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Patriots Unfiltered 3/18: Latest Mock Drafts, Updated Roster Moves, NFL Free Agency

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Tune-in as the PU crew discusses all things Patriots and NFL free agency. We dive into Deuce's controversial mock draft, and he makes his case for taking a running back 4th overall. We talk about New England's latest signees and the notion among Patriots fans that they are neglecting the offense in free agency. Plus, we talk about the latest news around the NFL, and how other teams' signees can effect who will be left for the Patriots to take in the first round.

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I was on the boat.

The Boston area in general, in all four sports, I think they sometimes have a hard time attracting high end free agent talent.

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You've got Keith Lockhart.

I don't understand how it gets such a bad specially if it's not that cold, like grow up.

I mean Bobby Splaine, I think, yeah, Bobby, you know, he seems like he's ready to do it. Today.

He looked like a company guy of the polo.

You see all these guys guys come up and they they.

The guy who organized it for the team.

Right, It's like, why did't the guy from Food and Beverage get up lunch?

Paiale guy?

Different voice obviously, he reminds me a little bit of the leading Mam.

I never got to talk to Sly, but uh.

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All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here at chi Letts Stadium, and boy do we have a lot to talk about. It's Deuce, it's Evan, it's Paul, it's me, it's Matt Nabooth and Deuce, you have riled up Patriots Nation like I've never seen it riled up before with your one point zero mock draft in picking Ashton genty fourth. Overall, we're gonna get into all that. We're gonna have your come at me, bro. Yeah, we're gonna have your reasoning for that. Yeah.

I look forward to it. I look forward to the conversation, Evan. Although some people, just a little some people thought I just did it toatrol not try. I think it's a word of the little conversation.

And you know, I.

Talked about it, and I'm gonna not that if I was the person making the pick, that that's the pick I would make. But I get your reasoning and I'm going to back you up here. I'm going to back you up. I don't think i'd have the nerve to make that pick, but I'm not saying it would be a bad pick that makes any.

Sense, I understand. I think it's going to be a fun, fun discussion.

Passionate. All Right, what else we got? What's going on?

Patrid's nation tat mcmillon's running forties.

Almost he got under four to six.

Huh under four six, which is highly in question.

Yeah, that's well. Yesterday Jordan Schultz reports four four eight. And you know, this is kind of the reason why people get annoyed with Jordan Schultz because he comes out and he posts four four eight was his time, and then the real time start trickling in from everybody else that isn't his agent or whatever, and it's four four five, four four seven, you know, something closer to that, But everybody remembers four four eight because that was the first thing that was reported.

Yeah, do you think that there's a little bit of bs going on at the top of the draft with the report that Tennessee's gonna pick cam Ward But if another team offered them a boatload, they might be willing to move down. Do you think that that's a lot of bs because they aren't. In fact, they don't want to draft cam Ward, they do want to move down.

Well, this is smoke screen season now. Now we're in the thick of it. You know, the initial wave of free agency is over, and so now we're really getting into Pro Days and draft and this is when all the false reports and the smoke screens start flying around as this time of year. And I there's no trades yet, Like every tip team owns their original draft pick in the first round, and if that's that hold, it's gonna be the first time ever that's happened. So I think that what to me, what Dad tells you is not a it's not a great draft where teams feel like we have to have this guy and we have to move up and we have to move around the board to secure that player. So I'm sure the Titans would love to trade out first overall.

To but but see that's my point. If they would love to trade out, that means they don't think cam Ward's that good. Because if you really believe cam Ward can be your quarterback of the future, you're not willing to trade out.

I don't think anybody thinks he's that good, right, And that's the problem.

They don't want to pick cam Ward, the same as the Patriots last year.

I feel like when they kind of knew they wanted Drake or Jayden Daniels, and we'll listen to offers, but it's got to be something amazing that we can't turn down. And we're not gonna put it out there that we're not listening to offers at all.

So I think it's I'm with Fred. Yeah, I don't think they have any intention, right or if they take them, they're going to take him holding their if you believe that. I don't think they want them. I think the Patriots wanted me.

That's the goods And I think Fred is right.

I think they're trying to.

Hold Yeah, if you believe that, if you believe in front of you is the quarterback of the future, there is no there is no trade offer that would make you trade down. You've got the guy. They don't think he's the guy.

Well, just in comparison at the combine, the Bears gave Caleb Williams the playbook and said get going exactly right, let's get started. The Jaguars did it with Trevor Lawrence as well in that draft. There was no question that that was who they were picking. Now, the networks and stuff will drum up controversy just to get clicks and get it, you know, views and stuff like that. But Caleb Williams was the Bear's picks in basically January, right of that off season. So this is not the case with this draft. But I keep coming back to the same thing, and it's true with the Patriots at four, like who's trading up? Like if you are sitting there saying we don't want to pick anybody here. Nobody wants to pick anyone there, right and there's no there's no value to the picks. And that's why I think everybody is staying put right now. And there hasn't been a major trade in the draft because I just don't think anybody's worth it in this class.

And I think all of this ties in to the reasoning for Mike's pick for Ashton genty well, because because if you look at best players available, Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter topped the list, and I think you can make the case after those two from a pure football standpoint, best of his class could be you know a player that might have a Hall of Fame future, it's Ashton Genty. Yeah.

I mean I think like a lot of people that had criticism for it, I don't think Reddit. I mean, they look at what the graphic is on Twitter, but they don't really look at the explanation. But I mean I said, look, if Hunter Carter there, they sign me up all day long.

But you don't think they will be.

It's I don't think they will be.

And I also don't think Tevan's point that anybody's going to be clamoring to trade.

Up for the fourth pick.

So you know, for a lot of people who you know their responsible, so you got to trade out of it, well okay, but who do you pick if not? And otherwise you're you're gonna deal with an issue with that position, right. I mean, Evan just came out with he just dropped his mock draft to what the slate clean of mine? You know, clear, clear the clear the board, so to speak. But you know, well, will Campbell great pick, but some questions Tech McMillan, I can see it. Some questions, you know, And that's that's kind of where I came to this this edition of the month.

Yeah, and I understand where you know Fred's going because I said the same thing, Like I would not take Genty at four. I don't necessarily believe in the position that high. But I completely understand the thought process. I would just push back and say, well, why is Genty that guy? Why is it not Tyler Warren? Or why is it not Will Campbell? To to Evan's point, why why does it have to be Genty as the next best player of the draft. Now, if that's Mike's view and thought, you know, more power to you. But I don't necessarily look at Genty as like this hall of fame caliber running back, and if you pass up on him, you know you're you're losing out on an opportunity. Maybe he will be, but you know, maybe Will Campbell will be a Hall of Fame guard, Maybe Tyler Warren will be a Hall of Fame tight end.

It's all a matter of or the.

Jeojia guys that might. I know Mike likes a lot too.

It's right, it's all a matter of who, though, do you think is most likely to be the best at their position?

Right?

I don't think Genty is that I personally I do now, I just don't think he has that kind of explosiveness. But here's where I'm going to really defend Mike and probably irritate Evan because Evan and I are lock step on the running back thing. But by all accounts, I haven't really seen very many mock drafts that don't have genty in the top ten. Somewhere in the top ten.

He went in six, and jeremiahs that he just came.

So was it really like a farce? And we're going to get to some of the comments that Mike, you know, got yesterday. Is it really a farce that we're going to take a guy who was projected at seven at four?

I think?

Is that position?

Is that cause for like revolt?

Well? I think I think I understand. I also understand where the Revolts coming from. They want to win today. They who is going to help Drake May the most? And they're looking at wide receiver and tackle. But that's the point that I think they're overlooking what a generational running back.

You refer to this guy in a way that I'm uncomfortable with.

Fine, okay, but an elite running back can do for an offense.

You know, I mean, that's I mean, that's part of the argument, and I think that's something that is again a worthwhile conversation. Who helps Drake May the most? Is it Will Campbell is a left tackle? Probably certainly if he's very good. Is he a left guard? Maybe a little bit less but still helps him a little bit? Tyler Warren, Yeah, that.

Moves the needle.

But if you were to live in the place where let's let's go.

Optimistic on Ashton Genty and he is that guy and he is as good as you know, Ladanian Tomlinson is the comp in NFL dot com. But you know, let's just play along. I think that Drake May if you put Ladanian Tomlinson into this offense, because oh I would too.

He's a guy who can.

If going to take some five running back of all time, right right, Just not comfortable with the description of Genty, Like do you think Sakwan Barkley is that?

Yes, what do you do for the Giants?

Well, again, what do you blame the Giants? You to blame Barkley for that? But he had a lot of injury.

I think he is what he is. Yeah, he's a running back and most of those guys are wildly reliant on the blocking. Yeah, there are very few guys like Barry Sanders who it doesn't matter what you do for the block. He's just gonna make plays. Sure.

Fair point.

But I think but in some of the scouting reports, that's what some people view Genty as a guy that can offset some deficiency offensive line.

Yeah.

I think that's the biggest thing that you know, where I would have pushback on Genty is just you're putting the car for before the horse, Like you don't have an offensive line behind this right in front of this running back for him to run behind. And so how is ASHINGENTI gonna make dudes missing the backfield.

Run and run right behind Morgan Moses and when you.

Okay, and so the backside is just gonna have no factor on the play.

Like you build that wall behind you know how to do it.

I don't know how to build the way.

But it still just goes back to you can't choose what order you get things.

And you know that's true.

Look, this is part of I mean, if this guy did end up being la Damiani and he you can't tell me that that's not a home run pick for the Patriots. And now I get Paul's point that he probably is not going to be that good. I mean, in a perfect world, you'd love to find what what was Curtis Martin a third round pick, you know, that comes in and you know maybe has a little bit of a similar effect for Bledsoe in the offense and rounds things out a little bit. You know, they were able to get Terry Glenn obviously, I mean not to throw it too far back, but I just I just see it as this was the worst run offense in the league last year according to dv WA. They were thirty second, and a lot of people are will they have remandre I don't did anyone feel great about Ramondre Stevenson right now?

No?

But I think the bigger problem with Rominder Stevenson is inability to hold out of the ball. I don't really necessarily have a huge problem with his running style or ability. Yeah, I don't think he's anything special. I mean, I think he's a run of the bill back.

This comes down to do you think Genty's special?

But I don't think it just comes down to that though, because like Sequon Barkley is special, Christian McCaffrey is special. They did nothing for Carolina and the Giants. They did nothing for either team and they issue quarterbacks. Okay, but like who's he throwing to and who's protecting him? Like he you know you have a passing offense. You can't you know, build an effish and passing offense without protection and receivers. So like when you take a guy like Genty, you know you're really your best case scenario for a guy like Genty is like Zeke Elliott in Dallas. But Zeke Elliott and Dallas is running behind Tyron Smith and Zach Martin and future Hall of Fame offensive lineman. So when he comes into the league, I think is four overall to the Cowboys that year, Like he's got a whole infrastructure around to.

And I think this is where the outrage comes from. The people don't think they have that infrastructure. It's just a waste.

This sounds like the same argument to me that we got from Drake May last year, where you can't Tommy Current tell me you can't draft Drake May.

You have no offensive line, right, but.

The quarterback moves the needle more than a running back camp So like it's a more can't.

But now you have the quarterback and you're you're trying to add good football players to this team because they don't.

I understand Mike's rationale. I mean, we've talked about it off here. I disagree with it, but like I totally understand it.

Well that's I think, Like I just think this is a good conversation and it's good debate, and it's you know, rather than sitting around.

The point is you didn't just throw it out there just to get clicks.

And the other part of this that that comes into it. And Mike did the mock demented, but Mike, Mike did the mock draft with Carter and Hunter gone. Now the more time is going on, the more people putting mock drafts together, and both of those quarterbacks are going in the top three, which is going to leave one of those two guys. And Mike, I think would be the first one to admit, if Carter or Hunter is available, you're taking taking one of those guys. Not not gent.

That's right, and I think we all agree.

You guys had a cut, was it Jeremiah and Hyper now suddenly have both quarterbacks or three? I would be surprised if that happens. I'm with you, Fred, I'm very skeptical of what I'm hearing at this time of year, especially with guys that are just so imperfect as prospects.

