On two GB for BC and network stations. This is Wake Up Australia with Mike Jeffries.

On two GB for BC and network stations. This is Wake Up Australia with Mike Jeffries.

Good morning, Welcome along.

Good morning, Welcome along.

If you just joined us, Welcome to the program, Welcome to today.

If you just joined us, Welcome to the program, Welcome to today.

Earlier in the morning we were talking about AI. Then we got on to AI companionship and robots and that kind of thing. So I played a song from way back by Connie Francis called Robert Man. So here's a couple of memories of Connie Francis, one cheerful, one tragic.

Earlier in the morning we were talking about AI. Then we got on to AI companionship and robots and that kind of thing. So I played a song from way back by Connie Francis called Robert Man. So here's a couple of memories of Connie Francis, one cheerful, one tragic.

John mcc from Cabareta says, good morning, Mike. I managed to make it to eighty three. Back in February as a teenager, had the pleasure of seeing Connie Francis perform on the revolving stage at the old Tin Shed at Rushcutter's Bay. John says, I can't remember who else was on that program, but it's down in the garage somewhere.

John mcc from Cabareta says, good morning, Mike. I managed to make it to eighty three. Back in February as a teenager, had the pleasure of seeing Connie Francis perform on the revolving stage at the old Tin Shed at Rushcutter's Bay. John says, I can't remember who else was on that program, but it's down in the garage somewhere.

Yes, Well, we've all got.

Yes, Well, we've all got.

Those sort of memories of the program sheet whatever it is. John says, what I do remember was a great night with excellent supporting groups. Now Connie was doing really well, but then she ended up being treated for depression and among other things, she said she was misdiagnosed, and they gave it the wrong treatment since she ended up as a zombie, she said, But Maria points out Connie Francis was raped in a hotel room on November eight, nineteen seventy four, after performing at Westbury Music Fair in New York. The assailant entered her room through a faulty sliding glass door, righted or at knife point, beat her, tied it to a chair. He then overturned the chair and piled two mattresses on top of her before fleeing. Francis managed to free herself and call for help. The trauma from the assault had a profound impact on her life and career. She suffered from severe depression, withdrew from public life, and did not perform again for several years. Francis sued the motel chain for failing to provide adequate security, and was awarded a two and a half million dollar judgment, one of the largest such settlements. Thanks for that, Maria, That's where the text runs out. I don't know if you had a lot more to say after that, but that's as far as the text will allow.

Those sort of memories of the program sheet whatever it is. John says, what I do remember was a great night with excellent supporting groups. Now Connie was doing really well, but then she ended up being treated for depression and among other things, she said she was misdiagnosed, and they gave it the wrong treatment since she ended up as a zombie, she said, But Maria points out Connie Francis was raped in a hotel room on November eight, nineteen seventy four, after performing at Westbury Music Fair in New York. The assailant entered her room through a faulty sliding glass door, righted or at knife point, beat her, tied it to a chair. He then overturned the chair and piled two mattresses on top of her before fleeing. Francis managed to free herself and call for help. The trauma from the assault had a profound impact on her life and career. She suffered from severe depression, withdrew from public life, and did not perform again for several years. Francis sued the motel chain for failing to provide adequate security, and was awarded a two and a half million dollar judgment, one of the largest such settlements. Thanks for that, Maria, That's where the text runs out. I don't know if you had a lot more to say after that, but that's as far as the text will allow.

Wayne say.

Wayne say.

It's nice surprises you being on this morning Mike. Had I know, I would have tuned in earlier. I take it you're on all week, No, just for today. Phil's taking the day off for personal reasons. The plan is for him to be back tomorrow and I plan to be back on Monday. You know, the usual thing that I've been doing there for a while. We're talking about eggs before six eggs in a cup every day and drink. There's a comment here from j J. I thought i'd read to you if I can find it about the whole egg. I don't mind this one. I was talking about the prairie oyster, which I've never tried it, although I believe you know people here have done similar, but you see them in Western movies. So it's a raw egg in a glass full of whiskey or whatever. Jeff from Laidley in Queensland says, I lived in albert To, Canada for many years. In a prairie oyster was commonly known as a fried bull testicular. A local delicacy. Yeah, okay, a local delicacy. Yes, sounds lovely, but then you've got to be careful, got to be careful about the salmonella. Although maybe the whiskey kills the salmonella. I don't know. We were also talking about, you know, eggs were bad, eggs are good. I said to you Ross one day a couple of years ago. Dr Ross, I said, I can't help but notice in your business, so you change your mind at least ten every ten years. You said, oh, yes, yes see.

It's nice surprises you being on this morning Mike. Had I know, I would have tuned in earlier. I take it you're on all week, No, just for today. Phil's taking the day off for personal reasons. The plan is for him to be back tomorrow and I plan to be back on Monday. You know, the usual thing that I've been doing there for a while. We're talking about eggs before six eggs in a cup every day and drink. There's a comment here from j J. I thought i'd read to you if I can find it about the whole egg. I don't mind this one. I was talking about the prairie oyster, which I've never tried it, although I believe you know people here have done similar, but you see them in Western movies. So it's a raw egg in a glass full of whiskey or whatever. Jeff from Laidley in Queensland says, I lived in albert To, Canada for many years. In a prairie oyster was commonly known as a fried bull testicular. A local delicacy. Yeah, okay, a local delicacy. Yes, sounds lovely, but then you've got to be careful, got to be careful about the salmonella. Although maybe the whiskey kills the salmonella. I don't know. We were also talking about, you know, eggs were bad, eggs are good. I said to you Ross one day a couple of years ago. Dr Ross, I said, I can't help but notice in your business, so you change your mind at least ten every ten years. You said, oh, yes, yes see.

It was quite on board with all that.

It was quite on board with all that.

What's on the front pages this morning is a story here. It's not the biggest story on the Herald Sun. But I just mentioned it because we were talking about it on the program a couple of weeks ago. Jealousy is the norm. If you recall we were talking about young people, those young folks keeping track of each other all the time with the mobile phones and the story. He says, it's an exclusive. Almost a third of young people believe it's normal to be jealous in a relationship, feeling they have a quote unquote right to know where their partner is most of the time. New research has found this. The survey reveals more than half as struggling to understand consent, and this includes them believing that quote, if a guy wants to have sex with a girl, it's up to the girl to make it. Very clear she doesn't want to unquote. But the body of the Herald Sun front page taken up a picture of Erin talking about her inner turmoil. Erin Patterson, who has laid bare a never ending battle, a low self esteem. And I wouldn't dare comment on this because only a judge can decide the truth of what's being presented to him here. But they say the traumatic birth of her first child, her conversion from fundamental atheist fundamental atheist to Christian and the disintegration of her marriage to husband Simon. In a stunning testimony, the fifty year old on trial for murdering three family members and attempting to kill a fourth by serving a poison lunch, took the stand for the first time yesterday afternoon, and there's a picture of her there on the front page. Now, if you are looking at the Finn Review, Stave Vesters, the homeowners living with the Olds, Yeah, that's very much for our times, is it not? The homeowners living with the Olds, And they're talking about greens Cox jumps.

