagree entirely. I think that's very wrong.
I would say that the only thing that she does wrong is she kisses him like that to me is like a boundary crossing right like that.
So you you would say, you would say to Corey, Corey and Lauren aren't doing anything wrong, staying up all night talking getting to know each other the way they're getting.
To do anything wrong? No, I think Corey, we should probably.
Go to bed, right like that's oh should of course Corey should take himself.
That's the one in the relationship.
But for her, she knows that he's in a relationship.
Okay, but it's not her fault that she's If you like somebody, right, if you're attracted to somebody and you find out they're in a relationship, that's not going to turn off your attraction.
But it should stop you from openly flirting and trying to take your girlfriend or boyfriend's place.
That's respecting somebody else's relationship.
I guess it's just I guess that's why they have to keep creating circumstances where they're stuck together. Right, So it excuses both of them, I mean.
Right, but they're not together. They're stuck together because they want to be together. Corey can leave, she can leave at any time. She goes behind the desk, he goes back to his room. They've decided they've both made a conscious choice to stay there and get to know each other. Well, he's emotionally cheating on Tapanga at one point, and she is intruding on somebody else's relationship.
I think the difference is that one has like your will is arguing that a little bit that she has a responsibility not to pursue her attraction. I don't know if I use that word has a responsibility. He has a responsibility, is a responsibility respect So then there's like a bit of it like, well she's not she doesn't have to, so it's not a responsibility correct at all.
So it's icky and wrang. Yeah, but it's a responsibility.
But I also think that the part of the complication of the episode is that they do like each other. You get a lot I'm discovering that. I think for Corey to be is kind of like a breath of fresh air, like because his relationship is mostly criticizing each other, like you know or yeah, or being told that he's his desires for her are never going to happen like I happen to La.
It started.
But I think that if you know, especially when you're young, when you're a teenager, like, being in a relationship doesn't necessarily mean you're married. You're not, you know, I mean.
It doesn't, but that is that is.
Like the crazy logic mets world In real life, if you go to a ski lodge and you meet somebody else, and you've been dating somebody for a couple of months, and you're when you're seventeen, when you're seventeen, the idea of like, wait, I might actually like this person. Maybe I need to get out of my relationship now because this person makes me happier. That's totally fine to make that realization, Oh, agree to. It's when she kisses him and he lies about it that you're like, oh, yeah, now you're definitely crossing you.
Know, until they kissed, you don't think any lines are crossed on her end?
No, not in interesting No, I think I think he should have gone to bed, right, Like idea that he's like, oh, I'm going to stay up because I want to keep talking. But even that is still kind of innocent, because he does just want to talk to her. They just want to do puzzles, So it is, you know, it's not like I'm going to stay up hoping to make out with this girl. He's like, I'm going to stay up to hang out with somebody who's really cool.
So you think a line is only crossed when something physical happens, there's no emotional.
Well you're talking about you're talking about only for her.
Yeah, well I'm actually talking about well, yeah, because Corey clearly, yeah, he should have gone to bed.
We're all agree.
Absolutely, But for her, you're saying, until she kisses him, she hasn't crossed any line even though she knows he's in a relationship at that age.
Yeah, I think if you were like married, like if I was, you know, if I'm married and I go on ski Lodge and I like literally, but like, no, when you're seventeen and you're like meeting people and figuring out what you who you are, and who you like, I don't think that's necessarily an lines crossed, you know, like until.
Yeah, I don't agree, but I respect your your opinion. Yeah, I think there.
I think especially they went out of their way to show that Lauren knows Corey's in a long term relationship. Yeah, Like they've specifically went out of their way to show Corey into paying it together. When Lauren comes in and Lauren essentially was like, don't care, still going.
To do this?
And to me, that's like, it's not she doesn't, like I said, not her responsibility to make sure Corey is faithful to his girlfriend. But there's an ickiness factor of like, oh, you're just going after some other woman's guy, and it's just kind of like h So, yeah, Like I had friends that were like that, like I don't care if she's in a relationship, but hey, there's no ring on her finger, man, and it's just kind of like ew.
So yeah, that's always how I was with that.
I agree that that is mostly ew. I agree also with writer that this age totally changes everything. And also I think what my pushback because I would normally will I'd be right there with you, but like, so much more of the responsibility, so much more is on this Cory. I get it that at a certain point, spending any time talking about well, where did she cross a morality line is a little like it doesn't matter because once he did it, it did like done, and he is the one who has the responsibility to his partner to hold what he's promised.
He has the responsibility. She's just a little icky, That's.
How I look exactly exactly agreed. Yeah, not cool, not the.
Most respectful thing, you know, but no, this is all I'm not trying to put it on her.
This is all.
This is Corey's fault. Yes, And at the same time.
I really liked Corey and Lauren and she was so great and they wrote her so well that you are kind of like, this might be better for everyone involved.
And we've talked about just chemistry. Yes, they have the two.
That he so and we'll get into their specifics, specific parts of this, but Ben as an actor and Corey as a person in this episode seemed like an adult.
Oh my gosh, I know you're right.
And so it was with Lauren. He was adult Corey and he was like, yeah.
