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He's a red shirt rookie at that point, so it's really that's his rookie season essentially too. So now we're really not talking about them, really knowing.

He's a red shirt rookie at that point, so it's really that's his rookie season essentially too. So now we're really not talking about them, really knowing.

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And Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it. He joined as always by our Barak.

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Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars but they are still a.

Better coordinator than him.

Better coordinator than him.

To be a coordinator, Mayo was never a coordinator. Hiring him to be a co I coach and I'm hiring him to run the football team.

To be a coordinator, Mayo was never a coordinator. Hiring him to be a co I coach and I'm hiring him to run the football team.

He's games.

He's games.

The buck stops with him. He is the boss.

The buck stops with him. He is the boss.

So Kyle Shan's head coach is what you're saying you got me so fired up that I cursed.

So Kyle Shan's head coach is what you're saying you got me so fired up that I cursed.

That was awesome. That was and I got more than maybe any show we've done. I got a ton of positive feedback on like just people reaching out on social media or whatever.

That was awesome. That was and I got more than maybe any show we've done. I got a ton of positive feedback on like just people reaching out on social media or whatever.

Just gas yourself up.

Just gas yourself up.

No, no, I'm saying, like to both of us that like, hey, this was you guys had the conversation. That's what I wanted to do, Like I wasn't we said that going to the show. We wanted to lay out the argument for both sides. It wasn't one of us trying to necessarily convince the other one. It was just here's the case for one, here's the case for both. We we or the other. We both thought they'd each be a good hire. And I think it resonated with a lot of people. So I appreciate everybody that reached out. And that was it's gonna be we we have tough act to fall. It's going to be tough to follow that show. That was one of the best shows we've done.

No, no, I'm saying, like to both of us that like, hey, this was you guys had the conversation. That's what I wanted to do, Like I wasn't we said that going to the show. We wanted to lay out the argument for both sides. It wasn't one of us trying to necessarily convince the other one. It was just here's the case for one, here's the case for both. We we or the other. We both thought they'd each be a good hire. And I think it resonated with a lot of people. So I appreciate everybody that reached out. And that was it's gonna be we we have tough act to fall. It's going to be tough to follow that show. That was one of the best shows we've done.

There you go, so you you got your way, you won, you want you you won the argument. Mister Kraft sided with you.

There you go, so you you got your way, you won, you want you you won the argument. Mister Kraft sided with you.

They were they were waiting to hear that until they made high that clearly I presented that I was.

They were they were waiting to hear that until they made high that clearly I presented that I was.

Well.

Well.

Of course, they made the decision based off of the show last week, and they decided.

Of course, they made the decision based off of the show last week, and they decided.

Robert to go with you looking at his phone going back and forth.

Robert to go with you looking at his phone going back and forth.

You know what, he makes a lot of good points, That's what they were saying. Uh and uh, you know you you won, so you know, credit to you.

You know what, he makes a lot of good points, That's what they were saying. Uh and uh, you know you you won, so you know, credit to you.

I guess I don't. I mean, you haven't won anything yet. You know, you gotta win.

I guess I don't. I mean, you haven't won anything yet. You know, you gotta win.

No pressures on me. Now, you just get to sit back. If it doesn't work out, and I told you it does work, you can say, well.

No pressures on me. Now, you just get to sit back. If it doesn't work out, and I told you it does work, you can say, well.

It would have worked with they run the ball thirty five times a game, and and you know eight nine, Well.

It would have worked with they run the ball thirty five times a game, and and you know eight nine, Well.

You're going to talk about run rate. Let's let's not look up with the Lions run rates because.

You're going to talk about run rate. Let's let's not look up with the Lions run rates because.

We'll get to all this stuff, all right, kind of I know, I know you you have all the ammo because the people have been coming at at your boy a little bit over now now that the dust has settled it, it feels like there are some anti Rabel people that are starting to come out, some Titans fans, you know, people like that. We'll get to all that. And here in a second, Evan Lazar Alex Bars. If you don't know by now, I'm sure you do. Patriots Catch twenty two next couple hours with you here today. It's our first show since the Patriots announced the hiring of Mike Rabel as their head coach, So we haven't been on the air since the hire.

We'll get to all this stuff, all right, kind of I know, I know you you have all the ammo because the people have been coming at at your boy a little bit over now now that the dust has settled it, it feels like there are some anti Rabel people that are starting to come out, some Titans fans, you know, people like that. We'll get to all that. And here in a second, Evan Lazar Alex Bars. If you don't know by now, I'm sure you do. Patriots Catch twenty two next couple hours with you here today. It's our first show since the Patriots announced the hiring of Mike Rabel as their head coach, So we haven't been on the air since the hire.

We haven't been on the air since the press conference.

We haven't been on the air since the press conference.

So we got a lot of things to talk about here today in terms of all that and spin it forward. But I think the biggest thing that I wanted to start with today because when we had that argument last week, you know, I obviously knew were able to player. I knew of able to coach from the outside looking in, but I never spent any real time with him or observing hammer at press conferences of his or anything like that, so I.

So we got a lot of things to talk about here today in terms of all that and spin it forward. But I think the biggest thing that I wanted to start with today because when we had that argument last week, you know, I obviously knew were able to player. I knew of able to coach from the outside looking in, but I never spent any real time with him or observing hammer at press conferences of his or anything like that, so I.

Didn't know him as deeply as maybe I do now.

Didn't know him as deeply as maybe I do now.

And I think the one thing that I knew when they hired him was they were going to get and I hope, I'm you know, speaking out of turn, they're going to get an a hole right that was going to be able to come in here and say you you and you out, you you and you in.

And I think the one thing that I knew when they hired him was they were going to get and I hope, I'm you know, speaking out of turn, they're going to get an a hole right that was going to be able to come in here and say you you and you out, you you and you in.

You know, this is what we're doing.

You know, this is what we're doing.

This is our.

This is our.

Direction, this is our plan, and he definitely is going to do that. I feel as though that that stuff still applies. He's going to get the right people. He's going to get the people that do things the right way. He's going to get football people to run football. He is going to coach a more discipline team, a more fundamentally sound team, more aware and you know, situationally aware certainly football team.

Direction, this is our plan, and he definitely is going to do that. I feel as though that that stuff still applies. He's going to get the right people. He's going to get the people that do things the right way. He's going to get football people to run football. He is going to coach a more discipline team, a more fundamentally sound team, more aware and you know, situationally aware certainly football team.

Which was all the things that were the selling points.

Which was all the things that were the selling points.

Yeah, the one thing that stood out to me just watching his introductory press conference, having him in here on PU for fifteen minut it's the other day, and then his interview I would say yesterday with Ei was really good too. And having all of these interviews now as Patriots head coach, the number one thing that I think I undersold initially with this was how analytically minded in detailty is when it comes to football, Like, this is a guy that can talk your ear off about football philosophy, strategy, scheme, analytics, sports science, player health, mental health, you know, and player just in terms of philosophy of how to deal with the modern player in all these different walks of being a head coach, personnel, scouting, you know what is it that you look for and wide receivers? He's got an answer, you know, how are you going to apply analytics to the football program? He's thought of these things, and that respect, he reminds me a little bit of Bill and that he has all of these types of things that go into building a football team and go into building a program. All he's thought these things through, and he has answers for all of it, and and sound and smart, you know, intellectual answers.