What's on the front pages this morning is a story here. It's not the biggest story on the Herald Sun. But I just mentioned it because we were talking about it on the program a couple of weeks ago. Jealousy is the norm. If you recall we were talking about young people, those young folks keeping track of each other all the time with the mobile phones and the story. He says, it's an exclusive. Almost a third of young people believe it's normal to be jealous in a relationship, feeling they have a quote unquote right to know where their partner is most of the time. New research has found this. The survey reveals more than half as struggling to understand consent, and this includes them believing that quote, if a guy wants to have sex with a girl, it's up to the girl to make it. Very clear she doesn't want to unquote. But the body of the Herald Sun front page taken up a picture of Erin talking about her inner turmoil. Erin Patterson, who has laid bare a never ending battle, a low self esteem. And I wouldn't dare comment on this because only a judge can decide the truth of what's being presented to him here. But they say the traumatic birth of her first child, her conversion from fundamental atheist fundamental atheist to Christian and the disintegration of her marriage to husband Simon. In a stunning testimony, the fifty year old on trial for murdering three family members and attempting to kill a fourth by serving a poison lunch, took the stand for the first time yesterday afternoon, and there's a picture of her there on the front page. Now, if you are looking at the Finn Review, Stave Vesters, the homeowners living with the Olds, Yeah, that's very much for our times, is it not? The homeowners living with the Olds, And they're talking about greens Cox jumps.

Ship to law.

Ship to law.

But we did have some discussion about that. Really, is this never going to be addressed? I mean, you get elected on a party ticket and then say, oh, I don't be that anymore. But I want to stay here and enjoy whatever power and influence I have, plus the money and the perks. I just think that ain't right. But anyway, it's the latest example and nothing much seems to be done about it. And we were talking about AI airs back Union say in AI policies, and I really do think AI is going to make a difference. In fact, after this we'll discuss exactly that. A. I what's it going to do to us? During the week, I've read that it's going to take lots of jobs sooner than we think, and another piece that said it's definitely going to kill us. So not just take our jobs, but kill us. To comment further on this author who focuses on the impact of technology, it's Mark Roader. Good morning, Mark, thanks for doing this.

But we did have some discussion about that. Really, is this never going to be addressed? I mean, you get elected on a party ticket and then say, oh, I don't be that anymore. But I want to stay here and enjoy whatever power and influence I have, plus the money and the perks. I just think that ain't right. But anyway, it's the latest example and nothing much seems to be done about it. And we were talking about AI airs back Union say in AI policies, and I really do think AI is going to make a difference. In fact, after this we'll discuss exactly that. A. I what's it going to do to us? During the week, I've read that it's going to take lots of jobs sooner than we think, and another piece that said it's definitely going to kill us. So not just take our jobs, but kill us. To comment further on this author who focuses on the impact of technology, it's Mark Roader. Good morning, Mark, thanks for doing this.

Good money. Mike.

Good money. Mike.

So I've read.

So I've read.

Something about it's going to take five thousand jobs in the next few years, but you're of the view that AI is going to take a lot more than that. I'm just talking about Australia, not the world.

Something about it's going to take five thousand jobs in the next few years, but you're of the view that AI is going to take a lot more than that. I'm just talking about Australia, not the world.

Yes, I believe it could be as much as ten to twenty percent of the workforce in the next five years or earlier. And I think that's the same globally. I mean, it's not just like college jobs. But when AI gets embedded into robots, which is going to happen quite soon, with very dexterous hands, it's going to be able to do a lot of manual jobs as well.

Yes, I believe it could be as much as ten to twenty percent of the workforce in the next five years or earlier. And I think that's the same globally. I mean, it's not just like college jobs. But when AI gets embedded into robots, which is going to happen quite soon, with very dexterous hands, it's going to be able to do a lot of manual jobs as well.

So what are we going to do with all these people we don't need to work anymore? What are they going to do?

So what are we going to do with all these people we don't need to work anymore? What are they going to do?

Well?

Well?

Look, it's going to present a fundamental challenge to what we'd call the social contract, which is basically, you know, for hundreds of years, you do a fair day's work and you get a fair day's pay. A lot of our human dignity has come from work. When you enter a world where a lot of the work, maybe the majority eventually is going to be done by AI and robots, it requires a whole new way of restructuring society. Because obviously, at the moment, all the big tech heads saying, oh, yes, we need to do this, this is going to increase productivity, But there's no point in having increased productivity if there's nobody who can afford to buy the extra products that are made. Because so many people will be able to work, so there's going to be a new social contract come hither or of either, I think.

Look, it's going to present a fundamental challenge to what we'd call the social contract, which is basically, you know, for hundreds of years, you do a fair day's work and you get a fair day's pay. A lot of our human dignity has come from work. When you enter a world where a lot of the work, maybe the majority eventually is going to be done by AI and robots, it requires a whole new way of restructuring society. Because obviously, at the moment, all the big tech heads saying, oh, yes, we need to do this, this is going to increase productivity, But there's no point in having increased productivity if there's nobody who can afford to buy the extra products that are made. Because so many people will be able to work, so there's going to be a new social contract come hither or of either, I think.

Just as a sidelight. Well, ultimately not. I guess it's going to use an awful lot of electricity AI, is it not?

Just as a sidelight. Well, ultimately not. I guess it's going to use an awful lot of electricity AI, is it not?

It is at the moment to power one of these big centers. It's the equivalent of powering a very large city. There's a bit of a debate though. You know, technology over time becomes two things become smaller and it becomes more efficient in terms of its users to power. So hopefully AI will require will become more efficient and require less power, But at the moment, it's gobbling up everything that we produce.

It is at the moment to power one of these big centers. It's the equivalent of powering a very large city. There's a bit of a debate though. You know, technology over time becomes two things become smaller and it becomes more efficient in terms of its users to power. So hopefully AI will require will become more efficient and require less power, But at the moment, it's gobbling up everything that we produce.

When it comes to wanting to kill us, as I understand it from a conversation you and I have had off the radio, it doesn't necessarily AI want to kill us, but we may get in its way.

When it comes to wanting to kill us, as I understand it from a conversation you and I have had off the radio, it doesn't necessarily AI want to kill us, but we may get in its way.

Is that right?

Is that right?

Yeah, that's right. Look A few people have pointed this out, including one of the great pioneers of AI, which who is Jeff Hinton, who created the neural net in the late nineteen eighties that led to the modern AI we know today, including chat, GPT and all the other ones. His view is that, you know, AI probably won't decide unless it becomes sensient. Of course, it won't decide it needs to extinguish all human beings, but rather it will be in pursuit of a goal. Like it might have a goal in its mind, and it will come to the conclusion that, well, what are the obstacles preventing me from achieving this goal? And it might quickly conclude that, oh, humans could stand the way because they could unplug me, and therefore it might side as a sub goal to eradicate us. That's extreme, of course, but there's a certain logic to that.

Yeah, that's right. Look A few people have pointed this out, including one of the great pioneers of AI, which who is Jeff Hinton, who created the neural net in the late nineteen eighties that led to the modern AI we know today, including chat, GPT and all the other ones. His view is that, you know, AI probably won't decide unless it becomes sensient. Of course, it won't decide it needs to extinguish all human beings, but rather it will be in pursuit of a goal. Like it might have a goal in its mind, and it will come to the conclusion that, well, what are the obstacles preventing me from achieving this goal? And it might quickly conclude that, oh, humans could stand the way because they could unplug me, and therefore it might side as a sub goal to eradicate us. That's extreme, of course, but there's a certain logic to that.