Because he's allowed to be smarter and wittier, and like all the Corey isms are played for positive like qualities, you know, like she likes him, whereas whenever Corey is being most Corey, it's annoying to Panga, you know. And so and that of course is kind of works because it's like they're in you know, you want conflict to create any scene. So because they're this ongoing relationship, they've created this dynamic where like he's such a guy and she's such a woman and like, and they've fallen back on those tropes, whereas with Lauren they don't have to, because you know, the conflict is that they actually do get along.
It's just an interesting relationship.
Yeah it's yeah, it was yeah. Okay, So we are back to that ski lodge scene where he said he would get up but she complained about her job. Corey concludes, I guess today you're stuck with me. She says she's been stuck with worse and hands him the cup of hot chocolate. She wonders if he plays backgammon, and Corey proudly responds, my middle name is Backgammon. I thought we could have used the punch there. Yeah, there maybe could have been something funnier than my middle name is joke. Anyway, one little is a won't urt any one. Then she asks what his first name is, and Corey introduces himself. She tells him her name is Lauren, and they give each other a polite handshake and soft smiles before starting one of the most infamous storylines in boy meets World history.
Oh you know what would have been great right off the bat if he says, my middle name is Backgammon, and she goes, really, and he goes, actually, my middle name is whatever, and he goes, I can't believe I told you that.
I don't tell anybody that. Like told her what is instant?
Like?
Yeah, like said is whatever? It is?
Like you find it Cornelius at the end, Cornelius. Do we know his middle name?
I don't know.
Yeah, we so something like that would have been an interesting like how why did I tell you that right away? Oh?
Lauren breaking down those barriers.
Yeah.
So we come back from a commercial, we get another, We get an exterior of the snowy ski lodge. Corey is still sitting on the couch next to Lauren. They're huddled around the table. He laughs. We spent two hours on a jigsaw puzzle and half the pieces are missing. She says. You can still see the picture if you use a little imagination. Cory jokes, Yeah, there's a curly haired kid falling off a bus. Lauren adds, yeah, and a cute mountain girl coming to his rescue. The audience oooo at this obvious moment of flirtation.
If she refers to herself as a cute mountain uh.
Huh, yeah, yeah, that's how that's how we think of ourselves.
The boy meets world self consciousness. It's like, right there, whoever would say that line? Uh huh, you know, get right to the point acquisition self reflection so weird.
Uh.
Then Tobago walk back into the lodge with the rest of the field trip. Immediately Lauren darts back to her desk, like how two teenagers pull apart when a parent walks in the room. Topanga had so much fun she got on the wrong lift and wound up doing six runs with the Olympic team.
That was one of my favorite jokes because again it is every time to Panga is by herself, something amazing happens in her life, Like when she came back that last time, She's like, I was working with Now it's gonna be a law and now so that was the great.
It's like whenever she's.
Not near Corey, her life is phenomenal. Atick commercial.
Funny, that was great, Corey gives a week smile to Panga, adds, but the best part is, I think I'm going to be in a jack stick commercial. She unknowingly sits down on the jigsaw puzzle and Corey fakes a good for you to pega size. I'm sorry, you must be so bored. She's gonna go get changed, and once she's back, they'll spend the rest of the night together. She gives him a peck before walking off. Now we know for sure if there was any doubt before up, those two are in a couple with the coast clear. Lauren makes her way back over to Corey in the puzzle. She comments, looks like you'll be in good hands. Then, as she cleans up, she hands a piece of the unfinished puzzle to Corey. Here, your own piece of the mountain. Keep it as a souvenir. Sean is now behind Corey, witnessing this exchange. As Lauren walks away, Corey stops her. Thanks, it's been the best day with a mildly sprained ankle I've ever had. She smiles and walks away. Now Sean approaches Corey, Well somebody's got a crush. Corey gets defensive. Lauren's being nice to me because it's her job. After today, I'm not planning on spending any more time with her. Sean asks, you don't think I know you better than anybody. With that, Corey puts the puzzle piece in his chest pocket and doesn't say a word. Ye I love this so good, so good. Yeah that you just saw it all. You know exactly what's happening. And you're writing that line between I'm still your best friend and I'm here for you and I want you to be able to talk to me, but also I need you to know that you are on shaky ground.
Yeah, it's we also need a moment to talk about writer.
How well you wear ski and snow clothes.
Yeah, I gotta be honest, I very rarely noticed it, but even from the opening scene with the sweater you add on in the boots, I think snow bunny man bunny is your luck.
Yeah, you're a man bunny.
Okay is that a rabbit?
Maybe you're just a rab whatever it is, but it works, it does you. You wear ski clothes very well.
Yeah, you wear winter clothes like the caps and boots and oversized sweaters and all that.
That's your that's your look.
I've seen your your your like loading dock jacket whatever those are called.
Those you wear those things all. It's very very good.
Even notice it, like I need to be in cooler climates. You do like rock in the snow gear just looks good.
Yeah.
Thanks.
So then we're back at the ski lodge later that night, Corey, to Angela, and Sean are all gathered in the common area, giggling as they ask each other questions from a game book. To Pang us up next with a question for Corey, if you could change your mate into an animal, what pet would it be? And why? Corey begs are nothing fuzzy wuzzy to Panga, picks a falcon, because I want you to be free to soar majestically as long as I know that you'll always come back to me.
