To kick off the new year Kate and Leisha talk with friend of the pod, Arlan Hamilton about her life, work, financial independence, and new book -"Your First Million."

PANTS with Kate Moennig and Leisha Hailey is produced and edited by Arwen Nicks, and mixed by Valentino Rivera.

Follow us on Instagram @ThePantsPod or send us an email at kateandleisha@gmail.com. Our music is by Carol Parra @csssuxxx and our artwork is by Lovefoxxx.