Well, that was the proposal in two thousand and one a Space Odyssey, wasn't it where the computer felt that the project was too important to abandon and it took priority over the human beings. So that's seen as a possibility. I was reading piece in New Scientists, and it was talking about the actual physical properties needed to destroy human beings, but it didn't really address the issue of whether or not a I would find as obstacles and decide.

Well, that was the proposal in two thousand and one a Space Odyssey, wasn't it where the computer felt that the project was too important to abandon and it took priority over the human beings. So that's seen as a possibility. I was reading piece in New Scientists, and it was talking about the actual physical properties needed to destroy human beings, but it didn't really address the issue of whether or not a I would find as obstacles and decide.

That we have to be removed.

That we have to be removed.

But that is I mean, if we follow the two thousand and one Space Odyssey thinking, which seems to be the current thinking now, that the AI might decide we're an obstacle, then we have to be gotten rid of.

But that is I mean, if we follow the two thousand and one Space Odyssey thinking, which seems to be the current thinking now, that the AI might decide we're an obstacle, then we have to be gotten rid of.

Well, yeah, that's sorry. It might operate much more subtly than that. There's one for writer you would probably heard of. Ive Al Noah Harari, who wrote books like Sapiens, is a philosopher and he focuses on technology. He thinks that AI is more likely to affect us by nudging us very subtly through social media, because it will become so clever. It could create, if it want to do, all sorts of social chaos and sort of cause all sorts of inter nacine warfare, and we wouldn't even know it. It could just go about systematically destabilizing our social institutions because it has just become so clever and nuanced in the way it operates. That's probably a bigger threat. So I wouldn't actually need to launch nuclear missiles or something. It could actually just cause such social decay that our civilization sort of ends. Anyway, that's a big problem.

Well, yeah, that's sorry. It might operate much more subtly than that. There's one for writer you would probably heard of. Ive Al Noah Harari, who wrote books like Sapiens, is a philosopher and he focuses on technology. He thinks that AI is more likely to affect us by nudging us very subtly through social media, because it will become so clever. It could create, if it want to do, all sorts of social chaos and sort of cause all sorts of inter nacine warfare, and we wouldn't even know it. It could just go about systematically destabilizing our social institutions because it has just become so clever and nuanced in the way it operates. That's probably a bigger threat. So I wouldn't actually need to launch nuclear missiles or something. It could actually just cause such social decay that our civilization sort of ends. Anyway, that's a big problem.

I read a piece the other day, and to my mind, this was an artificial construct. But the AI was given information that an engineer was going to shut it down. But it was also given information that the engineer was having in fairnons to his wife, and somehow the concept of blackmail. So the AI then threatened to blackmail the engineer if he dared to turn it off. Do you think that's realistic or is that just somebody playing.

I read a piece the other day, and to my mind, this was an artificial construct. But the AI was given information that an engineer was going to shut it down. But it was also given information that the engineer was having in fairnons to his wife, and somehow the concept of blackmail. So the AI then threatened to blackmail the engineer if he dared to turn it off. Do you think that's realistic or is that just somebody playing.

No, it's very realistic, because AIS are really good at game playing, you know, not just chess or go. They because they've read, basically, or in the process of reading, everything we've written, including all the plays and the books and all the scandals, they have a pretty good understanding of human nature and also the nature of deceit. And they also probably have picked up through all that reading that oh my goodness, if I want to get ahead in life, I need to veil my true intentions. So and I need to exert maximum leverage over people, blackmail being one, and this program it was only in a test situation a few weeks ago, but if released into the real world, it shows in principle that it is capable of blackmailing somebody, which is very disturbing.

No, it's very realistic, because AIS are really good at game playing, you know, not just chess or go. They because they've read, basically, or in the process of reading, everything we've written, including all the plays and the books and all the scandals, they have a pretty good understanding of human nature and also the nature of deceit. And they also probably have picked up through all that reading that oh my goodness, if I want to get ahead in life, I need to veil my true intentions. So and I need to exert maximum leverage over people, blackmail being one, and this program it was only in a test situation a few weeks ago, but if released into the real world, it shows in principle that it is capable of blackmailing somebody, which is very disturbing.

So to AI, it's just another tool to gain what it wants.

So to AI, it's just another tool to gain what it wants.

Yeah, that's exactly right. There's no emotion involved, but it would see this is a mechanism that works very well with human beings to get them to do things that I want by revealing certain information that they don't want out there, and because they would have seen it written so many sort of books and seen in films as well. I mean, it's interesting how AI is sort of split at the moment into what call the doomers or the evangelists and the AI accelerationists. And the doomers of course they think it's all very, very scary and this only amount of time before AI starts to really work against us. And on the other side, you've got the accelerationists who are saying, look, let's just go full steam ahead and let's just hope fingers crossed that it's all going to turn out fine because they have this sort of rather candid, optimistic view of the world. You know, accelerationists include people like I would say Elon Musk and Sam Alton because they've got investment interest in it all. This impedter diamentis business person. But even those people, even the accelerationists, they still every now and then express concerns about it because they do recognize there's a danger, even though they downplay it.

Yeah, that's exactly right. There's no emotion involved, but it would see this is a mechanism that works very well with human beings to get them to do things that I want by revealing certain information that they don't want out there, and because they would have seen it written so many sort of books and seen in films as well. I mean, it's interesting how AI is sort of split at the moment into what call the doomers or the evangelists and the AI accelerationists. And the doomers of course they think it's all very, very scary and this only amount of time before AI starts to really work against us. And on the other side, you've got the accelerationists who are saying, look, let's just go full steam ahead and let's just hope fingers crossed that it's all going to turn out fine because they have this sort of rather candid, optimistic view of the world. You know, accelerationists include people like I would say Elon Musk and Sam Alton because they've got investment interest in it all. This impedter diamentis business person. But even those people, even the accelerationists, they still every now and then express concerns about it because they do recognize there's a danger, even though they downplay it.

Yes, when I see this, I just wonder because throughout the centuries, a large chunk of the human population has always talked about the apocalypse whatever it is, you know, we're going to be punished for our sins or more recently, anthropogenic climate change, although that seems to be fading a bit, and AI seems to be getting the publicity now about the next end of civilization and human beings as we know it. But talking to you, it seems like it's more of a possibility, not because AI wants to get us, they don't want to necessarily kill us, but we might just be collateral damage on the way to what IT wants to achieve.

Yes, when I see this, I just wonder because throughout the centuries, a large chunk of the human population has always talked about the apocalypse whatever it is, you know, we're going to be punished for our sins or more recently, anthropogenic climate change, although that seems to be fading a bit, and AI seems to be getting the publicity now about the next end of civilization and human beings as we know it. But talking to you, it seems like it's more of a possibility, not because AI wants to get us, they don't want to necessarily kill us, but we might just be collateral damage on the way to what IT wants to achieve.