Yeah, the one thing that stood out to me just watching his introductory press conference, having him in here on PU for fifteen minut it's the other day, and then his interview I would say yesterday with Ei was really good too. And having all of these interviews now as Patriots head coach, the number one thing that I think I undersold initially with this was how analytically minded in detailty is when it comes to football, Like, this is a guy that can talk your ear off about football philosophy, strategy, scheme, analytics, sports science, player health, mental health, you know, and player just in terms of philosophy of how to deal with the modern player in all these different walks of being a head coach, personnel, scouting, you know what is it that you look for and wide receivers? He's got an answer, you know, how are you going to apply analytics to the football program? He's thought of these things, and that respect, he reminds me a little bit of Bill and that he has all of these types of things that go into building a football team and go into building a program. All he's thought these things through, and he has answers for all of it, and and sound and smart, you know, intellectual answers.

About a lot of it.

About a lot of it.

This is not you know, all I played linebacker and I'm a meathead and we're gonna bit kneecaps. Okay, this is this is the guy that's really thought things through in a lot of ways about about coaching. So I understold that aspect of him, about how just detailed and really just football savvy he is because I knew he's a great motivator. I know who's a good defensive mind. You knew he was a great culture guy. But I do think that he has a lot more of that element to him than I expected. And it really does feel like and look, we're in the honeymoon phrase right now with it. Let's see what happens come September if they start losing games and things like that. But right now, it really does feel like they've found the perfect middle between Bill Belichick and Gerrod Mayo, where you now have the intellect of somebody who thinks the game more on the lines of Bill and can go to that depth that Bill could go to with the game, but also has a little bit more of a softer touch of a modern player philosophy. And I think that that's great. I'm excited about all that.

This is not you know, all I played linebacker and I'm a meathead and we're gonna bit kneecaps. Okay, this is this is the guy that's really thought things through in a lot of ways about about coaching. So I understold that aspect of him, about how just detailed and really just football savvy he is because I knew he's a great motivator. I know who's a good defensive mind. You knew he was a great culture guy. But I do think that he has a lot more of that element to him than I expected. And it really does feel like and look, we're in the honeymoon phrase right now with it. Let's see what happens come September if they start losing games and things like that. But right now, it really does feel like they've found the perfect middle between Bill Belichick and Gerrod Mayo, where you now have the intellect of somebody who thinks the game more on the lines of Bill and can go to that depth that Bill could go to with the game, but also has a little bit more of a softer touch of a modern player philosophy. And I think that that's great. I'm excited about all that.

Yeah, And look, I mean it's a good caveat that. It's it's one thing to say all the right things, it's another thing to execute them. We thought you're rad and some of the coaching staff at this time last year. We're saying a lot of the right things. But the difference is when a lot of the stuff Mike Brevil talks about he's done, he's done before, whether he did in Tennessee. You talked about the analytics stuff, which we'll get into, and I think he might be surprised on my take on that. Well, you know, he's done that in Cleveland. He spent last year in Cleveland with with what might be the most analytically driven organization in the league. But no, the stuff you're talking about that surprised you. This is what I was. This is what I meant when I said said program builder, right, like the core concepts aren't there is that Well, we're gonna work hard and we're gonna respect each other and we're gonna be accountable like all those kind of buzzwords. But it's also you know, we're gonna we're gonna do this in this and in player evaluation when it comes to analytics, and this is what we want guys that can do this, right, It's not just we want guys that work hard. He gave that answer I forget, which he did so many interviews the other day, which credit to him. I think it was one with Dan Roach where he talked about the wide receivers and he goes, right, we want guys with the big catch raiders. We want guys that can create after the catch. We want guys that are right. That's actual. So it's not just we want guys that work hard and that stuff the coach buzzwords. There's actual football substance behind it. And when you combine those two, that's where you get your program. And he didn't get into the nuts. And bolts of it. I didn't expect him to get into the nuts and bolts of it in the first few days. But between the interview he did, the initial press conference and then interviews he did subsequently had a good interview with Zolak and Bertrand in ninety eighty five some of the other stuff, like you can kind of see the skeleton for what the program is. We're really getting idea of what this is going to look like. Fullback might be coming back. Credit to you for getting that one out of him. Again, he kind of talked about what he wants with receivers. I thought it was notable when he was asked basically, you have the fourth pick, you have all this cap space and just your thoughts, he went right to the offensive line and immediately and there was another answer he gave in another interview where he was kind of asked about building the roster, and he went right to the offensive line. So we're kind of seeing these core concepts early on. But here you have a guy that isn't just going to talk about the core concepts. We've seen him execute this in.

Yeah, And look, I mean it's a good caveat that. It's it's one thing to say all the right things, it's another thing to execute them. We thought you're rad and some of the coaching staff at this time last year. We're saying a lot of the right things. But the difference is when a lot of the stuff Mike Brevil talks about he's done, he's done before, whether he did in Tennessee. You talked about the analytics stuff, which we'll get into, and I think he might be surprised on my take on that. Well, you know, he's done that in Cleveland. He spent last year in Cleveland with with what might be the most analytically driven organization in the league. But no, the stuff you're talking about that surprised you. This is what I was. This is what I meant when I said said program builder, right, like the core concepts aren't there is that Well, we're gonna work hard and we're gonna respect each other and we're gonna be accountable like all those kind of buzzwords. But it's also you know, we're gonna we're gonna do this in this and in player evaluation when it comes to analytics, and this is what we want guys that can do this, right, It's not just we want guys that work hard. He gave that answer I forget, which he did so many interviews the other day, which credit to him. I think it was one with Dan Roach where he talked about the wide receivers and he goes, right, we want guys with the big catch raiders. We want guys that can create after the catch. We want guys that are right. That's actual. So it's not just we want guys that work hard and that stuff the coach buzzwords. There's actual football substance behind it. And when you combine those two, that's where you get your program. And he didn't get into the nuts. And bolts of it. I didn't expect him to get into the nuts and bolts of it in the first few days. But between the interview he did, the initial press conference and then interviews he did subsequently had a good interview with Zolak and Bertrand in ninety eighty five some of the other stuff, like you can kind of see the skeleton for what the program is. We're really getting idea of what this is going to look like. Fullback might be coming back. Credit to you for getting that one out of him. Again, he kind of talked about what he wants with receivers. I thought it was notable when he was asked basically, you have the fourth pick, you have all this cap space and just your thoughts, he went right to the offensive line and immediately and there was another answer he gave in another interview where he was kind of asked about building the roster, and he went right to the offensive line. So we're kind of seeing these core concepts early on. But here you have a guy that isn't just going to talk about the core concepts. We've seen him execute this in.

The past, so he has plans, yes, and I hate to kick the last guy when he's down, and I don't want to do that. But to compare and contrast, Yeah, Girod had concepts of plans, right, like he had ideas, but I don't think he necessarily knew how to take those ideas and turn them into tangible practices, right, and actually execute those ideas. And then we're overarching, right, And then they got it and they got into everything, and they get into the season, and they get into training camp, and then the train is going one hundred miles an hour and things start going really really fast.

