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All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here at Jillette Stadium. It's cut down day around the NFL. The Patriots have already started that process, and we're going to get into that. They played their last preseason game against the Commanders, in which I think young Drake May had a pretty good showing for himself, the best yet so far, showing off what he possibly could do. And of course the debate heats up of whether or not he should start right off the bat, and of course we'll get into all of that. It's Deuce, it's Evan, it's Paul, it's myself, it's Matt and the booth, and we're here for the next two hours talking about Patriots. And there's a lot to talk about. Because I can't wait. The Cincinnati Bengals are around the corner a week from this Sunday coming up, and.
He's like to beat, He's like giddy, yeah, excited we were done with all that preseason.
I mean, I love we talked about that. I agree, a little bit of a chance to catch your breath here for a couple of days. I mean, there's a lot going on today.
But everything is now looking forward to the regular season. Yeah, you know, well we.
Look a little back at training camp maybe and things that have come together, and.
Fred, Fred, do that on your own. But most importantly, let's talk about the news of the day, which is cut down day. Patriots have already cut about seventeen guys, well the unofficial by the way, yeah, okay, I should have.
You know some of them have been fourteen of them.
Oh yeah, correct, the ones we did. We did release fourteen guys yesterday, so.
Reportedly about at about twenty five guys that have been reportedly.
Of course, the big news reportedly, I think it's Tom Pelisaro came out with the report with zappy Bailey, zappy yeah, outright cut which I think most fans what was the option I think most well, you know a lot of fans were hoping you could pull off a six or seventh round trade for him for a team that needs a backup. But and I'm sure the Patriots tried.
Well, I still could.
I mean, that's one thing that does happen sometimes on cutdown days. You put it out there, this guy is gonna get waved and then to jump everybody on the or in the pecking order, somebody might throw a conditional sixth or seventh round pick.
Point because again these aren't official. Uh, it could be just to see what the market is.
So how about the fourteen that the Patriots did make official? Mic, you have that list, like from oh the ones yesterday on from yesterday.
You had to throw me a curveball.
I just have them all, So let's we'll skip those. Evan's going to look up the release.
Why don't you start with some of the names that we've heard today from various sources.
Well, just starting with some of the big names. I mean, Zappi was a big one. Kevin Harris was kind of an interesting name, along with Jashn Fenwick who was on the official list yesterday, and Terrell Jennings is another unofficial.
I think it's Harris is an official, right, No, if he does get cut that to me, that's a mild surprise. Cut.
I would agree, yeah, mild surprise, yep, I would agree, yeah, yeah.
I had him in, but.
Not biased on anything you did, just because I figured they have to have some running backs on the team, because you guys tell me that that's important. I do, no, I agree, like for like four running backs to me would seem to be the minimum. Yes, if you want to be a running team, which they keep telling me ye so, And even when either he's coming back or they're going to sign.
Even when they were less a running team, they've kept five.
Yeah, the Cleveland kept three last year, and so that was the only reason why I was considering only keeping three, because that seems to be a VP's mo o of how many he needs to start the season. But I thought Kevin Harris had an okay camp. I mean, I'm not saying that he's Emman Smith, but like I, I feel like he had a decent camp. Looked a little bit more comfortable, more decisive this year with his with his reads.
But I was mildly surprised, like this.
Touchdown of the night we talked about in the postgame show, I.
Was a little burst, a little burst.
I think he got a lot of chances this summer. You know, it's just he seemed like he was always out there.
And they cut Bishop Fenwick.
This, yeah to Shaun Fenwick, who was in and out. Uh yeah, So Sam Roberts, Tucker Addington among those bang out.
So this is fourteen names. Tucker Addington, Kawan Baker, William Bradley King, Josiah Brunton, Steel Chambers, Deshaun Fenwick, is Easy, Hearn, Zuri, Henry, Christian McCarroll, Michael Petaway, Sam Roberts, Charles Turner, Mikey Victor, Jacob Warren.
Yep, that was the official.
So those those fourteen were made official yet yesterday with a release by the Patriots that they.
Really the only name there is Sam Roberts.
Yeah, you know, yeah, somebody's been around a little bit of draft pick, late round draft pick.
So the one guy on that list that I was I wouldn't put in surprise, but a guy that I thought was pretty active all summer and a number of different venues was William Bradley King.
Yeah.
I thought he showed some versatility. You know, maybe he's a practice squad candidate.
I don't know that.
The date early kind of tells me maybe not, but yeah, I don't know. I thought he kind of flashed for a guy I knew nothing about. I thought he flashed a little bit during the summer.
Yeah, he had one rush in the game on Sunday night on third down, I said, t and stunt. He came wrapped around, like look look the part there, and then he had about three or four blown edges and I was like, at first I wrote down, like, oh, okay, William Bradley King check checking some boxes here.
And then as.
The game war on.
The the ability to set the edge really started to be an issue for him.
So now do you want to get into the just reports.
Yeah, some of some of the reports I think that are that are interesting were Mitchell Wilcox, who was really really involved. I mean they had a bunch of injuries. Yeah, then they then he got injured too, and that kind of I think really hurt his chances probably, but could sign for Jahem Bell, who rookie, you know, seventh round pick. I think has showed some some speed.
I mean, I know Matt Smith very high on Jahem, be very high on him, very high.
On he can move. I'm intrigued by him. I mean I kind of like what it signals just that, and of course think these guys could be back, but who knows what what how injured Mitchell Wilcox was our guy. Terrell Jennings another report which hopefully is a practice squad guy. Thought he was somebody who just didn't get a lot of chances, I mean limited. I think he did lead the team in rushing for whatever that means, uh in preseason. Josh Bledsoe another reported guy who has been around a little bit, and you know one of their safeties that that they always seem to pick up every season. So and then there was one more I was gonna I was gonna mention Zappi of course, Yeah, he's an Arman Watts too, just another guy that you thought when they brought him in you lost Lawrence guy when Barmore went down. Could he maybe be an interior rusher guy. He didn't really do anything all summer. I didn't really ever see him pop at all once, ye, jeremiahpoint.
No, I wasn't on the postgame show, as you.
Know, because that was Yes, we had a strong show. Did Ellis make your Christian Ellis?
Did he make your list of a coin flip on that one?
On the Goods.
The Goods he was I think he did because I talked about it, because we talked about him and Bradley King as being kind of active in the game.
Now he went off with a head injury, right and he did not return.
I think he got concussed on that play.
So could that help him actually stay on the team.
I think he's probably going to be on the team again. It was last year.
Yeah, I mean it just I know that there's like this notion that there won't be any special teams guys. There will be special teams guys because you need four guys, Like there's still special teams to worry about. Maybe they won't have as many guys that aren't involved. But Brandon's school are going to be on the team and he won't be the only one. Yeah, So yeah, I think christianelle Is could stay. I think Mike did we have him on the final one.
I think we went with Joel's Harris on that one.
Paul kind of a point flipped there and just like we were listening to the open Evan, you know, full disclosure, I did not say I'm just going to do everything the opposite of that. First of all, I would have had to have looked at it to be able to ignore it, like I didn't. People, I didn't say, well, it's just yeah, like everything I hate about content.
But whatever the content I hate, I hate, I hate hate content I hate.
I said, it's everything I hate about content. I didn't say I hate content.
Well, Evan and I were talking about it's kind of like mock drafts, and like, I'm a mock draft guy, but I can't bring myself on the fifteen.
Ten roster projections are the mock drafts of training camp. There's nothing that clicks more than an fifty three yeard.
And that was my point, not I hate content.
By the way, and now you get into fantasy football.
Thanks to your your finger wagging of me. I got guilted into doing it last Friday while I was on the radio, and the hardest part was coming up with fifty three players. I only had fifty one, I said, Melan, though I did, and I only forgot one guy. Yeah, oh Shane Zimminis.
I like it.
It was the only guy that I forgotten.
And I texted Mike and I said, listen, I only have fifty one guys.
I know this.
Somebody obvious that I'm missing, And evidently there wasn't anybody obvious that I was missing. But he was the one guy that I said, you know, he's I think he's in.
I think he's got some potential.
Yeah.
We we had some conversations in the press box before the game. Small media contingent on the road for a preseason game, but there's a godless there was interesting to me. Yeah, that's been the last couple of years. Last year in Tennessee was pretty small.
Great. I saw most of the game, but some of it was blocked out by this it person who decided that she was going to test all the ports in front of us in the middle of the game.
Yeah, yeah, I.
Purpose No, I think somebody else grunted and she realized, oh, oh, I'm sorry. Are you actually trying to watch the game?
How long did they go for it before?
Minutes?
Now? If they changed that press box, I haven't been there all. No, it's terrible. Is it still the one that's low and in the corners. Yes, that's tough.
That's a tough it's a very you can you have no perspective?
Yeah, tough.
So even and all their stats crew was right in the press box next to us, says, you know, in our press box, you only hear them. You don't see them, and you only hear them when they put the speaker on. These people right next to us, and it's constant blah blah blah blah blah. And they have no perspective either, so it's like where's the ball, like yelling at each other.
That's probably a tough place to do stats from.
They didn't even know, They had no idea how long. They had no idea how long that final field goal attempt was or no, the sixty four yard Yeah, they thought it was fifty four yards. And it was a mess.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I turned to the person sitting next to me at one point and was like, is it just me or is it really hectic in here tonight? It was just there's so much noise and people moving around and then the tech it lady, and I was just like, I'm just.
Trying to watch the game.
Is a working environment?
Yeah, we all settle down.
They have a candy bar, No, but they had hot some jars.
That's the way you got hot dogs in the press box. Threads.
That should be mandatory. Every press box should have hot dogs.
Glizzies.
You know, I don't care what brand, but just just have hot.
Dogs, popcorn, popcorn, popcorn.
You like the popcorn, you teeth.
I'm lucky to have to write during because if I didn't have to write during the game, I would just be munching popcorn or like sour Patch candy, like that whole game. So it's probably good keep my fingers active.
You're a big sour patch kid.
Watermelons, that's that's not good for your teeth.
I don't do them that much, but I don't worry nowhere candies cut three years. I got a cleaning yesterday, thumbs up, no cavities, don't worry pop up the way now. But I got the bag with the mini you know, to toothpaste and a new.
Toothbrush, travel gear, travel travel floss. Okay, so back to football.
So we've got the yeah, Born and Strange pup are of reports as well.
Yeah yeah, those those are not Taki Taki, not taki yet all right.
And he was running a little bit on that lower field. I don't know what it means, but yeah, maybe.
Henning Born ran a marathon.
Yeah, you know, I would just say too with like Ellis McMillan, Giles Harris, Tacky Taki kind of all the same guy to me.
I mean McMillan's a little bigger and more of the like that kind of traditional maybe like a Bentley kind of replacement to me, whereas Taki Taki and a little bit more active, kind of like that Mac Wilson thing of the past.
I just don't know how.
It's like more of a pass game kind of together.
So with the if you add up, if the reports and the ones that are official, what have we got about six more guys to.
Go now we're at sixty five.
We're at sixty five now, Yeah, okay, so we've got twelve guys to go.
Yes, I mean some of them, Like I said earlier, David Wallace is just by. We could probably get it down to probably fifty six fifty five guys. It's really just sixty five technically.
You know, del Pettis and Jotham Russell are the only two kind of undrafted rookie guys.
I think del Pettis if like Josh Bledsoe was one of the guys that's reportedly gone, I think that could mean that del Pettis might have a role.
Yeah, Jathan Russell. I think does he stay on the practice squad like.
He's a seventeenth practice squad guy.
Right for no apparent reason.
No, no penalty, It doesn't pass away play, he doesn't count.
So why do you think that there are some players that they announced early in that fourteen person press release and some that they're waiting to announce.
Well, the guys that they announced yesterday, I would assume we're not close to making the roster, and you put your name out there earlier, so you get a little bit of a headstart, whereas maybe you wait a little bit longer, and in that way there you can sneak some guys through to the practice squad. Like the guys that come down to like the very bitter end are usually the ones that you're trying to keep under wraps for as long as possible.