Something like that. I think that that would That's right, Mike. You know, there's a There are so many different perspectives on this, which is fascinating in itself. There's one, the really long term perspective, probably the scariest one really for our species, Homo sapiens, is that everything humans have been till now is just a prelude to what comes after the next type of species. So in effect, we are sort of creating a AI as a digital Christliss that's going to produce this super intelligence that eventually will transcend you know humans. You know, that's the real danger. I mean, as getting back to u val heros. There's never never summon a power that you can't control, and you know we won't be able to. It's very likely we won't be able to control AI eventually because it's just too it's just becoming too smart. I mean, the smartest human alive is probably about to an IQ of two hundred and twenty maybe, but you know, these superintelligences will have IQs of you know, four hundred, five hundred or beyond. They will be so ahead of us, not just logically but in terms of calculations about our emotional responses to leverage are either black mail situation, so we'll be quite vulnerable to them. My personal view is this right. Nobody knows anything for sure about this, but this is my personal view. The danger is not in the really long long term, but it's the medium term. And the reason I say that is in the next couple of years is going to be really, really smart, but it won't be smart enough to recognize the universal issues that have kept us live, like the importance of diversity. Because in the short term and the short to medium term. We may be colladal damage for some goal that's pursuing until it reaches the stage where it enters a sort of quasi spiritual area where it starts to realize well, the universe and the Earth itself thrives on diversity, including species like us. So it's probably going to be and it's interest to keep us alive at least some of we get through this bubble. It's going to be difficult.

Something like that. I think that that would That's right, Mike. You know, there's a There are so many different perspectives on this, which is fascinating in itself. There's one, the really long term perspective, probably the scariest one really for our species, Homo sapiens, is that everything humans have been till now is just a prelude to what comes after the next type of species. So in effect, we are sort of creating a AI as a digital Christliss that's going to produce this super intelligence that eventually will transcend you know humans. You know, that's the real danger. I mean, as getting back to u val heros. There's never never summon a power that you can't control, and you know we won't be able to. It's very likely we won't be able to control AI eventually because it's just too it's just becoming too smart. I mean, the smartest human alive is probably about to an IQ of two hundred and twenty maybe, but you know, these superintelligences will have IQs of you know, four hundred, five hundred or beyond. They will be so ahead of us, not just logically but in terms of calculations about our emotional responses to leverage are either black mail situation, so we'll be quite vulnerable to them. My personal view is this right. Nobody knows anything for sure about this, but this is my personal view. The danger is not in the really long long term, but it's the medium term. And the reason I say that is in the next couple of years is going to be really, really smart, but it won't be smart enough to recognize the universal issues that have kept us live, like the importance of diversity. Because in the short term and the short to medium term. We may be colladal damage for some goal that's pursuing until it reaches the stage where it enters a sort of quasi spiritual area where it starts to realize well, the universe and the Earth itself thrives on diversity, including species like us. So it's probably going to be and it's interest to keep us alive at least some of we get through this bubble. It's going to be difficult.

Yeah, very interesting.

Yeah, very interesting.

Appreciate time and comments is always Mark, Thanks for coming on the program anytime. Make Mark Roder, who is an author who is focusing on the impact of technology, now.

Appreciate time and comments is always Mark, Thanks for coming on the program anytime. Make Mark Roder, who is an author who is focusing on the impact of technology, now.

On Wake Up Australia today.

On Wake Up Australia today.

It certainly with Sessha Foot Morning Sessia, Good morning Mike.

It certainly with Sessha Foot Morning Sessia, Good morning Mike.

Police believe a suspected murder in Sydney's Inner West is a drug deal gone wrong. Emergency services found the body of a man with multiple stab wounds inside a Croydon Park home. A thirty two year old man is in police custody assisting with inquiries. The FBI says the man arrested over a suspected act of terrorism in Colorado, had been plotting the attack for a year. It's alleged the attacker through molotov cocktails onto crowds, burning eight people at a peaceful march in support of Israeli hostages, and Queensland's Police Union is urging the force to return to its core role of protecting the community. The service is being criticized for being submissive and lacking strategic leadership. Mike Moore News at the top of the hour, thank you for that session.

Police believe a suspected murder in Sydney's Inner West is a drug deal gone wrong. Emergency services found the body of a man with multiple stab wounds inside a Croydon Park home. A thirty two year old man is in police custody assisting with inquiries. The FBI says the man arrested over a suspected act of terrorism in Colorado, had been plotting the attack for a year. It's alleged the attacker through molotov cocktails onto crowds, burning eight people at a peaceful march in support of Israeli hostages, and Queensland's Police Union is urging the force to return to its core role of protecting the community. The service is being criticized for being submissive and lacking strategic leadership. Mike Moore News at the top of the hour, thank you for that session.

Now let's go the three aw newsroom and Gail Watson Morning.

Now let's go the three aw newsroom and Gail Watson Morning.

Gale, Good morning or the mushroom. A trial in Molwell is nearing the end. Late yesterday afternoon, the accused, Aaron Patterson, took to the stand. We didn't know until that point whether she would indeed do that, but we only heard about an hour of testimony detailing her marriage, kids and her life in twenty twenty three, so more is expected today. She has pleaded not guilty to all charges. Detectives are investigating a fatal fire in the Melbourne suburb Box Hill. Emergency Services responded to reports of a fire and an apartment block last night. The person died at the scene and we've had the fire bombings at tobacco stores, ice cream shops. The latest way reportedly the fitness industry. Eleven arson offenses occurred at Melbourne Jim's last year, up from three the year before.

Gale, Good morning or the mushroom. A trial in Molwell is nearing the end. Late yesterday afternoon, the accused, Aaron Patterson, took to the stand. We didn't know until that point whether she would indeed do that, but we only heard about an hour of testimony detailing her marriage, kids and her life in twenty twenty three, so more is expected today. She has pleaded not guilty to all charges. Detectives are investigating a fatal fire in the Melbourne suburb Box Hill. Emergency Services responded to reports of a fire and an apartment block last night. The person died at the scene and we've had the fire bombings at tobacco stores, ice cream shops. The latest way reportedly the fitness industry. Eleven arson offenses occurred at Melbourne Jim's last year, up from three the year before.

Gail, thank you for that. Here's a text from Diane from Kellyville, says Himike heard a story from a friend on the weekend re aion robots. Her husband is a robot technician in a pathology library. Funny, it's the one you mentioned. Read the blackmail scary stuff. How about that, Diane?

Gail, thank you for that. Here's a text from Diane from Kellyville, says Himike heard a story from a friend on the weekend re aion robots. Her husband is a robot technician in a pathology library. Funny, it's the one you mentioned. Read the blackmail scary stuff. How about that, Diane?

Revive the libs.

Revive the libs.

I did mention earlier. No matter what you think about the results of the election, our system is supposed to work with a decent opposition. Without that, we don't have the rigor, we don't have a whole lot of things. So what to do to revive the libs?

I did mention earlier. No matter what you think about the results of the election, our system is supposed to work with a decent opposition. Without that, we don't have the rigor, we don't have a whole lot of things. So what to do to revive the libs?

Well.

Well.

Nick Kata, who's executive director of the e.

Nick Kata, who's executive director of the e.

Menzies Research Center and a columnist with The Australian and author of, among other books, The Lucky Culture, says step one, give up the net zero target mania. Couldn't agree more. Mister Cata's on the line. Hold on, Nick, thanks for doing this bdding mate.

Menzies Research Center and a columnist with The Australian and author of, among other books, The Lucky Culture, says step one, give up the net zero target mania. Couldn't agree more. Mister Cata's on the line. Hold on, Nick, thanks for doing this bdding mate.