The past, so he has plans, yes, and I hate to kick the last guy when he's down, and I don't want to do that. But to compare and contrast, Yeah, Girod had concepts of plans, right, like he had ideas, but I don't think he necessarily knew how to take those ideas and turn them into tangible practices, right, and actually execute those ideas. And then we're overarching, right, And then they got it and they got into everything, and they get into the season, and they get into training camp, and then the train is going one hundred miles an hour and things start going really really fast.

What I look at with Mike Rabel is that he already.

What I look at with Mike Rabel is that he already.

Has actual concrete evidence and plans of this is what we're gonna do. This is how I put it into practice in Tennessee, and this is how it's gonna work.

Has actual concrete evidence and plans of this is what we're gonna do. This is how I put it into practice in Tennessee, and this is how it's gonna work.

And that's refreshing.

And that's refreshing.

It's refreshing to have somebody that is asked and I know, you know that the analytics answer he gave just made me just I mean, I could listen to that all day.

It's refreshing to have somebody that is asked and I know, you know that the analytics answer he gave just made me just I mean, I could listen to that all day.

I think we did that. He was kind of crazy about it. It's like, you go back to that argument we had last week. Yeah, and it was a philosophical argument. It wasn't you know, debating is this right or wrong? You go back to that argument, and then you listen to what he said over the last forty eight hours, and there are things we can both point to and hang our hat on that's like, Yeah, that's that's what I'm talking about. That's the guy I want coaching my football team, which I think is kind of crazy.

I think we did that. He was kind of crazy about it. It's like, you go back to that argument we had last week. Yeah, and it was a philosophical argument. It wasn't you know, debating is this right or wrong? You go back to that argument, and then you listen to what he said over the last forty eight hours, and there are things we can both point to and hang our hat on that's like, Yeah, that's that's what I'm talking about. That's the guy I want coaching my football team, which I think is kind of crazy.

That to me is a good way. That's what swayed me. I was already convinced, Okay, it's a proven coach with a proven you know, concept, and I understand why the hire is happening, and I didn't need to be that sold on it, you know what I mean. But what really put it over the top for me the last couple of days is all these elements of this is a guy that is more modern thinking and more analytically driven than I knew that I anticipated. Now is some of that because of his year in Cleveland and he's coming off that And you mentioned so Paldi to Podesta's in Cleveland. Who's the Jonah Hill character in Moneyball? Right for people that don't know, So, he was a big analytics guy in baseball. The Cleveland Browns hired him to run their analytics department and bring analytics to football, and they have a huge analytics department, like it's one of the biggest in the league.

That to me is a good way. That's what swayed me. I was already convinced, Okay, it's a proven coach with a proven you know, concept, and I understand why the hire is happening, and I didn't need to be that sold on it, you know what I mean. But what really put it over the top for me the last couple of days is all these elements of this is a guy that is more modern thinking and more analytically driven than I knew that I anticipated. Now is some of that because of his year in Cleveland and he's coming off that And you mentioned so Paldi to Podesta's in Cleveland. Who's the Jonah Hill character in Moneyball? Right for people that don't know, So, he was a big analytics guy in baseball. The Cleveland Browns hired him to run their analytics department and bring analytics to football, and they have a huge analytics department, like it's one of the biggest in the league.

Now.

Now.

The Rams are very analytically driven and have two guys in their entire analytics department, so it's not necessarily about volume. The Patriots currently have one person employed to run analytics in the entire football department. No, No, Rastine is is in football, but this is you know, their director of research is the one guy who is who's running analytics for the Patriots. The Patriots, in a lot of ways, you know, are our dinosaurs when it comes to applying analytics to person to scouting, to the personnel side of things.

The Rams are very analytically driven and have two guys in their entire analytics department, so it's not necessarily about volume. The Patriots currently have one person employed to run analytics in the entire football department. No, No, Rastine is is in football, but this is you know, their director of research is the one guy who is who's running analytics for the Patriots. The Patriots, in a lot of ways, you know, are our dinosaurs when it comes to applying analytics to person to scouting, to the personnel side of things.

And we can get to that.

And we can get to that.

But all these different things that he has said that he that he's talked about.

But all these different things that he has said that he that he's talked about.

Has really been encouraging in terms.

Has really been encouraging in terms.

Of having a modern view, having an innovative view of the game, but also still understanding that football is football, and it's one of the trenches, and they're a physical element, there's an aggressive element, there's a motivational element, and all those things are true. What I worry about is when you hire a coach that can't apply both, right, that's only worried about. We're gonna be fast, and we're gonna be aggressive, and we're gonna be physical, and we're gonna be.

Of having a modern view, having an innovative view of the game, but also still understanding that football is football, and it's one of the trenches, and they're a physical element, there's an aggressive element, there's a motivational element, and all those things are true. What I worry about is when you hire a coach that can't apply both, right, that's only worried about. We're gonna be fast, and we're gonna be aggressive, and we're gonna be physical, and we're gonna be.

Tough, like cool.

Tough, like cool.

Yeah, that's important, but you know, there's all these other things now that go into football that we know. So with all that being said, that's a lot of sunshines and rainbows up the new head coaches, you know what. Yeah, and rightfully, So, he's done a good job for the two days that he's been on the show to go a long way to go. The concerns that I still have about this entire situation are still there until we find out more information. And I understand that I'm maybe getting concerned about something that hasn't happened yet in terms of the coordinator interviews, because we haven't heard much about where we're headed with that.

Yeah, that's important, but you know, there's all these other things now that go into football that we know. So with all that being said, that's a lot of sunshines and rainbows up the new head coaches, you know what. Yeah, and rightfully, So, he's done a good job for the two days that he's been on the show to go a long way to go. The concerns that I still have about this entire situation are still there until we find out more information. And I understand that I'm maybe getting concerned about something that hasn't happened yet in terms of the coordinator interviews, because we haven't heard much about where we're headed with that.

But I think that starts soon. Yeah, he said that they were going.

But I think that starts soon. Yeah, he said that they were going.

To start talking about it yesterday afternoon after all of his media obligations were finally over with, and they're, you know, him and Elliott and Ryan Cowd and those guys are going to get to work on the interview process for the coaching staff.

To start talking about it yesterday afternoon after all of his media obligations were finally over with, and they're, you know, him and Elliott and Ryan Cowd and those guys are going to get to work on the interview process for the coaching staff.

But a couple of things with that one.

But a couple of things with that one.

It can't be understated how major of a higher offensive coordinator is it is a massive, massive hire for the direction of this franchise. And I want to kick around some names and things like that as well, but just from a big pictures perspective, it's a major, major aspect of this is who he's gonna tab as coordinator. And if you talk to people down in Tennessee, it wasn't always great in terms of putting together a staff down there. He didn't really and this is just their their word, so I'm just taking them at their word down in Tennessee. Didn't really get along with Matt Lafleur, and then promoted Arthur Smith to avoid losing him to Matt Laflour because Matt Lafleur wanted to bring Arthur Smith with him to Green Bay. So he kind of, I would, I think lucked in is the wrong word, but he he's sort of, you know, by association, kind of stumbled into a coaching staff on the offense side of the ball that worked for a while there in Tennessee. So who hecquires his offensive coordinator and then obviously you know what kind of offense they build is still to me the number one question that I have, The number two question, of course, is how this is all going to work out in the front office. There's been a lot of reporting out there, Mike re Reeve, Tom Curran, people that are in the know that you trust that Mike Rable is going to be the last line, right, He's going to have the final say on personnel. But Mike Rabel is not going to be scouting four hundred college prospects and grinding the tape all off season of you know, who's the guy he told me to watch earlier today that's in a like San Jose State.

