Skye Wheatley’s TV Rebrand, Taylor Swift’s Situationship & The Spice Girls Iconic Reunion

Published Apr 22, 2024, 3:00 PM

Skye Wheatley’s television rebrand. The Spice Girls’ iconic reunion at Posh’s 50th. Taylor Swift’s situationship we can’t stop thinking about… AND why are people asking TikTok how old they look? 

Victoria Beckham Deep Dive 
If today's segment about Posh's 50th made you feel nostalgic, get even more in your feels and listen to our deep dive series on Victoria Beckham starting with episode one: https://link.chtbl.com/davc7kAE 

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Coming up on today's show, Sky Wheatley's television rebrand, the Iconic Spy Sculls reunion, Taylor Swift's situationship, and why people are asking TikTok how old they look? Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Sophie Torbough.

And I'm Kate Torbert and apologies in advance of my croaky voice. I am at the back end of having COVID and I am so excited to be back. There is so much to talk about today.

Yeah, it is just the two of us today, but I really want to talk to you about the rebrand that Sky Wheatley is finding herself in at the moment. So, the controversial influencer was just crowned the winner of I'm a Celebrity, Get Me out of Here, beating out Callum Hole and Tristan McManus to win one hundred thousand dollars for her charity, Bully Zero. Now it is clear that her personality does suit a television audience rather than social media audience. Why do you think that is, Kate?

Look, I think a big part of it is the post production and editing, because on TV shows like I'm a Celeb and Big Brother, a person's edit really does come down to the producers. And I think Sky is perfect talent for TV because she says a lot of funny things and if edited correctly, it can come across as very endearing and lovable. I mean, we saw her be so successful and Big Brother for that same reason. However, when Sky is in control of her own edit like she is online, she doesn't have the foresight to moderate herself, which has landed her in hot water time and time again. And if you're an avid viewer of her YouTube channel, you will know she rarely ever edits that content. And it's the same when she puts up Instagram stories. She'll put up all of these things just immediately online without a thought of what she's actually said, and always comes to bite her in the ass.

Yeah. I totally agree, Kay, and I think this Sky has the producers to thank for this edit, because when you are working on a show like this, there's always a hero and a villain. I think that Sky was cast really well as the hero, the sort of up and coming hero that no one expected. Now there has been a lot of talk about how Britt Hockley didn't get the best editor on the show, and I saw a lot of commentary from her fan base saying that she was barely shown and they didn't really show her personality very well.

Yeah, it's pretty interesting because when I saw the cast lineup, and if I had been forced to put money on it, I would have said that Britt Hockley would have done better than Sky Wheatley. And it's not saying that brit didn't do very well. I think she finished in the top five. However, Sky really stole the show. And it's interesting because Britt Hockley is just such a lovable person on podcasts and on radio. However, it didn't seem to transfer across onto TV. I mean, she's been on a lot of reality TV shows before. It is interesting that she wasn't given such a favorable edit as Sky was.

If you take a look back at some of Sky's passed indiscretions, there's been comments that are racist, There's been comments about domestic violence. There's some very offensive things that have been said. I do wonder if Channel ten edited out any offensive comments because they didn't want to be blamed for featuring these comments or platforming someone who makes these types of comments.

It's interesting you say that so because she did reveal on I'm a Celeb that she was actually chosen for Big Brother All Stars back in twenty twenty two, and she was actually kicked off the show last minute because she put up this very controversial Q and A where she spoke about consent with her partner Lockie War And it's interesting that Channel seven didn't want to take the gamble on her, but Channel ten did. And I think it comes down to the style of TV show. Because I'm a Celebrity, it's a family show, it's not a family time slot. It's a certain demographic that watch it, and they, as you said, they want to polish it so it's really nice, family friendly. I know they sometimes do have villains on there, but they want to feel good show. Whereas if she had been put on a show like Big Brother or Maths, I think she would have got a completely different edit.

It's interesting that Channel seven, of all networks, chose not to align themselves with Sky Wheatley after comments about consent, yet they will platform people like Wayne Kerrey on the football broadcast. It seems all a bit contradictory.

Exactly, Ben Cousins as well on Dancing with m Yes.

I think Sky Wheatly's win also comes down to the target demographic who is watching this show. Most millennials and jen Zetters don't watch free to air television. It is a lot of families and maybe boomers watching this show, and those are the demographics that I think would align with Sky and just find her comments funny and lovable, and they wouldn't necessarily know about her indiscretions or maybe have a problem with those indiscretions.