Yes, give up.

Yes, give up.

The net zero target mania. Do you have a theory or insight into why the Albanesi government and bone are so absolutely determined to continue the way they're doing. I mean, it just isn't going to work.

The net zero target mania. Do you have a theory or insight into why the Albanesi government and bone are so absolutely determined to continue the way they're doing. I mean, it just isn't going to work.

I just don't think, honestly, Mike, I just don't think they've really thought this through. I don't think that they look at it as a political issue. They think that if they abandon this net zero or pull back from it, then they'd lose votes because you know, a lot of the places where they're fighting the Greens and tials, you know, maybe they would lose from votes in that area. But it's frankly, I mean, the thing about net zero twenty fifty is well, it's just not possible. It's not a credible policy. It's a slogan, you know, it's a statement of belief. I mean, to come out with a policy that actually means something, you have to show how you're going to achieve it. You know, you have to show the steps to get there. And of course they can't do that because nobody knows. Nobody around the world knows how you crack this challenge of getting to nets zero.

I just don't think, honestly, Mike, I just don't think they've really thought this through. I don't think that they look at it as a political issue. They think that if they abandon this net zero or pull back from it, then they'd lose votes because you know, a lot of the places where they're fighting the Greens and tials, you know, maybe they would lose from votes in that area. But it's frankly, I mean, the thing about net zero twenty fifty is well, it's just not possible. It's not a credible policy. It's a slogan, you know, it's a statement of belief. I mean, to come out with a policy that actually means something, you have to show how you're going to achieve it. You know, you have to show the steps to get there. And of course they can't do that because nobody knows. Nobody around the world knows how you crack this challenge of getting to nets zero.

That's what you want to do. I mean, the.

That's what you want to do. I mean, the.

Electricity is the easy part, right. They're struggling to do that. But that's only about forty percent of their emissions. You've then got to start on farming, transport, heavy industry, aviation of course, all these things where they've got no idea how to operate those things with zero missions. So I just think it's fundamentally dishonest on the public. We're telling them we can do something we can't if we promise them net zero. And I think it's got to the point where the Liberal Party has to review this and the ban ofit, because it's leading to all sorts of bad consequences, one of which you've just been talking about AI and the amount of energy it needs. Well, if it's some predict, you know it's going to double the demand for energy by twenty fifty. That means double the number of windmills, double the number of solar panels. You know, it just gets to the point where it's not possible to achieve what they want to achieve. And I think honesty demands the Liberal Party debate this and say, well, in all conscience, we can't have a policy we don't know how to deliver.

Electricity is the easy part, right. They're struggling to do that. But that's only about forty percent of their emissions. You've then got to start on farming, transport, heavy industry, aviation of course, all these things where they've got no idea how to operate those things with zero missions. So I just think it's fundamentally dishonest on the public. We're telling them we can do something we can't if we promise them net zero. And I think it's got to the point where the Liberal Party has to review this and the ban ofit, because it's leading to all sorts of bad consequences, one of which you've just been talking about AI and the amount of energy it needs. Well, if it's some predict, you know it's going to double the demand for energy by twenty fifty. That means double the number of windmills, double the number of solar panels. You know, it just gets to the point where it's not possible to achieve what they want to achieve. And I think honesty demands the Liberal Party debate this and say, well, in all conscience, we can't have a policy we don't know how to deliver.

Why didn't they go in heavier on this, I mean, why didn't they go in heavier during the election. I mean it seems to me it's going away. I always thought it would with the reactive management. You know already we've got the teal colored people who aren't happy about the woodside thing. But there's always been a need for as the CSIRO put it, rather vaguely firming. And when you look at what's happening around the rest of the world, we isolated. Who are we trying to impress?

Why didn't they go in heavier on this, I mean, why didn't they go in heavier during the election. I mean it seems to me it's going away. I always thought it would with the reactive management. You know already we've got the teal colored people who aren't happy about the woodside thing. But there's always been a need for as the CSIRO put it, rather vaguely firming. And when you look at what's happening around the rest of the world, we isolated. Who are we trying to impress?

Well, it's very interesting and I can give you a bit of an insight into this with an anecdote. So, just after the twenty nineteen election, remember Scott Morrison won against all expectations, I was chatting to a Liberal MP who was then in one of the seats which is now a teal seat, and he said, look, we've got to adopt net zero twenty fifty otherwise I won't be able to win my seat and will lose other seats as well. And I thought, well, okay. And Scott Morrison of course gave into that logic. He couldn't do it out of conviction. He did it because he thought they would they would have political.

Well, it's very interesting and I can give you a bit of an insight into this with an anecdote. So, just after the twenty nineteen election, remember Scott Morrison won against all expectations, I was chatting to a Liberal MP who was then in one of the seats which is now a teal seat, and he said, look, we've got to adopt net zero twenty fifty otherwise I won't be able to win my seat and will lose other seats as well. And I thought, well, okay. And Scott Morrison of course gave into that logic. He couldn't do it out of conviction. He did it because he thought they would they would have political.

Trouble in those tier seats.

Trouble in those tier seats.

Well guess what, they did have political trouble and they didn't win the seats, so and they didn't win them again in twenty twenty five except Goldstein. Just so there's the political advantage they thought.

Well guess what, they did have political trouble and they didn't win the seats, so and they didn't win them again in twenty twenty five except Goldstein. Just so there's the political advantage they thought.

Would be in that isn't there at all.

Would be in that isn't there at all.

Most people in Australia, I believe, and not interested in net zero as much as just having reliable and cheap electricity. Yeah, so it doesn't work politically and it doesn't work in practice. Right, It's an impossible thing to do, so I see no benefit in holding it. And by the way, you know my intelligence is a probably around half of the party room at the moment agree with me, by the way, So it's going to be one one or mighty fight. And I think it's three years down the track we reach an election, you can guarantee that Chris Bowen will not be any closer to getting to reach his ridiculous targets, and the rest of the world will be backing away as they are now Donald Trump.

Most people in Australia, I believe, and not interested in net zero as much as just having reliable and cheap electricity. Yeah, so it doesn't work politically and it doesn't work in practice. Right, It's an impossible thing to do, so I see no benefit in holding it. And by the way, you know my intelligence is a probably around half of the party room at the moment agree with me, by the way, So it's going to be one one or mighty fight. And I think it's three years down the track we reach an election, you can guarantee that Chris Bowen will not be any closer to getting to reach his ridiculous targets, and the rest of the world will be backing away as they are now Donald Trump.

It is one example, but there are many others around the world.

It is one example, but there are many others around the world.

Where politicians are trying to back out of this target thing.

Where politicians are trying to back out of this target thing.

So we'll be looking quite stupid.

So we'll be looking quite stupid.

I think if we continue to hold onto that, if the Liberals continue to hold onto that, we look like laughing stock.

I think if we continue to hold onto that, if the Liberals continue to hold onto that, we look like laughing stock.

Of the world.

Of the world.

Well, I agree, you say whatever your quotes. Here are too often political leaders fear saying what many know to be true. I mean, this is the worst picture of the politician, isn't it. Waking up in the morning, which way is the wind blowing? What do we all think? You know, they're not responding to what people in this country want and it's becoming an isolated position on the global stage. If that's where they think they're future lies.