Yeah, like all the cornerbacks, you know, that whole group of you know, Seam Wade, Isaiah Boulden or Sells, all those guys still seem to be around. I think that's a spot maybe where I'd like to maybe hang onto some of those guys.
It's a good question, though, Fred, and I don't I don't have a good answer for it. But because they didn't practice. Yeah, Like so they come back, you know, maybe they're just I mean getting final evaluations from a healthstap, you know, like however.
Came announcing like veterans are like just as a you know, a little pat in the back. Get them out early so they can hook on with another team. But like these guys, what does.
It matter practicing today?
No?
No, So that's the only thing that ever comes into my mind is when you know a guy is gonna get cut, you cut him because you don't want to risk something happening on the practice field. And case they're coming back from Washington's you know, early morning hours Monday, they haven't practiced, they're not they I don't know why you would release fourteen guys yesterday and not just you know whatever forty today, right, Yeah, but the thirty whatever.
Yeah, there will be more guys released today and they'll have to have a press release because those are mandatory by four o'clock. So we'll see what happens.
Do you remember last year even do we get the official Yeah, I was gonna say six o'clock, it's mandatory day file to the league.
League.
Yeah, we'll see what time we get the press release, the.
Whole New World.
I don't know about the press release, but we'll know four o'clock, the Whole New World.
That's what they keep saying.
We'll see Yeah, okay uh. And then, of course the big discussion is what's going to happen week one at the quarterback position. And I think if you watch the game, especially this third game, you saw the potential of Drake May. You know, the athletic ability that no other quarterback on this team has except for maybe Joe Milton. But you add that with, you know, his readiness and ability to play the position both from the mental and physical standpoint. There's no one better on this roster right now than Drake May. But you know there are other factors that the coaches are taken into consideration, the state of the team so on that you know, maybe the best guy doesn't start. But as anybody here's opinions changed since the last time we had our show.
No, I still think that May should start week one, just like I did when they drafted them in April.
Yeah yeah, play May.
Yeah.
No, I still go back to your argument last Thursday, Deuce, And in case anybody wasn't watching It made a lot of sense to me in that it's a brand new offense with brand new coaches, coaches who have never coached these players in that offense in a regular season, So nobody knows what this offense is going to look like. Yeah, you know, when the season starts, nobody knows. And is it a good idea to see what the offense looks like first before you insert Drake May into it? So at least you have a bar. Okay, here's what the offense looks like. Now let's see what effect Drake May has on the offense.
That's where I'm still at. Fred. I mean, I'll diverge from the boys here. I'm not I don't need to start him next week. I don't need to start him against this defense, these first two defenses. I'm gonna let Jacobe go out there. I want to see what the real problems are. I want to see what a real game plan looks like and what, you know, how they actually try to put things together, and you know, then I want to get him in this year. But I just don't need to start him next week against Cincinna.
But like what you just said, let's see what the problems are you know if you put may if may starts, is he part of the problem or is he not part of the problem. You don't know because you don't know what it looked like without him. So to me, that's the only kind of argument that makes any type of sense to not start May.
Well, what if he's not ready mentally? Like what if he doesn't know the offense?
But I think the coaches would know that.
Well, yeah, well, but.
That's an argument to not stot them, right. I don't know the like, I'm not saying that, I don't know the answer to that. I'm just saying, yeah, that's not the only reason Mayo wouldn't start them.
If I think that's a given. I think that's a given. If may isn't mentally ready, then he shouldn't.
Start, right.
But I think that people sort of watch the preseason games and they say, well, he's ready, Like, how do you It's just not about skills, no, Like, again, we're going to go back to April. We knew that he had more skill than Jacobe Brisstt.
Yeah, I mean you're not scheming in these preseason games. You're playing against second and third uh, you know, guys on the depth chart, so you don't know. You really don't know. He's not running really the offense yet, so you you know, mentally, it's hard for us to judge. Now, the coaches know because they they know what's supposed to be happening in practice. They know how he is in the film room, so the page, the coaches have a good idea of whether or not he's mentally ready.
Yeah, I can't speak to the practice piece of it as much because we don't watch the film of practice.
We don't know, we don't know what we're looking at.
Well, I wouldn't say that. I just would say that we don't have the.
Film a practice.
I would I would say that.
No, I'm just saying I would say that about any of us, Like we've all watched plenty of practice over the years to know what it looks like on a football field and whether or not it's working or not, Like we.
Know what it's working. But again, this is the whole PFF argument of of how they grade things. They don't like. You look at a blocking uh you know, the offensive line, and you see the tackle make a big mistake. Well, you don't know if it was because there was bad communication with the guard or if the tackle was just you know, just got beaten. That's you know, that happen. It's more than you think.
Maybe I just feel like, you know, Paul has been watching training camp practices. Not to make you feel old, Paul, but for twenty years. Like I think Paul has an eye for the game.
And I think we all do, yeah in that respect, but you know, we don't know what play they're actually running and how it you know, if the quarterbacks saw it the way it's supposed to be seen. That again, that happens more often than you think. And you know, you get back to the film room and what we thought was the problem on the play really wasn't.
You know.
Yeah, that definitely happens during games, and you know, you watch it live and you think one thing and you go back and watch it. I this, they're in a really tough spot. Like they're in a pickle right now at this quarterback situation because he's the best quarterback on the team, like Drake's the best quarterback on the team. He's ready to play. Oh yeah, they're not ready for him, you know. And to douce his point, if you give it a month, does the offensive line kind of declare itself and maybe settle down a little bit. Do you understand what you're good at and what you're not good at, and how you're going to move the ball offensively, and then you put the better quarterback in and then it elevates it even a little.
Bit more from where it was with Jacobi brissaid.
If they were in a situation, you know, let's just use Chicago as an example, with Keenan Allen and DJ Moore and Real madoone, say Cole Comet, there would be no question in anybody's mind who was starting Week one for the Patriots.
Because there's no question on anyone's mind what the offense is.
You know what I mean, Well, he just has more talent around him, That's.
What I mean. Like you're you're sure of what's around him right now. We don't know how these guys are going to perform. I don't know how Poke is going to be, and.
I just don't like that as a reason, Like if he's not ready, then that's the only reason why I would say he shouldn't play. If they If Gerard Mayo thinks he needs more time to develop to sort of understand, you know what game plans are going to be and all that stuff, then I can I can accept it.
Otherwise I'm with Evan, like, yeah, I just.
All that stuff to me.
But it's in the same bucket of like is it just better to just be patient and just let him go through the motions of watching Jacob Prisett prepare for a game and watching how he handles game day and all these different little things. And then on top of that, now you get AVP gets his feet wet, puck calling plays, and the offensive line maybe comes together a little bit better, and you just sort of, let's say, a month from now, have a better idea of what your strengths and weaknesses are as an offense. That if you go in there and you put Drake May in week one, then he's now the crash test on me. Like, let Jacoby Brissett kind of do that sort of thing. Not that I want him to get hurt, but like, let him sort of go through those growing pains with the offense. That there is a good argument for that, but I think it's disappointing that they've put themselves in this position, that the offensive line is in such a current disarray that their best quarterback is.
Not going to be playing.
Yeah, and now you have to go in there and you have to look at the defense and Jabrill Peppers and Kyle Dugger and Devon Godshaw and all the Kean White and say to them, sorry, but we can't throw Drake to the Wolves. He's twenty one years old. He's you know, we're not gonna do that. And they're gonna go on the other side of the ball and they're gonna be like, well, we got Burrow and Jamar Chase in week one and we're gonna have our hands full and we can't score on offense like that. That's not a great feeling.
Yeah, I mean, I would also just point out that Jacoby Brissett has started games against Cincinnati. He's familiar with what they do. He's beaten that team before. I'm just saying to Paul, two of the last three times Cleveland has played Cincinnati, they've run the ball forty times. So to me, that sounds like a conservative. Hey, Jacobe, go out there and hand it off a bunch. And I'd also say week two, you've got Mike McDonald, who is arguably the hottest young defensive coordinator who is going to put Drake may in a literal blender out there. So if you want to throw him out there against that, you know, I get it, Like I'm gonna be kind of like, God, we got to watch Brissette, Like, I'm with you, guys, But I do think that that's part of it too. The teams that he's specifically going to be going up against. Is he going to even have a chance out there?
You know?
And is it or is it gonna be he's gonna have guys falling around his legs and he's gonna have to run and throw like let you Kobe deal with it first couple of weeks.
No, it's it's not a it's a fair argument because you have no idea how this offensive line is going to be.
I just think Paul's thing is ultimately true, though he's not ready yet. He doesn't know. I'm not I'm not saying no, but I think that I'm not saying that's what I'm saying at your point that he's like, it's more it's not any of the stuff. It's that it's.
Because a couple of people have like snapped back and me like, you know, well, Paul says he's not ready, So he can't play.
No, No, I'm not saying you're not. I just think that's what the reason I'm not gonna says get You're gonna have Mike McDonald out there throwing all these crazy who's coming, Who's going? And Drake May is going to be like, oh my god, I hadn't.
Seen you know.
I just I like him.
It's gonna what's like a rookie quarterback, It's going to be that you're in a blender. Like that's that's a given. I just if he is, if he's done everything that they wanted him to do and he's ready to go, Like, at some point he's going to be in the blender, I don't care if it's in week six, week eight, week one. Like I want the blender part to be over with as quickly as we can, as long as he's ready to go.
If he's not, then I'm okay with the patient approach. Yeah, like the whole like what do you guys think?
You know?
The offensive line?
Obviously they had a lot of issues the other night with alignment with penalties and whatnot, but a lot of people have sort of looked at it and said, and I haven't seen what you've had to say about your film review, but like it was pretty good, like otherwise, like a WHENU was openly defiant after the game. You know, Mayo was saying they were in the backfield, and when you're saying, no, we were fine, like that worries me too. I didn't think it was fine.
I thought may looked like he was sort of making a lot of plays on his own, a lot.
Of plays on his own, and also a lot of plays with people all over him. Yeah, to the point where he didn't have room to follow through, which I was worried about him hurting it.
And it's a really short amount of time that he played. And you know, like I just my impression. I didn't think it was great.
No, My impression in what we saw a little bit on social media yesterday was that you can highlight individual plays along the offensive line that we're promising, but as together as a whole, working as a unit, it was a mess.
The only thing I could say on a positive side is how much better will it look when David Andrews is in there? And I think there's something to be said for that, Like it's an important position. Van Pelt says that in particular for that offense. The center does a lot, and he's a big upgrade, you know, no offense to Nick Leverrett. He's really not a center. So I think that's a big difference. But I didn't like what I saw individually for most of those guys, and I don't know if that's the reason why you're not playing him. I don't really like it because I think you can you can learn from that. I think you can get some benefit from playing if he's ready to play. That's always my caveat.
Yeah, So I'm not going to sit here and say the offense the line was good the other night, because I'm not gonna lie to people and say that the penalties were absolutely inexcusable. That being said that when you watch the film back in the first half, that it wasn't as bad as it ran the ball watching live, they only allowed seven pressures on twenty seven twenty six dropbacks. It's about twenty seven percent, which is pretty good. You know, thirty percent is anything below thirty is good. Anything over thirty you're starting to get into danger zone. So twenty seven percent is not bad. I know it's against backups and all that, but when you actually watch when they weren't aligned improperly and getting flagged left and the right, and you just actually snapped the ball and had the play go off. They actually did an okay job, and really, to me, the one guy who just was dreadful was Chokes And if you take him, he had four penalties and he had three of the seven quarterback pressures allowed. So half of the all the issues with the offensive line was one guy.
What do you think why do you think he kept lining up that way because he's cheating? No, I know why he's like, but why again and again and again and again.
Yeah, I mean, look a lot of linemen, you know, Juwan Taylor with the Chiefs is kind of the reason why this is even a story.
Uh, he did it a lot last year.
