As our team takes time off for the holidays, we are sharing the conversations Sarah and Beth had this year about Habits of the Heart. This third episode originally aired in September for our premium members on Substack.

Whether you’re also taking a well-deserved break, spending time with family, or just looking for something meaningful to listen to, we hope you’ll join us to revisit (or enjoy for the first time!) this thoughtful exploration from Sarah and Beth of this powerful, prescient book.

In this episode, they get into the different types of citizens laid out in the book, Beth’s dreaded “swooping,” the role of religion in public life, and what it truly means to care.

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