Well, I agree, you say whatever your quotes. Here are too often political leaders fear saying what many know to be true. I mean, this is the worst picture of the politician, isn't it. Waking up in the morning, which way is the wind blowing? What do we all think? You know, they're not responding to what people in this country want and it's becoming an isolated position on the global stage. If that's where they think they're future lies.

Yeah, this is the politics of fear, isn't it.

Yeah, this is the politics of fear, isn't it.

They're frightened of the electorate, they're frightened of other people, so they won't actually say what they believe.

They're frightened of the electorate, they're frightened of other people, so they won't actually say what they believe.

And that's where we're at.

And that's where we're at.

And that was Tony Blair instantly who said that, made that quote. And Tony Blair, former British Prime minister, one of the leading lights in the whole climate change thing back in the late nineties and still does believe in it, by the way, he still hasn't backed away from his belief that we need to save the planet. But he just says, well, you're not going to do it this way. It has too many counter too many bad sides to it, and it's not working and politicians need to be honest about that.

And that was Tony Blair instantly who said that, made that quote. And Tony Blair, former British Prime minister, one of the leading lights in the whole climate change thing back in the late nineties and still does believe in it, by the way, he still hasn't backed away from his belief that we need to save the planet. But he just says, well, you're not going to do it this way. It has too many counter too many bad sides to it, and it's not working and politicians need to be honest about that.

Well.

Well.

To continue quoting his position, he says, China began building ninety five gigawats and new coal fired power plans, and as people who listen to my program keep telling me, our coal is being burnt by China. So really, if you think it's going to do the environment some good by not burning fossil fuels, then it ain't working, is.

To continue quoting his position, he says, China began building ninety five gigawats and new coal fired power plans, and as people who listen to my program keep telling me, our coal is being burnt by China. So really, if you think it's going to do the environment some good by not burning fossil fuels, then it ain't working, is.

It, know? And that China is doing that.

It, know? And that China is doing that.

It's also building a lot of nuclear by the way, but it's a lot of It needs this coal fired power stations to produce the cheap electricity which allows it to do things like lithium batteries for teslas, you know, or solar panels that they need a lot of energy to produce and they need China can do that cheaply because it uses coal. And guess what, it doesn't have the same labor laws that we have, and it has no compunction about using slave labor when it needs to, so they've got cheap labor too. So that's how they're producing these things and why they're dominating the market. So this technology is not green anyway, not if you look at the emissions that go into it, and certainly not ethical in the way that China uses slave labor, particularly in these industries, because they need all the labor they can get their dirty jobs. So, you know, I think there's lots of reasons why we need to think again about but I just think it's a fundamental thing of honesty, being honest with the public, number one, and I think people get marks for that. Plus, you won't be driven to do you know, put in if you don't have this target, this fixed target, you won't be driven to do all the things that Chris Bowen is doing, spending our money making electricity more expensive by installing more and more transmission lines and overbuilding the grid because that's what you need to do. If you've got renewables in there, then we won't be doing that. Electricity will be cheaper and we won't be ringing the countryside. I mean, this is a major problem which very people in the city seem to care about. But the destruction of the countryside of farmland, and in some cases in Queensland in particular native bushland is going under the bulldozer. You know, either we believe in saving the Kola or we don't, as my thought on that one, but this.

It's also building a lot of nuclear by the way, but it's a lot of It needs this coal fired power stations to produce the cheap electricity which allows it to do things like lithium batteries for teslas, you know, or solar panels that they need a lot of energy to produce and they need China can do that cheaply because it uses coal. And guess what, it doesn't have the same labor laws that we have, and it has no compunction about using slave labor when it needs to, so they've got cheap labor too. So that's how they're producing these things and why they're dominating the market. So this technology is not green anyway, not if you look at the emissions that go into it, and certainly not ethical in the way that China uses slave labor, particularly in these industries, because they need all the labor they can get their dirty jobs. So, you know, I think there's lots of reasons why we need to think again about but I just think it's a fundamental thing of honesty, being honest with the public, number one, and I think people get marks for that. Plus, you won't be driven to do you know, put in if you don't have this target, this fixed target, you won't be driven to do all the things that Chris Bowen is doing, spending our money making electricity more expensive by installing more and more transmission lines and overbuilding the grid because that's what you need to do. If you've got renewables in there, then we won't be doing that. Electricity will be cheaper and we won't be ringing the countryside. I mean, this is a major problem which very people in the city seem to care about. But the destruction of the countryside of farmland, and in some cases in Queensland in particular native bushland is going under the bulldozer. You know, either we believe in saving the Kola or we don't, as my thought on that one, but this.

Is a contradiction. Isn't it that we're destroying the environment apparently to save it. I mean, it just doesn't make sense at any level as near as I can tell.

Is a contradiction. Isn't it that we're destroying the environment apparently to save it. I mean, it just doesn't make sense at any level as near as I can tell.

But you're talking about the honesty here.

But you're talking about the honesty here.

Labour's climate policy is based on discredited modeling and unworldly assumptions about the speed of the energy transition. And you mentioned China, Well, I mean China's using everything they've got. We've got all this stuff. Maybe not the oil so much, but the other things. Why aren't we losing it? Are using it? I mean, at the very least, even if you believe that renewables of the future, wouldn't you wait until they're at the stage where we can maintain everything we want at a reasonable price before making the shift.

Labour's climate policy is based on discredited modeling and unworldly assumptions about the speed of the energy transition. And you mentioned China, Well, I mean China's using everything they've got. We've got all this stuff. Maybe not the oil so much, but the other things. Why aren't we losing it? Are using it? I mean, at the very least, even if you believe that renewables of the future, wouldn't you wait until they're at the stage where we can maintain everything we want at a reasonable price before making the shift.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, exactly.

It's our natural advantage energy or was ener Cheap energy was our natural advantage.

It's our natural advantage energy or was ener Cheap energy was our natural advantage.

Yeah, because we.

Yeah, because we.

Couldroduce electricity cheap, so we could do things like amin all the things people are telling us we need to be doing in the minerals industry, the value adding. You know, we need to be into lithium processing. They say, well, okay, but you see cheap energy to do that, So that we had that, we've got more coal than we know what to do with. I have to think that regardless of climate considerations, which I don't really think really should come into this, But quite apart from.

Couldroduce electricity cheap, so we could do things like amin all the things people are telling us we need to be doing in the minerals industry, the value adding. You know, we need to be into lithium processing. They say, well, okay, but you see cheap energy to do that, So that we had that, we've got more coal than we know what to do with. I have to think that regardless of climate considerations, which I don't really think really should come into this, But quite apart from.

That, I think moving to nuclear is a good thing.

That, I think moving to nuclear is a good thing.

It's a much more efficient form of technology, it lasts longer, and let's face it, you know, you need a lot of coal trains and things rumbling through communities to keep a coal power station alive. So it's cleaner in a very real sense nuclear and the world is going with that now massive. The US plans to triple the amount of nuclear by twenty fifty so to a lot of other countries, they've signed up to an agreement to that. We've got a third of the world's uranium under crowd that we so we've got a natural advantage there too. But no, guess what, it's illegal in this country. So nothing about energy policy makes sense right now, Mike, you are quite crazy.

