Welcome to another edition. I'll be Playing Through Podcast. It's Froggy from Opus to Rand in the morning show along with my co host Brian Whacker. We are on Instagram at playing Through Podcast, or you can get us on Twitter at play through Golf, at Brian Whacker one and at Froggy Radio. So listen, we're all stuck in our houses. We don't have a lot to do, so we've been hitting guys up, trying to get guys on the new zoom camera. So now we're doing this a new ways we can all see each other, and tonight here we are with PGA tour player Charles Howell. Charles, thank you so much for joining us and thanks for giving us your time. Well, thanks for having me on. I uh yeah, the zoom things kind of new. I actually had to get my nine year old daughter to figure out how to do this. In fact, I'm sitting here on her school I pad to do it, so I feel I feel pretty caught up here with the technology that is school money well spent right there, Charles, Oh, fantastic, exactly. Yes see, I went from being a professional golfer to a homeschooling and a teacher, and I can assure your teachers are underpaid everywhere. So what are you better at golf or better at homeschooling your children? Oh my gosh, you better at golf? Are you kidding me? Like I can't even keep up with this? Like surely English, I don't even know what this is, and and you can't help him with anything. So I'm I'm not going to make it as a teacher. How many times have you been on YouTube to try to figure out a math problem? Oh? My? YouTube and Google? And the thing is, I'm like, okay, guys, we have this thing called a calculator and the rest of your life you're gonna use this. So why do we have to do this? Yeah? Um, teachers are underpaid. I can assure you they really are. So yeah, the PGA tour schedule, they've told us what exactly we're gonna do, But you know what, we're passing a lot of time. The players seems like forever ago that we played that Thursday round. Uh they were right down the street from where I live in uh in Pontovidra, Charles, what have you been doing the past the time? I was watching Instagram Live Today with Rory McIlroy. He says he hasn't swung club in five weeks. What have you been doing a past your time? Well, fortunately I in Orlando, so our golf has has been open, albeit you know, with proper new guidelines and rules and whatnot. So I've still been able to go out and play in practice. My son, after school homeschooling, uh, loves to go out, that's his pe. And I've had a few matches with some of the guys back here just to play to stay fresh. But it does feel weird, and there's we're not really preparing for a tournament that we know is gonna come up. And but I mean we're still golfers. We still like to play, and I'm still a bit of a golfer. Yeah, that's um. So we see all these guys, Charles, you know, you guys are such creatures of habit. We see um and and now that routine is, you know, completely out the window. We see um justin Thomas and and Rory jumping on the peloton, Billy Horshill, having these having these peloton races, which by the way, I tried to join them in the peloton race. That's a bad idea, by the way, not not good but it's funny. And and then bryceon, uh you know it seems like he's he's trying to get even bigger, is getting even bigger? Bulking up? Does it strike? Does it strike you? It's funny because your guy, I think that is, is forty or thereabouts. And it's almost like these these young guys, uh who came after you don't know what to do with themselves. Yeah, we can send them to kids and a whole stack of homework. Well we'll even send the iPad with them. And uh, you know, uh yeah, I remember before I was forty. Uh, now you know what You're right. I mean, we're such creatures of habit of you know, Monday we kind of have a day off, and Tuesday practice round a little bit, Wednesday pro and and we go. And now, as he said, I mean, the Player's Championship feels a lifetime ago. I mean, you know, it's kind of what we do. It's kind of what we've known. And we we've known most all listen to play golf since we could walk. So this is all we've ever really known or done. And you know, now I think guys are finding new things the peloton. I mean Rory mc Roy is now confirmed that he's better than me and everything, and um, not just golf, but not even off the golfer. So um, yeah, I think God's just passed time till hopefully what second third week of June we can get back now, Charles, I do have to ask you, as you have been sitting at home and finding things to do, have you watched any of the Tiger King on Netflix? I have so because I have some Oklahoma connections. I went to school with Okhoma State, and yeah, the ties there and oh for sure, I have definitely watched a Tiger King. Um, go watch some mooz arc as well. I got a few of them going. So what's your take? Did Carol Baskin kill her husband feed him to the tigers? I don't know, man, I mean, it's just like it's a great I don't know. I mean, I see all this stuff dealing social media. It's nominal. The following that that show has got it really is. It's unbelievable. I mean, the show is taken off, it's it's almost kind of bonded to America together as we're watching the show. And I found that the more I watched the show, I feel better about my own life decisions. I feel I've done really well in life because I've done so much better than Joe exotic. No, no, no question about it, and we all feel better. Right. It's just like and I saw even President Trump got to ask about it in one