Sienna Miller and Laura Henshaw are presenting two very different versions of new motherhood in our feeds — so why is the internet upset with both of them? Monique Bowley, Amelia Lester and Stacey Hicks dive into the unrealistic expectations on new mums and how there might be no right answer.

Also, Mandy Moore has officially entered the chat over Ashley Tisdale’s viral ‘toxic’ mum group essay back in January, and suddnely it feels like we're back in high school.

Plus, Japan's late-night ‘crying cafes’ offer the ultimate sanctuary for exhausted mothers, and it’s made us think about the other midnight hotlines we absolutely need right now.

And, a grandmother's dilemma goes viral after she joins her grandchildren's PTA without asking. We unpack the unwritten rules of family boundaries and why tension is the price we pay for a village.

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Amelia recommends Evil Witches,an irreverent email newsletter that perfectly captures the reality of family holidays.

MonzislovingUnleashed, a hilarious podcast delivering an honest truth bomb about long weekends after divorce.

Stacey recommendsOff Campuson Amazon Prime, a hot and deliciously cliché college hockey romance.

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The School Holiday Rule & The Big Bluey Stuff Up
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The 3-Hour Mum & The Viral 'Jessica' Hack
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What to read: 
'I joined a mother’s group for parenting tips. What I found was something darker.'
The Ashley Tisdale and Hilary Duff mum group fallout, explained from the very start.
HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: 'This is what 43 looks like now: 23 and pregnant.'

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CREDITS:

Hosts: Monique Bowley, Amelia Lester & Clare Stephens

Acting Group Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock

Content Manager: Talissa Bazaz

Video Editor: Julian Rosario

Assistant Producer: Tessa Kotowicz

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Sienna Miller and Laura Henshaw are presenting two very different versions of new motherhood in our feeds &mdash; so why is the internet upset with both of them? Monique Bowley, Amelia Lester and Stacey Hicks dive into the unrealistic expectations on new mums and how there might be no right answer.
Also, Mandy Moore has officially entered the chat over Ashley Tisdale&rsquo;s viral &lsquo;toxic&rsquo; mum group essay back in January, and suddnely it feels like we're back in high school.
Plus, Japan's late-night &lsquo;crying cafes&rsquo; offer the ultimate sanctuary for exhausted mothers, and it&rsquo;s made us think about the other midnight hotlines we absolutely need right now.
And, a grandmother's dilemma goes viral after she joins her grandchildren's PTA without asking. We unpack the unwritten rules of family boundaries and why tension is the price we pay for a village.
New Mamamia subscribers get $40 off &mdash; $20 off an annual membership and $20 off your TWOOBS order.<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/twoobs-discount-code/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=discounts&amp;utm_content=twoobs-ron"> Click here to subscribe</a>.
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Amelia recommends <a href="https://www.evilwitches.com/">Evil Witches,</a> an irreverent email newsletter that perfectly captures the reality of family holidays.
Monz is loving <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/unleashedshow/">Unleashed</a>, a hilarious podcast delivering an honest truth bomb about long weekends after divorce.
<a href="https://iview.abc.net.au/show/bad-company"></a>Stacey&nbsp;recommends <a href="https://www.primevideo.com/detail/0I4OWKAPLUWIO5013W3F3ZN952/ref=atv_hm_hom_c_ywRzEs_awns_2_2?jic=8%7CEgRzdm9k">Off Campus</a> on Amazon Prime, a hot and deliciously clich&eacute; college hockey romance.
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What To Listen To Next:&nbsp;
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<li aria-level="1">Don't miss an episode of&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/parenting-out-loud/">Parenting Out Loud</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/parenting-out-loud/paige-hadley-parenting-return-to-work/">Signs You&rsquo;re A Beta Mum &amp; How To &lsquo;Bounce Back&rsquo;</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/parenting-out-loud/what-happened-to-bluey-abc-bbc/">The School Holiday Rule &amp; The Big Bluey Stuff Up</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/parenting-out-loud/messy-family-truth/">The Holiday Decision One Mum Regrets &amp; Party Bags Are Officially Cancelled</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/parenting-out-loud/what-is-a-popcorn-mum/">So, Are You A Popcorn Mum?</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/parenting-out-loud/what-is-the-lunchbox-theory/">The Lunchbox Theory &amp; Our Complicated Feelings About YouTube</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/parenting-out-loud/kardashian-emma-grede-max-3-hour-mum/">The 3-Hour Mum &amp; The Viral 'Jessica' Hack</a><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/parenting-out-loud/chris-pratt-golden-retriever-husband/"></a></li>
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What to read:&nbsp;
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<li><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/what-to-expect-in-online-mothers-group/">'I joined a mother&rsquo;s group for parenting tips. What I found was something darker.'</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/ashley-tisdale-mum-group/">The Ashley Tisdale and Hilary Duff mum group fallout, explained from the very start.</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/sienna-miller-pregnant-at-43/">HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: 'This is what 43 looks like now: 23 and pregnant.'</a></li>
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Share your feedback!&nbsp;<a href="https://help.mamamia.com.au/en-US/send-a-podcast-voice-note-467960">Send us a voice message</a>&nbsp;or email us at podcast@mamamia.com.au&nbsp;
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Follow us on Instagram<a href="https://www.instagram.com/mamamia_family/?hl=en">&nbsp;@mamamia_family</a>
CREDITS:
Hosts: Monique Bowley, Amelia Lester &amp; Clare Stephens
Acting Group Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock
Content Manager: Talissa Bazaz
Video Editor: Julian Rosario
Assistant Producer: Tessa Kotowicz
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.

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