It was they were a lot of games on national TV for Kansas City, and like we know around here, when the when that spotlight's on you, it becomes a thing.
Right.
It's kind of like the Patriots, you know, being physical with the cults receivers and then all of a sudden it's an emphasis that we're not going to allow contact down the field.
So he they.
It seems like a lot of linemen try to cheat that just a little bit and get away with it. They also try to cheat the snap and get away with it too, And it's just a matter of do you have a crew that's being strict about it and how much are you after does it?
Once? You know, in a particular guy like I, I understand, I'm going to test this ref I'm gonna see what my limits are. But after you realize, okay, he's gonna call me, why did he keep doing?
That's what Reese asked Mayo yesterday. I mean, that's what Reese was trying to get out, Like what And I mean, I just go back to the summer in training camp. He was one of the main offenders of all the false starts, the rehuddles. This is I don't have a lot of confidence in its seven right now. I'm adding him to my list of the surprise candidates.
Yeah, for that reason.
Well, I it the thought crossed my mind watching it back yesterday that he might be trying to get him his way out of town. Maybe he's not happy about the flip flopping of left and right and you know, basically paying him nothing to be a starting left tackle and those types of things.
Maybe that.
You know, Trent Brown went through that with the with the team too, when they paid him like a right tackle and then we're playing him at left. I don't that's purely speculative.
But you lie.
You got called for four penalties in one half. You're aligning incorrectly, You're giving up pressure left and right.
Like it just the effort was He's not about repeater.
I mean, that is the effort part is why I was thinking, Yeah, the.
Ever repeater thing, Like I'm like, they would have old Rashime would have pulled that guy out of the game.
I feel like, well, and then you know, like I do agree that there are times where you know, the league looks at and says, you know, we have some things that we want to emphasize, and it's a national TV game.
Good, good time to do it right. Why was it only on one team?
Yeah?
Yeah, because there was only one team doing it right right?
You know, like this whole notion it was like a flag happy ref which by the way, Sean Hockily only did the first half. He didn't do the whole game, and there were plenty of flags in the second half too.
What do we got, Chad Roland, Yeah, Joey Chad, that's a big one. Adam Schefter.
So Joey Sly wins the kicking competition.
I just think that was where it was trending. Yeah, Sly was was better, especially late.
I think you know, when you could perceive that as when it got sort of important, when you know it's really down to the pressure rises.
I think the last two practices, Ryland was like one for four at the end of practice.
Yeah, definitely had one was four for four, one for four.
Yeah, it was much better for Sly forty five plus two, and I feel like that's really what separates kickers. Like every kicker in the NFL, for the most part, is pretty good from forty and in it's you know, the distance kicks, and Joey's Sly was much more accurate from forty five plus.
So, I mean there's some resolution there. That's probably not what they wanted. They probably wanted Ryland to win that job as a fourth round pick and whatnot, But I think Sly was better.
Yeah, Yeah, competition.
Okay, Well there's a little breaking news, not official though, right official Adam Schefter though Adam Schefter, yeahah Shifter is usually reliable source.
So the you know, like just that whole thing with the with the flags. Yeah, I do think that all those things are probably accurate. I just don't think it explains it. And to me, the bigger thing is twofold one. It's the shots that we're seeing of Scott Peters and Mayo specifically sort of hammering them on the sideline to line up properly and then then going back out and doing it again. And it was a win you too, by the way, it wasn't just a core for and you know that the second part of that is sort of Mayo talking in post games saying, you know, we're looking at the pitchers and they were in the backfield, and when you're saying they be they were being picky, you know, for lack of a better I'm paraphrasing, but when you was basically telling you it wasn't that big a deal, like that worries me. Like that's like that's coaching and obviously they're not necessarily looking at it. And like when Evan says something like chokes kind of has the look of a guy who might not be happy and he might be trying to make a send a message. I don't dismiss that I think that's possible.
Yeah, I mean he at this point, everybody's healthy on the line, assuming everybody's healthy on the line, but Darien Low's a better left tackle than Chuokes's like Vadariu and LS should be starting against the Bengals if he's healthy. A.
I would think that that's why he sat out the other night, because there was a couple of reports that indicated that was minor and he could go, and they chose to sit him.
I would be surprised if he didn't start.
Yeah, at this point, I feel like you score for us on the bench, like I I you know, I'm assuming when who's going to play right tackle? And Vederianos should play left?
So that's too bad. Here's a couple of things though.
We should keep talking about the offensive line, because so you would keep Laydon Robinson at right guard because I didn't like that the other night either.
Oh, I thought he was much better on the film, Like a couple of penalties, like he's he's a rookies were going to be on a roller cars.
I'm I'm not just worried about the penalties as I am getting pushed around, but I also am very worried and I said this in the post game about City. So that game, those like I don't want to say non contact because obviously he's blocking, so this contact, but there was nothing apparent that happened, like he didn't right, Yeah, they listed at his ankle, he didn't turn it. We watched the replay several times.
Yeah, could ankle.
He's in a boot at.
The end of by by all reports, did you see him Yeah, yeah, I'm just I'm not telling you that it is that. I'm telling you on worried that that's a significant injury. And that's yeah, I think not good for a team that wants to be strong on the interior.
I just say Brandon Thorne had a nice cut up of Laydon Robinson. I mean, I was with you watching. He had a good He was very high on Laydon Robinson and put together a loss.
Like I guess, I just don't know anything about football. Because the guy was in the backfield the whole game.
I felt the same way you felt, just and I like the guy.
I think he's made a push. I'm just gonna get we.
Haven't really talked about Wallace.
I thought he was actually okay too.
Yes, I thought he was Okay, he was Caden Wallace in the second half of this game was really good.
Yeah.
I would say probably his best film of the preseason so far. Now, I mean he's going up against guys that are gonna get cut by Washington most likely, so with that being considered, but I thought he was really good in this game. Really made some really good blocks in their outside zone schemes. Had one awesome block. I had posted it on my Twitter and on our side zone. That's really good. I do wonder if there's a world where if this is an injury to City that he's going to miss some time. Caden at right on WHENU andrews Leyden Robinson Viderium play left.
Has he played left at all?
He can play some left. I think he played left in college. You know that that might be He was that left.
Guard a lot in practice because he was replacing.
So yeah, yeah, that might be their their best five right now. And it also gets those two rookies out there, So there's some upside if those guys work out some of these issues.
That would be my upside if you can get Robinson and Wallace in the starting line up. We talked about that in the post game show too. Then you draft a left tackle and suddenly, like not not just playing, I'm talking about did good did they belong in the starting lineup? Not just well, you know, we don't have anything else we're going to start. You know, if those two guys are good starters by the end of the year, and then you draft a left tackle, all of a sudden you get an offensive line cold strange comes.
Back, so that you talk about, but I'm talking about week one sychastic. If I'm a defensive coordinator playing the Patriots early this season, I'm licking my jobs. I'm gonna test that.
I said it this morning. I knew exactly Rush three.
Blitz all year.
I just let them go after him and just cover. Well, see see what they got. Make the quarterback hold the ball and you're going to get there.
Now, if you're the Patriots, you know that we're going to get tested. However it is we're going to get tested. Does the importance of that fifth, that extra alignement coming in or an extra tight end being kept in, like how often Wallace? How often are you going to have to go into max protect to start this season? And does that limit your offense?
Especially without any tight ends?
Who are really Plus I'm not a big fan of six offensive lineman unless it's short yardage. I just it makes it much more difficult when you only send four guys into the pattern to space the field. Like now you are telling the defense that you're only going to have four receivers out in the pattern, and I just am not a.
Huge fan of that.
But they could easily and you know, they'll move the pocket and they'll do some of those bootlegs and things like that too, So they could easily have some six seven man protect off play action where they're only sending two or three guys. But that that's scheming it up. You know, you're dressing it up now at this point. So I mean, it's possible that they could do some some of that kind of stuff. That's sort of where I've been at with Drake May is that you know, he is athletic and he can move in the pocket, and you can move outside the pocket, and you can move the pocket and schematically and all that kind of stuff.
Another one David Wallace, Fred, Sorry, that's Dug Kyde reporting David David, not the one from the office.
Who's receiver who reported that, Uh, Dougie Doug Kayde Dougie.
Doug Yeah, and Chris Price also confirmed. Chad Ryland league source now just just confirmed.
He can confirm.
I love the I love the confirmations. Don't ever change boys. Yeah, the I agree with Evans's point on the like if you're in like if you want to keep a tight end into block, that's okay, because that's not telling the defense that you're only like if you have a tackle on third and eleven and you have like an extra tackle as the six offensive lineman, you're telling the defense that the max protecting you, right.
Like unless it's like a game like twenty fourteen against the Colts where you're just like we're gonna put six off and you can't stop us, like you just you can't.
Oh you're running the book.
Yeah, Like no, no, I'm talking about like third and eleven you got to throw and you're telling the defense we're only going to use five receivers four receivers here now?
Yeah?
Yeah, no it.
I when I wrote it in after further review, I said, like, how is the play, missus Lincoln when you take the when you take the penalties out, It was fine, right, you know, it's it's one of those situations. But I actually thought, I don't even know what the right word is, Like, I guess I was like pleasantly surprised that it wasn't as much of a train wreck as I thought watching live.
And that's why I keep talking about David Andrews, because I thought Leverett really was getting pushed in the backfield too.
His snaps are bad.
Yeah, I think some of that's on Drake.
Yeah, I don't know.
I look at the ball.
It's like floating like a knuckle The shotgun snap was was not the center stuff.
Is It was a low snap. The snap that that May bobbled was on May. The ball they showed the replay, it definitely came when he was under center.
Yeah oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just talking about one.
But that's not ideal. But yeah, May, I thought May rightly called himself out.
On his snaps are slow with and they're they're like knuckleballs.
Yeah, no, he's it's a problem.
But David Andrews will problem, will make it better. And the sack on Brissett, to me, was uh schematic more than anything. I didn't love the play call into the front that the defense was running because they had a player right over Laden Robinson, uh, you know, in the in the B gap or and then they had a defensive end with his hand in the dirt. That was the unblocked rusher. Like if you're gonna leave a guy on blocked, usually it's like a wide nye with the two you know, up on his feet and you have a little bit more time to get there. Even if that hit the way it was supposed to do, I'm still not one hundred percent soul City so gets there.
We talked about it a little bit while it happened. There was so many things that seemed like they were wrong on that that it had to be So is that.
Something that the quarterbacks should see and then call out of the play.
It's a good point.
If it was Tom Brady, I would probably say that he would, but I don't know what kind of controls they're giving.
Jacoby.
Brissett and Drake may to come out and say that that was you know, that's on Jacoby, like you could, but I didn't. Brady always talks about snapping the ball into a defense that it's gonna the play is gonna work. Right, That play had no chance of working in my mind. You know your four down, you have the the end is closer to the line of scrimmage and hand in the dirt.
I just it's very un defense and ends up in the backfield. So ends up bumping him, knocking into Jamichael Hasty, and no one touches the guy who ended up killing right percent. There was like a there was a variety of things that seemed out of position on that plug.
It was actually a screen to Jeane Bell, it was a it was a play action tight end screen.
Matt would have lost it like that.
If that ends up getting completed for like twenty yards, Matt's already Matt's already got Jeem Bell based on his catch.
Try try forty five yard touchdown. There was nobody on the other side of the field if they actually got it off that that That was one thing that you looked at at the overhead is you know they ran the.
Receiver that was on that side of the field.
So I sacked on the screen is beyond inexcusable. Yeah, that's beyond inexcusable. Getting sacked on a screen and he had no shot and it was not on Jacoby unless it was like what you're saying, Yeah, he needed to fix that pre snap.
Yeah, yeah, all right. Eight five to five Pats five hundred is the a stick and hotline. Eight five five Pats five hundred web radio at patries dot com as the email address. We were talking before the show little NFL news that they're talking now about and they've been talking about allowing private equity firms to invest in teams. Of course, you know that would give the owners some liquid asset, some liquidity up front, but it could. I don't know how they would do it, but it could.
