Without denying the real pain we carry, Lina shows Christians how to rediscover joy…how God’s presence is promised in every valley, trial and tribulation.

Lina Abujamra is a Pediatric ER doctor & the founder of Living with Power Ministries. Her latest book is Still Standing - Following Jesus Even When it Hurts.

She joins Perry & Shawna for an honest conversation about our desire to control all of life, how following Jesus doesn’t look like what we thought it would, wrestling with knowing God can change everything in a moment during our long suffering, and how our feelings can betray us.

If you’re struggling to walk faithfully with God through your struggle this conversation will remind you that God is with you and that it’s possible to experience joy on the road marked with suffering.

Also, in 2016 Shawna hit a low point. She remembers having to pull off the road, weeping as she listened to Danny Gokey’s “Tell Your Heart To Beat Again.” When it feels like life is over – it could be just beginning.

Last, the greeter at church said to Perry one Sunday morning, “Why so glum??” That was a pick me up. Not! But then he experienced the transformative power of God’s presence. It’s all about the gift of gathering together, in person, to worship.