It can't be understated how major of a higher offensive coordinator is it is a massive, massive hire for the direction of this franchise. And I want to kick around some names and things like that as well, but just from a big pictures perspective, it's a major, major aspect of this is who he's gonna tab as coordinator. And if you talk to people down in Tennessee, it wasn't always great in terms of putting together a staff down there. He didn't really and this is just their their word, so I'm just taking them at their word down in Tennessee. Didn't really get along with Matt Lafleur, and then promoted Arthur Smith to avoid losing him to Matt Laflour because Matt Lafleur wanted to bring Arthur Smith with him to Green Bay. So he kind of, I would, I think lucked in is the wrong word, but he he's sort of, you know, by association, kind of stumbled into a coaching staff on the offense side of the ball that worked for a while there in Tennessee. So who hecquires his offensive coordinator and then obviously you know what kind of offense they build is still to me the number one question that I have, The number two question, of course, is how this is all going to work out in the front office. There's been a lot of reporting out there, Mike re Reeve, Tom Curran, people that are in the know that you trust that Mike Rable is going to be the last line, right, He's going to have the final say on personnel. But Mike Rabel is not going to be scouting four hundred college prospects and grinding the tape all off season of you know, who's the guy he told me to watch earlier today that's in a like San Jose State.

Yeah, you need to watch it. You do need to watch it.

Yeah, you need to watch it. You do need to watch it.

Yeah, So he's at San Jose State trip. Yeah, so, yeah, he's the receiver. I'm sorry he's not watching you know, day three guy, right, Like, he's not grinding film on He's not grinding the film on all these guys. Right, that's gonna be cowten and that's gonna be Elliott Wolf. So can you get the coordinator higher?

Yeah, So he's at San Jose State trip. Yeah, so, yeah, he's the receiver. I'm sorry he's not watching you know, day three guy, right, Like, he's not grinding film on He's not grinding the film on all these guys. Right, that's gonna be cowten and that's gonna be Elliott Wolf. So can you get the coordinator higher?

Right?

Right?

Can you pick players like that? That's what this is gonna come down to. I think we all feel really good about Rabel as the head coach of the team, and you feel like you're in good hands in terms of the head coach of the football team. But that's only one piece of it. You know, that's a big piece, but it's only one piece. So now, how do we move forward with those two things are still concerns that I have because just from the outside looking in, just from my opinion, what I look at with Rabel and Ryan Cowden and Elliot Wolf and that whole dynamic, I kind of look at a peaceful transmision of power like that. To me, looks like Ryan Cowden and Mike Rabel are going to be running the show here, not before long. But Elliott Wolf has the institutional knowledge of what the roster looks like right now, what the coaching staff looks like right now, how the buildings run, So they're keeping him on to kind of help transition into the Rabel era. But when it comes to April and it comes to the draft, or it comes to March and free agency, how are they gonna run the board and how are they gonna go about picking the players is a massive piece of this. So I don't know which way you want to go from there, but I think that you know, we know who the people in charge are on the personnel side, the coordinators is more about kicking the names.

Can you pick players like that? That's what this is gonna come down to. I think we all feel really good about Rabel as the head coach of the team, and you feel like you're in good hands in terms of the head coach of the football team. But that's only one piece of it. You know, that's a big piece, but it's only one piece. So now, how do we move forward with those two things are still concerns that I have because just from the outside looking in, just from my opinion, what I look at with Rabel and Ryan Cowden and Elliot Wolf and that whole dynamic, I kind of look at a peaceful transmision of power like that. To me, looks like Ryan Cowden and Mike Rabel are going to be running the show here, not before long. But Elliott Wolf has the institutional knowledge of what the roster looks like right now, what the coaching staff looks like right now, how the buildings run, So they're keeping him on to kind of help transition into the Rabel era. But when it comes to April and it comes to the draft, or it comes to March and free agency, how are they gonna run the board and how are they gonna go about picking the players is a massive piece of this. So I don't know which way you want to go from there, but I think that you know, we know who the people in charge are on the personnel side, the coordinators is more about kicking the names.

So I guess that's easier to start, and maybe we buy some time. Maybe we get some coordinator interview. See me looking at my phone or Evan looking at his phone. I'm just trying to we know the computers because there's no death, so there's an interview. We want to be able to react to it.

So I guess that's easier to start, and maybe we buy some time. Maybe we get some coordinator interview. See me looking at my phone or Evan looking at his phone. I'm just trying to we know the computers because there's no death, so there's an interview. We want to be able to react to it.

Yeah, stop looking at your phone, all right, I'm trying to find out we have news pay attention on.

Yeah, stop looking at your phone, all right, I'm trying to find out we have news pay attention on.

The front office. Thing Like. It almost kind of feels like, now, now Bill would grind the film, but maybe not to the level that some of the other guys did, just because he was also doing the head coaching stuff. It's kind of feels like the set up under Bill right where Ryan Collton, Elliott Wolf. They're gonna do the legwork, They're gonna like get all the reports together, and then they're gonna go to Mike Rabel and basically be like, here are your options. Yeah, and then Mike looks at the options and he picks right, which I don't think is a bad set up with Wolf. I think you're right. So much of this process has already completed. The scouting process does not begin in January, begins really in August, and in some cases began a year ago or two years ago with some of these guys who are under who have played multiple years, who are seniors. So you can't just blow the whole staff out. You can't start from scratch in January. You would be so far behind you would it would be impossible to catch up from how far behind you are. So to me, Elliot Wolf's here because him and his staff did all the work during the football season. He's going to be able to kind of pass that forward, like you said, some of the institutional knowledge, and then we'll see when the draft's over, if he sticks around or if it's all right, you know, we'll we'll take it from here. Rydan Callvin will take it from here, and you move on from that. But I don't hate the setup. I don't for for what this year is. I don't know that I would keep it permanently. I think it's basically Elliot Wolf kind of auditioning for his job at this point. But for what this year is, I think that's probably the right way to structure.

The front office. Thing Like. It almost kind of feels like, now, now Bill would grind the film, but maybe not to the level that some of the other guys did, just because he was also doing the head coaching stuff. It's kind of feels like the set up under Bill right where Ryan Collton, Elliott Wolf. They're gonna do the legwork, They're gonna like get all the reports together, and then they're gonna go to Mike Rabel and basically be like, here are your options. Yeah, and then Mike looks at the options and he picks right, which I don't think is a bad set up with Wolf. I think you're right. So much of this process has already completed. The scouting process does not begin in January, begins really in August, and in some cases began a year ago or two years ago with some of these guys who are under who have played multiple years, who are seniors. So you can't just blow the whole staff out. You can't start from scratch in January. You would be so far behind you would it would be impossible to catch up from how far behind you are. So to me, Elliot Wolf's here because him and his staff did all the work during the football season. He's going to be able to kind of pass that forward, like you said, some of the institutional knowledge, and then we'll see when the draft's over, if he sticks around or if it's all right, you know, we'll we'll take it from here. Rydan Callvin will take it from here, and you move on from that. But I don't hate the setup. I don't for for what this year is. I don't know that I would keep it permanently. I think it's basically Elliot Wolf kind of auditioning for his job at this point. But for what this year is, I think that's probably the right way to structure.

