That’s what happens we make prayer a ritual, something we have to do. Something we feel we’ve got to get just right, or it won’t count. That’s religion, and religion always gets in the way of experiencing the love of Jesus.

Wife, mom, author, and speaker Asheritah Ciuciu joins the podcast to help us jettison religion and learn to delight in Jesus!

Perry shares how he deeply connected with Jesus last Saturday evening but wonders with Asheritah how he can experience that more often.

Perry and Asheritah share about how prayer can get in the way of delighting in Jesus. When we look at prayer as a to do list.

Then a huge barrier to delighting in Jesus is burnout. What do we do when we have zero energy for prayer?

And Lucy, a Perry and Shawna listener asks, “When I stop doing, doing, doing, how do I get past the feeling that I should be doing something?” Asheritah reminds us of the truth that frees us from our frenzy!

Also in this episode, Perry shares, “I have learned through my journey how to forgive myself, how to accept the forgiveness that Jesus offers that has no fine print.”