By the way falcons, to train them, you have to hood them, essentially declaw them, and train them to rely on you for food and love. You literally have to blind them with a hood to train a falcon to come back to your arm.
I was just thinking about that the whole time.
Is like, that's perfect for topeg perfect.
Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I'm also this just feels what this feels a stretch. This is quite a stretch your writers.
Being like, what animal can we pick that explains this storyline perfectly?
About Yeah, this this part felt a little but I did love the setup and it's seeming almost like we were we were all slap happy from being up late and tired. But it also has the feel of like if you were adults, there would have been three bottles of wine exactly, you know, And and it gives it that feel which is like already a little dangerous, like already we're we're vulnerable.
You're five hot chocolates in by this point, chocolates, Yeah, so many.
This is a funny scene.
That's that's what always looking at you.
I think it's right after the speak because he says sore majestically. He's looking at you, and he is, you guys have some in joke going.
He is losing it. It is funny that. I what I felt like when we were doing when I was watching it, was that there's a memory attached to shooting this and I don't have it.
I don't either, but we were laughing at it so hard. I remember loving the scene sitting there facing each other, and I think it was we were allowed to be adults, like there's something grown up about this team and like I don't know, we were just all of our characters and like the banter. I remember loving.
This shows because it's great.
You guys are all even with the laughing and fake laughing, the mill between the two, and it just works. And that's why I told you it was like watching an episode of Friends for me, or watching an episode of Seinfeld. It was good, comfortable actors in a place that I'd never seen before. Ben I had no memory attached to this episode whatsoever, and I got to just sit back and watch you guys entertainment.
It was great. It was really great.
Well, it's funny to think about how often on this show, like outside of the living room in the kitchen, we're in places where we're sort of like like we're in school, We're in the hallway, it's like we're I guess Chubby's. We're like there to eat and like relax. But it's it's nice to see us just being sort of a place without like an authority figure hovering over us or like you know, we have to be there. It's like we're choosing to hang out and like.
Well, this is the start of the same vibe as the student union.
Yeah right, yeah, helpful. I think we needed the student union this whole year because like the apartment is like not quite there yet, Like, yeah, we need this location where we can just sit and talk.
Yeah right, yeah, like what we would think of as a third place environment, not your home, not your work, but the other the other part of your life. Where do we see you doing that? Yeah? Well, Angela rolls her eyes and tells Sean, if I ever get like that, kill me. He nods, I would have to. Then to Panga notices Lauren walking by, and she asks her to join in on the fun. Corey looks panicked. No, Lauren's probably got better things to do. Angela begs, or please come join us. We could use someone whose answers aren't so pukey to Penga glares at Angela, I could take you. Angela threatens you don't want to dance with you.
This is our like we've this is the third time. Now, this is our writers love this joke, yes, and it's just kind of this one just goes right back.
Okay, yep, No, we really like that line.
You love that line.
Both girls grab pillows off the couch. Sean shouts, all right, chick fight, move the table to Panga and Angela are squaring up, but at the last second, they turned to their boyfriends and start smacking them with the pillows, and.
This is where I really noticed Trina.
If you notice when she stands up, she's got and then you can tell that there's a there's a noticeable baby bump there, so you wouldn't have been able to take her because she was fighting for two at that point.
That's exactly right strength. So yeah. Lauren awkwardly stands there, which I did feel bad for her.
Here.
I was like, this was weird. Ladies, please please come play with us. We're not ready to start a pillow fight. Yeah, yeah, it's this. This bumped me a little bit. Lauren awkwardly stands there. You guys look comfortable enough without me to Panga insists, as she's straddling Corey's leg. No, no, come on, let's keep playing. You can ask the next question. Lauren scoots her way onto the couch, uncomfortably sandwiching Corey between her and to Panga, he asks, it's hot in here? Is it just me? And continues to nervously ramble. Sean wonders if maybe he's sitting too close to the fire. Cory lets out a nervous laugh. Why would you say that. I can't believe you said that. Lauren gets to the question if you had an affair. Cory let's out a loud screech, but Lauren continues, do you think the guilt would change your behavior? Cory scoffs, Where do they come up with that? I mean, that is such a crazy question. Why would they ask me that question? Why me? Again?
It is so weird, Like an affair is something you have when you're married, Like, we're not married, we're kids. Why would we even be asking this question? Why would he even be thinking about it? You'd be like, it's not an affair, it's dating.
It's like right, right, you know, what the hell kind of book is this?
I know, what kind of trivia book are they?
Like?
What kind of questions are these? Who brought this?
Old married people to like loosen up? And it's like, what it's do? Let's just talk about stuff like they just made out with each other.
You know, like after your second cup of sanka at a dinner party, do you and your wife like wait, what?
Who wrote this?
This is clearly our writers wrestling with middle age. Yes, yeah, and you've seen the Corey Tapanga as this lens through which to in question the morality.
But it just doesn't make sense, like just break up.
With the penga, dude, it's not that big of a deal, Like you could just date somebody in the world.
They've been married since age four by this point. Now now we have officially gotten to they are together forever.
This is not two high schoolers dating.