of his press briefings. It's just incredible, it is. It really is unbelievable. Did you get a chance to watch any of the Jordan's doc this past Sunday night? Yes? I did, And oh my goodness, what a show that is. And it's gonna be awesome. Uh, I mean, I wish they would have just kept playing straight on through, but yes, I watched that, and we'll be we'll be tuning in Sunday as well. Yeah, I'm excited. I mean too, We've got the first two episodes of releasing two more every week. But I mean, you really see a different side of Jordan's. I know a lot of really hardcore bulls fans. I know Whacker is a huge hardcore bulls man, but there was a lot of stuff in there I didn't know about. Actually, I'm a big Lakers fan, easy there, but I like Charles grew up you know, watching Jordan's and again, that story. Yeah, it's I think Scotti Pittman was a bit underpaid, a little bit. Holy cow, I had no idea. I mean that at the age we were watching this, I didn't look at that side of things and have that appreciation for it. But my goodness, gracious was he ever. He really was. So as we get back into back into playing golf, coalhead whacker and yeah, speaking and getting paid because this is this is one of the all time most amazing statistics really in the history of golf. You may not even be aware of this, Charles, so for for look, we already had the season cut short at this point interrupted. You've already earned over a million dollars this season. That is the twentie straight season you have earned at least a million dollars. Um. Can you name the other guy who has done that? Oh, well, Tiger would have been a shoe in if it weren't for injury. Um, Dustin doesn't quite have twenty years, uh, Nicholson, it's got to be. Yes, you would feel the only guys. And that's that's a remarkable statistic because that's incredible consistency, never losing your card. Um having an incredible run for that period of time nineteenth all time, by the way, in case you're wondering that, it tells you how much the think times have changed. I don't know, if you'll please don't get upset. I'm just repeating the stats. Yes, but Jordan's speed is actually eighteen and you've got fifteen thirteen years on in thereabouts. Yeah, the money's changed a little bit over the times. No, it's great, but that's what's supposed to happen, and it helped lead my generation can leave golf better than it was we had it, and that just continues to perpetuate. Now. I got extremely lucky. I came along right with the Tiger era, and Tiger what he's done for all of us, my goodness. I mean, we obviously pay federal tax, and some players pay state tax. We should also pay a Tiger tax, and uh and we each and every one of us. Oh that guy something, I promise you. So you love the fact that he's back and playing well again? Oh my goodness, Yes, I mean, yes, absolutely well. I mean from a business side, of course, but even from a fan side. I mean I I was luck enough to spend you know, six seven years around Tiger here at home in Isleworth and was lucky enough to play in practice with him and learn from him before he moved down to West Pall And my goodness, I mean that the times I spent around him were just awesome. So as we get back into golf, and we're looking now looks like we're gonna start playing uh in mid June. There's a lot of golf packed into the second half of this year. You know, we've spent these last five weeks sitting at home with nothing to do. There's a lot of important golf that they have really tried to pack into the end of the year. And I know that the technically the season is gonna end and there's only gonna be one major this year, and that'll be the p g A and they'll be six next year with the way they've moved the Masters in the US Open and the the the British Open has been canceled. Um, how do you feel about the new schedule? Are you a fan? And how are you gonna pick and choose which tournaments you play and get ready for the majors? Well? Great question. First off, I hope we can start in June. Um First, For whatever reason, I feel that that even seems a little bit aggressive. Um, yeah, there's so many unknowns out there, not only on what this whole virus entails, but also and how do we restart and golf because of the nature of how many players, caddies, et cetera. Even our skeleton crew is still a big number, even with no fans, there's still a lot of people to put on a golf tournament. It absolutely is more than I realized until I started talking with certain people to get those numbers. So, you know, hoping we can start then, I think you're gonna see a lot of guys play a lot more golf than they really ever have. Um. You know, you take, as you said, so many big events jammed right together. You really don't have a choice, do you and to but but to play? So uh, maybe learning how to manage energy levels better on Monday, tucy Wednesday to be ready to play Thursday. But you know, with this thing and how you know, how we're gonna come back, how we're gonna open up, um, how we you know, travel, where we stay, all these things now become bigger issues than they ever have been. So there's there there's still even going into it is there's gonna be a lot of questions. I mean, as we stand right now, Charles, are you comfortable with playing in mid June? Um? You know that's a great question, and my best answer kind of is I don't know. Uh. I think the only way I think is appropriate to go back is with the proper guidance and blessing from c d C and other state health