If you are a fan, you could also take a pay cut and that would give a little liquidity.
Well, sure, there you go liquid If you're a fan and you're invested in this private equity firm, if they create some fun, maybe you could have a part ownership.
And a team get controlling interest.
In the I don't know controlling interest. I think I think you're controlling interest something like that.
If we if like Paul, you get controlling interest like Paul, we're a little concerned. You really don't have anybody that's over like two hundred and fifty pounds, Like what do you do?
It's interesting, though, because you feel like private equity firms are trying to you know, make money, and you know they're gonna get a little slice of it. But it almost seems more like you're doing it to be part of it, because you're not really going to make I.
Think it's a little dangerous yea, honestly, because, like you said, private equity firms, their only motivation is to make money. Now you can say, well, yeah, but if the team is good, then they make more money.
Not necessarily.
Yeah, look at the Celtics, Well they're good.
I know.
Yeah, a, you're making money.
But their valuation has gone up so much for different reasons.
But yes, yes, anyway, But I'm saying, like when you're paying a bunch of guys like Max dollars, there's a big debt coming and that's why they're getting out.
No, that's not why.
Let's just say I'm not just making that up me too.
Let's just say I know some things, they.
Get some things going on. Yeah, and I'll bet you Robert would have no interest in no, but that kind of a debt. But they also taking on that kind.
They also can't afford to just give it. He can't afford the owner to give it to his kids. Because they can't afford were the appreciation.
Tax, you know, like, so they have to sell it, ye billionaire problems, and.
That's because the valuation of the team has going up.
Anyway, they're gonna get six billion dollars for the Celtics, but they're gonna try.
They go pretty pretty close.
I mean, the latest valuation of the Patriots is seven billion, which is like, it's unbelievable. If I were the Crafts, I'd be tempted to sell it.
I have to tell say that, well, I got some time I left here.
Bro I know, we wish that, we hope that never ever ever happens, but like, well, I mean yeah, but personally bought it. You bought it for one hundred and seventy some odd million dollars and now seven billion. That's crazy. That's crazy.
Sounds like a lot of money.
It's a big twinkie put money in the stock market.
You know.
Lane's always mad. And when they were when she was in middle school, they did like a exercise like find a company to put money into, and she found like Apple, you know, in like the eighties, and she was always like, man if I just put money in Apple at that point, right for I don't know, can't I tell.
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I just I got him dying to hear what you guys think about Juju going back to the Chiefs, because I just I feel like I'm so fascinated to see what that looks like like kN Patrick Mahomes like resurrect the ghost of Juju Smith Schuster, who to me just looks like he is done. He can't run anymore, he can't really catch the ball anymore. Like if he goes there and actually is productive, like I'm going to have like a crisis, like do you think he's gonna be any goods productive to you? I don't like if he plays if they put him out there, like if they put him on the field, I think.
He's insurance in case they lose what's his face?
Rashi Rice through it right, like a suspense tension, and maybe they're not okay, completely comfortable because I think Hollywood Brown's hurt. I think wash Rice they think could have a shoe drop on them. And they just want a guy who so.
It's not from this year, just like a d is it No?
Not a d Mitchell?
They Xavier A Worthy Worthy and Sky Moore I think would be like their best two receivers.
In that case that's not enough.
I kind of wanted to say, I just want one there with Patrick, like any Patrick Mahomes' is like ten passes to Juju when he's like.
Not necessarily Patriot current Patriots related. But it looks like old friend Mac Jones has won the backup job because CJ. Bether got hurt. He's was released with an injury settlement. Okay, so mac Jones is probably QB two.
You think he would have won it anyway?
It sounds like he would have.
Yeah, but it was I guess it was pretty close all summer and now Bethar got hurt.
So I don't know how much that affected, you know, I just don't.
Get all the Max stuff like I saw. You know, we had a good preseason, but like everything I saw from him were things that he showed with the Patriots. It wasn't like all of a sudden he looked different to me.
Can we talk about something that I found interesting?
What's that?
Do you see that comment from Doug Peterson?
Did you see what his walk back was?
I know, But unfortunately, when you clarify it, like days later, you realize, oh, I shouldn't have said that, and you.
Come up with a not solo evable what did you tell people?
So he said, you know, he was talking in positive terms about mac Jones this summer doing some things well, throwing. He still once in a while, he still had that goes back into patriot mode or goes back to his Patriots days. Patriots, he reverts to his patriots ways. And you know, evidently there are media contingents that are worse than than ours. No one asked him what that meant, right, and then I guess he clarified it days later with.
With like the terminology and you know, getting yeah he was.
He was saying, sure, that's what he was talking about.
They were saying like he was giving hand signals that were Patriots hand signals but not Jaguars hand signals. You guys believe that in a little bit, a little bit, Yeah, I do.
I believe it was a shot.
Yeah it could have been, but I do believe that that. I mean, it happens all the time that you are. It's like, you know, people that speak the English is their second language, and so in your head you're you're speaking Spanish, but in your and you have to speak in English.
You know.
You know, for a quarterback that goes from one team, I'm sure that happened. That happens a lot, but you don't often here coaches say, oh.
They're correct, it would be you know, he's negative you know, he's still picking up our system. He still goes back to some of the terminology he was familiar with. You don't say that not reverting to his Patriots ways, that's a negative. Reverting to bad ways.
Yeah, like, yeah, I think he was talking about he's got to be the smartest guy in the room.
Stems, you know, most Yeah, that kind of stuff. I agree. All right. A couple a couple more.
Calvin Anderson with an injury settlement injury designation and Jonathan Russell, a IPP player, both cuts and were down to sixty three sixty one.
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Thanks staceym g to just listen to you on the radio, And just wanted to follow up on one thing, just on the long quote there on the Jacoby and Drake about and I think at this current point Drake has outplayed Jacoby. I just wanted to ask you the context of that. You know, yeah, I would say, you know, it just starts.
It starts in.
Practice and also in the game where you know Drake has played better now in saying that, you know, everyone wants to know, like who the starter is going to be. I think there are multiple factors that kind of have to go into this decision. One is the total body of work, whether we're talking about the spring or the entirety of training camp. And then I will also say, oftentimes we forget about just the overall experience that a guy like Jacobe has, which will also be waited in the decision that we have to make here in the near future.
But I'm happy with the way those guys.
Are, you know, battling it out and hopefully over you know, over the next couple of days, we can name a starter and get the season rolling.
In just one quick followup trouble, when when did that start to turn in your view?
Was there one point that that stood out where he started to outplay him?
I don't.
I don't have just a certain time. What I will say, it's, you know, just I would say there's a combination. Well, really, it's one thing. It's just Drake becoming more comfortable with the scheme and more comfortable with the players around him.
So he's done a good job with that. I can't remember a certain point though, Mike. Sorry. The next question the College followed by Chris Ryan.
Good morning, Drod Moarning does on this morning as well, and you said that, you know, we've all seen rookie quarterbacks thrown to the wolves too early. Is that just in reference to playing before they're ready, or being in a Pugnan situation where there's an offensive line they can't protect them, or or something else.
I think I think every situation is unique, because you know, I don't want to fall into this narrative fallacy or anything like that, because you have seen, you know, rookie quarterbasketball out there and perform at a high level. And I don't know what the story you know, how the story ends with Droit's rookie season, But all possibilities are open and we'll see what happens as far as like who we didn't start a hearing in your future?
Another quick one.
And I know that roster cuts are coming up here, But has there been a decision made whether Kendrick Bourne, Ony Talk Talkie and Cole Strange will begin the season on Pop?
Yeah, there have been those decisions.
I'd rather just wait to get those to you and hold because there would have been decisions on a few Slayers, just not all of them.
Thank you, Thank you, Chris Ryan, forward to Cornea.
Chris, how are you? It just started to start some of the game where you know better than that. Try to find it there, guy. So it's Henry, It's Henry. I know it's Henry by bad Sorry.
All right, just kind of back to the quarterback situation for Sick. You mentioned that if Jacoby is the choice, it could be based upon experience. How do you determine, you know, what is the right time for Drake to you know, to get that get that experience. If in fact he's you know, won the competition, kind of a why not now type of question order from to gain that appropriate experience.
Yeah, when when I spoke, when I spoke about experience, I just wanted to make sure that you guys had transparency as far as the different factors that go into making this decision.
You know, it's no secret that Jakobe's been in the league for a long time.
Uh And at the same time, I will say Drake has been performing well here over the last few weeks. So I just wanted to make sure that you guys knew the different factors that go into, uh naming a starting quarterback.
And just kind of falling up on that, how do you kind of go about determining when is the right time for Drake?
If it's not you know right now, you.
Know that's something to think about going forward. It could be you know, a lack of performance on the offense as a whole. It could be that it can be injury. It could be so many different things. And that's why it's hard right now to do all of those different scenarios where if Kobe was to start, when Drake will be ready to get in the game and things like that. So it's a it's a very I don't want to say a unique situation, but it's a it's a case within itself where I just don't I just don't know at this current time.
Thank you, Thank you the quarterin Rod, good morning.
I want to ask, but the offensive line, the group we saw last night, other than Nick being in for David, is that the group you'd like to continue over the next two weeks before you get.
To Cincinnati or you know where do things sort of stand on that unit?
Yeah, we're still have some time to figure out, you know, what the best combination is. I would say those guys pre snap penalties aside, there were definitely times where that union out there did a pretty good job for the quarterback and also especially in the run game. Anytime you average over five yards to carry, I mean, it's a good it's a good day in the run game. Now I'm saying that, I'm not sure you know what the exact combination looks like, but we got it at four o'clock this morning, and still kind of you know, crank into the film, but we'll have a group ready to go for Cincy.
And when it comes to cuts, will you guys start that process today or do it tomorrow.
You know, that's a conversation I'm gonna have with Elliott. We spoke a little bit about it last night, how we wanted to approach it. We're both uh, we're both rookies, rookies in the game, and it'll probably start, you know, sometime here soon.
Thank you, Chris, Hey Drod here you go on the offensive line, Just wondering that, given the issues at center, would you would all consider trying Cold Strange out at center when he's ready to come back.
Yeah, I mean that was always a possibility, you know when he when we drafted Cole was that he did have that flex to be able to go in there and snap and saying that I'm not sure when Cole will be ready to go.
That's where the medical professionals and Cole to design.
But if he's healthy, he'll definitely, uh, he'll definitely get some of those those opportunities.
I guess what about him, you know, makes him potentially intriguing option at center because I know that you know, there are a lot of evaluators before the draft who thought he could play center.
In the pros.
Yeah, I would say's overall athleticism He's one of those guys that you know, even though he's a bigger guy, he can move and he can move bodies, so he's a He's a very athletic offensive lineman in my opinion.
Thank you, thanks appreciate so far by Bob Souci.
More than draft moren Chris, So, I've heard you and Elliott kind of repeatedly point to having the number three waiver claim coming up here. Do you guys expect to be active on the trade market in the next thirty six hours or so, or are you more just kind of good with having the high waiver claim there?
You know, I don't want to like overshoot anything as far as like the waiver wire. We're always looking for ways to improve the roster. And I would say, you know, between the Elliott and myself, we're on the same page.
Whether it's through trades or waiver wire or whatever else.
It is getting it off the street, which is always in the mind instead of how do we get this roster better?
Uh, and how do we continue to improve as a team going forward.
Have there been any intriguing trade offers or anything over the last couple of days.
That's an Elliot question. He only brings me the uh, the ones that are that are pretty important.
So thanks Ro, thank you your final up questions Bob so C, Mike Gobob, Thanks day.
Good morning, John Dreda.
I want to ask you again about the overall experience in Jacoby's longevity tenure in the league.
For context on that, is that related.
To the seeing a variety of schemes playing in you know, adverse conditions on the road. What goes into the importance of that experience in longevity.
I would say all of the above, Bob.