Yeah, you mentioned the Vrabel's comments about receivers and like what he looks for a wide receivers which, by the way, not not to get into speculation about trades.

Yeah, you mentioned the Vrabel's comments about receivers and like what he looks for a wide receivers which, by the way, not not to get into speculation about trades.

He described a J.

He described a J.

Brown, He did describe it. Yeah, he also kind of described Tech McMillan.

Brown, He did describe it. Yeah, he also kind of described Tech McMillan.

Tech McMillan doesn't is not physical like that Teed McMillan is. He described described a J Brown contested catches.

Tech McMillan doesn't is not physical like that Teed McMillan is. He described described a J Brown contested catches.

Funny, Sorry, I saw that quote going around and everybody's just saying he described whatever whoever their favorite receiver is that's available.

Funny, Sorry, I saw that quote going around and everybody's just saying he described whatever whoever their favorite receiver is that's available.

Oh no, he described a J.

Oh no, he described a J.

Brown to a t like, contested catches, yards after catchability, tough to tackle, physical in the run game like it's a J. Brown, right, And so held hopefully with this setup, it's gonna be Rabel and whoever he hires as the offensive coordinator saying for us to make this scheme work, this is the archetype, like, this is the type of.

Brown to a t like, contested catches, yards after catchability, tough to tackle, physical in the run game like it's a J. Brown, right, And so held hopefully with this setup, it's gonna be Rabel and whoever he hires as the offensive coordinator saying for us to make this scheme work, this is the archetype, like, this is the type of.

Player that we need.

Player that we need.

And then Elliott Wolf and Ryan Cowden can then go and narrow down the list. So, okay, these are the five guys that fit that type of mold, and then Rabel will then go watch some tape himself and kind of come up with it of who exactly, you know, he feels is the best out of that group. So that that's how it runs in a lot of places. You know, the coaches come to the personnel people and they say, you know, these are the groceries that I need to make this meal, and then they're supposed to go and find the right ingredients and then bring them back to the coach.

And then Elliott Wolf and Ryan Cowden can then go and narrow down the list. So, okay, these are the five guys that fit that type of mold, and then Rabel will then go watch some tape himself and kind of come up with it of who exactly, you know, he feels is the best out of that group. So that that's how it runs in a lot of places. You know, the coaches come to the personnel people and they say, you know, these are the groceries that I need to make this meal, and then they're supposed to go and find the right ingredients and then bring them back to the coach.

So it's a fine setup. I don't mind it.

So it's a fine setup. I don't mind it.

I think it's a little bit awkward obviously with the holdovers from the last regime and Elliott Wolf and Matt Growe and Cameron Williams, the director College Scouting, pat Stewart. You know, it was a high ranking official in the Patriots front office. Like those people are all still here currently. They were all at the press conference on Monday, so they're all still currently here. And it is a little bit of an awkward dynamic there. But it Rabel's the guy that has the hammer, as Mike Reaves put it on your station, I think, then, you know, everybody's got to kind of fall in line underneath Rabel, and he's the one that hopefully will be able to keep everybody you know, on schedule, on tracks and in check. So that's the front office side of it. I do eventually I agree with you. I still feel like it will be Ryan Cowden and Mike Rabel for the long term, and maybe we see some of these other guys phased out over the course of the next couple of years. But the other big element to this as well, just going back the little history on Ryan Cowden and Mike Rabel, this was supposed to happen in Tennessee, right, These two guys were supposed to take power in Tennessee after they fired John Robinson and Tennessee Cowden was named the interim general manager for the time being, and the owner, who's the owner. She said that, you know, Cowden was going to be the general manager, Rabel was going to be the head coach. And then in order to basically avoid giving too much power to Mike Rabel, because that's his guy, You're basically handing the building over to Mike Ramble at that point. In order to give, you know, to avoid giving up too much power to Mike Rabel, she changed her mind and hired Ran Carthin And that was sort of what caused the the House of cards, right like that, that's sort of what caused it all to fall down there in Tennessee. So from the outside looking in, this looks like mister Kraft is saying.

I think it's a little bit awkward obviously with the holdovers from the last regime and Elliott Wolf and Matt Growe and Cameron Williams, the director College Scouting, pat Stewart. You know, it was a high ranking official in the Patriots front office. Like those people are all still here currently. They were all at the press conference on Monday, so they're all still currently here. And it is a little bit of an awkward dynamic there. But it Rabel's the guy that has the hammer, as Mike Reaves put it on your station, I think, then, you know, everybody's got to kind of fall in line underneath Rabel, and he's the one that hopefully will be able to keep everybody you know, on schedule, on tracks and in check. So that's the front office side of it. I do eventually I agree with you. I still feel like it will be Ryan Cowden and Mike Rabel for the long term, and maybe we see some of these other guys phased out over the course of the next couple of years. But the other big element to this as well, just going back the little history on Ryan Cowden and Mike Rabel, this was supposed to happen in Tennessee, right, These two guys were supposed to take power in Tennessee after they fired John Robinson and Tennessee Cowden was named the interim general manager for the time being, and the owner, who's the owner. She said that, you know, Cowden was going to be the general manager, Rabel was going to be the head coach. And then in order to basically avoid giving too much power to Mike Rabel, because that's his guy, You're basically handing the building over to Mike Ramble at that point. In order to give, you know, to avoid giving up too much power to Mike Rabel, she changed her mind and hired Ran Carthin And that was sort of what caused the the House of cards, right like that, that's sort of what caused it all to fall down there in Tennessee. So from the outside looking in, this looks like mister Kraft is saying.

We'll do it. Well, we'll give you the keys, and with Ryan Cadden, we're cool with that.

We'll do it. Well, we'll give you the keys, and with Ryan Cadden, we're cool with that.

So that's the front office side of it. Before we get into all the coordinators. Because I made a list, you made a list. We all have names, and I think you know it's it's super important to talk about. We do have to pay the bills here first and say, hey, Patriots fans, if you want to see Toyota's best offers, including those not seen on TV, go to buy a Toyota dot com. It's Toyota's official website for deals from the official vehicle of the New England Patriots, Toyota, Let's go places and easy to drink, easy to enjoy, bud Light, the official beer sponsor of the New England Patriots. Okay, before we open it up to the phones into the email, which we have plenty of, I do want to talk about offensive coordinator and where they go. Now, big big news yesterday Patriots and Jason Tommy Reese goes back to Cleveland as their offensive coordinator. So Tommy Reese is off the board. Where do you would you like to see them go with offensive coordinator? And I think it's kind of Josh McDaniels verus the field right now for a lot of people.

So that's the front office side of it. Before we get into all the coordinators. Because I made a list, you made a list. We all have names, and I think you know it's it's super important to talk about. We do have to pay the bills here first and say, hey, Patriots fans, if you want to see Toyota's best offers, including those not seen on TV, go to buy a Toyota dot com. It's Toyota's official website for deals from the official vehicle of the New England Patriots, Toyota, Let's go places and easy to drink, easy to enjoy, bud Light, the official beer sponsor of the New England Patriots. Okay, before we open it up to the phones into the email, which we have plenty of, I do want to talk about offensive coordinator and where they go. Now, big big news yesterday Patriots and Jason Tommy Reese goes back to Cleveland as their offensive coordinator. So Tommy Reese is off the board. Where do you would you like to see them go with offensive coordinator? And I think it's kind of Josh McDaniels verus the field right now for a lot of people.