I would like to do a study of what the results of the draft actually are compared to what the chatter is at different times, and I would in my hypothesis is that the early talk right after the college football season as to where guys are going to go is the most accurate talk, and then as it goes it's crazy.

But if you go back to the first impressions that might and just who's but whose impressions once the scouts stopped doing it, well, No, I think what happens when.

Guys fluctuate wildly is the draft experts, the college football draft knicks. Ye don't know what the NFL was gonna do, and once the NFL starts looking, that's when they fall into play. I don't think within the NFL there's as much like this guy everybody thought was going number ten and he ended up going thirty eight. I don't think that happens in the NFL.

Unless there's something off the field going right on the player.

Yeah, but I agree what I'm saying. Yeah, I think the GM, We are very consistent.

We catch up to them, yes, not the other way around. So as more information is starting to come out about these players, you know, we always talk about the combine. Most of these teams know who's going to test well and who's going to test poorly at the combine. So I'll give you an example like armand Membu, you know from Missouri. He has been for teams a top prospect in this class since January. Now the media is seeing his combine, and they're watching the film, and they're getting more information about the player, and they're figuring out things that the scouts in the GMS have known for months, and so I think a lot of the media fodder is catching up to the NFL. So I would actually say we learn a little bit more about it later on in the process, especially at the combine. Like the you know, once we get to the combine, they've already had their their kind of fall scouting meetings or you know, we kind of a pass that point and they start to set the board a little bit. Uh in February, that's when the teams are really starting to hammer down who's truly in play at like four overall.

Like like at the end of the season, it was Campbell and Banks, Campbell and Banks, Campbell and Banks. I don't hear anything about Banks anymore, right, And the only thing I hear about Campbell is his arm length, because I think the NFL looks at it differently than the drafts experts, you know. I thought that's a great I'm not disparaging the draft that I think they a lot of these guys do a lot of work on these prospects. Yeah, I don't think they know where they're going to go.

Right, That's what And that's why I think it's hard to read in between the lines on Will Campbell, as you know, his arm link, because I think one hand, the NFL is telling you that it really does matter, and you know, but we're still kind of circling back to him now at this point. So I don't know. I don't know.

So I had a thing I heard on the radio this morning, and I didn't see it. I meant to.

Actually look it up your shows, your shows.

Well, someone said that Sports Illustrated had a projected trade a proposal with San Francisco. Did you see that.

I don't know why we entertained trades like this, all right.

So I just want to I'm going to say, I'm gonna state. I'm going to state the trade, and I want to know what you guys say.

We live in a real world.

Okay, So Evan la Evans with me. It's the Patriots and the Niners, uh, swapping picks from four to eleven, and the Patriots get Brandon Ayuk and a second round pick.

Okay, I mean, I mean Brandon Ayuk would he'd have to be dragged here right, just forget that?

Okay, Well, San Francisco is moving up seven spots in the draft and in return giving you Brandon Ayuk and a second round pick. That doesn't seem odd to you. No, I would fire John Lynch on the spot if he made that trade. I would do if I was Oh, if I was the Patriots, I would.

But I read a report today on Twitter that what's getting lost in the whole Brandon Ayuk thing is the forty nine ers really don't want to pay him.

No. But what I'm saying is, if you're trading a talent like Brandon Ayuk, you shouldn't have to be giving up a second round pick and only moving up seven spots. So to move up seven spots. You're giving up a really good player and a very valuable pick. That doesn't seem like out of what the.

Only did you think from Patriots perspective?

Patriots? I'll do that all day, every day. That's what the Patriots want. Now, they don't have to worry about kept me knowing they can go down and get a tackle. Maybe members available at eleven.

But you're keeping your first round pick.

The moving up seven spots, that's it. That's all they got. They get seven spots in the draft.

No, but they don't get our they're getting four.

You're getting eleven.

Oh so you're getting there as well.

Yes, I thought that's what I'm saying.

It's a pipe thought we were only getting Ayuk in their second.

Plus you're moving up, plus you're you're moving down. So the Patriots are moving down seven spots and getting.

So Now I now I agree Lynch should be fired because I thought you were just getting Ayuk in their second.

Now, unless this was Mike is right. It was on one of my shows this morning with Hardy and Fred, and Fred had said that that was the proposal that Sports illustrated throughout there. I did not see the proposal. Maybe he did not accurately portray the proposal, but that's what he said.

I'm getting there first, their second in Ayuk Lynch should be fired. There's no way.

They just just for seven spots.

Yeah, there's no way. But if they're not getting nothing first, then I could see.

To say nothing like the fact that what is available at four that you like that you know of?

You know, so you still have eleven, you know, so yeah, go to eleven.

Back on planet Earth.

But I just thought that was like if they were if there wasn't a first round swap, would you do it if you were the Patriots?

No, So you're giving up four for a Yuk in a second?

Yeah, it's a little bit more feasible, right.

Yeah, it's definitely feasible.

Yeah.

I would not because.

Now you've got to worry about are Yuk's health.

No, I got to worry about Ayuk. He doesn't want to come here.

Yeah, but that's something you work out before you make a trade. Yeah, he's on board. Yeah, if you're making that trade, you're not making that trade blind.

Yeah, you probably don't know this public who was San Francisco trading up to get.

Well, that's what I'm saying like, what is the fourth pick? Like, I guess it would be contingent on one of those two being available. Yeah, but I just do would you do if?

I mean, that gets a little bit for me too, Like, I mean.

I still think you're giving way too much, right, if you're San Francisco, it's either are you or this? Like, it's not both?

Can I can I throw out a little playoff thing. It has to do more with the other sports of the three sports than football, but it just occurred to me it's a it's a playoff adaption. So let's just let's just take the NBA. You get into the playoffs the same way as always, you know, based on your record, Then you get seeded. Everything stays the same. But once you get into the individual series, the home court advantage is dictated by the head on head season matchup. So let's just say the first seed is playing the sixth seed or whatever. If it just so happens that the sixth seed has a better record against that team, they get the home court. It's a little bit of incentive to make the regular season games more valuable because you never know who you're going to be playing in the playoffs, and if if I don't if I don't have the better record against them in the regular season, I could lose home court advantage.

Would you try it against the teams that aren't in the playoffs?

Well no, So if the teams are that bad that they're out, then of course why would to say it's a little bit of juice.

But why wouldn't the same juice be generated by trying to win so you have the better record and therefore can.

Host no because you well you always try to do that, but there's a lot of games where you just take it off, you know.

Right, So what's going to change, Like, you're not going to know who you're playing in the playoffs, so you don't know which games you can't take off.

That's the point. You don't know who you're going to So every game becomes a little bit more valuable when you're playing. When you're playing might.

Well the good teams against it might get a little bit, but against the bad teams, it's not.

There's nothing you can do about it.

Like the Celtics want to finish with the better best record they can so they can host as many rounds in the playoffs as they can. Not necessarily we need to beat the Indiana Pacers because we might play them in a two seven matchup.

But that's but that's the point.

But but I just have to have the better records, so I need to try. Like I don't understand why my effort is changing.

But but now the better record doesn't always help you. If you if you didn't try against the Pacers and you end.

Up actually punishing the team for trying during the season, No, because they didn't try.

I'm rewarding the team for trying during the season.

By having a better record. That's how you try.

If I didn't try in a game against the paid No, if I didn't try, if I didn't try against a game against the Pacers and they end up having a better season record against US, I could lose home court. So I have to try against every team that I might play in the playoffs.

Okay, but what about the teams that you're not going to play in the playoffs? But those are they're like, there's already not a lot of incentive in the NBA, example for the Celtics to try against like the Washington Wizards.

There there's nothing I can do about it, and they're never gonna try in those games.

All right, but now I try even less because the head to head is the only thing that matters. So all they have to invest in is Milwaukee, Indiana.

The seedings. The seedings are still there in terms of you know who you're gonna play in the playoffs.

That don't you don't you always try against the teams that you perceive to be good.

Well again, if you if you're if you're.

The Gvins, point like we're gonna take the Brooklyn game the Wizard.

If you're the Pacers, then you end up having a better season record against the Celtics, there's no reward.

There shouldn't be.

I think there should be not if you don't have.

As good a record.

It's an eighty two.

If the Jets beat the Patriots twice but finished with an inferior record, they're not hosting the playoff game.

But football is different. That's why I said it doesn't really apply.

I don't think it's unfair like the other team has a better record.

No, I'm not saying it's I'm just trying a little bit extra juice for some games in the NBA, and you could work in the NHL too.

Take April in the season with the Pacers season series is three to three, right, and this game in April might decide where.

So instead of like sitting guys to rest them, I need to play them.

Well, I mean I was just at unfortunately they lost, but I was at the Celtics Thunder game and that was not Yeah, that was the low stakes game.

No, that's what I'm saying.

This game if teams are missing guys.

But you don't lose that in this thing, you don't lose that instead of either you're just adding.

But you're not adding anything.

You are he just he just said it.

And that off chance that that scenario happens at the end of the season.

And you have no way of knowing what that team is, You're you're talking about like a one in a million shot, Like, oh, we're playing the Knicks and the playoffs and we have the Knicks in April and the season series is tied, Like what are the odds of that?

I don't know, But I'm just saying that you don't know who you're gonna play in the playoffs, especially especially early in the season.

Like would Adam Silver, I'd rather reward the team that wins the most games to ensure that they play as hard as they can, and as many of.

Those eighty twos, well, you are rewarding. They're getting the reward by the seed that doesn't go away.

I think that the problem with the NBA is that there's not enough incentive for finishing the season with a better record. Because now, I mean it used to be back in the day that home court advantage mattered a little bit in the NBA, but it's evening out more and more as the years go on. So like now, if you're a team like the Celtics.

That have.

Proven commodity, a defending champion, like, they're not going to empty the tank in the regular season because they'll get to the playoffs and everybody will be healthy and they'll they'll now, But that's because the only like I think that's disincentivizing you is that Game seven won't be in your home arena. That's it. And if you're the Celtics, you're saying Game seven, we're not going to get the Game seven. So what difference doesn't make right?

I think? So, I think you home court advantage is still something you want.

Statistically, it matters less and less, especially in the NBA. It used to be a really heavyweight to home court advantage because of the referee. The refs used to give hometown calls and all that kind of stuff that doesn't happen as much anymore, and so now it's pretty even. Like you can go into another team's arena in the playoffs and win. It's not unheard of. So to me, it's like, why, you know, the Celtics are you know, off the pace with the Calves or the number one seed, Like, why are the Celtics emptying the take in the last five weeks of the season to try to catch Cleveland. Yeah, like, well, meet Cleveland in the playoffs, We'll have three games on our home court and we'll see who wins. Yeah, you know.

I just think if there's any way that you can incentivize each game to be more important, Like if teams go in like we want to win every season series against every team, I think that's a good thing.

See, I think to make it more important is I guess what I'm getting at is that I think that the home team or the team with the better record should have more home games than just four versus three, because I don't I don't think it's enough of an incentive because if you're a really good team like Boston, you're thinking to yourself, what the worst case scenario is that we have a coin flip Game seven in Cleveland. That's the worst case scenario, and so we'll take our chances, right like, we think we're the better team, will take our chances. But if a series was this team got five home games to two home games.

Now now all they now I can listen.

Now, all of a sudden, it makes more sense. Or let's say the first three games of the series are all in Cleveland. Okay, right, you.

Know it's the same. It's giving more importance to that season series.

It's giving more importance to the regular season because I think right now, and it happens every time, like the Nuggets, the Celtics, the Warriors, at the end, they don't care like they'll just get to the playoffs, and they have more moxie and they have more experience.

I think you away is going to actually have unintended consequences. I think teams could say, well, we don't really care about the regal season, but we're gonna really we're gonna empty the bucket in those four games against the Celtics, because that's all we care about. We need to have that home court against them. It doesn't matter if we don't have as good a record as they do. So we'll rest all our guys more than we normally would, right, because all we got to do was worry about those four games. Yeah, I mean I would rather have, like for the Celtics eighty two games. What do you say, this is probably maybe twenty that they looked at and said, you know, the two against Denver, the two against Okay, see the Knicks games, the Bucks games Cleveland, Cleveland, you know.

But that's that's one of the they're focusing on. Well, that's because the league stinks, right, there's only six good teams level right, right, the West is better than the East.