officials that as a as a tour, and so many people are involved in this deal. It is not just players, it's players, caddies, television crew, media support staff, etcetera. I think we owe it to everybody to go back in the safest for impossible. Um. Knowing you can't eliminate all risk, but I still think it's on us to eliminate as much of the risk as we care. How do you you know? As part of that, obviously the Masters moves to November rescheduled from just a couple of weeks ago. Um, how do you feel about Augusta in November? What I mean, you're probably better verse to speak about that than than really anybody would you grew up there? Um, what is Augusta national like in November? Well, it can be cold and and granted it can be cold in April as well. But but November can be cold and it can be called the entire week, um guessing unless we get some odd warm weather, the golf course will play a bit longer than it does in April. Um we generally speaking, the fairways that are a bit softer. H Now, I know that. Now with the greens, it's not a concern. I mean, they they they could get those greens, however they want them in a really short period of time. So the greens, I don't think you will tell a difference. But I think overall the golf course is gonna play longer. And um, you know, with that said, you know that golf course is not short, and those fairways get wet and it gets a little cold out there, it could uh it could be for sure, different animal in that regard. Do you like fact that they're trying to fit it into November or do you think it's something we should have just skipped a year, played next year in April, because like Whacker and I talked, a guy that wins in November could technically only be a champion for five months and have to give the jacket up again the next April exactly. Um, you know, I mean, I'm biased on that side growing up there, so I was always on the side of playing it. Now, had we played it let's say late September early October, the weather would have been phenomenal. But I know there's a lot more factors that go into this than just you know when the weather is going to be good. However, I still say that any Masters is better than no Masters. Right. Speaking of the Masters, did you watch Easter Sunday when CBS reran it with Tiger on zoom from his home in West Palm kind of going over the shots. Yes, I did. I thought it was fantastic. I thought the more he got into it, he got a little more comfortable, it looked like uh. And then by the end of it his I thought it was wonderful that I was fantastic. Were you there on site when he when he when he won? No, no no, no, I had already finished and it had left. Um. That was a weird day. I tee off the tenth tea that Sunday morning. I mean, of all my master's childhood dreams, they never entailed a tenth tea start on Sunday at the three. So it's uh, that was one of the weirdest feeling days ever. Um, especially it's Sunday of the Masters and you t off ten and I came re exactly around eight thirty is that day I t off We got to liketeen. There's no one down there, I mean, nor should they be. All the fans should be where the leaders are and Tiger than Rod on front nine. So we're playing Amen Corner on Sunday and there's literally nobody out there. Um, really bizarre day. But uh, following the leaderboards and you obviously hearing the wars and what happens, it's what a great day. But it really was such an iconic day between that day. I know Whacker was at the Tour Championship when he won his first tournament back, the first win that you had. That was that epic scene that we've all seen with the crowds running down the eighteenth fairway there in Atlanta. I mean, there's just been so many moments, but I know you personally, and Whacker said that you've got some great Tiger stories. Well we got that in funny it's uh, you know, to say, you know Tiger, he's one of the He was one of those guys that was always really good to me and that from home at Isleworth was it was. It was always willing to open up and to say, hey, Charles, I'll help you on this, I'll help you on that. Um, I think you don't understand his work ethic and how hard the guy worked. And um, his house at Alwards was really close to the driving range. Um, you know he could walk crowd across the street to it and you know the days where it would be you know, eight to nine degrees percent humidity and nice normal central floor today and Tiger has a weight vest on and he's running sprints down the range and then you think he's kind of always done, kind of first workout for the day. And then the white best come golf and he just starts running around the whole development and he just runs six seven, eight miles that he comes out and practices with us. And Yeah, the work ethic of the guy, it was just NonStop. Never did he never slept at all, like ever slept. So when if we'd be home in town for a week and we're on tiger schedule, the phone and ring or you get a text match at five am, Hey let's go to Einstein Bagels. Let's go, let's go get breakfast and get the day going. And my good he never sleeps. Um. But he had such a big heart and he was so good to me. And UM, I can tell you that the game of golf and nast Tiger and UM, you know, deep down, even behind the whole iconic larger than life figure, he is, UM he has. He's got a really big heart to help people that ask I want to ask you about about two things about Tiger. Yeah, involves a shark uh trip that you guys were on and have three presidents cup. Yeah, but