So how do you specifically feel about Josh.

So how do you specifically feel about Josh.

So I'm still kind of where we were last week, which is I'm not opposed to it. I don't think he'd be a bad hire. I'm curious how much more there is to the twenty twenty Cam Newton offense, because yeah, I think they're basically gonna end up running a version. They should run a version of that with Drake may If Josh McDaniels is here, there's obviously the big plus. He's not a flight risk. He's not going anywhere. You have some security, you have some you know you're gonna build continuity with him and Drake may Be. It'd be a fine hire. I'm curious about some of those up and coming guys I said last week, can he find his own? Ben Johnson? I would still kind of poke around, talk to talk to people in that world and see if you find somebody you really believe in. I keep getting them mixed up. Matt Mike, which one's in La Mike Lafleur is an interesting one.

So I'm still kind of where we were last week, which is I'm not opposed to it. I don't think he'd be a bad hire. I'm curious how much more there is to the twenty twenty Cam Newton offense, because yeah, I think they're basically gonna end up running a version. They should run a version of that with Drake may If Josh McDaniels is here, there's obviously the big plus. He's not a flight risk. He's not going anywhere. You have some security, you have some you know you're gonna build continuity with him and Drake may Be. It'd be a fine hire. I'm curious about some of those up and coming guys I said last week, can he find his own? Ben Johnson? I would still kind of poke around, talk to talk to people in that world and see if you find somebody you really believe in. I keep getting them mixed up. Matt Mike, which one's in La Mike Lafleur is an interesting one.

You get that mixed up to two names like Hars either Okay.

You get that mixed up to two names like Hars either Okay.

The other one Mike l is the coordinator.

The other one Mike l is the coordinator.

The other one Mike Reese threw this name out, Dave rang Goon. I think it's the quarterbacks coach in LA. Yeah, something like that past game who worked for Arthur Smith. So there's a bit of a through line there. It was interesting though, when I looked up, So I did this whole thing before Mike Greable got fired, and I posted on Sunday. You can read on ninety eight five the sports on dot Com. It wasn't so much a list of potential offensive coordinators. It's definitely part of it, but it was more. And I was texting you during this, I think you're got annoyed with.

The other one Mike Reese threw this name out, Dave rang Goon. I think it's the quarterbacks coach in LA. Yeah, something like that past game who worked for Arthur Smith. So there's a bit of a through line there. It was interesting though, when I looked up, So I did this whole thing before Mike Greable got fired, and I posted on Sunday. You can read on ninety eight five the sports on dot Com. It wasn't so much a list of potential offensive coordinators. It's definitely part of it, but it was more. And I was texting you during this, I think you're got annoyed with.

Me, Yeah, because you were throwing out random names.

Me, Yeah, because you were throwing out random names.

Well so it was Staley Barrett put everybody on the list, fifty guys.

Well so it was Staley Barrett put everybody on the list, fifty guys.

But this is my point. I was getting so sick of the he's a Patriot guy, he's a Belichick guy. He's not going to go outside the building. It was kind of a gut response to that take. And then will you need a pipeline offensive coordinator? Take to just be like, hey, here's all the offensive coaches he's been connected to. Thirty one names, on there. But when I went through that list, like there's definitely some offensive there's definitely some offense coordinators on there, whether it's Josh McDaniels, whether it's Tim Kelly. I had Tommy Reese on there that's now not happening. But the guys I found that were really interesting were like the guys who are a year or two away from being an offensive coordinator, the guys that need maybe one more job to round out the resume and be an offensive coordinator. Whether that's a guy liked Staley in Cleveland, who I think was a top offensive candiate coordinator candidate at one point and I don't know whatever happened to that. But a guy like Duce Staley, a guy like Luke Steckel, who's his backrouandsitioning. He's coached a bunch of different positions, been a bunch of different places. He's the Raiders tight ends coach last year, right, heller brock Bauers.

But this is my point. I was getting so sick of the he's a Patriot guy, he's a Belichick guy. He's not going to go outside the building. It was kind of a gut response to that take. And then will you need a pipeline offensive coordinator? Take to just be like, hey, here's all the offensive coaches he's been connected to. Thirty one names, on there. But when I went through that list, like there's definitely some offensive there's definitely some offense coordinators on there, whether it's Josh McDaniels, whether it's Tim Kelly. I had Tommy Reese on there that's now not happening. But the guys I found that were really interesting were like the guys who are a year or two away from being an offensive coordinator, the guys that need maybe one more job to round out the resume and be an offensive coordinator. Whether that's a guy liked Staley in Cleveland, who I think was a top offensive candiate coordinator candidate at one point and I don't know whatever happened to that. But a guy like Duce Staley, a guy like Luke Steckel, who's his backrouandsitioning. He's coached a bunch of different positions, been a bunch of different places. He's the Raiders tight ends coach last year, right, heller brock Bauers.

He was in Tennessee at some point, so kept him.

He was in Tennessee at some point, so kept him.

In Tennessee, which he's always telling to me. Coach comes in, looks at the staff, ninety percent of those guys getting blown out. He kept Luke Steckel, So that tells me something. J. T. Barrett was another one. He was on the on the staff of Lions when Barrett was at Ohio State. Right, you want a little day Ben Johnson flavor. J T. Barrett is the assistant quarterbacks coach in Detroit. You bring him in as the quarterbacks coach and maybe kind of get him going. So if you hire a guy like a Lafleur or like one of these up and coming names, when he moves on. Now you have J. T. Barrett, Now you have Luke Steckell. Now you have one of these guys that's ready to become your offensive coordinator. So I'm with you. I think it's McDaniels against the field. If it is McDaniels instead of the pipeline. The next big question is wide receivers coach. Wes Welker is obviously the name that comes to mind. He was teammates with Hines Ward in Pittsburgh before Rabel, before he came here. Hines Ward's now wide receivers coach at Arizona State. They have some they're all underclassmen, so nobody knows them because they're not in the draft here. But they have some up and coming wide receivers. That's a guy'd be interested in bringing in. I don't know how connected he is to Sean Jefferson. That's another name though. If it's if it's McDaniels, I'm looking at wide receivers coach. If it's not, you're looking at that pipeline. But there's some really good pipeline names out there.

In Tennessee, which he's always telling to me. Coach comes in, looks at the staff, ninety percent of those guys getting blown out. He kept Luke Steckel, So that tells me something. J. T. Barrett was another one. He was on the on the staff of Lions when Barrett was at Ohio State. Right, you want a little day Ben Johnson flavor. J T. Barrett is the assistant quarterbacks coach in Detroit. You bring him in as the quarterbacks coach and maybe kind of get him going. So if you hire a guy like a Lafleur or like one of these up and coming names, when he moves on. Now you have J. T. Barrett, Now you have Luke Steckell. Now you have one of these guys that's ready to become your offensive coordinator. So I'm with you. I think it's McDaniels against the field. If it is McDaniels instead of the pipeline. The next big question is wide receivers coach. Wes Welker is obviously the name that comes to mind. He was teammates with Hines Ward in Pittsburgh before Rabel, before he came here. Hines Ward's now wide receivers coach at Arizona State. They have some they're all underclassmen, so nobody knows them because they're not in the draft here. But they have some up and coming wide receivers. That's a guy'd be interested in bringing in. I don't know how connected he is to Sean Jefferson. That's another name though. If it's if it's McDaniels, I'm looking at wide receivers coach. If it's not, you're looking at that pipeline. But there's some really good pipeline names out there.