The West is way better.

But when you look at you know, the Celtics again, like every time they play one of those teams that you mentioned, it's a pseudo playoff game.

They tried.

They you know, it's it's all hands on deck and they.

Put a lot but anyway.

Well, yeah, but you know, he's he's a wild card to begin with. But you have those are real games, Like you know, I have Ma Siico, so I watch every single game. But like there's a big difference between the game against Brooklyn the other night and the OKAC game that I went to last week, right, and that that's just and.

You see this, You could tell the scores when the Celtics took like they beat Utah like a week and a half ago by like six points, the game that the two of them had forty Yeah. Right, then they beat Brooklyn by two the other night, like you know, when they took the foot off the gas. There's no way that they're only beating Utah by six points if they're giving in an honest effort. But you know, the game against Cleveland, the game against Okay, see, those were awars. Yeah, those are really hard fought. That the game that they beat Denver on like the Sunday afternoon, that was a hard fought, well played game.

Yep.

But there's just not enough of them in that league. That was our NBA minute.

It was just something I was thinking about to just give a little bit more shoes to these regular season games. A five to five past five hundred is the a ticket hotline. No, I'm sorry, it's just the hot line. Nobody sponsors it's.

Uh.

And then podcasts at Patriots Dot com is the email address getting a lot of people want to weigh in. I can't imagine what they want to weigh in. Uh, so let's start with Todd North Carolina. What's up, Todd?

Hey, guys, It's been an interesting conversation, but I just like to relate some of the conversations that I've heard around here. I don't know why, but I'm in the middle of a Pittsburgh fan base and there's tons of them, and they're really serious about if Shador's still available at four they want them. They want the tomlind to do whatever it takes to get up there and get him because they feel like Tomlin's, you know, his his tenure is coming to a close througher then later and they think they have enough talent.

Now to maybe make it somewhere.

So you say, the Pittsburgh like, yeah, okay.

So that's what they're they're interested in. So I'll take the answer up there.

Thanks, all right.

So it's the biggest question draft from respective is what teams really want him and are willing to spend capital to get up and get him. And I think I'm still skeptical. Well, it sounds nice for the fans I don't.

Know twenty one, so I just can't see that.

Yeah, And I guess we have to talk about it. If we're going to talk about the Steelers, we have to talk about Aaron Rodgers, right, because he's now connected to them. He says he's going to reveal his decision on Thursday.

I love how he acts like it's his decision.

Right and who is it from the Steelers? On his accounts that either you're a Steeler or you're not, either you want to be with us or not, aiming that at Aaron Rodgers, and I agree, like, if you're a Steelers player, it's like, screw you.

Yeah, you know, Patriots fans would probably hope he goes to Pittsburgh because that's outside of you know, the structure. You they've had. There's been ties with Russell Wilson to Cleveland. I think he visited Cleveland recently. There's been ties to Rogers with the Giants. Like that would be a disastrous scenario for the Patriots that if those two things both happened, then there's no way that obviously by process of elimination, that both quarterbacks can go in the top three. So I think you're looking at someone like Pittsburgh. To take Aaron Rodgers would be better because that leads both Cleveland and the Giants also in search of a veteran quarterback to eliminate the need to take Sanders.

And then Rodgers has also been tied to Minnesota.

Minnesota, which I don't really which is.

So wild because that's the exact path of Brett Favre.

Yeah, but like, can you guys, I mean, you guys are smarter than me. You guys always tell me these things. I don't look at them. Sometimes I think that would be crazy for Minnesota. First of all, everybody knows what I think of Rogers, Like, I just think he's a bad teammate. Yeah, I don't think he has the ability anymore to overcome his bad teammateenance. To make up a phrase, but if you wanted to roll the dice with him, and just like, I'm not only going to bring that into my team that won fourteen games last year, but I'm going to risk doing damage to my young quarterback who sat out his rookie year as a red shirt with injury like that can't be a good situation for JJ McCarthy to be in.

I heard about like I heard a report on McCarthy that like he's down to like one hundred and seventy pounds.

He lost a lot of weight after the surgery. He had to have a clean up procedure.

Yeah, so they're not even sure he's going to be ready.

No, I understand the reservations about, Like I understand why they wanted to entertain Sam Donald coming back, do you know what I mean? Yes, well, he's just thought about taking gentyet. I understand the reservations about wanting to, you know, bring back Sam Donald, you know, as an insurance policy. I don't understand Aaron Rodgers is the fallback.

I don't.

I think that's all coming from Rogers. I think the Minnesota buzz is coming.

For Kevin O'Connell's sake. I hope you're right.

I just I don't see it either as a fit. I don't see this system as a fit either for him. You know, the way they run their office, and so I don't see that as a as a great Rogers style system either. And I just I think that that's all Rogers would of course, he would love to go to throw to Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison and the weapons that they have in Minnesota. Like it's clearly an attractive team to quarterback, like you look at Sam Darnold did last year with that offensive system and those weapons. But I don't think that the Vikings have a ton of interest in Donald. I think Donald has a ton of interest in the Vikings.

Rodgers, Rogers, Yeah, sorry, yeah, yeah, So I mean I do think that Rogers is going to impact at least a couple of teams, if not more. And what does he say?

Thursday Cousins is still out there too, right because.

He's on in Atlanta. But you know, I think I think he can be had.

Yeah.

Yeah, but they have a like a roster bonus situation going on.

Yeah, so it's still on the roster.

Yeah.

Those are the three vets right now. Is there anyone else other than Wilson Rodgers?

And I mean you could make I mean, not that you would want to start, like.

Huh, Jill Milton the course another.

But I mean you have Jameis Winston, Gardner, Minshew, not Gus, not guys that you want to start. I mean I think that if you were a team that got left at the altar, you could sort of sell yourself on a Russell Wilson or a Kirk Cousins. But I don't know if you want to go into a year with Gardner Minshew as your starter.

And who was at Tennessee Cleveland the Giants? Is there anybody else who was clearly without us starting?

I mean, like the Raiders in New Orleans are long term needs right, Like they're not. They don't necessarily need a twenty twenty five starter, but they're going to be in the quarterback harrousel at some point, you know here soon.

I heard a report that the Patriots are asking for a third rounder for.

Milton Cleveland's Cleveland Plain dealer Tony Grossi, I believe, said that the price that the Patriots are asking for would be a third round pick, which I think is smart. I don't think they'll get it, but I think that's smart.

See, I would have asked for more, like you can only be told you're crazy, Like you know, like why stop at a third round pick? Like I'm not saying I'll ask for a first round pick necessarily, but like, but.

How much weight do you give to the Grossi report? I think he's like did he get that from another team that inquired with the Patriots?

And the Patriots said, I don't know he's I mean, he's a pretty respected guy who's been around for.

A long time.

But yeah, it's a good it's a fair point doesn't mean it doesn't mean it's fact, but I just think it's a it's a good uh. I mean, I think it's unrealistic for the Patriots, but I think it's good to shoot high. I think that he was a he was a sixth round pick. He's a Day three guy. You're probably getting a Day three pick back for him if you trade him. I wouldn't trade him, not for a Day three pick. You know, I wouldn't trade him. I would. I would hope that he can be the backup. I don't know that he can. And I know they've signed Joshua Dobbs, but I don't I would, I would keep him.

I just want to bring up Chase and Higgins signing with the Bengals.

So I think that T.

Higgins dreams didn't see that probably gone. It's not funny how they stayed aimed it though, like the highest paid number two of all time.

You know, I think strive you numbers in your letters.

The best Z.

Doesn't and Kyle re signed.

What was that?

So what they just did your salary and they try to get him back for Yeah, just.

I don't know you could.

I was happy for Evan because everyone was so conflicted. Last week they're blowing it up like did Kyle really do this?

Kyle still knows ball?

I mean, Kyle did this had to be something.

Whispers.

All right, let's go to Patty and agawam. What's up Patty?

Afternoon?

Gentlemen?

What's up?

Brad?

Can you give me a little bit of a vine, because I did want to cover a few things. The first thing is, I'm sorry. I said this the last year and I'll stay it again this year. I want no part of Brandon Ayuk. I don't think he's the number one guy. To me, it looks like after he got paid in stan Brand last year, he looked and played like a third and and he ended up getting hurt. Sorry, I don't want them. I just want to be on record with that.

And I think the mutual for him. But that's how many games?

That's all right, I don't want them. The second thing you were talking about is there do you believe that the Titans are going to take Ward with the first pick?

Well, don't believe.

Now we said for well for many years, what did we what did we stay around here?

Fred?

Don't listen to what Belichick says, look at what he does. I can't take credit for this, but I think I was listening to Bucky Brooks and Daniel Jeremiah, and I think Brooks brought up that said, like, gms will lie to the media, but they won't lie what they're wallet. And look at what they did in free agency. I mean they signed Dan Moore Junior and Zeitler pretty much shored about the offensive line, and I mean everyone that I'm listening to says is saying the exact same thing. They're showing up the offensive line. To draft a quarterback with the first pick might not be Ward. It could be standards, which would be crazy. But to me, I think Ward's going number one overall. Now, let's get the deuce. I listened to a few podcasts last night taking shots that you two deuces. I don't think gen you would be a bad pick. Maybe in the future. Mike Evan said, once we you know, get a couple of pieces, once we solidify the left tackle position. But I think at this point where this team is right now. I don't think he moves the needle because I mean, if we can't open up holes, yeah, I mean, are you just gonna run behind the right hand side of all year long and you know not try and run up the middle. I mean, we we need we need a center, we need left guard, and we need a left tackle. We need to solidify those positions before we can even consider taking a running back of.

That high value.

That's all I got. I'll talk to you guys on Thursday.

Okay, Thanks, Patty.

See, sometimes though, I just feel like we've lost the plot a little bit.

You know.

It's just like, and I remember when I first started working here, and these kind of lines are like, we need.

A god, we need a guard so bad.

I'm like, I get it, Like, and that's kind of like the football thing to say, like we've got to solidify.

But it's also just.

Making the case that if there was an all Pro talent on the for the worst offense in football last year, that maybe it makes sense. Maybe you know, I know we didn't put it together and right the right way, but maybe it makes sense to draft a guy who's arguably maybe depending on how I feel about Travis.

Hunter, the second best offensive.

Yeah, people with the order of things. Okay, so maybe maybe this year, maybe this year they only win seven games, and maybe having the running back was you know, helped you win a couple of extra games this year. But next year, now you've already got that guy and now you add the tackle or you know, like you can do it that way.

But I just I can't, Like, do you have to the floor of the running game is the blocking Okay? The floor like how good your body?

Like?

Your floor is is blocking schemes, system and the infrastructure around the running back. Yeah, so the running backs the finishing touch, right Sakuon Barkley in Philadelphia, he comes in and he takes their running game from a B plus to an A plus because he's really good. Okay, but if you have an f as your infrastructure to the running game, the running back is not going to make it any better.

Okay for one year, but what if the next year you do add those pieces.

Okay, so we're just gonna kick the can down the road on left tackle and receiver again, like we're just gonna be doing having the same conversations again.

Now you might have to regardless of My point is if there was a left tackle.

If Orlando Brown was in this draft, it be a no brainer or one of my I say, Orlando Brown, I think Orlando, Yeah.

Now I would not.

If there was a blue chip tackle in this draft, it would be a no brainer. That's the there isn't though, Okay, and I think that this running back might be a blue chipper.

Okay, you guys are higher on him than I.

I will just say that.

All we're doing is, you know, changing the order.

Of he and I don't have any problem with changing the order. And I'm a little surprised than Patty just alluded to this too a little bit too. I'm a little surprised with how many people are out on so many good players, because well, what good would that do. They're not gonna They're not gonna make a Super Bowl run this year anyway. Like right, They're so lacking in talent that I think any players that you can get that will increase your roster's talent level in general, you should be in on.

But by how much. But like the gap between Remandre and Genti, it's not the same as Viderien Lowe and the tackle.

