While Andrea Rubin lay unconscious and severely burned after a car fire, her father told doctors to do everything they could to keep her alive. She would need many surgeries. Her quality of life wouldn’t be the same. Her friends were outraged. They told doctors that Andrea would not want to live that way. While Andrea was being kept alive on a ventilator, her loved ones fought about what would be best for her. In this episode, we explore how medical decisions are made for patients who are incapable of deciding for themselves.

Show notes:
In addition to Andrea Rubin, this episode features interviews with:

Jeffrey Kahn, Andreas C. Dracopolous Director of the Johns Hopkins Berman Institute of Bioethics

Monica Gerrek, Co-director of the Center for Biomedical Ethics at MetroHealth System (where Andrea was treated)

You can learn more about Andrea’s case here. 

A similar case to Andrea’s happened in the 1970s. A man named Dax Cowart repeatedly asked doctors to let him die after suffering severe burns. But the doctors continued to treat him against his wishes. Here’s an interview with Mr. Cowart ten years after his accident, where he talks about his experience with the Washington Post. Dr. Gerrek wrote a paper comparing the two cases, and showing how medical decision making for severe burn patients has evolved over the past 50 years. 

For further reading about medical decision making and patient autonomy, visit the Berman Institute’s episode guide. 

The Greenwall Foundation seeks to make bioethics integral to decisions in health care, policy, and research. Learn more at greenwall.org.

While Andrea Rubin lay unconscious and severely burned after a car fire, her father told doctors to do everything they could to keep her alive. She would need many surgeries. Her quality of life wouldn’t be the same. Her friends were outraged. They told doctors that Andrea would not want to live that way. While Andrea was being kept alive on a ventilator, her loved ones fought about what would be best for her. In this episode, we explore how medical decisions are made for patients who are incapable of deciding for themselves.
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Show notes: In addition to Andrea Rubin, this episode features interviews with:
<a href="https://bioethics.jhu.edu/people/profile/jeffrey-kahn/">Jeffrey Kahn</a>, Andreas C. Dracopolous Director of the Johns Hopkins Berman Institute of Bioethics
<a href="https://case.edu/medicine/bioethics/about/faculty-staff/monica-l-gerrek">Monica Gerrek</a>, Co-director of the Center for Biomedical Ethics at MetroHealth System (where Andrea was treated)
You can learn more about Andrea’s case <a href="https://news.metrohealth.org/the-story-of-andrea-hope-rubin/">here</a>. 
A similar case to Andrea’s happened in the 1970s. A man named Dax Cowart repeatedly asked doctors to let him die after suffering severe burns. But the doctors continued to treat him against his wishes. Here’s an <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1983/06/26/a-happy-life-afterward-doesnt-make-up-for-torture/ab680b30-237b-4b7a-b6da-1f7ab3da9208/">interview</a> with Mr. Cowart ten years after his accident, where he talks about his experience with the Washington Post. Dr. Gerrek wrote a <a href="https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/getting-past-dax/2018-06">paper</a> comparing the two cases, and showing how medical decision making for severe burn patients has evolved over the past 50 years. 
For further reading about medical decision making and patient autonomy, visit the Berman Institute’s <a href="https://bioethics.jhu.edu/research-and-outreach/the-dracopoulos-bloomberg-bioethics-ideas-lab/projects/playing-god/episode-1/">episode guide</a>. 
The Greenwall Foundation seeks to make bioethics integral to decisions in health care, policy, and research. Learn more at <a href="http://greenwall.org/" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=http://greenwall.org/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1697728099647000&amp;usg=AOvVaw2sV9oBud1Ft5ODzuqYWL69">greenwall.org</a>.

Life-and-death dilemmas. New medical technologies. Controversial treatments. In playing god? we hear from the patients whose lives were transformed—and sometimes saved—by medical innovations and the bioethicists who help guide complex decisions.

Ventilators can keep critically ill people alive, but when is it acceptable to turn the machines off? Organ transplants save lives but when demand outpaces supply how do we decide who gets them? Increasingly, novel reproductive technologies can help people have babies in ways that are far beyond what nature allows. So, when should such “Brave New World” technologies be introduced and who should control them? 

playing god? is hosted by Lauren Arora Hutchinson, Director of the iDeas Lab at the Johns Hopkins Berman Institute of Bioethics. 

playing god? is a co-production of Pushkin Industries and the Berman Institute of Bioethics at Johns Hopkins University, with generous support from The Greenwall Foundation. New episodes drop every Tuesday.

The Berman Institute has created a guide for each episode where you can learn more about the guests, the history, and the ethics issues at: bioethics.jhu.edu/playing-god

Life-and-death dilemmas. New medical technologies. Controversial treatments. In playing god? we hear from the patients whose lives were transformed—and sometimes saved—by medical innovations and the bioethicists who help guide complex decisions.
Ventilators can keep critically ill people alive, but when is it acceptable to turn the machines off? Organ transplants save lives but when demand outpaces supply how do we decide who gets them? Increasingly, novel reproductive technologies can help people have babies in ways that are far beyond what nature allows. So, when should such “Brave New World” technologies be introduced and who should control them? 
playing god? is hosted by Lauren Arora Hutchinson, Director of the iDeas Lab at the Johns Hopkins Berman Institute of Bioethics. 
playing god? is a co-production of Pushkin Industries and the Berman Institute of Bioethics at Johns Hopkins University, with generous support from The Greenwall Foundation. New episodes drop every Tuesday.
The Berman Institute has created a guide for each episode where you can learn more about the guests, the history, and the ethics issues at: <a href="http://bioethics.jhu.edu/playing-god" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=http://bioethics.jhu.edu/playing-god&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1697728099647000&amp;usg=AOvVaw1qmlNSYneUfyWNEnZchoSU">bioethics.jhu.edu/playing-god</a>

playing god?

I Would’ve Let You Die, Too

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/177a520b-8869-4c8f-a711-b0910104d020/transcript

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