So my first of all, I'm a huge fan of Josh McDaniels. Yeah, And I don't mean to like put my nose up to people right now, but I can tell a lot of people that are negative on Josh McDaniels don't necessarily think the game through like the lens of a coach, because I can tell you talking to coaches around the league, Josh McDaniels is a mother to go up again.

So my first of all, I'm a huge fan of Josh McDaniels. Yeah, And I don't mean to like put my nose up to people right now, but I can tell a lot of people that are negative on Josh McDaniels don't necessarily think the game through like the lens of a coach, because I can tell you talking to coaches around the league, Josh McDaniels is a mother to go up again.

So I'll say this about Josh McDaniels, and you tell me if I'm off base. There are things he does as an offensive coordinator that bug me certainly. Yeah, I'll take those things though, Like, I'll deal with that, Like his play sequencing gets annoying sometimes obviously the third long shotgun runs, like sometimes he feels a little situationally conservative. I'll deal with that for all the positives he brings versus like most of like some of these stuff other offense coordinators do where they just get too cute with it or this and that. McDaniels isn't perfect, but when you actually step back and look at the big picture, the stuff that it annoys you about him is really not that bad because he compensates for it so significantly in other ways.

So I'll say this about Josh McDaniels, and you tell me if I'm off base. There are things he does as an offensive coordinator that bug me certainly. Yeah, I'll take those things though, Like, I'll deal with that, Like his play sequencing gets annoying sometimes obviously the third long shotgun runs, like sometimes he feels a little situationally conservative. I'll deal with that for all the positives he brings versus like most of like some of these stuff other offense coordinators do where they just get too cute with it or this and that. McDaniels isn't perfect, but when you actually step back and look at the big picture, the stuff that it annoys you about him is really not that bad because he compensates for it so significantly in other ways.

He's an excellent, excellent coordinator. He's not a good head coach. We know that, but we're not hiring, right, those are two different things. I hire him to be the head Guys, we.

He's an excellent, excellent coordinator. He's not a good head coach. We know that, but we're not hiring, right, those are two different things. I hire him to be the head Guys, we.

Discussed last week, we're hiring somebody to be the head coach. He became the head coach. Now you're hiring somebody to be the head coordinator. That person is not going to be the head.

Discussed last week, we're hiring somebody to be the head coach. He became the head coach. Now you're hiring somebody to be the head coordinator. That person is not going to be the head.

Yeah, so he's a really good coordinator.

Yeah, so he's a really good coordinator.

I think the biggest things with McDaniel's his experience is really, I guess just comforting in a way a lot like Rabel's experience is comforting because you're handing this coordinator a twenty two year old franchise potential quarterback, right, and Drake May has all of the bells and whistles to be a great quarterback in this league. But he's not a finished product. He still has a ways to go. He still has to you know, figure out that line to cut down on turnovers and but still be aggressive. Was it aggressive but not reckless?

I think the biggest things with McDaniel's his experience is really, I guess just comforting in a way a lot like Rabel's experience is comforting because you're handing this coordinator a twenty two year old franchise potential quarterback, right, and Drake May has all of the bells and whistles to be a great quarterback in this league. But he's not a finished product. He still has a ways to go. He still has to you know, figure out that line to cut down on turnovers and but still be aggressive. Was it aggressive but not reckless?

Oh my god, he said, you said with the math. That made me feel things when I heard a great How many times have I come on the show, Evan, whether we're talking about Drake may or some other quarterback instead, aggressive but not recons so aggressive?

Oh my god, he said, you said with the math. That made me feel things when I heard a great How many times have I come on the show, Evan, whether we're talking about Drake may or some other quarterback instead, aggressive but not recons so aggressive?

That was a great You know, he still has ways to go in those types of things.

That was a great You know, he still has ways to go in those types of things.

I still think he has a ways to go in certain things mentally too, you know, in terms of reading coverage and uh setting you know, things at the line of scrimmage and all, you know, all things that young quarterbacks have to learn. Like, I'm not saying that Drake is behind or like different than other guys.

I still think he has a ways to go in certain things mentally too, you know, in terms of reading coverage and uh setting you know, things at the line of scrimmage and all, you know, all things that young quarterbacks have to learn. Like, I'm not saying that Drake is behind or like different than other guys.

It's just right.

It's just right.

So there's still ways to go there. So as much as I would be excited about a Josh McCown or excited about bringing back a Nick Keyley, who I think has a great mix of of old and new, right, you know, he can surrun some of the Patriots stuff that they ran for years that was successful, but meld it with the mcveay stuff like, that's obviously extremely intriguing. Clint Kubiak is the name that people have thrown out that is from the Shanahan Gary Kubiak obviously his father. You know, like those guys like they're intriguing guys. Tommy Reese was an intriguing candidate. But all these guys you're handing, you know, Nick Keyley for example, just to use him, Nick Kelly has never coached quarterbacks before. So you're handing a second year quarterback in a big pivotal year of his development to an offensive guy. It's not Matt Patricia, but you're handing him to a guy that's never coached the position.

So there's still ways to go there. So as much as I would be excited about a Josh McCown or excited about bringing back a Nick Keyley, who I think has a great mix of of old and new, right, you know, he can surrun some of the Patriots stuff that they ran for years that was successful, but meld it with the mcveay stuff like, that's obviously extremely intriguing. Clint Kubiak is the name that people have thrown out that is from the Shanahan Gary Kubiak obviously his father. You know, like those guys like they're intriguing guys. Tommy Reese was an intriguing candidate. But all these guys you're handing, you know, Nick Keyley for example, just to use him, Nick Kelly has never coached quarterbacks before. So you're handing a second year quarterback in a big pivotal year of his development to an offensive guy. It's not Matt Patricia, but you're handing him to a guy that's never coached the position.

Now, quarterbacks coach becomes incredibly important. And right that's where I liked Reese, though I wouldn't put Reese quite in that group because he is a quarterback.

Now, quarterbacks coach becomes incredibly important. And right that's where I liked Reese, though I wouldn't put Reese quite in that group because he is a quarterback.

Guy, but he didn't coach.

Guy, but he didn't coach.

He coached quarterbacks in college. He coached tight ends last year for the Brown.

He coached quarterbacks in college. He coached tight ends last year for the Brown.

He is a quarterback back.

He is a quarterback back.

Yeah, and he is a quarterback, you know, yeah, not a good one, but he was a quarter Oh.

Yeah, and he is a quarterback, you know, yeah, not a good one, but he was a quarter Oh.

Look, Jalen Milroe had his best season under Reese And I know some people breaking down on Jalen Millship.

Look, Jalen Milroe had his best season under Reese And I know some people breaking down on Jalen Millship.

As sales, but.

As sales, but.