I'll get to that. Um. But you mentioned Augusta and last year and you're down there and in the scene was really you obviously stay on the golf course. You didn't see this. The scene was incredible that early in the morning. In the morning, you've got the leaders going off walking out of the club. You know, there's that there's a line that forms from the clubhouse, uh to the first tee Alger comes walking out. It's you've got guys crossing over between nine or teeing off on the back nine. It was it was really this incredible scene. And then afterward you had all of these past champions putting on their green jackets. The clubhouse was filled to the brand, people just coming out of literally the woodwork to see that. I'm curious what you've obviously at that point, I'm sure you're probably back at your parents house watching on television, curious what you've heard, um in the months since then, in what that atmosphere was like Avagasta, because it really, um, I've only covered about ten or or twelve of them now, but that was really probably unlike any other Masters. So the whole day started off weird. I remember Saturday night we saw the weather forecast was meant to be bad on Sunday, and you think, well, if the Master is gonna go to Monday, I mean, it's just it's just gonna go to Monday. The Master. Sunday of the Masters is twosomes and it goes off late, etcetera. And for Fred Ridley to say, you know what, no, we're gonna we're gonna play three sents to go early and beat the weather. And right then and they're cold. Man, this this is bizarre. It's just different. You just don't expect it. And that morning it just it just the whole day felt so different, but yet it still had the electricity of the Masters. Any other event that moves their teachs times way up early on Sunday to beat the weather in threesomes, atmosphere is kind of gone. I mean, it's kind of more like, guys, we're just trying to get done and hopefully beat the weather. And but being that it's the Masters, it still had that electricity to it, and from some of the the gentlemen that that worked there at the club, in the locker room and staff and whatnot, as you you're right, they all came out there to watch. And I think that victory as much as it meant a Tiger, it meant something to everybody, and that of a comeback story and to hang in there and you know it, I mean as only Tiger can do. It transcended golf and the game evolve so much, and it's just really really cool to see. I gotta hear this shark story. So I had Presidents Cup, so I think the yes, I make the team and the two thousand and three Presidents Cup team, and Tiger said, hey, would you and your wife Heather like to fly down early with Ellen and I I mean, of course no, We'd rather fly commercial with four stops, you know, you were so said, we're gonna go about four or five days early. I want to go great White chart. You're like, why I'm not doing that, because yeah, you're gonna come out on the boat five great. So we fly all the way to Cape Town and his airplane. We get there early and we go out and we're literally on the same boat with the same guys that are on the Discovery Channel. So if there's any Discovery Channel guys out there like myself that it's on, it's by this seal rock off this off Cape Town. But they now owned golf just by the way Discovery. Well I I know it now. We said, we tied that in um. The The idea here is to we keep circling this seal island and this boat, and we're chumming the water, and the idea is to get these great whites up. And great whites are around this area because of the seals. So we chummed this water and driving circles for seven hours and we don't have the faintest kind of a shark and tiger. As they said, a guy that works hard and gets up early, he's impatient and he has had enough. So the cage is on the back of the boat, and he wants that cage in the water so bad he can't see straight. But we haven't had direct contact with a shark to one's in there. So the boat at this point in time, it's roughly a hundred hundred fifty yards or so off of Seal Island, and there are thousands of seals on this island. Well, Tiger, because he was preparing to get in the water in this saying, already had his wet suit on, so it's fully good to go. Wet suit and he's got the thing that kind of goes over his head too, because the water is not worn down there. We're all kind of up to the front of the boat looking to see if we see any sharks or anything, and we hear a splash. Immediately we all turned around and look at what it is, and Tiger has jumped in this water. Now we've been chilling this water for seven hours. Sharks okay, So we're trying to get him up there. This guy jumps in the water and starts swimming straight towards Seal Island with this boat. Captain's screaming to turn around, get back, don't come up there the CLC tiger and they start making all their noises because they don't want them up there. And so anyway, he swam about two thirds of the way there and then came back. He got back in the boat. Now the point of the story is it shows you how the guy thinks. He is furious and I wouldn't even so much put a toe in this water before tying it. And I mean, this is where great white sharks live. We've been trying to get him there, and the guy jumps in the water and go sliming. Um. But at that moment there, I'm like, I know, I can never beat this guy because he's not afraid of anything was ever gonna bother him. I mean, that's and that's your right. That's that's