You know, whether it's a you know, a road game and a tough environment, whether you know, just going out there leading teams to victory, those are all things that are important. And once again I just wanted to be very transparent about just the different, let's call it critical factors that have to go into this decision going forward and naming the starting quarterback.
I think we just quick fall up on a different positions, the kicking situation. What do you want in a place kicker. We saw obviously Joey get the attempts last night from very long distance at the end of each half. When you make the decision on that position, if it hasn't been made already. What do you want as a head coach.
Yeah, we just want someone that's steady, someone that you know can make the you know, just all the field goals. So give me one hundred percent kicker, someone who could kick the ball through the upright. It's one hundred percent of the time. But that competition, you know, it's been going on in all training camp and it's definitely anytime you have the ability to score points or a player on your team that could score points, this is an important spot. And you know this league is it's all about you know, it comes down down to the wire a lot of the times, and you got to have a kicker that you can trust and depend depending on.
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My point was, like Alex is just saying that you can't You couldn't imagine to an eight and either could have. That's I couldn't have either, because I thought that at the very worst, they would just.
Be to think I'm really I am negative and I don't ever think of that, but I don't. I don't think I don't that.
But but you said seven wins is their ceiling, right, Yeah, And I don't necessarily disagree with that.
They're not going to get to seven wins.
But when if everything fell in in other words, if they stayed healthy, everything fell in place, but everybody was hurt close the other teams got hurt, and you didn't like, maybe you could win seven games. That's how I felt about this team.
I don't, but I don't necessarily disagree with that.
If they're two and eight, Paul, like there, I thought, win the four games, that's going to be a lot.
I didn't think the offense could get worse.
Than I didn't think that I would. I would, that's the sign, But that's I didn't think the offense could be worse than it was.
And my question is just I think we all kind of agree that, like six, I feel like we said a lot. Six six wins feels like the floor for this team. Like he's too good a coach to not get them six wins. Why aren't we the six wins this year?
You know?
Yeah, I would have said it's like, see I would I know you think I'm probably lying, but I'm not either, because I think there's some teams that they could be just like the last couple of games they played, they could have won.
That would be a big mistake.
That's another great moment from.
All right back here on Patriots Unfiltered. A five to five pass five hundred is the A stickn outline web radio at Patriots dot com is the email address. We got a lot of emails. Will clear out the phones here. Uh, Todd, North Carolina's been holding on for quite a while. What's up, Todd? Todd has been holding on for quite a while? And gay up? Okay, No, no worries, No worries. How about Daniel from Sacramento? What's up Daniel?
Yeah, you guys are doing okay.
So the question I wanted to ask what it's.
Kind of just like something that you guys were saying before a couple of weeks ago. I know the old line is bad, it's and it's it's very scary throwing Drake in there. So I remember you guys talking. Maybe maybe week five could be like a good hitting spot for him to come in. I don't see the harm in a quarterback sitting I would, trust me. I'm one of those guys. I want Drake to start week one. I want, I want it to happen, But I don't see the harm at all. You can bring any harm to a rookie just him sitting for a little bit. But with that said, what what do you guys realistically Because I know we're probably not gonna make the playoffs or anything, but what is realistic record? If Drake May is playing either week one or week five, what do you think the ending record is if the defense is playing good. I know it's a hard question because our offense is very unproven with the new offense coordinator, but just yeah, basically, just a question is what do you think our record would be him starting week one or week five?
They could take it off their guys think, okay, so what's the Is there any difference if he starts week one or week five in the record.
I think it's hard to say it because I just you don't know.
I know it's hard to say, but that's why it's a good question.
Uh why I would say. I mean, look, he's not going to probably get in week five if they haven't lost four of the five at least, right, I mean, at they're four, if they've already got four wins, then he's probably not going to play. So I don't know. I mean, it's probably one or two wins difference.
I don't know.
I'm not really sure how to answer the question. I just think they're gonna win.
I mean, I think his point is they're probably not going to win like those games. They're probably not going to beat Cincinnati, San Francisco and the Jets. I think people look at Seattle it's sort of a toss.
Up kind of game. I think that's his point. Yeah, without saying it's so I'm.
Extrapolating, and again I'm be reading too much into this, but I think he's thinking, what's the difference? Why not just wait, I think you can oh that difference okay, like not the difference in the record. No, he's asking you what would the record be? And I think he's looking for someone to say one in three with or without Drake May. Yeah, So to his point, like, well, if you were going to be four and oh with Drake May and one and three with percent, then I think people would say, well, start May. But I don't think anybody thinks that, Yeah, but I.
Don't think that's why people want us. I don't think winning more games to start the season is why people who want me to start are saying that. I think they're saying it is because they want his development to be corrected.
And I think you can stunt a development by not playing them. Yeah, I think it's a small little possibility, much like you can ruin a quarterback that playing him too soon, small little possibility.
I don't dismiss it. I think that both of those things could happen.
Yeah, I'd be more worried about him being ruined by playing. Honestly, He's come a long way with his fundamentals, and like with his mechanics, his footwork is is night and day better. And as much as I don't want to give them too many flowers before they play a regular season game, this coaching staff takes a lot of heat, and the Hires took a lot of heat, and I gotta be honest, I think they've done a great job with him so far in terms of his mechanics. His feet are night and day from where they were in college. Now it's preseason and we'll see if it carries over into regular season games. But the little things that he's still working on from a minutia standpoint, like him drifting in the pocket. If you start drifting in the pocket and you have Trey Hendrickson coming off your edge, that's a lot different than a third string defensive end coming off your edge. Like those things can invite pressure and put you into harm's way. I still feel like he ducks the ball. They say that they don't care about his throwing motion, but to me, he still ducks the ball. And you know, in the throat of pulk on the crossing route, the defense is like this close from knocking the ball out of his hands because he's carrying it so low.
Uh.
Those are like the little things that he's still working through. And you just worry that if now, all of a sudden, he gets into a game and it's a forty five percent pressure rate and he's constantly under duress, now he's gonna develop bad habits and it's going.
To start to break on him.
So all the progress that they've made with his mechanics could go out out the door of Big Loo and McDonald.
They're coming after him in weeks one and two.
The Jets in week three two, I mean yeah, and Nick Bosa in week four yeah right.
Rough four games, yeah yeah, and we'll get him back in time for Bradley Chubb to come off for you.
There's no Easy's not going to be easy.
No, there isn't.
I I am surprised though, that they that they don't care about the throwing motion a little bit.
I've asked him about.
It like two or three times when we've had the assistance available, and they they keep saying that as long as he's getting the ball where it needs to go, Like they look at it more from like an act.
They talk about their throw motion. They're talking about the wind up right.
Yes, yeah, So he has like a long wind up and he dips the ball below his waist when he winds up, so it goes below and defenders when they come around in the corner, they're gonna start swiping at his arm.
It's one of the things that I don't It's one of the what is he like.
He does.
And he moves I do like that, Like when he moves around the pocket, he keeps two hands on at eyes downfield, good poise, but he just he does dip the ball.
So it's one of the things that I still see that I am concerned about is that reload and when you have that kind of you know, wind up with the ball. He pumps a lot, and then when he ends up throwing it, it's not the same thing again, so it's a much different like just quick little throw. Now he hit Hasty on the first player of the second drive with a play like that, and Hasty picked up an easy first down.
I just don't like. I looked at Mike, I said, he's still doing it. I don't like that. Like that's a play.
I think that's going to get him in trouble more often than not when you don't like sort of reset when you want to pump it and you're just kind of like throwing it as an afterthought.
He's getting away with it.
Yeah, it's weird to me too, and some of them, Paul, because it feels like he has the right idea and he stops and then he's like no, yeah, and then he because then he goes sidearm with you, and you know, so it's almost like he's making up for the lost time on this and now I got to hit the guy over here.
That's exactly what it is.
I'm adjusting the arm angle, and I.
Can't go through my whole thing again because I won't have time to do right.
And is it just throw it when you should throw it, get it out, you know, the one to hasty. He has like two stop routes like vertical stops. And I thought Taekwon was was open and his shoe.
Fell off, like his shoe.
There's a lot of crap going on.
Can we can talk about why his shoe fell off, But his shoe fell off, and I kind of thought, well, like maybe he wasn't going to throw it fifteen yards down the field without a shoe on, so so he was just like, you know, like I could throw this to Taekwon, but if I step into this and my shoes off and like, you know whatever.
So, but the wind up is one thing.
And the drifting in the pocket I still think is there at times, like with the throat to Pop Douglas on the crossing ground. If you watch it from the end zone angle, he's he's drifting with Pop Douglas like as Pop is running across the field, Drake is going let to his left and what happens is is, you know, the the edge on the left hand side like he's gonna run into a defender like he's gonna run into and create pressure on his own. So those are like the little things that now when you get into an NFL pocket against real pass rushers, that you start to get a little bit concerned about.
You know.
That's the thing, Like, it's worth reminding ourselves that the defenses that we saw in preseason are not anything near what we're going to see. First of all, the talent level is gonna be much higher, but they're also scheming it up. And you know, as much as this is a passing league and off you know, the league wants offenses to have the edge. Defenses are better now. They're better at give, you know, disguising things and giving quarterbacks different looks. That's why it's so hard to be a good quarterback in this league. And it's he's gonna see things he's never seen before.
Yeah, you know.
Now, with that all that being said, all the nitpicks that I had being said, there are some guys that are just so gifted as throwers that they can just do.
All this crap and get away with it.
And as another thing I wrote about and after further review that his mechanics right now remind me a lot of Aaron Rodgers at the beginning, where there are some of these weird, quirky things that he's doing, Like on the Jalen Polk throw, he's he falls off the bidline right like he falls to his right normally, like a quarterback coach would look at that and be like, we need to fix this. It's a dot. It's like right on his hands in stride. Like some guys just can break the rule, like you have that kid in school that always got away with everything. Like some guys are just so talented that they just get away with all this crap. And he might be one of those types of guys. If that was Mac Jones, that would be a problem because he doesn't have the physical skill set that Drake does. So maybe he's just a freak like you not You don't know yet.
Fingers crossed, Yeah all right.
Web Radio at patries dot com is the email address Joe writes in sorry for making Fritz swear last week, Good get you. I agree with Paul that you hypothetically could pull may after you start him, But in reality, how can you certainly not Mayo with his need to be liked by the media. If you're pulling him for his mistakes, then why he needs to make them to learn? If you pull them because of the O line, then how do you explain it? Yeah, if you think drafting Milton was going to cause unwonted questions or distractions, how can you justify pulling May without saying directly that it's the Lion's fault.
No, No, I wouldn't pull May. I would not want to do that. I'm just saying I wouldn't not play him because once I play him, I have to keep him out there. Yeah, like that to me shouldn't be a deterrent. If he plays and he's really bad, he should be treated like all the other players and lose playing time. Yeah, that's all I'm saying.
But I think what he's saying is No, it's a really good email.
Like all the points valid, it.
Also goes to something I was thinking about with the cutdowns. So my contention, I don't know this, no one's told me. But my contention is, you know, and Jerry kind of said it. He wants to tell the team who the start you know, the team who the starting quarterback is before he tells the media I got that, which is fine. You know, so you tell the team, but we all know that May is the best quarterback. So if we do, then probably the team does too, the players. So but if they go with Jacoby, how does he explain that to the team. How does he tell the team, Yeah, we're gonna go with Jacoby because our line stinks.
No, because he feels like he gives them the better chance to win with based on his experience.
But he's ready to run.
The point is, like, are the players going to buy.
That if he if he's ready? If if May's not ready to run the offense?
Yes, well, ye okay, if he's but he's better. There's nobody that has eyes that doesn't know that May is better than That's what I mean.
But that doesn't mean he's ready to play.
No, No, that's a big if.
But let's say he is, then he should play.
I know, but like what if, like there's this other ulterior plan.
That's a coaching mistake.
But that's my point is, how do you explain that to the team if he is ready, how do you explain it to the team that Jacoby is our starter?