This is all of our lives. It's and it's referendum on love and morality. And it's like the is so like hardcore about it. I mean, I know it's funny, like it makes for funny scenes, but it doesn't really make any sense. Like Sean like now I know that this because in the screen up, so it's all about Sean being upset about so he becomes obsessed with Corey Topanga having to be together for the rest of the show. And it's like, why why wouldn't Sean be like, dude, you're much happier when you're not with me, or like and he doesn't really have much invested with the bank because like we've had no relationship, So it doesn't make any sense except to have another voice of like you know.
It's because is exactly it's supposed to mean that if they break up, no one can be everything.
In the universe, right, we talk about how do you everything is in the universe tells them the shouldn't be together, like the universe is make has moved her to another city, the universe has given her a chapstick commercial she's got, you know, like things like he says are great for radio, I said you a radio thing. Everything aboutship. They shouldn't be together because they're bad for each other. They hurt each other's lives, they limit their options like yes, creak up, dude, Yeah.
I know, yeah, I know, And why why would Sean? I mean, Sean also has spent the other fifty percent of the time going the other way. Come on, man, make up with this this twin with me?
Yes, yes, yeah.
That would have been an interesting aspect of if I don't know what happens in the next episode, but when they address this, Sean kind of being the voice of you, you.
Were happier when you're not with her.
I mean that's kind of it would be interesting. No, I don't think so either.
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because there's a big difference between like go ahead, yeah, cheat on your girlfriend versus maybe this isn't the relationship for you, right.
Like why do we have very different doubling down on this, like right. Yeah, you keep insisting that this is meant to be.
But why Yeah, because they wanted to spin off fifteen or twenty years later.
It's the only way it worked.
Okay, everyone is going into it and completely unhinged, spiral. This is the scene we're talking about where there's a nice mix between all of us breaking and laughing real and then us paint At this point, I mean, you're just all just like happy for Everyone calms down and Topang admits she's exhausted. Angela agrees until Sean she's going to bed. Sean follows, I'm right behind you. I mean, I'm going to my room, right, That's where I'm going. Angela nods, and Sean tries to play it cool, right, and I'll just be reading the Bible. She does ye, and then the two disappear, and as Tapanga starts to walk away, Corey stops her, wait, I'm not tired. Who wants to see a movie? Panga's too tired, but Corey can stay up, but not too late, because she wants her falcon flying down the slopes with her tomorrow. She also wishes Lauren a good night before walking off, and now with just Corey and Laurene alone on the couch. There's a moment of awkward silence before Corey announces he should go to bed too. Lauren nods, I'm just gonna sit here let the fire die down. She dims the lights and continues and watch the moon rise over the mountain. Corey admits it sounds nice. He's never done anything like that before because he's from the city. He starts to explain why, and Lauren finishes his sentence because of ambient light. She was raised in the city too. She moved to the mountains from New York at age thirteen, thinking she'd hate the mountains, but now she couldn't live anywhere else. Corey says he couldn't imagine living anywhere but the city with its ambient light. He actually doesn't want to see anything in the sky, but when she tells him to look outside, he immediately does it. We hear some dramatic music. Is the moon Moon by the Lie the simmery Moon? I want to spoon with ma honeyac okay, okay, Lauren looks right at him. You were distracted by the city lights. Then Lauren notices the fires going out and asks if she should throw in another log. Oh, Cory just stares at her without giving a response. She takes that as a yes, and a smiling Corey watches her stoke the fire. Then we get an exterior shot showing the two of them inside continuing to talk through a frosted window window.
That they brought in to put the can in between the cameras set. Yeah, it's one of the few times we've had a fourth wall.
Fl frosted window love what frosted window love FLW everybody knows that.
No, that would be frost w's w L.
Yeah, that's frosted love. Windows are different, those are different. We won't get into that on this podcast. I don't want I don't want to know about that.
No, that sounds like something I should not be a part of. You should not, you should Then we're at the ski Lodge at Sunrise. Cory and Lauren are now sitting in a new location, the.
Bay window, first bay window.
I was just gonna say, that's so funny that you said this was a Girl Mey World thing, because I looked at Sue, I was like, Wow, this looks like like it would be on Girl Mey World with the bay window, and I can't believe they actually built it.
I think probably the first time we used a bay window, and then the became.
A symbol of love.
Symbol of love and the bay window and all the girls. But it was Yeah, I was like, oh, I wonder if this is where Michael got it, Like, oh, yes.
Oh I remember, I'm talking about it for sure. The oh really, oh yeah no, this bay window was like changed Michael's life.
But because Corey and Lauren actually had chemistry and righting the scene together and he was like, yes, so cose, how can we just have more of that on our show? Maybe?
Was there a bay window in the Boy Meets World house anywhere?
Technically?
So there wasn't like a bench in front of the window in the boy's bedroom when Sean climbs in. There's not like something.
There is that every window.
We don't ever sit. We didn't do a scene there, Okay, all right.
M m yeah, okay, yeah, so that's it. Opinions to be a bay bay window, Okay, it's a rule. Everyone knows. It leaves good TV. So it appears they been up all night. Corey's telling her about his skydiving experience, and I loved that. It was a real callback, yeah, that was great, the same thing, and she interrupts him. You can jump out of a plane, but you can't get off a bus.