the power he has or had over everybody. Um, you know, when he was on his bed, I mean he knew. It's like the old Jack Nicholas quote about you know, he knew that he was better than everybody else, and he knew that everybody else knew that. You knew so correct a thousand percent. Yes. I mean there was the old story that anytime he showed up to a tournament, everybody else was playing for second place? Is that really what it felt like? You know two thousand from two thousand and really two thousand eight. Well I know that from practicing with him at home prior to if we'd be let's say, hitting balls on a Monday or Tuesday, and he was gonna fly up Tuesday night. There were two tournaments that it was Firestone one year and it was Darrell down at Miami another year where he told me on the Tuesday, y'all I'll win this week. And he he didn't say a cocky he said it just like you say, yeah, yeah, yeah, the sun came up today, and it was just it was a statement of fact. And sure enough he won one of them by eight shots and the other one by three or four. And it was like, oh my gosh, like I don't even see this, how is this guy doing this? And but he said it so calm, He's like, yeah, yeah, I've got it this week. It's good, I'll win this week, and like, okay, I believe him and he did. Wow, Now that's confident. What's that? You never get in his pocket? Played and practiced, no, never being once at home. Never I tied him a couple of times everybod him once And the irony of that is that I beat him in the match flight UM out in Tucson, Arizona, which was incredible because I've never beat the guy ever. So I'm like, what it is here, and I'm like, my goodness, gracious, Like, holy cow, that's awesome, Charles. During this downtime, I know you said you've been playing some golf. Is this kind of like the middle of the season offseason, or like, are you using this time, saying to make any kind of equipment change, whether you try a new driver or try a different three wood, or just are you using this time or is this just complete downtime where you're not making any changes. No, for sure, us this time to work. UM doing a lot of work on my short game. Uh, you know, it's still and I'm still able to face time and send a bunch of videos to my golf instructor, a data nadal quest who's out in California. So there's you know, we're still using it as productive as possible, but still also knowing that it also is important to do other things and rest of it too, because as you said, there's a whole lot of golf coming up, So but yeah, for sure, use it. Try to use the time wisely. I mean, hopefully none of us will ever go through this again, so so use it. I mean, these really are unprecedented times. I mean it's it's like we had said earlier, and you agreed. The players feels like a lifetime ago that we watched that start where you played, and I watched that Thursday round. Whacker was there as well, do you and going back and and I'm not asking you to say whether try it wrong? Did you feel strange playing on that Thursday, knowing that the NBA had canceled the night before and everything that was going on. It was just a weird feeling. And then in the middle of that Thursday round it came out we were gonna play Friday with no fans, and then that stops and they completely canceled the whole thing. Did it feel strange that Thursday? You know, It's funny it even though because I played early on Thursday, so there was there was a crowd out there, but nowhere near what it normally is. It's the players, and it was real quiet, like it wasn't there wasn't a whole lot going on. I'm like, man, this day, This feels really weird. But in the afternoon I was on the range practicing and so and a lot of the bigger names came through that stretch of sort of two three four, and there was a lot more crowds out there, and Rory McElroy, I remember, played late that day and and then the announcement came that we played with no fans on Friday, and I thought, Wow, what an overreaction that is. This is crazy. We should just play the golf tournament as normal. No fans is a blatant overreaction. And then all of a sudden, you you get home and read the news and see the severity of this, and then BAM canceled. And then what happened from Thursday night to that Sunday of how our higher world canceled. It was incredible. And it shows you how uh Naive I and maybe some other guys and players were on Thursday morning teeing off off as if everything is good and we're all fine and life's grant to Thursday night this thing being shut down and what we what's this entire country has gone through? So at the time I had no appreciation at all for the gravity of this Yeah, it really has changed. It's amazing how much has changed and how much and and and where we still have to go to trying to get back to normal, and what is the new normal? Well, things ever be like they were? Probably not? You're you know, you're right, you think about you know, I live in Orlando, so a lot of my have a lot of friends that are executives at Walt Disney World. And even how they reopened theme parks. Um, you know, you take a business like that and it's based on high volume and a relatively small space. How do you do that? You know? What? What does our new normal look like? Going forward? And um is as bad and awful and as painful as it's been to this point, it's it's equally will be difficult figuring out how do we reopen and get back to get back to life. Whack and I are both huge college football fans. He's