Destruction can be part of the building process; it certainly is a key part of Elon Musk’s approach to business and his new - legally ambiguous - role with DOGE. There is, however, a fine line between disruption and destruction. The tech mantra of “move fast and break things” can be dangerous, particularly when applied to the government. On today’s show, Sarah and Beth explore this idea and how the new Trump administration is letting Musk run full steam ahead.

Plus, they discuss the Trump administration’s approach to foreign policy, most notably marked this week by Ukraine’s exclusion from the negotiating table with Russia. Outside of politics, Beth shares her new hack for managing her online shopping.

Topics Discussed


Ukraine Excluded from Negotiations


Is Elon Musk Building or Destroying Through DOGE?


Outside of Politics: Online Shopping Strategies

Visit our Substack page for complete show notes and episode resources.

Destruction can be part of the building process; it certainly is a key part of Elon Musk&rsquo;s approach to business and his new - legally ambiguous - role with DOGE. There is, however, a fine line between disruption and destruction. The tech mantra of &ldquo;move fast and break things&rdquo; can be dangerous, particularly when applied to the government. On today&rsquo;s show, Sarah and Beth explore this idea and how the new Trump administration is letting Musk run full steam ahead.
Plus, they discuss the Trump administration&rsquo;s approach to foreign policy, most notably marked this week by Ukraine&rsquo;s exclusion from the negotiating table with Russia. Outside of politics, Beth shares her new hack for managing her online shopping.
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Ukraine Excluded from Negotiations
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Is Elon Musk Building or Destroying Through DOGE?
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Outside of Politics: Online Shopping Strategies
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Visit <a href="https://pantsuitpolitics.substack.com/s/podcast">our Substack page</a> for complete show notes and episode resources.

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Hosted by Kentuckians Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers, Pantsuit Politics is an independent podcast that takes a different approach to the news and culture. Pay attention without the anxiety. New episodes every Tuesday and Friday.

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"Compelling and thoughtful listening" - the New York Times
Hosted by Kentuckians Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers, Pantsuit Politics is an independent podcast that takes a different approach to the news and culture. Pay attention without the anxiety. New episodes every Tuesday and Friday.
Sales and Distribution by Lemonada Media <a href="https://lemonadamedia.com/" data-stringify-link="https://lemonadamedia.com/" data-sk="tooltip_parent">https://lemonadamedia.com/</a>

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