I started the whole thing by saying this, has nothing to do with gent d Like I'm just saying, how many you know? Like, well, T Higgins is available, Patriot's not ready for t Higgins, Like they're not They're not good enough. Why why spend the money now Brandon Nyuk might be available. I don't want Brandon Nyuk. He played like a turd last year, Like I don't know what that even means, Like he got hurt, he tore his a cl in the seventh game of the year, Like, so he's a turd. Now let out if you do. If you don't want him because you're worried about the knee, that makes sense. I'm worried about the knee, especially explosive players like that. Oftentimes it takes a whole year and a lot of times they don't get it back at all. So that's a concern if you don't want to give up, to Evan's point, at what cost, If you don't want to give up the resources that it would take to get Brandon Ayuk. I get it. But people don't necessarily want these good players because the Patriots are in a position to get them. And it's like Mike said, it's all like a flashback to last year. You can't take Drake May because you're not ready for him. At some point, your sole goal needs to be I don't care what position they play, and I don't care what it takes. We need to get better. And if Fred's theory can come true and you can go from four wins to eight wins, that's not acceptable to anybody.

Right.

It has to go from four to twelve like Washington did. That's the only way you can rebuild one year all at wants Bang. We have to go from nothing to the NFC Championship, right, Like I think, you just need to get better.

I don't think Gent makes you any better.

Again, this is not about Gent. This is not about if it's Will Campbell. If it's Will Campbell, I'm fine. Like this whole idea that you have to do it this way I hate because I've seen so many different teams do it so many different ways. Just get better players and the rest will take care of itself. And I understand Evan's reservations because I agree with Evan on running back. I do this, But if this is just thinking that Genty is head and shoulders better than Will Campbell and Tyler Warren, then I would take him. I don't believe he is. That's why I'm with Evan. But if you thought that, I don't think that's a dumb pick.

Now, if you're telling me, a better offensive line makes Drake May better and it makes the existing wide receivers better, and okay, I get it, I get it. But you know people are nobody's selling me on these these tackles.

Well that's I mean, I I don't know. I can't sell you on the tack anymore than I've tried. But like, I think the other thing that needs to be.

Saying, are you picking Will Campbell number four?

Yeah, I'd pick Will Campbell, okay, because I think that Will Campbell elevates the talent level of your offensive line, no matter if he ends up being a guard because of the arms and he ends up being a guard, your offensive line is gonna be a lot better with Will Campbell on it than it is without it. Right, And I'd say the same thing about armand Membu depending on which side he plays, Like, I don't think it especially at that position, it matters less and less right tackle, left tackle, because there's a lot of really good guys that rush over the right side too. So like it doesn't necessarily make that big of a difference, But I think it also has to be said in a draft like this, like the running back class is absolutely stacked, So you're talking about a class that's gonna have twenty plus guys drafted in the first four rounds at the position. So not only are we talking about is it the most valuable position to draft for the Patriots, but we also have to compare what's the drop off between genty and the running backs that are going to go on Day two in early Day three? And is that significant enough to take genty at four? Like I think that out of everything is why I just can't fathom any team doing it. It's like, like, why would you draft genty at four overall when you could draft somebody.

The only reason you would you think the gap is bigger and you think Genty is that good. That's the only reason you do.

Right, But when you combine the gap probably not being as big, especially relative to other positions in the gaps at those spots, with the positional value of running backs, like it just inherently cannot be that big, Like we just know that it's not that big period, Like Sakwon Barkley is a fantastic running back, but even he is not that much better than like the fifth or sixth best running back in the league from a value standpoint. So even if you look at gent and say he's better than Amari and Hampton, or he's better than Cam Skataboo, like, the actual impact on the field is not going to be felt. Like you're gonna have very similar comparable stats as long as the blocking and all that stuff is good. So I just the drop off at that position is just there's just so many guys there, like you could list off, you know, every guy that ran a four to four at the combine at that spot. It was like ten guys in a row, you know.

But there were a lot of people like when you listen to them, you know, Cooper Cup. We talked a lot about Cooper Cup and Fred by the way, I'll give you your flowers as you kids say. There was there was a market form a bigger market than I thought.

It would be fifteen million three years.

That's but I also think that there was some interest in him. I didn't I thought there would be one of two teams. It seemed like there was more than that. And certainly fifteen million. I know that's fake money, but yeah, fifteen millions is a higher you know average than I was anticipating. So you were right on that one. See I don't always, I don't always just take my ball and go home. I actually sent that to Fred over the weekend when I saw all the the Cup. But people didn't want Cup, like people don't didn't want DK Metcalf. No, no, no, we're not ready for him. That's not gonna We're not ready. We're not We're not going to at some point. You just have to find a way to get better players to help your young players look better and progress and develop as much as they can. Lineman, Absolutely, you need better Lineman, you need better everything better coaching. Why did they it's all about the defense? Why is all a free agentcy? Because the defense stunk too. They needed to fix the defense just as much as the offense. They went out and they did that. You know, they got Spolene, they got Harold Landry, they got Milton Williams, Carlton Davis. Like they needed those players. They're all going to start.

And those were lower hanging fruits, so like take take them, make those apples and then we'll go for the ones that are a little higher up.

It makes you feel a little bit better looking at it at four. Overall, from that perspective of that, they're probably going to get better. And I think you know, you just wanted them to hit the home run. You know, you want them to take the guy that five years from now when you look back, you say, yeah, he was staring us in the face.

And we and if it's genty, you'll be mocking Evan And.

I like, and I'll lay down my sword here and a second on the gent thing. But like, how could it be genty? Like he's literally gonna have to be like Walter Payton for it to be genty. We still entertained the possibility because I just I don't I don't see the vision of like unless you're projecting that he's gonna be Ladanian Tomlinson, Like I like, did where's how.

Do you how he and Thomlinson sign me up?

Right?

But he's not gonna be Ladanian Thomlins.

You would have to think that that's who we you know, he's.

Of that caliber, right, Like if he's just gonna be you know the other comp A lot of people used for him is like Alvin Kamara, who's like a really good player, but like that's not like Ladanian Tomlinson.

But it's so funny. It just shows you the value of that position now because like for Will Campbell, we're like, man, as long as he's serviceable and he can play the position, it'll be fine. That's not the case with running back. He's gotta be Walter.

I don't want a serviceable Taco at number four, Like I wouldn't want Matt Light put the fourth.

Well, that's who you're gonna get.

Yeah, so that's I would be out if that's if that's his ceiling is serviceable. I want the elite SEC tackle that played for three years and he can play tackle. But if they think his ceiling is just he could play tackle. But if Matt Light was a really good Patriot for a decade.

Yeah, and that's what I think.

But he was a second round pick, right, I wouldn't have wanted that at the fourth overall pick. I don't think he was that level of a tackle.

But this year, that's what you if you if you end up getting a ten year tackle for your team out of this fourth pick, you're you're okay with that.

But is he just playing or is he excelling?

Well, least he starts, he never loses the job.

Yeah, I think that. You know, that's a good point by Fred.

It just like to get it in this draft.

And I've had to go through my own thing with this draft, and like I think Teed McMillan for me is probably the biggest one with this example. But like it's just not a great year. So Teed McMillan. No, he's not Malik Neighbors, Like, he's not Marvin Harrison junior as a prospect, but in this draft other than Hunter, he's the best receiver in the draft. Will Campbell is not Jolt. Jolt is not in this draft, like, but Will Campbell's the best tackle in this draft. So unfortunately, like he's worth the fourth overall pick in this class.

Yeah, someone's gonna go forth.

He keeps saying, Hey, I got two questions for you it. First of all, did you try to talk yourself into Tech McMillan in this mocked draft?

Und tried to get there? You couldn't. And what was b What's Bart's feeling on all this? I need to know Bart's feelings on all Well.

It was funny because when when Coffee Boy there broke four four eight and like that was the scoop that it was four four eight. He was texting me in like four four eight, Oh my god, And I was like, there's no way.

He's too savvy. No, you just completely ignore pro date time.

I was like, there's no way he ran a four four eight and I probably at least a ten slower.

Will Campbell's gonna have thirty five inches.

Yeah, So I like, you know, this is jokingly, jokingly, but I'll text him like gifts of like sloss when he talks to me about tech McMillan, you know, like you know, like guys moving in slow.

Motion, like called Will Clark three toward slot. Yeah.

Now, I've I tried to talk myself into it, and again it goes back to what I just said, you have to adjust your thinking to this talent role. Right, Like he's no, he would not be the fourth overall pick in last year's draft, right, But I think what we see even rookie seasons, last year's draft was a hell of a draft. Like it looks like that draft is gonna be one of the best drafts we've had in recent memories.

So like you have to just adjust first three receivers.

Yeah, all right, we're gonna take a break. My foods here. When we come back. We've got a ton of emails, calls are stacked up. People want to get involved. We're gonna do it right after this.

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I want to thank Robert and Jonathan's not able to be here today, but I want to thank them on behalf of just the coaching staff. I think the personnel an echo Elliott's comments just about the support and the commitment that they've made.

Just in getting this.

Process and this just being able to build a program every single day and allow us to have the resources that we've needed to do that to provide our players with everything that they need to be successful on and off the field. So thank you, Thank.

You, Robert. I want to thank Elliott.

I want to thank his personnel department, specifically to pro Scouts and that staff that really teed it up for for me and the coaches to come in and and evaluate as we work through the personnel you know stage and in the preliminary stages of that, so you know, I thought they did a great job.

I want to thank them.

Would love to thank Nancy Meyer and Stretch for for kind of coordinating everything.

Everything moves pretty quick.

And they kept us in line and they kept us and they handled travel and just the communication and getting everybody here, So I want to thank them. I would love to thank Ritchie and Mitch and and and Halle who are going to form our player engagement on department and the being able to just meet with these families and visit and help this transition that you know, there's going to be some new players here, there's many new faces here, and that that department is critical and you know we want to support them. The I want to thank specifically our little free agent group which was Me, Elliott, Ryan Cowd and Matt grow Richard Miller. That we were firing them off left and right, just trying to get back touched, go pivot.

Because everything happens pretty quick.

And uh, that was fun just being able to everybody, you know, work at a different angle, Uh, getting the contracts done, communicating on that, going to plan B and and really it was fun. And and we're excited about the players that we had. And you can see that. You know, once you get to know these these players and these men that that we we're going to be just as excited as them off the field as we are on the field. But I want to welcome you guys. I want to welcome you. Guys are our Patriot family. And I think that we were all excited about getting you as players, but then when we met in the in the hallway and met your families, were even more excited to meet your support system and understand.

Why you guys are the way you are.

And you know, we're gonna We're gonna support the things and the people that are important in your life.

That's what we believe in.

We believe in make and connections and making sure that then when they come to work here, or that we're doing everything we can so that we can we can put the product on the field that Robert talked about, and that's a that's a championship product, and that starts by investing in people and and and I'm confident that we got the right people and then now it's our job to put him in the right places UH as players to get the best out of them.

Until I'm excited to to start that process so that that.

UH, I'll I guess I'll take a few c UH questions as it relates to some of the players, and then what we plan on doing going forward, Karen, I'm on Karen.

In prior meetings with us, you've talked about UH wanting to support Drake Bay and protecting him with an improved offensive line.

UH.

With the news of the release of David Andrews today, they're now appear multiple holes to fill. Have things not gone according to plan? And are you now forced to draft for need in that area?

No, I think that there's a lot there. Karen.

You mentioned David and want to thank him, you know, having played at this organization, not quite as long as he had, but but being here. I want to thank him for that, for for being here and carrying on a tradition that so many great players before him had. We're going to continue to support as Elliott Elliott mentioned, the needs that we feel like are on the team, and we'll target the offensive line. There's still quite a bit of time before we get to the draft, but but there's also you know, we we don't want to just be careless, right we talked about there's a difference.

We want our players to play aggressive.

We don't want him to play reckless, and so we don't want to be reckless through this process. We want to be very intentional with the with the people that we bring on this football team, and we'll we'll continue to target all those needs that we feel like and the players that can help us.

Thank you, hey, Mike.

When with Milton Williams, there was a report that he was close to signing to another team, and I think like an hour or so later, you know, you guys finalized a deal with him. Can you take us through the emotions of sort of that swing and what was it about Milton that made you guys feel comfortable to give him the deal you did?