a Cane and I love the Gators. Even going to a college football game right now feels so foreign to me, Like, I'm not sure that if college football is next month, I'm not sure I go sit in a in a stadium with eighty thousand people and be high five and some stranger next to me that I never you know, I mean, it just it seems so foreign to do that. Now, when do we feel comfortable and how do we get back to that again is the great question? And these are all the questions that I mean, just even the guys in pont of each are having to tackle and uh and our board and our player Advisory Council and all that. I mean, these guys are and and and quite honestly, they're having to answer unanswerable questions. I don't quite think we're gonna know the answer till we get some amount into this, and which my personal opinion is why I think patience and airing on the side of that is better than trying to rush anything through because listen, these are difficult times and a lot of people are hurting through this, and and we don't need any hiccups opening things back up and getting people back to work. Yeah, these are not um it's I don't envy the task that the PGA tour has. I mean, these are difficult questions on precedented ones um as we said, that they've never really had to deal with before. No, I mean, Jay and Monaghan has been a phenomenal commissioner, and I was close to Tim Fincham before him, and you know, j is in the midst of rolling out a nice TV extension and a lot of the positive things, the where the tours going, and then what three or four days later, we're shut down in this hits and yeah, he's got uh yeah, this is when this is when he needs and has a great board around him and people around him and to lean on each other and and make difficult decisions. But you know, in this case, no matter what the industry, we happen to be in golf, you know, everybody's asking the same questions is how do you come back? And when do you come back? And um my goodness, I mean it's they're not easy and they're not not easy times. Yeah, I mean something's got to lead the way. And not to compare what we're going through now to nine eleven, but if you remember in nine eleven, sports is kind of what brought America back together again and got his rolling, whether it was the Yankee game where the president President Bush throughout that first pitch. Uh, sports kind of does that. And in this situation, golf is a sport where you don't have to have contact with another player, unlike basketball or football or baseball, whether it is close proximity with one another. UM, golf can maybe lead the way and kind of get us back to where we are playing sport again, whether it is with or without fans. Um, how do you feel about playing without fans? Is does that change the dynamic of the tournament for you? Um? You know, I've had two instances where I've played without fans. One year up at Congressional right then uh then Dozozo Championship in Tokyo. We we had a day without fans, and it is it's different. There's no way around that that it's different. It feels I like playing practice early on Tuesday morning and it kind of feels like that really nobody out there, half the volunteers or asleep. Um, doesn't quite feel like real golf yet, and it feels a little bit like that. UM. Now I'm on the end where I usually don't have big gallery, so it's not a huge difference for me at times, but the likes of a tiger or feel it's got to feel dramatically different for those guys. Do you do you think it's a benefit for them? Is it a benefit to have less fans and and be able to focus more on the round. Or do they feed off the fans? Well, that's a good question and probably they could answer obviously better than me. But I've got to think, you know, I think they might enjoyce in terms without fans to I mean, they play a far different tournament than I play, There's no doubt about it. I mean, I mean, what what Tiger Woods deal with on a week basis, It would it's far different than say what I deal with. Let me ask you when you're when you're paired with him, for example, Uh, do you enjoy being paired? I know you you're friendly with him, and so you enjoyed the camaraderie of playing around with Tiger, but the fan interaction and the atmosphere. Do you enjoy it when you're paired with him with all the extra people around? Or do you like it better when there's not? Well? Well, I enjoy playing with him because he's Tiger, and whenever you get to play with an massive, iconic individual of your sport, it's great. Um. Now, I also realized the fans are there to watch him, So I found a way to kind of get in my own world. Do my own thing. With that said, it is still more difficult not being used to it, let's say, on a daily basis like he is. I mean, it does take some extra thought and effort to what you just stay and what we're trying to do and and and get through this day. Right, What about a Ryder Cup with no fans? That really seems odd. You know, I've never played a Ryder Cup. I played two Presidents Cups, So from the point of view of that, that seems incredibly odd. I mean, by definition, that event is an exhibition, and it's an exhibition for fans, and and the fans is the rivalry, it's everything. Like I can definitely see a major championship without fans before a Ryder Cup without fans. Yeah, and it's you know, it's a strange atmosphere. I talked to a couple of players about this, just not having grandstands and and um one of them shared a great story about the year