Funny, she's funny and smart. She knew about ambient light. Like they're setting up that. She also knows some stuff and.
Is yeah, yeah, very interesting.
I'm an all right, she's supposed to be. I don't know.
I think I would say a little older nights in high school.
Yeah, so technically.
You know, right, nineteen seventeen, breaking the well, just talking all night.
Yeah, that's talking.
Wow, oh kissing. Yeah, I'm right, he's we're seventeen.
Yeah, in senior year. Maybe we're eighteen at this point.
Yeah, possibly possible. He laughs. I'm an ironic guy. Lauren says she likes that, and she likes the way he's really interested in what she's saying. Corey admits she's easy to listen to. You're the most interesting, cute mountain girl who's ever rescued me. She playfully edges in, see you really listen to me. It's getting intense as Corey thanks her for pointing out the natural beauty that's all around him, and then we hear footsteps. Corey turns to see Phoene grinning at him. How you doing, Oh I felt, I felt agreed. Yes, it's so good. Ooh. A startled Corey asks what Phoene's doing up so late, but Phoene corrects him he is up with the sun ready to make first tracks. Phoene makes his way to the stairs. But I'm surprised to see you up this early, Corey, Lauren. He nods and judges for sure. As he leaves, Corey looks at his watch. It is in fact morning. He tells Lauren, I had a nice time talking to you. She responds, so did I. She pauses for a second before admitting I like you, Corey. Corey says he likes her too. She asks, but we can't do anything about that, can we? Corey shakes his head.
No.
Lauren sighs and pulls the blanket off of herself. She should probably get ready for work now. And does she just work twenty four hours a day?
I thought the same thing I said to Sue. I'm like, this is a long shift. This is a very long shift this poor girl has. I'm the only one who works here, so I'm here twenty four to seven.
I mean, she could have technically been off, and they could have referenced that too, that she actually got off at ten or whatever time whatever.
I want her to be available all night, so she's there, but she has like a room to sleep in, but she just didn't sleep.
I'd also like to point out, just to go back very briefly to Bill coming in to mister Feene, this is now the second or third episode in a row where he calls him.
Corey instead of mister math instead of mister Matthews.
It hasn't been mister Matthews in a couple episodes now, I noticed that before, which is because, yeah.
Do we really think they called it? Did he always mister Matthews before?
I would say the vast majority of the time.
Yeah. Yeah. It's like, as they are getting older, the more respectful thing to do is to call them by their first name.
Why is human name?
It's a human name, yes, exactly. So she quickly straightens her pants and her shirt and announces, well, I'm ready. Corey follows her. They can still be friends. She notices his ankle is all better, and then we see Sean now on the second floor, looking down on the situation. Unnoticed. Lauren asks Corey, so I guess you'll be skiing today. Corey nods, yeah, that's what I came up here for. Lauren says, yeah, I mean, you wouldn't want to stay inside on your last day. She tells him to have fun and reminds him not to get hurt, and she makes her way toward the reception desk. Sean quickly rushes down the stairs. All night. Corey insists nothing happened, they were just talking. Sean asks again all night, then to pang An. Angela enter and to pang is happy to see Corey. She asks how his ankle's feeling. Corey says, it's confused. It's bothering me, and it's not bothering me. I don't know what I should do. The Penga says, if it's bothering him at all, he should stay off of it. Corey looks over at Lauren, who has begun her work day, and declares, yeah, it's bothering me. Sean's face is etched with worry as he knows the truth behind Corey's decision, and.
Topanga, who notices everything, doesn't notice that he's in the same clothes.
No, no, but obviously been up all night.
I mean it's like pretty obvious that he's been up all night, wouldn't she say, didn't you.
Go to bed? Well, if she doesn't recognize what he's wearing immediately, she could think he's up before the day early like she is too. But also, I don't know that Tapanga would necessarily have said anything to Pega's so not jealous. I mean, yeah, you know, she later brings up the whole conversation like you're allowed to talk to other people.
Yeah, you're allowed to them.
Interesting, And she doesn't really ever say and you can stay up all night, but she does kind of understand I trust you, so ring Yeah, and you know, if someone's going to break your trust, like you telling him don't do it, is not probably not going to stop him anyway, exactly. So then we are at this in the ski lodge and it is daytime. Cory is back on the couch with his leg elevated. Sn storms down the stairs. I saw you with Lauren. Your ankle's fine. You lied to Topanga. Very famous, uh, very famous. Sean Lyne just very famous. Corey is shocked. All we did was talk. Sean questions him, no kissy, Corey answers, just Talkie he doesn't feel the need to tell Topanga because it's not going to turn into anything. Sean asks, If it's not going to turn into anything, then how come you lied about your ankle. Corey explains, I've been with Tapanga forever. I don't want to have feelings for another girl. I can't have feelings for another girl.
Why god, I know what? Why is this sentence, I can't have feelings for another girl? Why not?
Because it means he's a lie.