Well, I think it's always about the entire package. When you look at compensation, right, it's the it's the body of work, it's the what they're going to do for us. We always want to be able to, you know, not rely on on past performances, but that was something there's a there's a high ceiling and a great vision about the person, the effort, the skill set, you know, the speed in which he plays, there's a there's a power, so certainly there's an aggressiveness and being able to add him to our defensive line is something that was really exciting, you know.

But you talk about the character and.

Hopefully we're going to be able to I hope you want to play more than then. They're played in Philadelphia and I know that you guys are extremely successful, but we want to play them a little bit more than that, and hope we can do that.

You know, you just try to.

You do your best in a short amount of time to make a connection with the player and kind of what we are, right, we don't want to sell anything like what we want to sell is just who we are. It's not we want them to want to be here, and then if they want to be here and we want them, we'll figure out a way to make it work contractually, but they we want people and players that want to be here, that want to be a part of what we're doing. And that's what these guys are and there'll be more that come along after them.

Hey, Mike uh Town, you mentioned you didn't want to be selling people, but the reality of having had to unsuccessful see and then ending up at the top of the draft, you had to make some kind of a pitch to convince guys. And we'll certainly ask them about it too, But what was your main pitch to say, Hey, I know it on paper has not been positive the last two years, but this is what we're building.

What was what was the.

Main thing you were articulating to these guys and convincing them.

I mean, just just who we are as people that we're gonna we're gonna care about them. We're going to push them about the team. Right, you have to target the right player, you know, making sure that that our vision and want them to help us build a program that that when the players walk back in here on April seventh, that they're proud of that they want to protect that they call their own. You know, just what we've we've done and what were the relationships that we try to make and and what we want to build the entire player around and then put them in good spots. And I think we've been able to to put some players, specifically Milton, put players like that in our history of coaching and good spot to be productive and make plays that can help the team win.

Hi, Mike, Hi, Sophie.

I was just curious there were the reports about you guys going after Chris god when obviously he resigned with Tampa Bay. I'm curious what your thoughts are, what your plan is at the wide receiver position, and how you plan to address that, whether it's free agency or the draft.

Yeah, I'm not gonna talk about any of the players. Are the ones that are right here and the ones that are gonna currently on our football team. We'll continue to target. Matt Collins will be in here tomorrow. He's a wide receiver, you know. But we'll continue to look at the wide receiver position as it relates through free agency, explore every option uh with other teams, and potentially, you know, then we'll get to the point where we're where we're looking in the draft, and there's just a lot of time and I know that everybody's like it's over at free agency.

It's it's never over. And and Zoe's you know, wherever Alonso is. I don't know, but he keeps reminding me and.

I think everybody else that because he's been around a lot of times. He's like, there's players that are going to come available, whether it be now, or whether it be in May or after training camp. Like it's just he's like, I've seen it enough to know that there's going to be someone that's currently not on our roster that's going to help us win a game this year.

We just he's not in Foxboro.

Hill.

Hey, Mike, what do you remember about Robert Spoline when he first came to Tennessee as a trial player?

And just what do you think about the crew that he's put together since then?

Well, I mean it was just you couldn't you know.

We went out to practice and he didn't make any mental mayors. He was athletic, he was excellent in this open field tackling drill. Did the same thing the next day, did the same thing on Sunday. You know, it got to be a joke where we would just keep throwing them in and be like, hey, let's see if somebody can make Splaine miss. And then you know, John Robinson and I were just like, we have to have him on the football team. And I think he's earned the right to be here on those three days. And you know, Robert may Or may not share this story, but he got that we told him and it was on Mother's Day and he got to call his mom and it was you know, it was pretty special, you know, especially for me being a young football coach or a young head coach, to be able to see a player that had earned the right like we didn't hand him anything. Like That's what we want for every single player on our team. We want them to earn everything that they get. And that was an example of what he earned his opportunity in the National Football League. So that's no surprise of the career that he's had based on how it started.

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Between this and you're analyzing Bill's fine.

Oh, the Bill swooting thing is the tamest thing he's got going right now. I won't forget you.

Yeah, I told I, Well, I guess I should tell I went so back.

This is a little side story.

But back when Brady got hurt in two thousand and eight, I made a video and.

I should probably share it with Matt.

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I made a music video of set to the tune of poisons, I Won't Forget You Baby. But I made an I Won't Forget You Brady music video that was very very still hired him, but I was saying, you know.

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Org and conquered, you know, to the Boston Tea party ship.

Yeah, just like Mike's district. Like you play these old clips and he's just like singing, I say in the.

Background, he was meant for Broadway. You know, he really missed.

I crushed it as Luther billis in South Pacific in fifth grade and I'm still trying to get back to that point.

Really should have been Broadway.

Evan just looks at me, he goes, so he was always.

Like this, Yeah, I could see you, you know, being King Arthur and Camelot.

This one's just out there.

Actually, maybe we.

Should uses to.

This one's the micro made his name in blogging, and he's a youth hockey with for me. Don't you ever forget those twenty eight to three ties. He's less in the picks and he's taking negative, but he knows his hoodies and he knows them good.

Did you know that he used.

To live in Holly would Okay, this one's from this, one's from this.

That's great.

Did you guys want to hear some tweets?

I would love to hear somets.

I would call them mean that.

So maybe some of them are, but I call them more angry to the.

One I sent, the one that you're gonna read from me?

Is this mean that there's one?

Yeah, there is one that I included up from Paul, but I screenshot at some of these so uh, in no particular order.

Here's one.

I'm still pissed, y'all post this. Never associate with Mike again.

That's not too much.

I will.

That's not mean.

I will associated.

I will commit seppuku at the lighthouse if that happens. That was from Fat Mac Jones. It's at Fat Mac Jones if you want to hit him up.

Uh.

If we drafted RB in the first round, I will personally show up in camp and fling feces at Rabel. Good luck, Marty the party eighty two.

Or that one.

Delete this and fire whoever Mike is. Okay, I want to fire Elliot Wolf for you even posting this. Mike is an idiot. Just straight to the point, you know, ha ha. The first pick is just to torture p f W Paul and see if he will get up and leave in the.

Middle of the live draft pot.

Pretty close stuff, now this one. This guy, this guy went next level. This guy went next level. This is not real. Trying to throw other teams off, so you know.

The bidding of the front.

Uh, Mike, who this is worse than drafting Sony Michelle in the first round. Yeah, and then the last one, best Mark I've ever seen. Well done, genty is the only choice at the first pick.

There you go.

You're welcome.

So when I checked last night, the Patriots tweet had your graphics had over five hundred thousand views, and so I imagine it's probably over a million now, right. You know you're really just trying.

I'm trying to riled up the nation, trying to start conversation.

But now I.

Appreciate all the you know, everybody reaching out.

So yeah, I'm good.

Start, great, thanks, Wait for my next monk next week.

Yeah, something totally different, all right? That five hundred is the hotline podcast at patriots dot com is the email address. Let's get some people off the phone here. Christians in La. What's up, Christian?

Hey you guys, how are you doing today?

Hey?

Hey man?

All right, great, So.

I'm gonna I'm gonna die right into that. I know I'm probably too shows, too late, but I've been trying to get in but I just got to say this, And I'm going to use an analogy of you can't use limes to make lemonade. Yes, it'll be lime a, which is kind of like lemonade, but it's not lemonade. And what I mean to say is, with no disrespect to Mike Krable, I think what he's done this is going to boost our defense and we're gonna win some games possibly because.

Of our defense.

This year.

However, it seems like we're trapped in this weird like twilight zone thing where we think defensive coaches are gonna ever fix or give us a great offense. Right, we had Bill Belichick, and yes he was the greatest defensive coach ever, but he also happened to have the greatest quarterback ever, and as soon as the greatest quarterback left, Bill.

Couldn't really win.

We went from that to hiring a defensive coordinator to fix the offense, and that was a disaster. We went from there to hiring a first time coach who was a defensive player to fix the team and the offense. And now we've gone to a guy and again with respective Raible and what he's done so far in his last tenure, decided to trade premium offensive players to try to help bolster his defense, which got him fired. And now in his first moved really here in New England, whether it seemed to have a choice or not, he fostered the defense first. We're going into a draft where it seems like a premium talent at least value wise, is on the defensive side.

Well, even with the few guys that.

We want the most, like Hunter and Carter, is it possible that something that we're rooted in.

No, And I hear what you're saying it, but you can't forget and you can criticize them for not getting the job done, But they tried to throw big money at offensive players. They just didn't get it done, you know, So I don't think that you know they would. They did try to bring in some really high priced offensive players. I don't think they're ignoring do you think do.

You guys think they're having an offensive minded coach? What even changed the strategy of who we go after on the offensive side and how they feel about us. Like if I was a premium offensive player, I would not be excited to go to a team that's the defensive focus team with the guy who doesn't know how to coach oftense.

But what is where are you getting that from? Like we're a week into free agency, Like this is kind of starting to bug me just in general, not with Christian but but like that they're neglecting the offense. There's an entire draft that still has yet to come, and I understand that a lot of people don't have a ton of trust right now in their ability to draft. But like, if we're gonna sit here and hold Nikhil Harry and Taekwon Thornton and these guys against Mike Rabel and Ryan Cowden who were in Tennessee coaching an entirely different team, Like I mean, we're gonna we're gonna hold Aaron Dobson against them too, like in Chad Jackson, and we'll go right down the line, Like I don't I don't see how that's relevant. So, like they're gonna address the offense. They're gonna take big swings on offense. It might come through the draft and you might all be wary of that, but this offense is they're not gonna put this offense on the field in September, Like they're gonna have additions to the offense come September. So I just I don't think that it's an offensive, you know, like they're neglecting it or that it's he's only able to coach defense, and they're just like he didn't get fired because he traded a J.

Brown.

John Robinson got fired because he traded a J.

Brown, Right, Christian does have a point it's valid is if you had an offensive minded head coach, would that be more attractive to maybe at least one of these guys that they swung and missed on.

Okay, so I'm gonna step back for a second. I do There's no way of knowing that for sure, but I do think that that is probably part of the equation. But just just I'm just going on this year because that's all I can go on is Mike Rabel, Ryan Cowden, Elliott Wolfe and how they're trying to put together the twenty five Patriots. There wasn't a lot. I mean, I'm not even going into my old argument of the defense needed just as much attention as the offense, because I think it did. But where would the the opportunities lost, specifically on offensive players. I would say that most the good offensive players that changed teams were trades, like I think DK Metcalf would have made some sense for the Patriots. And to my knowledge, and you correct me, they went after Chris Godwin, yeah, and didn't and didn't get them.

He stayed put.

Who else did they go after Cooper Cup.

Did they I think they were in on it. Yeah, absolutely, Well.

Then they should have gotten them because it didn't cost that much.

We all the reports said that they were in on it, so that the.

Report said they were interested. But did they go after him?

Well, I don't know. I mean, so, what what do you mean by interesting? I don't think.

That's like to me, that's not a difference making player. I would have taken Cooper Cup, but I think DK Metcalf could be your number one receiver. Cooper Cup couldn't, but he would be right to be their number one, but not a number one. So my point is, I don't think they had a lot of offensive options, right. I unfortunately don't think there are a lot of great offensive options in the draft either. I think Evan's right there that they will take some. They'll probably get some. Uh, they'll they'll get another receiver and probably a running back even you know, at some point in the draft, and they'll they'll you know, you know, if Genti's available, they'll add some pieces on offense. But just because they didn't add it immediately doesn't mean they're neglecting it, right you know. So that's why, like I'm in the middle, like they have not necessarily gotten the guys, you know, and I'm a little tired of the Well they went after Calvin Ridley, they went after Brandon Ayuk, they went after Chris Godwin, whatever. Like that's I've heard that about the Red Sox for five years, you know, like they need to make some changes, they need to add some talent. But I'm not, you know, willing to just say, well, this is Mike Rabel and he's a defensive guy and he doesn't want offense. I think that was true with Bill. I think Christian's argument against Bill in that regard was accurate. I think Bill said, I want to have defensive players, and Tom Brady will fix the offense, and he'll do enough on the offense. You don't have that luxury anymore. But I'm not here to tell you that that's what Rabel's doing. I want to give it a little time before I start criticizing him for not getting offensive players, because I don't think they've missed out on a lot of guys.