jordan'spief wanted colonial of course on late in the in the final round, he hits one that that lands up against the grandstand, of course and gets a drop, gets a free drop, and then Um chips that in for Birke. Well, then and if those grandstands aren't there, which they won't be in six weeks from now, that falls forty yards into the next fairway. So, um, there's there. There isn't a little bit from a golf standpoint, I would imagine like a framing uh in some instances when you do have stands and fans and and Brooks kept Gets said it the other day said, you know, um, some arrant t shots aren't going to get knocked down by by big galleries or marshals or anything like that. You know, the whole time. And let's let's say that the first event back is colonial in that that week of June, it's going to feel weird no matter what from the standpoint of contact with other people, what's appropriate, what isn't? How do I do this again? And then on top of that, if we go out there and see a golf course without the stands and without all the stuff, it will make it feel even more different. So this whole experience, you know, to get from how that event is going to feel and hopefully Lord willing back to how it was before. You know, that's there's gonna be a lot going in there. And I think, uh, my goodness. I mean even think of the seventeenth told the players championship. I mean, you want to see that in case with fans and and and all of this drama and energy, etcetera far greater than you with nothing out there. Um, But if this is our safest and best way back, then for the time being, is what needs to be done? Now? If you played June, if if you play June eleven, have they said how they are they will they test all the players prior to Junia leventh to know that everybody is UH as well? And then how do you keep guys from either going to dinner or how I mean, are they going to test every day? Like? Have they given you any of that information yet on exactly what they plan to do and how they plan to try to keep a safe arena as much as possible to my understanding, No, h, So I haven't heard the specifics of that, and I've got to think they're grinding over that. I mean, you can open up Pandora's box on them, possibilities and scenarios on all of that. And so no, I haven't heard or seen that, And I'm very curious to see what that looks like because there's a lot of jobs at stake here. You know, this is uh, you know, this is players careers and livelihoods, etcetera. So all these decisions and what the ramifications of a positive or negative test could be. Um, it could influence and effect a lot of people in a big way. So this these are these are big decisions coming up for them. Well, I've got just one more question. Um, speaking decisions, you guys, one of the things that always blows my mind is just how um well you're able to recall nearly every shot from every round. So um. Earlier, Brooks kept get today was talking about his worst shots doing it and so we're all doing these Instagram lives and chats and everything. Ricky Elliott his cat, he asked him his best shot, his worst shot, So I want to ask you Brooks bricks had a couple of them. Yeah, he had the shank at the Rodder Cup in s we're playing with with Snead's that and then and then he had one in Honda um as well where he uh ball landed up against the tree and and literally toe shank and what about six inches? So, uh, your worst and best shot of your career would immediately come to mind my worst shot. I've got a couple of um. The first stink I ever hit as a professional was in Jackson, Mississippi, at the tournament there. This was it the old golf course used to play Annandale, I think, what's the name of it. Eighteen toles apart five and in some days is reachable, some days it is not so that. So one day I had to lay this ball up and I can still see it as it was. You have to say, I had sixty five yards in for my third, an easy flag, front of the green, no problem, and I've got this sixty degree wedge out and I'm so excited and I just called shank this ball and it goes straight right into a grand stand to this collective side of Who's and and it's it. It happened so fast, and it's the most awkward, horrendous feeling. Then my next one, it was a series of shots the eleventh hole of Augustine National playing the Masters there. This is Friday's round and I'm paired with Fuzzy Seller and I can't remember my third, but so I'm paired with Fuzzy and I've hit my second shot in that right bunker on eleven and normal conditions, it's not the end of the world type of a bunker, except you're at the Masters and you're staring at raise creak in this pond over here, and I kid in there and I hit this bumber shot and I leave it the bumper because that's my third in my fourth, I leave it the bunker again. But the bumper balls got it forward, and the ball is now sitting on some of the liner of the bumber. Something to myself, I this ball. I can't get the ball out. There's no way this ball is coming out, and I can't hit it in the lake. So I hit this thing what gets this far up out of the bunker and barely trickles on the green, to which Fuzzies Elder walks by and just says tod. And then I start laughing, but at the same time I want to cry because like a triple and so in front of all those people on eleven and twelve and yeah, so those were my two worst moments. If you will, um yes, best shot, um man, Uh, well, I'll tell you. I'll give you. Well, I would say probably it probably would have been