Of course you can, but isn't that like why is this logic reinforced by the show? Like that is that is an insane thing to say I can't have feelings. Yes you can't, you absolutely can't, And like why not why not listen to those feelings? Why not act on them? Like you can act on these feelings very responsibly and say, you know what, maybe I don't need to be so serious about my relationship, and maybe I should explore other people or get to have friends that are roles. Maybe maybe Lauren and I don't have any romantic things, but she's just going to become my new best friend. Who knows? But I can't have feelings? Come on, that's so weird. It's weird.
It really is, for sure, just an adult storyline that was put into the show and then and just said, and it'll work because you have relationships as a teenager too, and it's as if no one ever pushed back. But like, it doesn't have to be the same. That's why marriage is different than just a dating relationship, and it is why we don't allow miners to get married, right, so you know.
It depends on the state. But anyway.
The also, the thing we've talked about several times that I think we have to remember, which we've said in certain episodes, is that we had certain writers, certain producers that were going through things in their personal life that they were putting on the show. Yeah, that were when you're forty five and going through it. It's different than when you're seventeen, but they're going to write it as if they were said, life.
Crisis, Corey, I've married, I want to play the field exactly, And it's like, yeah, to shoehorn that into a an eighteen year old's life is pretty intense.
Yeah, yeah, yes, and to not reference, not to acknowledge in any way that it's completely different. Just it's like, there really are a lot of storylines you can take from an adult life and say, well, what's the kid version of that? This was just the problem was it didn't go through that what's the kid version of it? Filter? It was just a direct copy paste. And then the argument is, well, but so why can't you get feelings because he's made a commitment to Topanga and they're supposed to be together. It's like the answer just doesn't So there.
You think this is also a great opportunity to kind of have somebody come in and teach Corey or he learns himself or something Phoene Sean whoever where. It's like, you don't choose who you get feelings for, you choose how you.
Act on those feelings exactly. So you deciding to cheat on somebody is bad.
You having feelings for somebody else might be a natural thing, but you go, no, I've made a commitment to somebody else.
I'm not going to act on those feelings.
But the feelings are right, feelings are going to happen, Yeah, exactly.
And the feelings are worth than saying listen to Panga. I need to talk to you. I have been experiencing feelings for somebody else, and I think that if that, if our relationship was as solid as I think it is, I wouldn't necessarily be having those feelings, So I should perhaps go explore those yealings.
Or what you realize often I think is that those feelings are because they're novel, you know. Yeah, person, And when you actually, if you actually spend time with Lauren, he would be like, oh, actually we don't get along that.
You know, it's not Wait a second, it couldn't. Isn't this what happened?
Isn't there an episode that comes up where Tapega says, if you're having these feelings, you need to go explore them.
Yeah, And then he does and then she breaks up with them.
Isn't this sorry? Sorry Nanga going on a date?
Yeah?
I mean, I guess you play this out because I think they do do that.
I think I don't.
Yes, But the idea you're right rider, where it's like you can't have these feelings is crazy.
Yeah. Yeah, So Sean pats him on the back. Sure she will, Everything's fine. He begins to walk away, but dramatically turns back to Corey. Read the Bible is such a great read. I read the Bible and I and it comes.
To like the fact that because I'm wearing the hat and it's like, I don't know, there's just something so like, yeah, it's funny, it's.
It's but it also has shown in that one joke that you haven't had any chance to hook up with Angela. Why you've been there and you've literally been reading the Bible? Yes, yeah, spread my misery around.
Yeah, I can't be happy.
Yeah.
So yeah, well I loved that. So we're still at the ski lodge. A little later, Lauren has just finished helping a guest and Corey walks down the stairs with no limp and rings the bell on the hotel counter. She jokingly gives him a little salute. Yes, sir, how can I help you? Corey blurts out, I don't want to have feelings for another girl. She smiles, neither do I. Why aren't you skiing? Corey reiterates his concern. I can't have feelings for another girl. You understand that, right, She nods. I understand it and I respect it. Why aren't you skiing? Corey explains, I need to make sure we understand that last night didn't mean anything. Lauren asks if Tapanga knows he's here and Corey admits, no, I told her my ankle was still sore. Lauren asks, so you lied to your girlfriend because last night didn't mean anything. Corey corrects her. I lied to my girlfriend because I don't want to hurt her, and I don't know what last night meant. Lauren says, you know, in that game, they ask if you could describe your perfect mate, who would it be. Well, I've always known the answer. Corey shakes his head. Don't do this, she laughs with the audience. It wasn't you, Lauren explains. I'm trying to say I wasn't expecting you, but sometimes people take you by surprise. Then she leans in and kisses him. She does like ninety five percent of the work, but Corey doesn't pull away and he definitely kisses back.
Yeah, now, did you guys this is a complete echo of Topanga at the locker. It's like almost identical face on Ben's bence. Is it really it's an aggressive woman kissing him? You know? In that case, he's literally handcuffed and pinned against the locker. She's like moving in, and here it is Laura moving in just like Topanga did. And the look on his face of like what just happened, and like her turning away, I was like, oh my god, this is like, you know, very I think it's very intentional that hunt again he's at the mercy of an aggressive woman and he he's going to be insourceful.
It also happens in the in the closet, in the makeout scene where the other girl kisses him. He makes that he's it's the same. Corey's eyes are bulging out of his head. He's speechless for a second, then finally puts some words together. Good, I'm glad we cleared this up, and then he walks away. Now, how many times would you say at this point Corey has cheated on Too Panga.