People They're getting impatient at the end of the day, no matter what they do, Like you said earlier, the odds of it, the Patriots being able to do what the Commanders did last year are long. You know, you're not going to build this team to a playoff caliber team this year most likely mostly.

Now they could be They could if everything.

Works, everything has everything works.

They could be a playoff contender, right, And I honestly believe that. I'm not trying to.

Play a lot of ifs have to become real.

If Milton Williams is the same player at seventy five eighty percent playtime as he was at forty five percent, you know, if Harold Landry goes on the wayback machine, if Robert Splaine turns out to be this sideline to sideline whirling dervish that he looked like he was in Vegas, and Carlton Davis stays healthy, Yeah, then I think you have a chance to beat you know, sort of the Cleveland's, the you know, like the lesser teams in the AFC that you lost to last year. I think become wins and that goes from four to eight or nine. Yeah, in my in my view, because I think the schedule's light.

And then when December rolls around, you're in it.

Yeah, I think that could happen.

The path.

I just feel like everybody. The first week of free agency ended, and now the roster building's over, Like there's no there's no way to.

I'm in the middle of that. I think largely it is. But there will be a guy that you don't know, to Evan's point, that'll be on the team and he'll probably play a role.

But can we just at least wait until April twenty seventh before we jump off the bridge that they have no offense? Like if Travis Hunter is on this team on April twenty fourth, then we're all gonna look like idiots, Like just relax, Like, let's lee what happens at the draft. If they get to the draft and he and he goes like build it a couple of years ago with Gonzo and Kean White and Marte Mapu and they go defense, defense, defense again at the top of the draft. Then have at it. Then sit there and say they did they neglected the offense?

Do you think there's a chance that that could happen? Because no, I do, No I do, And I wouldn't necessarily criticize it if they think that, like the Georgia guy, let's say that Hunter and maybe at the time, for the purpose of this let's take Carter and Hunter off the board.

Yeah, Walker or Williams.

Right, So if one of your Georgia guys is the pick, and then you know, all of a sudden, you get in the second round. And I'm not as up to date on all the slots for all the prospects, but all of the guys that you like at receiver are off the board at that you don't want to you don't want to reach, and all of a sudden there's a you know, maybe another edge player or something else. I don't think that that would be a terrible way to go. Where you get in trouble is reaching reaching for need. Yeah, you know, I don't want to do that.

If you flash back two weeks ago, a lot of what we said was this is a really good free agency class for the defensive front seven, cornerback, you know those specific positions.

Those are both positions that.

They went and added, you know, some quality players at and we knew it was going to be competitive at tackling receiver, that there were only a couple guys really available. And you know, once Ronnie Stanley was off the board, and everyone was just acting like Ronnie Stanley, like that's you know that's the plan.

It's not a great free agent crop, especially in my view on offense. And I'm not stunts that they didn't get difference making players on offense.

I'm just realizing for a lot of fans, I think, you know, kind of what Christian was saying, that it all carries over, like all the problems everything, like you don't put it down and leave that with Alex van Pelt and Jirabo. It's all carries over when you have back to back four win seasons, no matter who was in charge and what I feel frustrating.

Would I feel better if they signed Cam Robinson, Yeah, I probably would, But the reality of that is you're probably not all that much better. Like I would feel better because he's an NFL tackle and they don't have one, you know, uh, you know, a left on the left side. You know, they have Morgan Moses my New Life. But I would feel better with Cam Robinson. But I'm not gonna I'm not here to tell you that, well, your left tackle problems are solved, because I watched those last couple of games last year and it would scare the crap out of me.

I mean, your left tackle options in free agency besides Cam Robinson, We're paying Dan Moore Junior forty million dollars over the first two years of his contract, and like that's being graded out as the worst contract handed out in free agency by pretty much everybody.

Yeah, everybody's in agreement.

Yeah, and so it just I'm not saying, don't criticize, Just can we give them a second to before we criticize, Like it's not all over, Like the draft happens. Draft Day trades happened, Draft Day, weekend trades happen. Like stuff happens, and you know, throughout the process.

So I'd love to know from the Christians of the world, if the Patriots draft Will Campbell with the fourth pick, will that Will they be happy with that?

No, because they'll move the goalpost again and they'll say he's a guard.

But if he is a guard, I would and I felt like Christian doesn't. I don't. I think, like I said, I'm in the middle of Christian and you. But if he's a guard, then I wouldn't feel great about that. Okay, if he's a tackle.

Well, I mean on the day of the draft, their intention is to play him at tackle. Are the Christians of the.

World Okay with that, I would think so, yeah, I would hope. So they need a left tackle, Yeah, I would hope.

So.

I just feel like we're holding we're holding things from past regimes against Mike Rabel. Like it's not Mike Rabel's fault.

That's why.

It totally out because Elliott Wolfe was part of past regimes.

Yeah, but he doesn't Like I personally do not think that he's running the show.

Yeah, I think he's a big part of it.

Come on, absolutely, I didn't say it wasn't a big part of it.

I just don't think it's all his work right now.

I don't think that it's his final say.

Right And I mean his scouts in his department did all the work up to this point, up to the point that you well, he did his own work for another team, you know, but it's not always the same, Like your focus is a little bit different. Maybe I don't know, you know.

But am I wrong to think that there might not be a wow, that's the guy confirmed answer at left tackle and number one.

Wide receiver this season?

Like I that's that's I don't know that there's going to I understand. I know that's hard pill to swallow, but.

And then listen. I'm not teasing. I'm not making fun of my guys my shows, okay, because I understand they they're doing. They have a they have a job, and they can look at it at black and white. They took almost entirely defensive players in free agency, so that in their view, means they're neglecting the offense. And I can't tell you that that's wrong. When they signed Mogan Moses and mac Collins, right, those are the only two offensive guys. Did I miss one? The yes, Schiser, we should probably go over those the official announcements of more signings. So on paper, that's fact, right. You know, Felger likes to say scoreboard right, facts, it's it's it's but it's but it's nuanced. It's not just black and white. They're neglected. They only signed defense. That means they're neglecting offense. That means that that was the opportunity.

That presented with the low hanging fruit.

But he also has no time for the draft, So like I, it's hard for me to like listen to him say those things and then know, on the other bread that every single time you bring up a prospect in the draft, he puts his nose up to it and says, well, he could stink. Well, yeah, like obviously he could stink.

And free agents may not work out, right.

Or he you know, you could take DK Metcalf in the second round and he could turn out to be DK Metcalf, right, you know. So, like if we come out of the draft and they've done nothing to add talent to the offensive side of the ball, then they'll all be right that they neglected the offense.

But until we get I think there's a chance that that could happen, But not because they you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't know if this is a great yes, like it might work out that Like, like Mike said, is there like a slam dunk wide receiver or left tackle to choose from? So if you come out of this without guys at those positions, does that mean you neglected the offense?

I think I don't know if I would use the word neglected. But you should be able to find you want to call him dart throws, call him you should be able to make top one hundred picks a wide receiver intact, but.

And you will. But that doesn't mean that you've saw. You know what I'm saying. It doesn't mean that's all, that's that's all my.

Point, but you should have an infusion of talent at those two so real quick.

We did have the Patriots officially announced a few more though I don't know if we talked about Chase on last week. Edge rusher from the first round pick, a guy who I happened to love coming out of l.

S U, who has.

Been okay, hasn't really best year last year. They hasn't been great safety from the Raiders, Mike Marcus Epps, that's correct. And the offensive lineman.

Was with then Wes Schitzer Shitzer Schitzer s h y pronouncer Schitzer s h y t z e R Schitzer Schitzer, Wes Schitzer.

Who's started a bunch of games.

Kind of like Max a name that I cannot say.

Yeah, he's been in and out of interior, swinging back up, getting thrust into starting roles. You know, he's kind of like a little bit like Nick Levertt was last year. Maybe a little more experience than Nick Levett last year. But I mean, I said Evan, like I look at this front now and to me, it's Landry Tonga Williams Chase on. That's your starting front four for this defense to me right now?

Yeah, unless us bar more healthy.

So that's eleven guys that they've signed. I think all of those have now been made official by the Patriots. I don't think I missed any of them.

No, I don't think so.

Just a couple of things to update in terms of bookkeeping. Daniel Aqualley yep signed with Pittsburgh, so they lost him as a free agent. Interesting tweet. I read yesterday that Christian Ellis, who is a restricted free agent, and received a tender from the Patriots, the non yeah, non compensation. So Christian Ellis, I evidently, is visiting with the Raiders. Yeah. So my guess is if you're visiting, you're probably preparing to give him an offer sheet of some sort, and the Patriots will have a decision to make whether or not to try to retain him if they.

Do for him.

Okay, so that's the up to date Ells transactions on my handy little cheat sheet.

All right, back to your calls. We'll go to Kendall in North Carolina.

Hey Kendall, Hey, Hey, how you guys doing it?

All right?

Yeah?

I would just if my chrisms for Fred, but like all of y'all can answer, y'all all was on set too, Fred, Where did you see the report that Rogers was going to make a decision? Third that I've been looking at it.

I was listening to one of Paul's shows today and they said on the Pat McAfee show.

That is not one of my shows.

No no, no, no, no. On your show they said on the.

Even though he made even though he made fun of me on that no no, not I'm not saying.

But they mentioned the Pat McAfee show, your show today saying that Rogers was going to be on Thursday to give his decision.

Oh okay, Because I had been trying to google, I couldn't find about anything like that. I thought they had said that last week too.

But the McAfee show would know about Aaron Rodgers went to bed with him more than that show.

So I don't know where they got the report, but that's what.

I heard, Okay.

Because I've been looking at everywhere, I couldn't find anything. But yes, we'll wait till Thursday to find out. And y'all think if Russell Wilson goes to the jobs, how y'all feel about that. Do you think they still take to doing three or any or what they had doing three and now take it off?

Thinks Okay, thanks Kendall.

I don't think if Russell Wilson signs with with Cleveland or the Giants, I don't think that either one of those teams would then take Sanders.

The only way you know that it would happen to me is like with Pennix, with Kirk Cousins last year, Like you would have to think that he was truly that dude, Like he's a franchise quarterback and you just because you can't pass on them. And that's what happened with Atlanta.

Yeah, and I thought that was a really surprising pick even with all of that. Now and you know, they might have ended up being right, being right, although I'm not sold on Penix, but they doubling down, you know, having something behind for insurance turn turned out to be a good move. I could see a team a little bit later on. You know, maybe the Raiders are Lycia's Falcons. You know the Raiders traded for Gino Smith. Yeah, they're going to give him the deal. He's going to be their their starter for the for the now. But I could see if they really liked Sanders new was available, they could still take him. I don't think they would, but I that would be kind of similar to the Falcons.

It is a often, you know, copycat league, and the Falcons it really worked that they did, Like if they hadn't done that, then you know, they would have been really screwed at quarterback with the way Kirk Cousins looked last year. So I wouldn't be surprising if one of those teams said, well, the Falcons did then it worked out for them. So we're gonna do the same thing.

And it is a copycat league. Let's go to Andrew and Casey. What's up? Andrew are a game?

I am really intrigued by the idea of using trading Joe Milton and something else to get a passage for someone that's worth more than Joe Milton by himself. So I wanted to run a couple of scenarios. Body, see if you think you start realistic or I'm just living in a fantasy land. So the first would be to trade Joe Milton and a fourth round pick and pick up Proderi Jones from the Trailers, get a little bit of a recollection of projects who's still probably better than anything I would And then the second would be to trade Joe Milton and a third to try to move up to three with a giant and make sure we get Abiel Carterner travel. What do you think either of those?

Joe Milton are a third to trade up.

A third round pick. Basically, you're trading a third round pick to move up a spot in the first round. I don't know is that enough? It might be in this draft. I don't know.

I don't know.

It seems I don't think there might be other teams if that team's willing to move, there might be other teams.

I will.

I am that this will be the next thing that I'm proving grossly wrong about Joe Milton's trade value. I don't see it. I don't. I just don't see it.

I mean, I think his trade value could be you draft him in the sixth could you get a fourth round pick for him?

Like my guess is that be a future fourth round pick? Which is really a.

Fright If I the Patriots best case scenario with Joe Milton in terms of value is for him to go ball out in the preseason again, and I should say again the preseason this year and then trade him at the end of the summer for a team that gets desperate and you know, has an injury or something like that at quarterback.