It's a much more efficient form of technology, it lasts longer, and let's face it, you know, you need a lot of coal trains and things rumbling through communities to keep a coal power station alive. So it's cleaner in a very real sense nuclear and the world is going with that now massive. The US plans to triple the amount of nuclear by twenty fifty so to a lot of other countries, they've signed up to an agreement to that. We've got a third of the world's uranium under crowd that we so we've got a natural advantage there too. But no, guess what, it's illegal in this country. So nothing about energy policy makes sense right now, Mike, you are quite crazy.

So let's finish on this note. Are you optimistic that the Liberal Party or the coalition will actually take a firm stand on this.

So let's finish on this note. Are you optimistic that the Liberal Party or the coalition will actually take a firm stand on this.

I think they'll realize they have to.

I think they'll realize they have to.

Yeah, I am optimistic because I'm optimistic about the Liberal Party.

Yeah, I am optimistic because I'm optimistic about the Liberal Party.

You know, whether that optimism is justified.

You know, whether that optimism is justified.

We shall find out, but I think they they eventually, they're going to be driven to that point.

We shall find out, but I think they they eventually, they're going to be driven to that point.

Anyway.

Anyway.

It just will happen because the net zero the narrative is dying out already.

It just will happen because the net zero the narrative is dying out already.

As people realize it's just unrealistic.

As people realize it's just unrealistic.

So they will they will have to come to that point, the point at which reality will collide with their dreams. Whether that's this month, next month, next year, ten years time, I don't know, but it will happen.

So they will they will have to come to that point, the point at which reality will collide with their dreams. Whether that's this month, next month, next year, ten years time, I don't know, but it will happen.

Okay, Nick, appreciate your time and comments. Thank you for coming on the program.

Okay, Nick, appreciate your time and comments. Thank you for coming on the program.

Thanks Mane.

Thanks Mane.

Nick Katie, executive director of the Menzies Research Center. He's a comumns with The Australian and author of a number of books, including The Lucky Culture. Vesner has called in from Canberra. Good morning, what are you up to this morning?

Nick Katie, executive director of the Menzies Research Center. He's a comumns with The Australian and author of a number of books, including The Lucky Culture. Vesner has called in from Canberra. Good morning, what are you up to this morning?

Good morning, Mike. I will wake up to your Dulpha tones and Dale chatting about whatever day it is. That was wonderful, saying.

Good morning, Mike. I will wake up to your Dulpha tones and Dale chatting about whatever day it is. That was wonderful, saying.

What do you want to talk about?

What do you want to talk about?

Oh?

Oh?

Look, you know why we're worried.

Look, you know why we're worried.

AI is going to take care of everything for us.

AI is going to take care of everything for us.

We're just we're just to bump on the evolutionary path to AI.

We're just we're just to bump on the evolutionary path to AI.

Yes, you know that AI that needs so much energy to run, so we're going to be thinking do I run the hater in the winter or do I run my AI.

Yes, you know that AI that needs so much energy to run, so we're going to be thinking do I run the hater in the winter or do I run my AI.

That's you'll have to make that decision. Turn on the verse A C or chat DDT.

That's you'll have to make that decision. Turn on the verse A C or chat DDT.

Yeah, I think that's where it's heading. But you know, those labor green and tail hypocrites, I wonder if they're assessing what the dumping of those first generation of solar panels is doing to our environments and our soils because they're apparently being buried. Yes, I don't know what to.

Yeah, I think that's where it's heading. But you know, those labor green and tail hypocrites, I wonder if they're assessing what the dumping of those first generation of solar panels is doing to our environments and our soils because they're apparently being buried. Yes, I don't know what to.

Do with them, that's right, Yes, but I don't think the tillies think much through. I still treasure Zali saying, oh I don't drive an electric car because I need the dieselless you need to take the kids to school. There's a complete lack of self awareness there. Yes, a lot of people think that too, but they don't, you know, lecture the rest of us about how we ought to buy an electric car because you think it's nice.

Do with them, that's right, Yes, but I don't think the tillies think much through. I still treasure Zali saying, oh I don't drive an electric car because I need the dieselless you need to take the kids to school. There's a complete lack of self awareness there. Yes, a lot of people think that too, but they don't, you know, lecture the rest of us about how we ought to buy an electric car because you think it's nice.

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Well, look, as one of your experts said a while ago, and I love the comment, Natzie right stop break, yes, all right, well you didn't have a great guy.

Well, look, as one of your experts said a while ago, and I love the comment, Natzie right stop break, yes, all right, well you didn't have a great guy.

Thank you for bringing in a sports update.

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The Matilda's captain Sam kerrz had a setback in her recovery from an ACL injury, undergoing another surgery, though it's believed this one isn't related to her knee. The new Matilda's coach, Joe Montemorrow, introduced on Monday, revealed the news during his first press conference. He said Kerr experience some complications requiring an intervention, but confirmed she's now back running. He said I believe the knee is fine, but added he only received details in the last twenty four hours. Kerr has recently seen the Women's A League Grand Final in Melbourne, watching alongside the Matilda as physio instead of joining her Chelsea teammates for their FA Cup celebrations. Fans, it seems we'll have to wait somewhat longer for her return to the field, Steve says, is the further to the conversation I have with mister Kita Alban Easy keeps repeating that renewables are the cheapest form of energy as electricity prices skyrocket, and so does Bowen, but it's established they're not. And in fact, the only places that come close and people who listen to this program know and talk about it, are those countries that have plenty of hydro available and we don't have that. I mean, snowy too is just a dark, expensive joke.

The Matilda's captain Sam kerrz had a setback in her recovery from an ACL injury, undergoing another surgery, though it's believed this one isn't related to her knee. The new Matilda's coach, Joe Montemorrow, introduced on Monday, revealed the news during his first press conference. He said Kerr experience some complications requiring an intervention, but confirmed she's now back running. He said I believe the knee is fine, but added he only received details in the last twenty four hours. Kerr has recently seen the Women's A League Grand Final in Melbourne, watching alongside the Matilda as physio instead of joining her Chelsea teammates for their FA Cup celebrations. Fans, it seems we'll have to wait somewhat longer for her return to the field, Steve says, is the further to the conversation I have with mister Kita Alban Easy keeps repeating that renewables are the cheapest form of energy as electricity prices skyrocket, and so does Bowen, but it's established they're not. And in fact, the only places that come close and people who listen to this program know and talk about it, are those countries that have plenty of hydro available and we don't have that. I mean, snowy too is just a dark, expensive joke.

But as for these people like.

But as for these people like.

Bowen who keep saying it's the cheapest form, you know, this nonsense about oh the sun doesn't send a bill, you could say that about rain, but actually getting it to the people who need it and can use it. The infrastructure there is quite extensive and expensive, and it would be a good idea, by the way, to store some rain water if we actually have people in charge who have the good sense to build a dam here and there, And it is possible to do that, but really it's just not practical to expect to store electricity with batteries without going into all the detail on that. Look how it's working out in South Australia. But here we have these people who are saying things that are untrue. But the lawyers have told me over the years, I mustn't say that they're liars, because to be a liar you have to deliberately say something that's untrue. You have to give people the benefit of the doubt, and you know, presume that they're just ignorant, ill informed morons, you know, as a kindness to them, I suppose. But we press on with this. See Leslie says, good morning, Mike. I believe global warming and climate change is the ultimate scam of the century.