I just he's thirty two years old, Okay, Like he's a young guy. Josh McDaniels, you don't worry about any of that. Josh McDaniels is called plays in this league for two decades. He's worked with all sorts of quarterbacks that I understand that. You know, he has had varying degrees of success outside of Brady, some of it not so good, but he's worked with a bunch of different qbs. You mentioned the camm Newton offense in twenty twenty. Do I want Drake running like Cam Newton? No, because that Cam Newton's a different type of athlete, right, he's six six, two d and fifty.

I just he's thirty two years old, Okay, Like he's a young guy. Josh McDaniels, you don't worry about any of that. Josh McDaniels is called plays in this league for two decades. He's worked with all sorts of quarterbacks that I understand that. You know, he has had varying degrees of success outside of Brady, some of it not so good, but he's worked with a bunch of different qbs. You mentioned the camm Newton offense in twenty twenty. Do I want Drake running like Cam Newton? No, because that Cam Newton's a different type of athlete, right, he's six six, two d and fifty.

Yeah, Like it's a different type of dude. So you're not going to be ramming Drake.

Yeah, Like it's a different type of dude. So you're not going to be ramming Drake.

May into the line of scrimmage on the goal line like you were with Cam Newton.

May into the line of scrimmage on the goal line like you were with Cam Newton.

Could you use Joe Milton as a package player and May stop part of the offense, But no, I'm dead serious, Like that's something Josh would do too. Maybe can you have a Joe Milton package where you put him in there? And they go in that full house formation they had with Cam and when you're on the goal lineer, it's third and one and you run that stuff like Josh would do that. That to me seems like something Josh would do that. I don't know that some of these other guys would do. They get cute and put like the right tackle back there or something. So no like that. It's it's good to bring up because there is some relevance there.

Could you use Joe Milton as a package player and May stop part of the offense, But no, I'm dead serious, Like that's something Josh would do too. Maybe can you have a Joe Milton package where you put him in there? And they go in that full house formation they had with Cam and when you're on the goal lineer, it's third and one and you run that stuff like Josh would do that. That to me seems like something Josh would do that. I don't know that some of these other guys would do. They get cute and put like the right tackle back there or something. So no like that. It's it's good to bring up because there is some relevance there.

So my point being with McDaniels, if you're somebody that's like, oh, his offense is archaic, you know, it's his Stone age offense, and is he gonna be able to do some of the things that these new offensive coordinators like I heard Dan Rolovsky talking about, you know, the new age RPOs, the four by ones, like all that kind of stuff.

So my point being with McDaniels, if you're somebody that's like, oh, his offense is archaic, you know, it's his Stone age offense, and is he gonna be able to do some of the things that these new offensive coordinators like I heard Dan Rolovsky talking about, you know, the new age RPOs, the four by ones, like all that kind of stuff.

I would urge you to go watch.

I would urge you to go watch.

The twenty twenty Patriots, and I understand the twenty twenty Patriots fell apart and their offense wasn't great in terms of.

The twenty twenty Patriots, and I understand the twenty twenty Patriots fell apart and their offense wasn't great in terms of.

The production much as anything else.

The production much as anything else.

But he had Cam Newton who couldn't throw anymore, and he had demere Bird as his top outside receiver.

But he had Cam Newton who couldn't throw anymore, and he had demere Bird as his top outside receiver.

He did not have a ton of.

He did not have a ton of.

Talent, was Ryan Is the top tight end. Ryan Is was the top tight end. Like they didn't have a ton of talent on that team. And the number one thing that I would point to, they were eighth in the league and rushing the football that year. They were a top ten rushing offense in twenty twenty with Cam Newton. So that shows me that he has the chops and he has it in his rolodecks on his menu. To be able to run design quarterback run, to be able to run RPO, to be able to run different gun variations. That all we're really talking about is making yourself more efficient in the gun because a lot of these young quarterbacks don't want to play from under center. So in order to make more out of the gun, you have to be more scheme diverse. You can't just have him drop back pass from the gun all the time like he's Tom Brady.

Talent, was Ryan Is the top tight end. Ryan Is was the top tight end. Like they didn't have a ton of talent on that team. And the number one thing that I would point to, they were eighth in the league and rushing the football that year. They were a top ten rushing offense in twenty twenty with Cam Newton. So that shows me that he has the chops and he has it in his rolodecks on his menu. To be able to run design quarterback run, to be able to run RPO, to be able to run different gun variations. That all we're really talking about is making yourself more efficient in the gun because a lot of these young quarterbacks don't want to play from under center. So in order to make more out of the gun, you have to be more scheme diverse. You can't just have him drop back pass from the gun all the time like he's Tom Brady.

It's not gonna work.

It's not gonna work.

So you have to add in things like window dressing, like motion, like read option, like RPO, all these different bells and whistles that teams use with Josh Allen, Jaden Daniels, you know, go on, Lamar Jackson, Like that's how you make it easier for the quarterback, So he's not Brady coming to the line of scrimmage looking at the defense, checking the play, making a perfect throw. Like, we don't have to do all that stuff because we have all this other scheme related we're weaponizing the scheme with all this other stuff. And I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that McDaniels doesn't have the ability to do that, but he just hasn't had the quarterback to do it with other than Cam. Right, you're not going to move the pocket with Tom Brady, no, right, Like you're not going to run a lot of boots and a lot of movement plays when you have Tom Brady as your quarterback. And this isn't a knock on Brady because he did a million other things amazing, right, but it just wasn't a stylistically different right, So I was, you know, just with McDaniels, he hasn't necessarily had a quarterback that has the skill set of Drake May that has that kind of tools. If you wanted to like put together the quarterbacks that he worked with, it was like Cam Newton's legs with you know, like you know, a good arm talent quarterback from the pocket. Then like maybe you could do it that way, but he's never had the complete package in terms of what everything is on the menu. Now, you know, you can run him, he can throw the ball, you can move him out of the pocket, like you can do anything you really want to do. And I watch a lot of the twenty twenty McDaniel's offense over the last couple of days with Cam. I saw a little bit of the Raiders offense. There's more of that stuff in his playbook that you just didn't call because it wasn't what you were ordering off the menu. With the quarterbacks he was working with, then maybe meets the eye, so as you can tell by all, like I would hire Josh McDaniels for this position. I just I really feel comfortable with McDaniels. You mentioned some of his awards, Like he's not perfect. I don't think that he's the most you know, motion heavy coordinator. You know, he runs a little bit more of a stagnant offense at least what he did you know with the Patriots and with the Raiders recently. But the one thing that really stands out to me is he's got that ability to take the twenty two to Cam Newton offense. Yeah, twenty twenty Cam Newton offense with like the rookie year Mac Jones and like a little bit of what he did in Vegas in twenty two and put those two things together. So now you have the drop back pass game of a Mac Jones of a Derek Carr with the run game of a Cam Newton, and that's really intrigued. Like that, If that's the way that they go, that's really intriguing. And you're giving your young quarterback to an experienced guy who were not worried about he's never called plays before, he's never worked with quarterbacks before, he's never coordinated in an offense before. We're not worried about any of those things. Like last year it was always Alex Van Pelts never called plays, So we're worried about that, right, we're worried about that sort of thing. If you hired a Josh McCown type pants guy, it's exciting. He's the new guy, right, he's a guy in town. He's never coordinated an offense before. So we don't know. We don't know how much of that offense is Kevin O'Connell. Probably a lot of it.