one of the shots around uh the end of my day at r s M at mcclattery on Sunday afternoon. It was kind of a windy ish day there. Um the best kind of funniest shot that sort of correlates to Tiger. Um. We're playing the match play at the President's Cup in rural Montreal two thousand seven. We're playing alternate shot and got about a ten ft put to win the match on seventeen. So I'm back there looking at this putt and I read the putt right edge because the tiger I think this is right edge and looked at me and he says, no, no, no, no no, it's it's just outside the left. So the okay, we've missed it. I missed this my five inches here. This is not splitting hairs. This is it's a tiger looks say, I really really like right edge, and he looked at me, said, listen, I'm used to winning and I'm used to making these cuts. Hit it left edge, but fine, I'll do it. I'll do it if I missed it, and let's and it goes right in the middle, so for us to win the match. And as opposed to saying anything, he just looks as thank you, and it wasn't good match, good playing. It was sincerely thank you. And that's one of my better better in competition Tiger stories. That's awesome, and that's almost like the Jordan's Uh watching the Jordan documentary the other night. It's funny how when you watch the Jordan documentary and you see things that he would say, and do you you probably knowing Tiger, probably see a little bit of them in each other in the way that they compete, correct, there's a lot at each other and there's a lot of that that competitive grit of just I'm gonna find a way to win, and where these guys have the ability to transcend oh I'm not hitting it good or I'm struggling or whatever it's and it was no, no no, no, We're just we're just gonna find a way to win. And man, so much of Jordan's entire it's incredible. That's unbelievable, real, real quick. Charles speaks speaking of that, Or do you have days and this is for the amateur golfer, do you have days where you go to the range, whether it's before a tournament or just a normal day when you're gonna go out and play golf and You're just hitting it like ship on the range and you just cannot figure it out. Do you do? Do PG tour pros have those days? Two? Because I know I do, Oh absolutely, And in in fact, I mean that's and honestly, more of golf is that. I mean, we all, we all want golf to be this nice, pretty rap present with a pretty bow on top and so organized and good, and in reality, golf is a mess. And and that's honestly the best advice I can give to anybody is how messy the game is, and embrace that that legit golf is about how do I manage and hit bad shots as opposed to how good are my good ones? Because everybody on the PGA Tour they're good, is really good. What what makes Tiger Woods Tiger was in Phil Micholson him is that they know how to manage their bad to make a score out of it um and and that to me is what makes the greats the greats. I remember andre Agassi in his book talked about winning ugly. Again, those guys just know how to do that. So yes to your question, absolutely, it's there's a ton of days where it's just bad and you've got to find a way. Yeah, there it is, there you go exactly. It's crazy. I remember last year. Justin Thomas last year said he went to the range. I believe it was the Hawaii tournament that he won. Uh. He went to the range and said that the morning he went out, he had the worst warm up session on the range he'd ever had in his career. And then he went out and shot in the low sixties. I mean, it's unbelievable how that stuff happens, you know, it really does happen. Like um, I remember there there was a Tiger was playing. I came here, what year the Master's which one he won? But he told me on Sunday, said my warm up was so bad. And he said, Charles, if if you could have seen it that I stayed at the range longer than I normally do and which I had a much shorter putting session before he went to the first team, and he said, I was on the range and just trying to find anything. And I came up with, you know what, I'm just gonna hit big cuts until I can figure this thing out on the golf course. So this is even the greatest we've ever seen in the biggest tournament on Sunday and that happens, and and then the fact he finds out a way to win it. That that is it was a ear he beat Christa marco Um in a playoff, but it was just as they can do that. That's it, Yes, that's it. Wow, that's a great That was just on the other day too. They're showing a lot of old golf matches now, obviously with nothing new to be played on television. Yes, they showed that a couple weeks ago. That was the one with the famous chip in on SI and he bogeed seventeen and eighteen if you remember, yes, and maybe his golf swing that day because Tiger Woods is never gonna miss that sixteenth bring left and he's never boge in seventeen eighteen to lose, sir, two years to playoff, I should say. So you could tell he was fighting his golf swing that and he still finds a way to win, right. Unbelievable. Charles, Thank you so much for your time. Really really appreciate it. Man. Well listen, thanks for having me on and I hope to hope see you guys sometime in June. Absolutelyly man, stay well, take care of your family and good luck as the tour season picks back up in June and moving forward. We'll tell you guys, I appreciate it. Brian, We'll see you down the road, buddy. Thanks, Charles. Alright, yes, all right y'all. Have a good night, you too, Charles Seaman buddy, Okay, see you