Leisha and Kate join Debbie Millman on Design Matters to discuss queer representation, their creative collaborations, and navigating the business of show business.

Design Matters is one of the first and longest running podcasts in the world. Hosted by designer, writer, educator, and artist Debbie Millman, the show centers on how the world’s most incredibly creative people—designers, writers, artists, musicians, educators, scientists, philosophers, athletes and performers—design the trajectory of their lives.