I mean, I don't think it's that hard. I mean, I think Jacoby has the respect of all those guys. I mean, if you guys saw he was on Devon Godshaw's podcast and don Von Godshaw was singing the praises of the leadership of Jacoby Brissett and how he was also still getting guys you know ready. I mean, I don't think that there's any secret about you know, the future is Drake May and everybody knows it. But I think people still have a lot of respect for Jacoby Brissette, and I agree, you know, frame the right way. I think those guys will will get in line. I mean, like what I said earlier, Look, we're gonna play Cincinnati. This kid, this guy's played in Cincinnati, He's beaten Cincinnati. You know, we we've we've gone into multiple game plans even when he wasn't playing for us in Cleveland that you know, he knows what it's going to take to beat this defense and how we're going to have to play. Okay, so he's you know, and you just got to take it week by week. I think we get we're getting so caught up and like you know, when he's going to start, it's like, let's just focus on week one. At Cincinnati, who realistically gives you the best chance to win this game. I think there's a there's an argument even as you know, as Paul was saying, based on the ability, we all know who has more ability, but who's going to give you the best chance to win? I don't think it's it's a it's a it's a false argument to say that we really believe that Jacoby Brissett gives us the best chance.
Okay, you know, I definitely feel agree with you one hundred percent that they can sell it to the players because they all really like, in respect, Kobe Brissett. So I I definitely feel that that there would be a general feeling of, you know, confidence in that respect. But I'm sure that there would be a lot of players in that locker room that are especially on the defensive side of the ball, that maybe have faced Drake May in practice, that are just like, this guy is much better.
It's it's like the undertone that I've realized over the last few weeks of camp, where it was like Brissett's reps, Brisset's reps in the games that fans us everybody you're just kind of in a holding pattern with these preset reps or when he starts, and everybody's aware that, like it doesn't ultimately mean anything win or loss against Cincinnati with Bresset a quarterback, it doesn't really mean anything other than how does it affect when Drake May is gonna get in there? So you know, even like I hesitate to say, even in success, you're kind of like, well great, but like, come on, let's just get Drake in there. Like it's gonna be the undertone all season long until he actually gets in.
It's definitely one of those we have to do is show today topics too, because in like two or three years, it's gonna be totally irrelevant of whether or not Drake May started Week one twenty twenty.
Four, right.
Unless you got hurt and then they got the first overall pick next year, then you get a receiver. I was looking back on that though, it's like, you know, kind of a similar position with the Road, but you know, like that the way that that injury happened to him that then enabled them to get Jamar Chase, it was like it was almost like wun't you almost rather like let's just start May and then he's gonna get hurt. Then we're gonna and then present's gonna start the rest of the season. Well, we're gonna have a top three pick again, I mean start.
Borough least started a chunk of games in his first year, so you got to see that it was there that you know, and that it was you know, he wasn't fully there yet, but you could clearly tell he could play.
But yeah, it did kind of work out, you know.
Floyd and Redford. Michigan Patriots quarterback coach TC McCartney said the best way to get better at football is to play. Also, the head coach said that too. It's not to say you can't learn from the sidelines, but the best way to get better is to play. Drake May needs to play this year. Exclamation point. He doesn't have to start week one, but by week five or six. I'm hoping to see Drake me too.
That's and that's that's it. I mean, yeah, I'm fine preaching patients right now. Week one, week two, That's as far as I'll get ahead of myself. But one hundred percent agree with Floyd. If we get to November and we're still just watching an average team kind of struggle to move the ball, I have no.
Doubt that Drake May will start the majority of the games this season. My only question is is he going to start Week one? But I think I think yes, the majority of games will be started by Drake May this year.
Agreed he'll be in there by Halloween at the latest. I mean, there's no way that we're talking about him playing week one, right, not at all this year. Right, We're already past that point. He's definitely playing this year.
And do you think that the decision has been made by the team. Let's just say, like like today, they probably know, but let's say Monday, when they got back from the Commander's game. Do you think knew at that point who was going to be the Week one starter? Or they will? Are they still talking?
I think they knew on April twenty seven. This is our wrong.
If they had already made up their mind. If they made up their mind, then I think starts week one, Then that's wrong.
I'm with Paul.
I think they have a plan.
They're sticking to it, and I'm not as convinced as you guys that he's going to start. He's going to start the majority of games. I think they have a plan.
I believe me.
I hope I'm wrong.
Yeah, but I think that's a you know, it's a good question. I don't think that they know when they want to put him in. I don't think like, I don't think they have a game in mind.
I don't think they do either. But I just, oh, yeah on week one, I think they've known all of camp.
What my point was, if somebody, if one of you had said, well, you know, I think they were still debating it, you know, leading up to this last preseason game. And if that's the case, then you got to start May. If there was any question. Absolutely, if there was any question, then you got to start May.
Now that said, I thought percent looked fine the other night, you know, like I don't. I don't think the sack was again could have been a pre snap thing, so that would be on him.
But like.
Picked himself up in another couple of plays and threw one of the best balls he's thrown all of camp.
Yeah, Osborne. Yeah, and it was that offscript too, Like it wasn't it.
I think we've got a pretty good backup in Jacoby Brissett.
Yeah.
I agree, you know, let's leave it at that, except for starting, Well, my friend's kind of the irony in this statement. Erica is in Virginia. What's up? Erica?
Hey?
By Hey, guys, just better lost since I called in. I guess my question is mainly for Evan was go around. I just wanted to just get some clarification. Uh, I wasn't gonna call in, but your first phone call us once be hung up, you had kind of mentioned and I may have been wrong, So please, I just again clarification and then I'll take it off the air. You mentioned that we might win four to five games under Jacoby, But what is it that you're seeing that we are seeing from I guess an outsider's point of view, because we haven't really seen him move the ball in entire years, you know what I'm saying. And then you put him up in against second and third stringers in preseason this year and he hasn't moved the ball, not one. And I get that the O line for the last five years have been an issue, and I'm not saying start strict made one. I guess I just want to know what you're seeing that the rest of us aren't to where we're going to gain at least four to five games with Jacoby, and especially against the rivals of the Jets, and with that, I'll take.
It off the air thinks yet, thanks Eric.
Yeah, I hadn't put a win total on it. I have no idea, but I was.
Just saying, did they move the ball last year?
No?
In four games?
Right, you're probably gonna bad.
Teams win four games?
Yeah. Yeah.
The only reason why Jacoby Brissett's starting is because Drake May is not ready or some combination of factors of the offensive line and all this other stuff we've been talking about. It's not because he's the better.
I don't I don't think anybody's really been sort of trumpeting well, Brissette gives you, you know, a chance to move the ball and put points on the board, and we haven't seen that this summer now.
I mean, listen, Drake May gives you a better chance to win games because in this league there are times when the quarterback has to just make plays well, and who's better at doing that?
Yeah?
No, From what the little what we've seen of Drake May, he's better doing that than Jacoby.
He can move around, he's mobile. I mean, you know, he's not afraid to throw the ball on the move. And yeah, I don't think.
I mean, this might be the biggest plus that I could say for Drake May playing is I don't think there's any difference in your record if he plays or Brissette plays. Not one's a nine year veteran, ones never played before. I don't really think it's gonna matter all that much. And I think potentially, if it really hits, you're gonna win more games.
With the r and he's gonna be more ready for year two.
That's kind of what I want, is that, you know, And maybe I'm just being cranky and selfish, like I just want to accelerate the process.
That's why I wanted to play as.
Quickly as the best case scenario is. Other than like there's a miracle and they make the playoffs, the best case scenario is May plays really well, but they still only win two games, and then you have that high draft pick which you trade in stockpile picks, and you go into year two, spend a little money in free agency, and now you've got a team.
You know, but you could do that, like I'm gonna go with Evans thing here, like why not win six or seven games with Drake May? And maybe your draft position isn't as high, but now you might be more attractive to the rest of the league. Yeah, in terms of being able to get players in there, I.
Think that agents and players are smart enough to say, you know, Drake may played well last night, he's going If.
You're two and fifteen, well, it depends on how it looks, but I would say it didn't look good.
If you're two and fifteen, hard if you're losing twenty seven at thirty to twenty seven, do you think that.
That's gonna happen.
I'm just saying, you don't know, Like we're.
Having a conversation. Yeah, and you throw Andy Hardism's at me, But like, what.
If like the offense, Hey, compared to last year, this offense is light years better, they're still losing.
And they're not going to go two and fifteen. If the offense is light years better, even I think more of the defense than that.
Yeah, it's it's a it's a pickle, I know, but I think like it's really not like it like the pickle is that like the pickles that we didn't have a quarterback forre Like, now you have a quarterback and we're talking about how to manage him. I'd just say just from what I've seen in camp, that kid can throw the ball down the field. If I'm a receiver with speed looking at that kid and watching the ball go off Javon Baker's hands or going on, you know, Taekwon Thornton can't come down with it. I'm saying this is a this is an element of this offense that is waiting to happen.
And if I'm that receiver, I'm like, yeah, I want to I couldn't be that person. Or if I'm a left tackle, yeah, I could be that guy that.
You know, I think too. I mean it's and it's as much about the draft too, though. I mean that's, you know, sure a big part of it. But I think with that receiver piece, if you do have to go to the well or not to go to free agency and spend a lot of money, you know, it's it's harder to make that pitch. When you had a guy like Mac Jones where it was like, I mean, don't run more than thirty yards because he probably can't get it there, you know, fast enough. But this kid can get it there, you know, and and and and quick. And I mean that's just some of those throws that he made and granted we've been saying and we'll see how it looks in the regular season, because they've been close and even in camp one hundreds, like how many times do we say whoo? Like that one was completed, but it was close, and so is it. May's got a great arm and he's able to beat that is able to beat the number one cornerback on those kind of plays. We'll see how it does. But I just think watching his arm, it's it's it's exciting, and that's that's a special arm town, you know. That's what's exciting to me. We're gonna get to watch this kid no matter when gets in. I'm with you, guys, though I hope it's sooner than later.
I mean, it's you know, when they drafted Bledsoe, you looked at Bledsoe, It's like, what a cannon? You know, you got excited.
Paul put his money down right there.
He saw and.
Talent.
Yeah, I mean, the guy can hit all levels of the field.
That's the only to have a guy like that.
That's the one thing that I just putting our offensive coordinator hats on. Everything is on the call sheet. You can literally call anything with him in the game. You can call quarterback run, you can play under center, you can play out of a gun, you can throw it to every quadrant of the field. That's what makes those types of guys so enticing, Like that's what makes Josh Allen and Herbert you know, like Jordan love like these guys. There's no limitations. There's nothing that you can't do in terms of the routes that you run or what plays you design or whatever, and that that piece of it, as corps matches his arm.
I mean, but the development that had, I mean, you know, the signs are all pointing in a positive direction. It'll hit a new level in the regular season. But I just love like this is just you know, fan deuced. But like you know, seeing the dan Orlovsky's of the world, they're seeing people be impressed by his talent, you know, and not feeling like, God, we got we got some limitations with our quarterback of the future. You know, it just doesn't feel like that right now. It just feels like we got a gem. How do we best develop him and make sure that, you know, we put the pieces in place around him as quickly as possible, because you know, the clock is always ticking but there's some real talent there. It be fun to once he gets in there. But now we're gonna be in and we'll see when that.
Shane in Springfield writes in I think May should play. I tend to disagree with the notion that Jacoby should start over him due to his elevated knowledge at the line. Mahomes sat for a year with Andy Reid developing him, and Mahomes had stated multiple times he still couldn't read the defense as his whole second year once he finally started playing. Good point. If Andy Reid should have thought of it. If Andy Reid couldn't teach him Mahome that from the sidelines, then why do we push the narrative that Drake can do the same with his staff. Uh, he needs to play and learn the stuff. Enough of the bubble wrap, let's go. Oh yeah, I mean that That is a good point.
I'm with him.
Yeah, you know, would Mahomes have known it? Quicker course he would have. The answer is yes, He's.