You know.

But even then, I think you're looking at you know, what did the Patriots get from Brissett Philip Dorsett? Right like you're looking at a trade like that, like it's a third fourth receiver that this team doesn't really want.

Two players that were both gonna get cut. Yeah, I mean got traded for each other. And I know that with certainty the Patriots were going to cut per set.

Like real question, who's the number two quarterback on this Patriots team with Dobbs in the mix? Now, I mean, who's actually the backup play?

I guess is Dobbs. And I think of it, you know, And here's where like I'm not willing to say that like the Christian, like the call that we got from Christian ten minutes ago was completely wrong with regard to Rabel, I look at a guy like Dobbs for Vrabel and he's like, that's my kind of backup quote that that's a safer backup quarterback. I know him a little bit of familiarity with him. He came in. Do you remember, like, was it Rabel's last year or second to last year. They had a winner take all last game of the year in Jacksonville and they had no Tannehill and Malik Willis was had played a little bit, not very well. He just brought in Dobbs kind of off the street and started him in that last game, and Dobbs played reasonably well, gave him a shot to win that game. I think he I think he liked Dobbs and I think he thinks of that as a safer alternative.

I mean, it's not plus, it's different than Jacoby, Like he's kind of kicked around a little bit. He's never really been the guy or had any like Jacoby. Still seemed to me like he wanted to be the starter here. He wanted to stay in the starting lineup.

I don't think, yeah, that's it going to that exists.

See how many games with Dobbs he started.

But yeah, I agree Mike to Evan's point.

I'm just interested to see Joe Milton play in the preseason, to see him playing training camp, get out there. I mean, I don't know how much we talked about it, but everybody reacts to what he did in that last game of the season. But to me, like, he looked pretty good in seven on seven, and as soon as became eleven on eleven and there was a pass rush and there was actually some kind of coverage to read through in training camp, he looked pretty lost. So I mean, credit to him, he looked like he made remarkable strides. But how sustainable and real is that based on just one game at the end of the season where Buffalo is kind of mailing it in. I don't know, but everyone you know wants to react on it. But I'm just curious to see him.

A fifteen start.

He started off so not not not as many as I just look at that last game against Buffalo, and that's why it melds all the like it's a preseason game, yeah, right, Like he played well in the preseason game at the end of the season. Uh, for all intensive purposes, if he does that again two or three more times in August, then maybe he would have some value.

And I do think it's like I can I could be talked into it either way, because if you think he's really good, and that was the tip of the iceberg of his development, then you hold on to him. But if you still kind of think, oh jeez, right, we didn't see that coming.

Where did that go?

Then his trade value is not going to be much higher. So that's what you're weighing right now.

Yeah, he might maybe selling exactly like.

Point like every Joe mill the thing that you heard about coming into the draft where he duped two really big college football programs into thinking that he was going to be the next big thing in Michigan and Tennessee, and then they get him there and you start to peel back the curtain a little bit and you're like, all right, this isn't what we thought it was. Like that last game of the regular season is classic Joe Milton, classic awesome guy.

Like left hearing from him like I mean, I mean, flip, I mean, he looks like Cam Newton out there. I mean, it's not that far off from just what Adonnis that guy is and the way he throws the football. It's just, I mean, it's intriguing. He can understand why all these teams are taking chances on him. He's got all the tools, and the tool makes.

A sucker for a physique, I am, you know, but like even like Big Ben, you know, he has that like that huge stature, you know, mobility, the big arm. Yeah, I mean, I think there are a lot of traits to Like I'm with Evan, I'm gonna need to see more before I forget about the college but experience. But I agree with with the way and said that about the preseason, like and a lot of people have been like, well, that's more valuable than the preseason. I don't think it is. I think, matter of fact, you can make an argument in the preseason there are guys desperately trying to forge their way into the NFL. In that game, there were guys desperately trying not to get hurt and get off the field. Like I don't think there was as much.

Like making business decisions.

There wasn't as much urgency in the second half of that game as there wasn't a typical preseason game.

He has one of the best arms I've ever seen.

It's amazing to watch him through the throw and how effortless, unbelievable.

That was a rocket that didn't go more than four feet off the ground a straight line for.

Fifty six so effortless when it leaves his hand, I mean, he's impressive to watch.

Uh Norman Daytona Beach writes, and I think the problem with the negativity of the fan base is they listen and believe the crap that some of the sports talk shows in Boston spew out. Doesn't matter what the Patriots and other sports teams do, it's never going to be good enough. They just love to criticize everybody and everything. See Paul, my God, give Rabel time and a chance to rebuild this roster. As I'm writing this email, Evan is saying basically what I'm typing. They took players in free agency on defense because there wasn't much on offense to pick from.

Paul actually said that that's okay, But I'm not even using that excuse for him. I just because I would have traded for DK Metcalf, Like I think that was right there for them for the taking. I'm just saying, like, can we at least get to after the draft, Like if they come out of the draft and we still feel like we do now about the offense, then I will criticize them too for the way that they handle that side of the ball. But let's just show some patience because they could have Travis Hunter on this team in six weeks, or they could swing to trade on draft day. You know that that lands them a big receiver. Like, let's just wait and see.

What the trades intrigued me. But I still just think even if it's with the draft, that there's probably gonna have to be some patients. And like you know, there's not a surefire left tackle in this draft, so unless they pull a trade off that we don't really see coming at this point, there's gonna be a leap of faith with an offensive lineman in this draft. If you're expecting that somebody's gonna come in here and solidify that position, it's it's.

Just I mean, I do all these mock drafts. It seems it's tough.

It's tough to thread that needle.

Kelly and salt Lake. I'm sure Mike has caught hell for Jante at four, but I honestly don't hate it. I think the biggest way to ease the pain on Drake without getting a wide receiver one as the ball noa's say, is to make defenses play the run. If they can have a back who can catch the ball the batfield as well as run through contact, they can build the base of the offense and maybe, just maybe be good enough to entice a wide receiver next year.

Thanks Kelly.

Yeah, so just the recap. Mike should be fired. Mike's a moron. Don't ever do this again. Mike's a little smart, but the one, the one on his side. I don't hate it.

I like it.

No, I don't hate it.

There were a couple of those. Wait didn't you say?

I mean, well, Bart, I don't know what Bart's reactually, but Katholics seemed like I think that it was just like chaos.

They were there vouching for you because of the chaos.

And what was the radio thing? Were they really talking about? Did you say they were talking about on the radio?

You just know there's some scuttle but about.

You, Kyle and Pembroke. I don't like going after Deuce like this, so I'm gonna do a compliment sandwich. Okay, Deuce, You're very funny and often get a laugh out of every show. However, the joke you made in your mock draft about the Patriots drafting right a running back at four in the first round wasn't funny, but I know it was just meant as a joke. Well that you're wrong. However, you are a smart man who knows ball, so I can't wait for your serious mock draft one point zero to come out.

He's not totally wrong on that second part, but it wasn't a total troll job. Like like Fred said, I.

Mean we talked.

We had a talk about it for a summary, I mean behind it. While I agree the Patriots should draft a running back, I think it should be a Day three pick, not the fourth. Overall, with how heavily the Patriots went on defensive free agency, I think the draft should lean offensive and McMillan at four makes sense, as well as trading up from thirty eight to get Ursery late in the first round. What do you guys, especially Douce think about this?

Oh yeah, I mean you're gonna have to be creative with the left tackle. I mean that was the other thing, Like when I do these moss I just used the PFF one, which is obviously wrong. I mean, Ursery is not gonna be there in the third round. So I just think if you I want to see them target somebody, I think, like speaking more towards feeling better, there will be a leap of faith with some of these guys. But I think if you really felt like they really wanted this guy, they packaged some picks, they moved up, they got back up to get somebody, rather than all right, the Jalen Pole thing or this is the guy that fell to us and he's fine here.

Like, I don't think they can do that.

I think they need to be be targeted, and I think they need to the fan base needs to know that they have a plan at those two positions, right, like you know, I but it's just hard at wide receiver. I don't know, second early, second round, not much there, not much to choose from.

I wonder if a tackle like the bar might just be serviceable, yeah, for a year like Brendan Coleman was last year for Washington.

That's why I would feel better if Cam Robinson just signed a one year deal. Yeah, serviceable? Right?

What's he doing though?

I mean he's out there, he's a name, he's a left tack.

I have to think that the market's not good for him, but.

As he gonna wait till somebody gets hurt or something, and.

Just if they can get even if it's a you know, if it's a Day two tackle, like if it's just a guy that can play the position at a functional level, then I think that's probably good enough for for all of us at that spot. Like, you're not drafting that at four. But if that's who they pick a you know, thirty eight and sixty nine or whatever it is, then then there you go.

Oh, we can't trade that pick.

Speaking Fresno rights in Sorry, there's no rabbit dog barking in the background of this email. Nonetheless, during nice during Kendall's call with the Pat McAfee show reference, I was sure Fred and Paul were about to get into an argument about what is or isn't one of Paul's shows last It'll be an all time argument that never was anyway, question for everyone not named Evan, do you ever feel like you need to convince yourself to care about a lot of the chatter going on at this time of the year. I always feel inclined to sit in my thumbs and just wait for it all to shake out. But wonder if you guys feel pressure to fluff up the fluff here in mock draft season. I think it's fun, you know.

I just think they're fun. I mean, I don't you know, I like getting to know that the prospects. I like, you know, it's always fun to me finding a little jammer. You know, you just like names come up and you look at them. I don't really like systematically early on go through some of the top guys, but you know, then you just kind of listen to what people say, and you know, someone will say a name you didn't really I haven't.

Who's that guy?

You know?

And that's what I find fun about it, just finding these little gems and then you get a few years down the road and all this guy's actually a player, you know, like Jake Bobo, just as a stupid example of you know, the guy, like I know, I'm not trying to take a victory lap on Jake.

Believe me, most of it was comedy.

He was better than a lot of people thought he was gonna be.

But you know, like that's the kind of stuff that happens where people are like this mock draft is stupid.

This guy would never be there.

And you know that's just one easy example of something when nobody has any idea.

I mean, the guy's picking the failure.

Yeah.

I try to, like once the combine hits, I try not to change my opinions too much, like I, because we don't have all these measurables and stuff like the teams do. So once I know that, like I don't really the fodder and all that stuff, Like I try not to sway too much once that happens. But you know, yesterday I was watching guards and you know, a couple of those guys stood out. Now I learned a little bit about guards yesterday.

Bill and San Diego. Paul, what's your issue with Matt Light? He was an eleven year stater who won three Pro balls in a first team All Pro in his career. Are you seriously saying that if someone told you that that will be Will Campbell's trajectory, you'd pass it for what exactly you holding out for? Nate Solda was a first round pick. Would you prefer whoever the Patriots get has his trajectory? Yeah?

No, Solder and Light would not be good enough for me at four, I would agree.

I think that you have to adjust your thinking of what the talent level is at the fourth overall pick.

Yeah. And I also don't think you have Tom Brady, So I don't think that Matt Light would have been to three Pro Bowls and named All Pro without Tom Brady. I watched him play against Jason.

I think in this draft, if Will Campbell turns out to be Matt Light or has that trajectory, maybe not the Pro Bowls, but as an NFL starting left tackle for a decade, I'd be happy. You've done very well.

I see. I need him to be a good starter, and Matt Light was a good starter. Oh he was okay, he was okay.

I think he's a little overrated, he's locally, but he was. He was. I'll take him in and I like Matt Light.

I like him a lot personally, but I just think he was okay. I think you could do better than that.

With the fourth overall pick in this draft. I don't know. I don't have to take a tap, but that's the thing that's all about.

There is no tackle, Like I know Paul's right though, it's there's.

No tackle worthy of being taken with the fourth overall. Picture takes somebody out.

But it seems there's no nobody. That's that's what is nobody.

I mean, that's what Daniel Jeremiah is saying, is making.

This I'm gonna make Evan faint. I'd rather have genty than.

A tackle no tackle at four myself.

Okay, but I wouldn't take genty either. But like you could tell me about the Georgia guys. You could tell me about Tyler Warren.

