Are there lies you’re believing about yourself that are keeping you from stepping into all God has for you? Shawna remembers the first time she thought her life didn’t matter and how that one thought has influenced her. Perry and Shawna talk about how to take captive those poisonous thoughts.

Perry’s excited about the release of his new song “Crashed Into Grace (Acoustic Version).” He admits thinking that maybe this is the song that will put his music on the map. But then wonders, “If that happens, will that give me the deep fulfillment my heart longs for?

Then, Perry marvels that all of his worst sins were committed after he started following Jesus. How is that even possible??

Shawna was so sad to find out her daughter wasn’t available to meet with her over the phone like they do every week. She had been anticipating that time together. It made her wonder, “Is this how God feels about me? Does He look forward to our talks like I look forward to talking with my daughter?”

Perry admits, “All my life I’ve tried to get the verdict that I’m a good person by winning. But God has allowed me to lose so many times.” It’s a conversation about the beauty of losing.