Thrown out so much right now, and I feel like Paul just needs to like press a button and be like, here's my response.
I wish I wish I had thought of that.
Argument I remember you specifically. People said, well, Mahomes, and I've heard you say in the radio, well, how do we know we wouldn't have been a.
Super boot that trademark, that's that's.
He could have just been great as rookie year and then won the title his second year. You know, it's just been nothing is rookie year and just been great. Not win the title is second one. He couldn't playing Fantasyland. I'm going to give him another title if he plays.
At the end of the day, if you're a Kansas City Chiefs fan, you don't care. It's like everything worked out. But like to prove a point about starting verus nuts starting, that's not a legitimate argument.
Yeah.
Well, and now it's like kind of like oh six was for the Patriots, where you're like, eh, we could we could.
Have gotten another one.
But it's like Brady, you know, look, look Brady sat Like Brady was the one hundred and ninety ninth pick of the draft, was kept as the fourth quarterback, and then didn't play until the year two. Like that's not the same as deciding whether or not the third overall pick should play right away.
Yeah, And it's really not the same for Jordan Love either who was sitting behind Rogers was picked up. What twenty sixth I want to say or something like that. But even though it's a preseason and the defenses will get more exotic and more creative, he makes pretty good decisions with the ball for the most part. Like there's some times where I, you know, he think gets a little aggressive, but I kind of like that, like have some arrogance, like you gotta can.
And in this year, if he plays a lot, I don't care if he has a lot of interceptions. Yeah, as long as the ball's going where it was intended.
You know, and it's not the same kind of play, yeah, you know, Like that's what frustrated with mac Jones. Mac Jones didn't throw a lot of interceptions, but he threw a lot of the same kind of interceptions. Yeah, you know, the sort of moving and no business throw going one way throwing the other. I must have seen that one five times three years as the starter.
That's that's his game.
He never seemed to learn from his mistakes.
Seam throws never got better.
Justina is in North Carolina. What's what's up, Justina?
Hi?
My question is, well, I'm Tario graduate of course. So I've been watching May and now I'm a new New England New England saying, but I think the issue to me is a BP is definite. Oh, Jacoby's going to start and May I's like, well, you know, we don't know. I think they made Jacoby's some promises and they don't want to back back up on that. And I think it's not it's not an issue as whether he's more experienced. I think they're just using that as an ascute you know. As far as May's arm and everything. I think if he if he does, he has to be in the game before he could even self correct.
You know.
If he gets in there, he's smart enough, he knows what his problem is. He's just self correct. I think he should be playing. And I don't think. I don't buy that that Jakobe is more experienced and he's going to help him, you know, along the way, And I think that makes it's more talented. He's just more talented than Kobe. He has experience, but made it's more talented seing him adjust in things when he was at North Carolina. I think he'll justin pros as well.
Thanks Justin.
Justina knows Ball.
I'm not ruling out that they might have made promises to Jacoby, but if they did, shame on that.
Oh yeah yeah, I mean, well, I I agree with that to an extent, though I.
Think there could be some truth.
Yeah, that's wrong. They shouldn't have done that.
Yeah.
I also feel like there's no doubt that Mayo and a VP are at odds about this like that.
That to me, I think is is clear that that's at odds or just Mayo's not sure yet at odds. But I don't mean that as like hostile, Like I know it sounds hot like they're in these big arguments and jul Stadium.
But maybe they're not seeing it the same way, seeing eye to eye.
On this, because I think Mayo is a former player on defense that's looking at this and saying, I wouldn't want to have to face Drake like this is this is way harder than going up against Zakobe or I would want to go to battle with the more talented guy, whereas a VP is like, let's let's calm you know, let's calm down and let's.
Be patient with this.
Their their answers are totally different. I mean, Drake, is you know out playing Jacoby, he's made, he's pushing. It's a competitionby's our starter. He does X, Y and Z better you know than Drake does right now, Like it's they're saying two different things. So I don't know how you can look at it and say that they're not a little bit in disagreement about what's going on.
This is gonna get tedious like into the season because they're probably not going to win a lot of games and we're just gonna probably stay on this whole Drake.
That this is going to be a topic until May play.
Oh god, yes, yeah, I mean I think it even if they, like surprised some in won a few games, I think it would remain a topic until May plays.
Driving like the topic, the topic of the team.
But isn't that what this like? What else are you like truly invested in right now?
When it comes to the Patriots, that's every conversation we have, it's Drake May, that's the that's the piece.
Yeah, I mean I thought, you know, it's the whole thing, right Like Polk I think looked pretty good in the game the other night too, And you know, maybe those two guys are going to be what we thought, you know, we're getting ahead of ourselves. But you know that would be exciting too. But other than that, it's it's just Drake May and and he's the only real beacon of hope that they have.
Do you think it's like once May gets in there, then it's the deluge of all the different problems, like are we going to be talking about the lack of an X receiver or you know the problems that left tackle like or do you think that those things are going to be overshadowed then once May gets in, Now those are the problems in the spotlight, you know, like those are the next big steps They got to figure out how.
To you know, local media, you know, a gender driven media.
So will there be second once May starts winning? I mean, once May started receiver, let's just let's just say they're still not that good, you know, you know, be reasonable. He goes in and there's still not one of the better teams in the league, meaning they're not winning. Will there be factions of blame it on May or it's everything around me? Will there be what do you.
Think, blame it on everything around him?
A year two, if it's still not better, then it will.
Be well, that's different, like and you know that happened to Bledsoe, and I was as I'm as big a Drew supporter as that was Pat No. But like when it started, it was like, this guy's great. This guy, Yeah, he makes some mistakes, he tore some some you know, ill timed interception, but man, he making all these plays and he doesn't really have a lot to work with. And then all of a sudden, like you know, you get him Terry Glenn and Sean Jefferson and you know that Curtis Martin is really good, and then it's like you for, yeah, we get bled So I told you, if we just got these pieces around him, you go to the Super Bowl and then ninety seven comes and it's kind of like the same, and ninety eight comes, it's kind of and it was because all of a sudden it became maybe he ain't about the weapons. Maybe he's just he's just really good. He's not great, and he's never going to make that ascension to great. Yeah, you know, but it took a long time. And again, I'm the biggest Drew supporter ever, and I'm recognizing that we probably didn't look at Drew as enough along the way until it was really apparent that Drew was part of the problem, never like as much of the problem as it was made out to be. But yeah, initially everybody's gonna be like, well, we don't know, what do you expect.
He doesn't have a left tackle number one.
He's got no protection, he's got no receivers that can separate, you know.
Yeah, it'll just be like, I mean, yeah, he had those three interceptions, but those four throws he had was crazy, you.
Know, like that running made to the left, and you know, you know, we knew he wasn't ready.
Arm.
Yeah, Emery writes in I have a question for the if May is ready, he should play crowd Hypothetically, if a bunch of injuries happened over the next two weeks, and our line for week one was Anderson, Jordan, Leverett, Mafi and corfor would you still say May should play if he's ready? Do you truly believe the offensive line should have zero bearing on the QB decision?
I think I'm the only one that says that.
I don't say zero bearing, but I've been saying it since they drafted him. You're not talking about a sitting duck in the pocket. Here, you're talking about a six foot four two and twenty five pound athlete who manages the pocket very very well and can get out of the pocket and get out of dodge when.
He needs to.
I until he starts to look rattled by pressure, which he hasn't in the preseason, by the way, and there has been some pressure, and he's pretty poised and comfortable back there. I just don't think it's as glaring of a of a factor, I guess, but no one's saying that it's zero factor.
Just me.
I'm the only one that says, like, the quarterback can learn behind about offensive line.
I've seen it. It's mean a lot of examples of it.
Brian from New Jersey says, my logic is the fact that they cut Zappi May as the starter since they'll be in trouble if Brissette gets hurt early on. So in other words, because we talked about, you know, some people were talking about do.
You keep Zappy if you don't want to play May?
If you don't want to play May.
So to me, it just tells me that that's right. Yeah, those things have nothing to do with each other. Yeah, you're right, all right, now.
Gerard had a funny comment the other night about that second quarterback off the Phil Perry.
Exchange will you win the post game?
I was did you think that was a little hord when he wasn't really even willing to say he was the second best quarterback?
Well, Drake, he said, Drake may is the second best quarterback. I would He didn't commit.
I would like to think, I would like to say, is what he said, and then he was asked to fall up. Is that a yes? Next question?
Yeah, we were talking about this a little bit off there, but that was the first time that I saw that a little bit.
Uh.
I don't know what the right word is, just like.
Tense.
So this is why they make so much money? Yeah, yeah, and it was hard. It was a tough situation for Yeah.
I don't necessarily think it was the line of questioning. Fully, I think that he thought that they didn't play very well.
Tough performance.
Yeah, and uh.
Market a point. Yeah, it's so bad, I don't even want to talk.
He seemed pretty frustrated.
It should have looked a lot better than that in the first half. Can we all agree?
Yeah?
I mean, what was it thirty how many thirty five?
Players didn't dress for washing for Washington, right, and you really didn't push them around like you should have. Dominated you had enough for you. The patriot didn't play all their starters either. Before I know that that's been sort of you know your starters again, the Patriots didn't play all their starters. I think plenty of guys didn't.
Play the second series. There were only a couple guys that might start.
But they should have been pushing people around and they weren't. Yeah, that's two weeks in a row.
Backup lineman getting pushed around, you know, backup defensive line. I just gotta say. One funny thing, though, is when we heard the next question, I was like, oh, I haven't heard that in a while. And then Paul's like, I've heard I throw back. They'll throw back to Drew Bledsoe, that's question.
Uh, Jack writes in Plunkett got pummeled because he had no O line. He got hurt. Same thing will happen to may fix the line before starting him.
Well then we're gonna be here for now.
I just don't even know.
I know, and as much as scream of Patriots media guy, no, not that I can say.
What do you need you should put it on our coffee.
I know everything. What do you need to know? Oh? There? They are like, oh that's right there?
What what?
What?
What so much Jim plunk like the Jim Plunkett thing like Tony Mas is me like crawls up my tailpipe? Okay, Like yeah, you know what. Jim Plunkett was a Heisman Trophy winner and I'm more on overall pick. He's a really athletic kid coming out of Stanford. It was but way before my time to watch the you know, the real details. It was way before my time. I never saw Jim Plunkett play a game as a Patriots quarterback, Like I wasn't old enough to understand know when he was the quarterback. By year three, they had drafted John Hannah, who people think is the greatest offensive lineman ever. So seventy one, seventy two, seventy three, your first round pick is John Hannah and it still didn't work and by seventy six you had to trade him. So was it because he like he just wasn't as good as everybody thought, or did he get beat up and he.
Just can't play? Like that offensive line turned into one of the greatest offensive lines in the history of football with John Hannah as the as the main cog. Bill Lenkitis was part of those offensive line.
It didn't ruin Jim Plunkett. He went on to Oakland and had a pretty good career.
Yeah, by handing the ball off and watching Marcus Allen run seventy five yards. Everybody thinks that like this through magic epiphany. No they didn't.
This magic epiphany happened twelve years after he left New England and he was handing the ball off and winning titles behind a great program with the Raiders. Like, I don't know, maybe Jim Plunkett would have been better if he had more around him in seventy one.
I would grant that.
I would admit that Fred Blitnakoff.
Fred Bolittnakoff, Yeah, how many passes Jim Plunkett throw to him?
I don't know. They didn't play together.
No, they probably did, but like Cliff Branch and Fred Blittnikoff weren't what they were when Ken Stabler.
Was the quarterback Rails time. I just like the whole Jim Puckett got killed in New England thing, like, yeah, I guess you know, I guess he did I know that's the that's the common refrain, but that doesn't mean it was accurate.
No, But do you know what I mean?
No, but Pluckett was a good quarterback.
He was the number one overall pick. Of course he was good.
I mean like when he went to the Raiders he turned out to be.
Why didn't he play any good in San Francisco?
I don't know.