Yeah, it's pretty immediate, Like the second second they're together, he gets tempted.
Right, and when they're together and seemingly happy, like, yeah, the latter we've we've we had seen a couple episodes that have been really nice where you got to see Corey and Too Panga in kahoots with each other about you know, when we knew about the Angela purse stuff, the super Bowl episode that like that. There have been so many great times where it looks like things are in a good group they actually loved each other. Yeah, all of a sudden, a woman has puts herself in a situation with Corey where Corey is like mostly innocent but not just so, Now do we like that? It's just that it's a little bit more of a gray area or would you have preferred it?
Well, it's not whatever her name was at Beach State, where Corey is clearly uncomfortable trying to get away from her, like not going to but still.
Not walking out of the room.
Yeah, And we've also established that in every kind of fantasy the second Corey can be with a different woman he is. I mean, we did it in the nineteen forties episode, We've did it in a bunch of different ones where it's so they've kind of established this, like anytime Corey can get away with being with another woman, whether it's physically or just emotionally, he takes the opportunity.
It seems like that anyway.
Well, the world is just full of aggressive, aggressive women who love.
And he's just navigating the mind fields.
Like everybody's yeah, I want you, Corey, and you're gonna I'm gonna take you.
He's always like, oh no, I.
Don't want that.
But maybe I do, it's right.
Yeah.
How many times does a guy find themselves a situation where women are literally getting naked and throwing them.
Throwing themselves out of yeah yeah, so yeah they've Well again, it's the universe. Do you have to earn the relationship with Pang? You have to get through all this.
To require sacrifice and.
Visery even though outside of that relationship, women are throwing themselves, rowing themselves every time you leave the house.
Anywhere you go, from the bunnies to the beechees.
Themselves, jacket girls, the leather jacket girls, that they're all tempt Yeah. I question to Panga's pure right, like she's the one withholding.
The viginita and why he has to have her?
Yeah. So the question then becomes, when is it emotional cheating for Corey? Forget Lauren, for Corey, when is he When do you think he's crossed the line?
Uh?
This is okay?
Is a lie?
You think it's itself?
Because if he said to Tapanga, you know what, I'm not gonna ski, I'd rather just hang out and talk to Lauren.
Talk to Lauren all that, right, he probably wouldn't have crossed.
She would be like okay, but instead he says, O, no, my ankle so he can stay and then right, and that's why Lauren kiss him, because she's like, oh you your girlfriend for me, he does the first betrayal, so then she's willing to take you know, Okay, that makes sense to me.
There's a part of me that feels like the staying up all night is really the first the first time. I'm like, but I will say. The idea that he is surprised by it, that he's like, oh my gosh, it's already mourning makes me think three hours went by and in his mind it was maybe only still eleven and you know, so right and again, teenagers, the teenagers you want to sit in a lodge and never make a physical move on somebody and just talk to somebody interesting. Truthfully, that's exactly what you probably should be doing to as many different people as possible, having those kinds of conversations and figuring out where your attraction is. Like, that's truthfully the best. That's what dating is for. To figure out who you want and who you like and who you are around them, and you know, and figuring out what about what crossing your boundaries are all of that is what you're supposed to be doing. So I agree that it's the lie.
I think a good rule of thumb is, how would you feel if your partner did exactly the same thing to you? Yeah, so you reverse the situation and then go, eh, I wouldn't like it if you know, now, me isn't a married man. If my wife stayed up all night and talked to some dude totally all night long at it, okay, wouldn't be comfortable with that. So I'm not going to stay up all night and talk to a woman at SKU.
You know.
That's kind of where I would put it in.
Again, though it depends on the woman you're talking to or the you know, Yeah, I don't know. There's a lot of I mean, there's a lot of gray areas. What kind of relationship do you have with this person before?
He?
Before?
Is the other person in a relationship like that, it wouldn't seem more like platonic like yeah, exactly all night and you know, yeah, who knows.
So it's the ski Lodge nighttime. Sean is shocked at Corey you kissed her. Corey doesn't know what to do. Sean tells him what he's not going to do. He is not going to tell Ta Beannga. I know women. She'll forgive you for talking to Laurence. She'll even forgive you for lying to her because you never have before. But she he will never ever forgive you for kissing another girl. Corey siys, I want this whole thing to never have happened. Right then to Pega, excitedly walks up to the boys. Cory says hi, but can't bring himself to look at her. Tapanga notices he's back on his feet. She wants to go ski a few rounds with him before they close the ski lifts. Corey says they need to talk. He walks her over to the couch and he sits her down. Honesty is the most important thing in a relationship, and you mean everything to me. I lied about my ankle today so I could stay at the lodge. I met an interesting person that I liked talking to Lauren. Great. This is very honest, very mature and honest. Ye for a teenager. To Penga is shocked. You lied to me so you could spend time with another girl. Corey goes on to admit that they spent the entire night talking too and then this morning he told her it didn't mean anything. To peg is angry you lied to me. Corey responds, I'm sorry. I'd rather break my ankle into fifty thousand pieces than cause you pain. To Pega's jaw is still on the floor, Corey asherz er he will never lie to her again. To Pega explains, it's okay for you to talk to an interesting person, but it's not okay that you lied to me. He agrees, I shouldn't lie to someone I love more than anything. And I kind of I liked that line, mostly because I really do think it is Corey recognizing that he shouldn't want to lie to her. If he really loved her as much as he thought he did, and this relationship really was as perfect for him, he wouldn't want to have done that. And so to me, it plays both ways. It's just interesting that it never that never plays out. That's not actually he never looks at it and goes, maybe this relationship does need some time. He doubles down on it the other way. And yet this line, the way it's written and the way it was delivered, tells you I shouldn't want to lie to to someone I don't know. They just played so easily to so obviously to me that he's realizing that means something else too. Yeah, And it's such a bummer that it never, as far as I know, it never really gets that part doesn't get addressed, certainly not by him. Ta Pega hugs him, she loves him too. As they're hugging, we see Sean giving him a thumbs up, mouthing oh yeah, and then to Panga asks if anything else happened between him and Lauren. Corey goes blank now and Sean is giving him a thumbs down, mouthing no, this.