But like Jeremiah, I listened Dale Jeremiah talk about like from basically like ten to forty. It's kind of like what do you like you know and and how good is your scouting staff at projecting how good these guys are gonna be. I think it's gonna be a really unpredictable draft for that second half of the first night and into this.

I think the same five offensive lineman I think there was a year I want to say, oh seven that like four that made the Pro Bowl. You could have that same five be the offensive line right now and none of them would be Pro Bowlers. Tom Brady made those guys Pro Bowls. Yeah, I I no doubt.

Daniel Jeremiah is like everybody's trying to tell everyone the same thing about this draft. Like I would actually say it's even further up like he said ten to forty. I would say it's like four to forty. Like a lot of this draft is gonna be fit like positional value, need scheme, like, you know, is this guy a scheme fit? Is he not a scheme like he's gonna It's not one of those drafts where there's such overwhelming talent at certain positions that you're just saying that's the best guy on the board. It's gonna have to make sense for your team.

It's just a question for I want to I want to ask Paul a question. Oh, why is it so hard for Patrick Mahomes to find a tackle like Matt Lane.

I think he had one, but the Chiefs were too cheap to pay him and they let him go. Well, Lando Brown was better than Matt lt they let him go, And I think the Chiefs are exactly like the Patriots and they just say, hey, Patrick, make do yeah, yeah, and thanks for playing my side of the street. It's proof that you don't need that to win if you have talent in other places.

Right when the Super Bowl does.

I know they've only won three of them, they haven't won all five. Admittedly they could have won all five.

They haven't won the Super Bowl.

If they had Orlando Brown for all five of those years, maybe they would have won all five. But they didn't because they cheaped out and you get what you deserve. Clock hunts. That's why you finish at the bottom.

Of the lake.

The list.

Let's go to back to the phones, Sewn's and Vancouver. What's up, Sean.

I have a couple of questions with the finding of best fights are do you think that's a depth or do the Patriots see that as a starter at left guard? And then the other question I have is in regard to the free agency. I the Patriots had lots of needs and I'm pretty happy with what they've done in terms of free agents because they've addressed a lot of them, most of them. And when I say addressed, don't mean they solved them. We don't know, but they they seem to go after a lot of agents that could start. And there's two though areas where we haven't addressed them. And there's the biggest need, which is left tackle and starting to pop wide receiver. Do you think they'll address those before the draft happens, like with Cam Robinson or Amari Cooper or do you think there's the trade's going to happen. What do you think they would do before before crazy then or actually not ends, but when the draft actually starts. So I'll take that offline.

I mean, I think they'd be smart to try to, Like I'm with Paul and like sign Cam Robinson, even if it doesn't make that much of a difference. But I'm open to some of these receivers, the older guys that you know, the Steph Diggs, the Amari Coopers of the world, that I just don't know what else there is out there. And I don't really see with their draft position how you're going to land either one of those A plus kind of positions in this year's draft. Like it just doesn't line up for me. So I think they need to try to find some kind of answers before the drafts with it. You don't need to find the starting left tackle in this draft like that seems like a really really hard position to be even though they might they might do it. I was was Schitzer Shitzer, I'd pencil him in as a starter. But I'm just looking at that as in the perfect world, Laden Robinson beats him out, you know, Yeah, I.

Think that's he's starting caliber player, not anymore really, but I think he's a camp tryout. I think he's going to be He's going to have to make the team, But yeah, I just.

Look at it all like competition and we're praying to God that our young guys emerged. But here's a played some games and see how he stacked.

And people have been throwing that Minnesota guy who got released, Garrett Bradbury. You know, maybe maybe he's a center. I mean, I said to Mike yesterday, like, Minnesota won fourteen games last year, he's making less than five million dollars as their starting center and they cut him.

Yeah, he's He was right next to Ben Brown in the PF.

Can't be can't be very good because that's pretty cheap for a starting offensive lineman on a good team.

This it just makes me under like, well, then what are you doing with Cole Strange, Ben Brown and Jake Andrews already on the roster if you don't have any kind of confidence that three guys spots, you know, emerge.

It's a really good guard class, especially when you factor in the tackles in college that are probably all going to move inside to guard. So one of the better I would say probably the strength of the draft on offense besides running back as guard. So I don't think you have to draft it high, but like if you drop the guard in the third or fourth round, just to kind of throw into that that pile with the names that you mentioned, and it's just another piece of competition.

Let Doug Maroon Cook. I'm all for it, Doug Cook, Tyler, and Georgia. I agree with Paul that the current staff has not actively neglected the offense, and I agree with Evan that we shouldn't hold past regimes mistakes against Rabel and company. However, in defense of those losing patients for offensive developments, it feels like receiver and right tackle have been towards the top of the need list going back to the Obama administration, whether or not they were as a realistic solution and free agency, that feeling of still needing those positions and finally building an offense that can actually score points is hard to shake.

I agree it's hard. I think people would feel better if the offense was a lot better and the defense needed addressing, because you feel like you can win games that way more consistently. But I go back to I don't have a blueprint that says you have to do this, this, and this first and then get that whatever you think presents itself, and I think this year Milton Williams was the best guy available in free agency by a lot of people's opinion. Right, he was the best free agent available. He happens to play defense. The Patriots got him, don't. I don't see the need to criticize for improving the talent level of your roster, regardless of position.

Dave in Maine says, I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on what Bill would do with the fourth overall pick if he were still here, assuming he can't trade down. We'd have to get a phone on the beach first and ask him. He's been spending time.

In the beach lately, right, I think Mason Graham defensive line, I mean someone in the trench.

I might say Will Campbell.

I would have said Will Campbell, but I think he probably would have an abnormal thing on the arm length.

No, he'd say he can overcome it.

Yeah, I don't. I think the opposite, Like the whole six four four six thing outside linebacker doesn't matter if you're an elite athlete.

If you then again, we wouldn't have Drake May. So maybe you know we'd be looking for you.

Probably wouldn't have Drake May.

That's what I was thinking is what if they took well, you probably have JJ McCarthy. Yeah, if they took joelt last year, what would your what would the Patriots thinking be?

Right now?

At fourth overall no quarterback but left tackle.

I think he's lost weight. I don't know. I mean, I'm going to trust his one hundred and seventy. I heard that he's he's dropped some weight, and I think he had to have like a second procedure something to clean out the I.

Been able to work out play eventually.

But all right, let's get back to these callers. We're gonna get them on. Eldred North Carolina. What's up? Eldred wanted mcmellan.

Hey, Paul, Yes, sir.

Y'all slipping, y'all sleeping on Milton man.

Let me tell you why?

Who Milton?

I'm looking at NFL Milton, Joe Milton.

Yeah, I'm guilty of that.

You're right, NFL Network. What Darren James he's talking about. If I was the Giants, if I was Cleveland, I traded to go to the Patriot and get Joe Milton because I played against the men and that boy is something else and he he's better nose than the draft, and I heard that more than once from everybody. And if they're talking about them on the network, I wouldn't trade for a third. He's gonna give me a suck.

So remind me he was the sixth round pick, freder six sixth round pick. Why did all these kids pass up with them in the draft and all of a sudden they're in love them, not only but everybody else.

They didn't know what elgi He was in college for six years, Like, how do they not know it?

Like he so one half of a game.

I would even say if he had a great summer and then he got a chance to play in the game, he had a terrible summer. Again, better he got better. He might have gotten better, But he played well in the first half of the last game of the year.

He might have gotten better. That's he might have gotten better. But like everybody's had a chance to evaluate Joe Milton like they had.

Him him now and.

Everybody there's six years in college, he was at the Senior Bowl, he played in the preseason.

This is not.

Listen. I hope, I hope all these teams love him that much.

Yeah, and I really don't care what he is compared to Kim cam Wood like that doesn't like, that doesn't matter to me at all. I only care if he's an NFL player or not. If I think he could be a really good NFL quarterback, I would keep him. I don't care if he's better than Shudas Sanders or not as good as Will Howard. It doesn't matter to me. It only matters to me what I think of him.

Yeah, I think you because he played, he played, he played.

One game, Like would you would who's that guy that the Seahawks gave all that my Matt Flynn? Would you take Matt Flynn? He played a great he had that great little run there and got him a free agent contract at Seattle in a third round rookie who's five ten beat him out. Russell Wilson was before he was Russell Wilson though, But.

I just I mean, like you have a large, large sample, like maybe one of the largest samples you could possibly have on a player with Joe Milton up until this point, like the guy who was in college for six years, Like he had ample opportunities to start at Michigan and Tennessee. Like this is not a prospect that's taken everybody by surprise.

But Eldred is right. He classified me I am a non believer, and I said, I think I said about half. This is going to be the next thing I'm wrong about. I just don't see it. But there's a million things that if you give you a list of that I was wrong about as could be the next one.

Hey, Chester, what's up?

Thanks for squeezing me in here. At the end, it's time for a little I'll call of crime.

All right.

This one goes out to mister tax bracket Chris Christian in La aka Chris with an STFU O. This guy is in short sided analysis is absolutely making my blood boil. You know, the whole goal going into this offseason was to build from the inside out, starting with heart, character and then obviously literally its physician. You know, getting Williams Moses Splaine really solidifies our d And you know, we've been playing from behind for so long. I think we can finally flip the script here now. You know, as asing said right after the call, you know we've got the draft.

We've got a lot to.

Look forward to here. But I got to tell you, man, Splaine really gets me fired up. We need a guy with a motor. That's passionate. You know, he's got a lot around him. But you know, I feel like we got another Nikovich type of a linebacker back there to really set the tone behind the D line. And you know, feeling really strong about that. Another thing the elephant in the room to me, guys, you know, where's Josh McDaniels In the conversation of having an offensive mind on this coaching staff. I feel like things are gonna get back to where they need to be in terms of orchestrating a competent offense. I'm excited about this.

You know, we gotta build it.

Running back. I think we go late, try to get guy like camp Scataboo. That's another passion guy, and you know, hopefully he can fit in. But listen, I'm all in on getting excited, optimistic. Let's go, let's get to the pro shop. Let's slide from apparel and that's all I got.

All right, thanks, jes Let's go. Let's go bring them in.

They need to improve the offense. If they're going to do what he said though, you're gonna start playing from in front, right, they need to find a way to score. Yeah, right, Having a good defense doesn't give you a lead. Let's just maybe maybe you're not down by three touchdowns like you were last year, but you got to find a way to score in these games.

You can all you can all complain about the offense in May first, Okay, like just if they get through the draft and we're still in this position, even.

Then, there's gonna be some changes after that. You know, guys, you still think that just happens. It's always happened. There's a lot of history there.

Who's the guy that got last year?

After that?

Say, every year it happens, but it's the guy.

They got the year before Cam Newton?

Was that the Cam Newton year.

We can't judge anything by the last four years.

That's that's what you get at that time of year, Cam Newton and.

At the time we were our heads were exploding, right. We had an emergency podcast when we got him.

We did, but that's for the same reasons. It's not because we thought the offense was fixed.

No, But it was exciting to get a former m v P.

You know, just like I'm to watch the new draft night if they do get Travis Hunter on Thursday night, and I believe that the plan will be to play them at wide.

Try him there first.

Yeah, that that changes this then all.

Of a sudden, like all these like people neglecting the offense, it's like not so much sitting there.

And that's what keeps saying I'm not going to get them in trouble for things that they haven't done yet. That's one of his stupid crutch phrases that he uses all the time. But like, if they do that, and he's the best wide receiver in the draft, like everybody says, and the Patriots view him as that, right, the Patriots are on record, well not record, but there's reports that indicate the Patriots believe he's the best corner and wide receiver in the draft, right, right, So if you draft him, like Evan said at four, the generationalking about is your playing?

Mm hmmm, sign me up?

Okay, do you want gent stop?

I mean, if he's still on the board.

What would you go? What would you give to go from fourth to number two in order to get Travis Hunter, Joe.

Milton co sign I would give Joe Milton for that?

Would you give up two threes?

Just not sixteen nine?

I don't know what sure, I don't know what it costs him about two spots in this draft.

Yeah, I don't either, Like.

I don't want to say, like, oh yeah, would give two threes to find out? Like what do you kiddit? You could have given up a fifth to do that, Like I don't, I don't. I don't know those numbers off the top of my head.

Yeah.

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