So if you're really good, you're good, like I don't know. But but a couple of years later in Oakland he was really good. He wasn't really good, he was. He was kind of a game manager in Oakland. They want they won a couple of titles, pretty good. They won a couple of titles with him, And people think that he was great. He wasn't.
I want to hear Fred blinkoff Antonio Brown. The other day there was like a ranking of the top ten receivers of all time, and he was like eighth and Don Hudson was seventh.
And he was like, the hell is Don Hudson?
Like it's actually Don Hudson had one hundred touchdown receptions in an era when they didn't even throw one hundred pass I know I know who is because Bill Belichick used to teach just who he was and with Antonio Brown, Yeah, like do Don Hudson in your own I was gonna say.
One interesting thing to me, though, is you know, Cincinnati a lot of problems on their line with Burrow. It's been a big talking point how bad.
Ye yahook year.
But but they've had a super Bowl year too, and.
Even this year, Like they signed Trump Brown, they draft Mims, they signed who the other guy left tackle? Like you know, it's it's not like everything will be fine, Like there's always problems. You're always trying to figure it out. And like the offensive line is five guys, like it's never gonna.
Be per first offensive line in football lost in the Super.
Bowl the outside Jamar Chase and t Hagen.
But whatever, This is my point, Like this is not necessarily related to Drake may. This is like it's not a catch all. If you're behind an offensive line, I means you can't play. Like, if you're good, you're gonna find a way to make plays and you'll show enough.
Of how good you can be.
And if your coaches are good, you figure out how to you know, Yeah.
Especially now the way they do it, the ball comes out so quick, like at least with Jim Plunkett, the people that you know, it was a different time. He was probably you know, in a lot of bad situations, losing and having to throw and maybe he got killed.
Like again, I never saw any games.
I mean there were still seven steps dropping from under center when Jim Punktt.
Was That's what I'm saying. You get to snap the balls out like.
A Burrow. And Burrow's done what he's done in those situations.
But his acl as a rookie because you put him behind a bat off its linemark. I don't know if you know, I don't know if you've heard that story.
No, it's just it's it's it's always a struggle, like you can you know, draft what Kelvin Bankster Will Campbell next year? And like, okay, it doesn't mean that all right now, it's.
Well they draft Will Campbell will be done? Like that guy, Let's go to.
Adam in California? What's up Adam, Adam calif for Kendall in North Carolina?
What's up?
Kendall roasted?
Hey, what's going on?
Hey?
I got a question. If the plan this year isn't about winning, man, they probably not going to play because it doesn't allow how are we going to creatos next year? I mean, you're probably just gonna get passed on, like you know how good you did? How we how do we just get gregeous look be able to make syear if we're not trying to win this year, may at it because it offers.
Yeah, I've been on that. I mean, I feel like that's my whole point. And I but Drake will play eventually this year. I think we're all in agreement on that. So hopefully he shows some flashes, you know, whenever he does get into the game. But that is a factory. He needs to show something to showcase himself. Because it's true a lot of these receivers in free agency are at least in part turning them down because they don't have a quarterback.
And maybe they do have a quarterback.
Now it almost feels like I'm worried about everything else besides the quarterback.
Now.
It's very odd, but that's kind of a good problem, right, because it's harder to fix other things as long as we're right right right, Jordan and Hawaii, I have a hypothetical. I know it's hard to speculate, but knowing what you know now about this team. If you were Elliott Wolf and you could go back in time to the draft and trade all the picks you have to get up in the draft and take would you do that to get a premium tackle or option B? Would you not have taken Drake May and instead got that tackle? Just curious? Would you go back you.
Got to take And so we're saying take May and then take all the rest of them and get a left tackle.
Yes, so take May but forfeit all the other picks for a premium left tackle.
Well that I mean, it's not very realistic. This is not draft day.
But yeah, I definitely here in the argument of they had some trades, it seems like some talks about getting back into the end of the first round. Some people had speculated it was for one of the receivers. Others had speculated it was for Tyler Guyton, who ended up getting drafted by Dallas, who plays tackle. If they I don't we don't know what the packages were that were being offered. But if let's say they had an offer on the table for like a second in their fourth round pick this year, maybe in pick into next year, do I now feel like it's fair to second guess that they didn't pull the trigger on that trade. I would say probably yes, But at the same time, like Tyler Guyton could be out here and maybe he's not ready.
And it's not you know, he's a rookie too, he's up and down. Yeah, and it's a late first round pick, so you know, that would.
Have been in favor of that if they could have made a trade like like Evan just explained, Yeah, that would I would have taken a left tackle at the end of the first round if they could have done that.
Yeah.
That's the second guess of the draft to me is that the tackle parade kind of went by and they watched it good.
Who's to say they didn't try, you know, yeah, you know you just said yeah. David Bethlehem, Uh three points. He says, yes, always flush floaters, be considerate and leave the seed if women use it.
Thank you.
Fred still doesn't get that.
I do now. Uh Mao's comment about Jacoby's body of work is misleading. Uh Mayo, Van Pelt, and McAdoo are loath to admit their strategy failed. Briseets knowledge of a playbook that he and the Old Line poorly execute is wrong. Brissett's body of past work does not indicate his present performance.
I understand the part about it their plan being wrong. There they drafted Drake May and it looks like it's going pretty well.
I think maybe he thinks that their strategy is they knew from day one they were going to start per set.
I don't know, well, I think that's a point, though he could debate of you know, should May have gotten more opportunities, and part just to play with the ones and play behind the top line.
Heart that his third point is May has progressed faster than projected. On what planet does the team deliberately choose to play an obviously less talented player. The real unspoken reason Colon Pat's schedule is very hard and there is a chance he could get injured, So Brissett could get injured first, May and Milton will have to be mobile run for their lives. Coaching and play schemes for sedentary Brissett are much different than for mobile May Milton. I'm afraid that AVP squandered the preseason.
So just to go back, I'm sorry, I'm not trying to attack the emailer, but go ahead. He said that the that there's never been a quarterback that's been more talented that sat Tyrod Taylor started the season for the Chargers over Justin Herbert, right, Like, there's no doubt in anybody's mind that Justin Herbert is a better quarterback and more talented than Tyrod Taylor was. But they were in a similar position as the Patriots.
Are in now where Patrick Mahomes and Alex Smith.
Yeah, Patrick Mahomes Alex Smith a good one. Nathan Peterman started over Josh Allen in Buffalo.
Like, there's a lot of situation.
I mean, if you wanted to really be like a jerk, and I understand this is the Andy Hart to the nth degree example, do it? Could you make an argument that Jimmy Garoppolo has more talent than John Brady?
I would.
Jimmy Garoppolo is more talent physically talented than Tom Brady.
Yes, I would.
Now, where it gets blown out of the water is everything else that is required of a quarterback. There was nobody better than Tom Brady. But from a physical just a physical skill set standpoint, Garoppolo had a better release, he moved better in the pocket, he was a better athlete, didn't matter he wasn't anywhere near the quarterback that Tom Brady was. That's not what we're talking about here with Brissett in May. But I'm just saying, like, let's not use terms like why would you ever start the lesser talented guy. If you thought to let the lesser talented guy was more prepared to run your offense, you'd start him. Like That's why now I don't agree with him. I think May is perfectly ready based on admittedly, you know, three weeks of training camp. That's what I'm basing on. That's all I have, so the only data I have.
I think he looks like he's ready enough to play, and he's so far advanced from a skill set set standpoint that to me, it's not even close.
Dylan writes in I know everyone is upset about the offense, mainly the old line, but I just want to say nothing in football matters that much if you don't have a top five ish quarterback. That's what it's all about. The old line and weapons aren't impossible to get. I'm no quarterback girl, but I grew up playing quarterback my whole life, played some college and come from a family of quarterback coaches. Drake May looks good. He really does. I don't know how good he'll be, but I knew right away the last guy wasn't going to be in that category, and this guy might be. And that's what everyone should be excited about. Drake May is my favorite type of quarterback, the guy who can throw it. There's too many quarterbacks out there now that can seemingly do everything else and they're throwing. Isn't their best ability. Give me the big athletic guy who has a good arm and we can work on the footwork and other stuff. I'm excited to watch Drake develop.
Amen.
I agree with everything besides the running thing.
But he comes from a quarterback family, yeah, and coaches what.
Was his name, Kyle Shanahan.
This guy Brian becomes from the Gagney family.
The Gagney family, Okay, I'm familiar with that.
Fani, you know you don't run across them.
And Everett, No, No, he's not from evert someone know that he would if a KB guru lived in every Paul would probably.
That means I would have worked very happy.
People are starting to come around.
Power I right, twenty two lead. It's on one.
On you ever throw the first sound in there, just to keep me.
The first sound was only short yard and yeah, and usually that was when I got my head kicked out.
On the quarterback sneak What hold did that? It was not Tom Brady when it came to quarterbacks sneak?
What hold did that?
Play? Go through?
Left or right?
Thirty two power? I right twenty two lead would be on the left side, left side?
Which hole? Big gap, the big gap, the big gap. Okay, so you numbers and letters three, I like numbers better.
Number went on even it was two four six eight three yeah, three five seven n yeah, I like better. The even left right three technique.
Yeah, I love my playbook. That was one of my most favorite parts when I played freshman football was getting my helmet. Of course we know that, and my playbook and I the first, you know, first day of the coach asked the question I knew, and then you play this guy get to play. Yeah, well it's like thirty two dives the same thing. You know, it's like all right, half back through you know, the big gap, like you know, but you could tell who studied their playbook and I did because I liked.
Jay and Minnesota rights in seeing how much Drake has improved so far. Do you think that him not starting week one might slow down his progress? We've talked about this at finitem. We all know that playing football makes you better at football. I'm hoping they realize he seems to be picking up on his mistakes and getting better at his mechanics. I think it's easier for him to tweak his throwing motion if he's playing early and realizing he can't pump and needs to bring the ball up.
Yeah, I think that could all be true.
It is the fear that you have is that it's going to lead to mistakes, which is going to shoot his confidence down right like that. That's what we're all worried about when it comes to these types of things. But we had to call her. That was called in about you know, said that he's this pretty smart kid, and we were talking to TC McCartney. One thing that he pointed out was that when Drake May comes off the field and him and Van Pelt asked him, hey, what were you seeing out there? His recollection of the coverages is like spot on.
Is that documented what you're saying right now? Or that something? What did you hear that?
Yeah?
Yeah, it's probably in what we have somewhere and uh and he said that, you know, he comes off the field and he's like just like this, like they were in this coverage. They were this is what happened, this is why I did this, This.
Is what that's what you want what I want to hear.
Yeah, that's what we heard about young Tom Brady.
Yeah, oh yeah, that's why I want to hear it memory.
And I had asked him about in the press conference. I had asked him about a play and about the broken play that you threw to kJ Osborne and uh, he called it a cloud coverage and he knew exactly what they and I turned on the film the next day and sure enough, there there was. I was like that he didn't even he didn't see the replay, Like he doesn't, you know, he's not looking at it back.
It's pretty impressive.
It's all appear still trapped.
Play may play may right.
I mean, I've been there since April.
All right, so what do we got the rest of the day cuts the becoming well, you know, finalize them and we'll make them official on Patriots dot Com when they happen. So far, you know, Bailey Zappi, I think was the big news today Ryland Land. If Kevin Harris is true to me, that's a mild surprise, you know. But again we'll we'll get that official at some point this evening. Catch twenty two. What's the schedule for this week?
Thursday afternoon, Thursday afternoon? What time, probably.
Thirty is Catch twenty two on playbook Thursday?
They have a playbook this week Thursday morning, nine thirty.
We can't hear you.
It's probably over the air now, okay, kind of like the callers can't hear that.
Playbook is Thursday, eleven thirty am to eleven thirty on So big day Thursday for the studio wal to wall.
Yeah, Patriots on Thursday, and we'll be.
In the locker room tomorrow for the first time, so we'll hear from Girard and we'll get to.
Enter you in there after the game.
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