You were very funny.
It was because it was big and cartoony and really just funny with a great counterpoint to what was happening in the.
Foreground, exactly taking thirty seconds looking over her shoulder, turning.
Her body, so funny. To Pega repeats her question, did anything else happen between you two? Sean is now aggressively shaking his head no. Forry finally responds nothing. She's relieved and she gives him another hug. We see Corey's face and Sean's are riddled with guilt, and then we are at the ski lodge check out.
The story question?
Ye, moral question.
Had he said to her she kissed me, but I didn't kiss back?
Yes, what do you think would have happened? Would they?
Would she have broken up with him? But he's honest about it. And again, he didn't kiss her. He didn't pull away, he didn't back away. He certainly like you said ninety five to five, but he didn't kiss her. He didn't try to initiate. And if he just told her, do you think everything would have been?
Okay?
Yeah?
I mean, because that's him saying, I don't want to pursue like she kissed me, and I realized that it had crossed the line. So I'm not going you know, So I'm telling you the truth of what happened, and now we can move on in And.
It had just happened too, right, wasn't this Yeah, ten minutes before this booke okay, So it wasn't like three days later he was going to tell her. So had he just said she kissed me, I should have pulled away.
I didn't.
It lasted two seconds. I realized I didn't want it, and I'm telling you about it now. Everything's probably good. So honestly, the best policy is what we're essentially.
Saying, I think Tega would have broke up with him.
Really, you think I do?
I think she would have. I think I think even if she realized later, I may have had an overreaction. I think I think her reaction would not have been, oh, well, thank you for telling me the truth. I think she's really hurt about the lie, and I think he lied and he kissed her like n I think Tmega's saying, well, you're on your own, Corey Matthews and Corey backgamm and Matthews.
What happens? Right?
Answer? Yes, I think so. Yeah. So we're at the ski lodge check out. The students are all leaving the lodge, bags in hand. Lauren is at the desk because she never leaves. She shouts to his classmates, tell your friends about the mounts On Lodge. She turns to Corey and cringes, they made me say that. Corey smiles, It was nice meeting you, Lauren. She admits, I don't want to cause any trouble between you and your girlfriend. Corey interrupts her. You don't have to apologize, she says, I wasn't going to you ran off before we could talk. I said, I like you and I meant it. I don't want to ignore that. She grabs a letter from the desk. It's all in this letter. I hope you read it. She slides it into a pocket in his Duffel bag. Sean walks up and asks Scry if he's ready. Corey then walks away and we sit for a beat as she watches him go. And then Angela and Sean make their way to the bus, giving Corey into pegas some privacy. Corey asks, can I sit next to you on the bus? To Pega smiles you better. He says, let's talk all the way home. Okay. She nods, I'd love that, and then he's going to go put all of their stuff on the bus. But as he picks up the luggage, he accidentally ross it.
Was a little little convenient. This is beat slightly convenient, but it wor.
The Duffel rolls onto its side. He picks it up and walks away without noticing one fatal mistake. Lauren's letter has fallen out of his bag and onto the ground. We see Topanga pick it up, and sad music begins to play, while digital looking snow falls to the ground.
Mostly just on her, while not so much on either side of.
Her correct very weird. Yeah, I think there was digital snow it was.
No, I think it was just because you know, some of this the chunks were this big.
Oh yeah, the big literally the flakes were huge.
But at least at this point it wasn't asbestos.
Which is good. And so we end on that cliffhanger. No tag. I think that's the first time ever.
They just want to get you and you on the the Oh my god, what's going on here?
It's a short Yeah. We always went as long as we could, but they clearly were like, Nope, we don't want to make a joke. We just want to leave that that cliffhanger.
That cliffhanger finds the letter.
Say it with food, say it with drink, but for the love of God, never say it with ink. It's a good thing, that good thing to talk about.
You don't put it in writing. Well. Thank you all for joining us for this episode of pod Meats World. Our next episode recap will be season five, episode fifteen, First Girlfriends Club, which originally aired February thirteenth, nineteen ninety eight. As always, you can follow us on Instagram Podmeets World show. You can send us your emails Podmeets Worldshow at gmail dot com and we.
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