Bowen who keep saying it's the cheapest form, you know, this nonsense about oh the sun doesn't send a bill, you could say that about rain, but actually getting it to the people who need it and can use it. The infrastructure there is quite extensive and expensive, and it would be a good idea, by the way, to store some rain water if we actually have people in charge who have the good sense to build a dam here and there, And it is possible to do that, but really it's just not practical to expect to store electricity with batteries without going into all the detail on that. Look how it's working out in South Australia. But here we have these people who are saying things that are untrue. But the lawyers have told me over the years, I mustn't say that they're liars, because to be a liar you have to deliberately say something that's untrue. You have to give people the benefit of the doubt, and you know, presume that they're just ignorant, ill informed morons, you know, as a kindness to them, I suppose. But we press on with this. See Leslie says, good morning, Mike. I believe global warming and climate change is the ultimate scam of the century.

Yeah, I agree. I'm with Howard.

Yeah, I agree. I'm with Howard.

You know, he said he was agnostic to begin with, but now he's atheist on the whole global warming thing.

You know, he said he was agnostic to begin with, but now he's atheist on the whole global warming thing.

Leslie says, it's all.

Leslie says, it's all.

About money and the carpetbaggers of the world are making heaps.

About money and the carpetbaggers of the world are making heaps.

Out of it.

Out of it.

It's such a tragedy to see gullible, mediocre politicians falling for it. Lovely to hear you, says Leslie. Yes, thank you for that. Although it seems to be that there is agreement with my position that although there's always a big bunch of human beings who seem to love the idea that we're looking at the end of the world, the whole climate change thing may be fading and it's being replaced by the thought of what AI will.

It's such a tragedy to see gullible, mediocre politicians falling for it. Lovely to hear you, says Leslie. Yes, thank you for that. Although it seems to be that there is agreement with my position that although there's always a big bunch of human beings who seem to love the idea that we're looking at the end of the world, the whole climate change thing may be fading and it's being replaced by the thought of what AI will.

Do to us.

Do to us.

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Now on two GV for BC and networkstations, back to Wake Up Australia with Mike Jeffries.

Good morning walcome along if you just joined us when it comes to the front pages this morning, you pay your money and take your choice, particularly with regard to the latest exchange over how much money Australia should be spending on defence. I mean The Australian, for example, says it was an historic moment that we've missed between Miles and Higseith. On the other hand, the CIDNY Morning Herald it seems to be pleased at what they believe is Anthony Albinizi's taking a strong position. Does Donald Trump care a bit about that? Let's see what ag Gankowski from The New York Post thinks. Good morning Age, thanks for doing this.

Good morning walcome along if you just joined us when it comes to the front pages this morning, you pay your money and take your choice, particularly with regard to the latest exchange over how much money Australia should be spending on defence. I mean The Australian, for example, says it was an historic moment that we've missed between Miles and Higseith. On the other hand, the CIDNY Morning Herald it seems to be pleased at what they believe is Anthony Albinizi's taking a strong position. Does Donald Trump care a bit about that? Let's see what ag Gankowski from The New York Post thinks. Good morning Age, thanks for doing this.

Good morning Mike.

Good morning Mike.

How you doing?

How you doing?

Not too bad?

Not too bad?

So we seem, to my reading of it, have a situation where our Prime minister has said we will decide how much money we spend on defense. But at the same time it seems like, well, we've always been friends with the US, Donald Trump ought to be treating its better. My own view would be that Donald could care less. Am I being a bit too cynical?

So we seem, to my reading of it, have a situation where our Prime minister has said we will decide how much money we spend on defense. But at the same time it seems like, well, we've always been friends with the US, Donald Trump ought to be treating its better. My own view would be that Donald could care less. Am I being a bit too cynical?

Air?

Air?

What do you think?

What do you think?

Yeah?

Yeah?

I mean, the price has gone up for friendship under Trump administration. You know, we've got a thirty six trillion dollars debt now in the United States, and you know, we we've got a president who's more willing to walk away from foreign entanglements and certainly Joe Biden before him. We're in the United States where we're facing the Golden Dome, which is the missile defense program that President Trump wants to basically enact, sort of like the Iron Dome in Israel, but much bigger. And you know, there's a there's a retolling of the military and the Navy Secretary was talking just today about the movement away from the old aircraft carrier to twenty twentieth century to something that's sleeker, more AI driven or pinpoint you know, sort of like say the Palateer company, which you may have heard of. They're they're using that a lot, and that's been used in Ukraine also handling this strikes on the Russians. That made news, you know, the last couple of days.

I mean, the price has gone up for friendship under Trump administration. You know, we've got a thirty six trillion dollars debt now in the United States, and you know, we we've got a president who's more willing to walk away from foreign entanglements and certainly Joe Biden before him. We're in the United States where we're facing the Golden Dome, which is the missile defense program that President Trump wants to basically enact, sort of like the Iron Dome in Israel, but much bigger. And you know, there's a there's a retolling of the military and the Navy Secretary was talking just today about the movement away from the old aircraft carrier to twenty twentieth century to something that's sleeker, more AI driven or pinpoint you know, sort of like say the Palateer company, which you may have heard of. They're they're using that a lot, and that's been used in Ukraine also handling this strikes on the Russians. That made news, you know, the last couple of days.

Yes, so when.

Yes, so when.

You when you look at where it's going, it's going to more more nimble, more technological, more pinpoints kind of militarization, and you know, Australia will have to get on board because it's either the US or China. And and we know that that China doesn't really have the Australian interest at heart. So you know, the great power game is is such where it's again basically doopoly. And if you're not with the United States and you don't have the United States protection, I think that's the message that a lot of longtime American allies Europe and other places have gotten in recent years.

You when you look at where it's going, it's going to more more nimble, more technological, more pinpoints kind of militarization, and you know, Australia will have to get on board because it's either the US or China. And and we know that that China doesn't really have the Australian interest at heart. So you know, the great power game is is such where it's again basically doopoly. And if you're not with the United States and you don't have the United States protection, I think that's the message that a lot of longtime American allies Europe and other places have gotten in recent years.

In recent months, well, Trump is as new as I can tell, might have very clear that he's not going to use American dollars to fight other people's wars. And you have to demonstrate if you want the support of the US that you're serious about doing the very best you can to predict yourself exactly.

In recent months, well, Trump is as new as I can tell, might have very clear that he's not going to use American dollars to fight other people's wars. And you have to demonstrate if you want the support of the US that you're serious about doing the very best you can to predict yourself exactly.

And it's about demonstrating the turance also, and you know we're seeing it in Europe also. I mean, Germany is re arming and they're doing so because they understand that the writing is on the wall in terms of the United States being the guaranteur of world peace and exchange for in not having a safety net in this country. The way our allies seem to regarding you know, social services and free education and things like that. We don't have that in America in the same way. And that's because we spent a decade after decade, you and enriching military contractors, not just domestically but globally. And you know, the calculus has changed on that. And you know, President Trump, quite reasonably, I believe, wants people to pay their freight. And this is something this isn't new. Barack Obama said the same thing. So even like free writers, and that was a decade ago. So you know, Joe Biden may have may have represent a sort of intermission from it. But you know, Obama and Trump don't agree on a lot of things. But what they agree on is that the United States can't pay to be the world's policeman the way it was a case during the Cold War.