Yeah, I don't think the i'ma Celeb audience are known for being ultra woke, and as you said, I think that she fits in perfectly with the demographic. She is a lovable girl when she is edited down and if not to take anything away from Sky because it is nice to see her in this environment. I know she absolutely loves reality TV and I think everyone should be allowed to have a redemption and it's going to be interesting to see how it goes from here. So it's been very successful from a social media perspective because I had a look at her social blade and over the last thirty days she's attracted thirty thousand new followers. So at the start of the year we were talking about how she was losing followers rapidly, so it'll be interesting to see if she can hold onto that new fan base.

I think this win will open her up to more mainstream brand deals, maybe brands that are targeted more towards families. It'll be really interesting to see where her career goes from here. When Abby Chatfield one I'm a celebri couple of years ago, it really did put her on the map, and she got her own radio show. She got a heap more opportunities that I don't think she would have got if she didn't appear on that show.

Yeah, and I have heard Sky mentioned. I think it was on Lily Brown's podcast that she's interested in doing her own podcast. I think that she needs to get a network behind her that takes care of all of the productions, similar to what Indi Clinton is doing at the moment, and then they just need her as the talent and then to edit her.

I don't think we need any more influencer podcast. I think that maybe she would be more suited to a hosting gig, something where there is actually a script involved.

See. I don't think she's got on script at all. I think you would lose what people love about her. I think though, that she just needs heavy editing.

The Spy Skills have reunited at Victoria Beckham's fiftieth birthday party in London. Now. The party took place at the Oswald's Private Members Club in Mayfair and it was a star studded event with all five Spy Skills there as well as Tom Cruise, Selma Hayek and Gordon Ramsey. And it was David Beckham who broke the Internet by sharing the iconic reunion. So in the post he wrote I mean come on and shared vision of the Spy Scals singing and doing the iconic dance moves to their hit Stop.

I knew you would be obsessed with this. I knew this was going to be on the show. It was absolutely iconic and what I love the most about it is they're just like everyone else. Of course they're going to have Stop on their dance floor at a party.

Yeah, Well they didn't appear to be using microphone, so they weren't up on a stage performing for everyone. They were just having fun on the dance floor and David was also singing along in the video. It was so funny because Victoria responded in the comments section saying, best night ever, Happy birthday to me. I love you also much hashtag spice uf your life.

This is such a tease because Victoria Beckham, she's always been the one that seems to be holding back this Spy Scales reunion.

Could we get begetting it? Well? The video does come off the back of melb teasing a Spy Scales project a couple of months ago. So back in January, she told the media, We're actually going to be releasing some really good news in a few weeks that involves all five of us, and she confirmed that fans would be one hundred percent satisfied with the news, and she described it as a gift that keeps on giving. I mean, we are now in April and it's not clear what they're releasing. But back in March, Melby did follow up her comments and said this is going to be really good for fans and the fans are going to be really happy about it. So what exactly they have planned we don't know yet. Potentially, could it be Spicewell two or are we going to see another tour I don't know, but I'm very excited.

I do think David and Victorious Tiktoks are the best place to be dropping these type of stories for the Spy Scales because since the doco they have been dropping some iconic videos on there and I just think that this is so cool because it seems very organic. Yeah, it is getting people talking.

Well, even the book makers are getting in on it. One has slashed the odds on an official Spy Scale reunion in twenty twenty four and also a Glastonbury performance and a new album in twenty twenty five. Wouldn't that be epic? I mean, I can sort of see it happening with the success of the Beckham documentary because everyone is here for that nineties nostalgia we've all brought back into the Spy Sculls again.

I think now would be the absolute perfect timing for that type of reunion. Now, there was another iconic moment at Victoria's fiftieth so perhaps captured the moment where David piggybacked Victoria out of the event, And at first I thought this must be a move from brand Beckham to show just how loved up the couple still are. But then I realized Victoria actually broke her foot in a gym accident in February, so she legitimately needs crutches. She did ditch the crutches in all of her birthday photos, but was photographed entering the event with them. She's also been using one of those little scooters to get around in where her legs just up on the scooter, and I think she just thought that that was not the vibe she wanted for her fiftieth birthday. Yes, I think it's much more chic for David Beckham to be piggybacking her being one of those little scooters. Now, there have been plenty of headlines the fact that Brooklyn Beckham's wife was not in attendance at Victoria's fiftieth So, as you do, Victoria took a lot of professional photos of her and her family altogether dressed up for the event. However, Nicola Peltz Beckham was a notable absent tee, and it does play into these consistent headlines that we've been seeing that there is a feud between the pair, and that all of course kicked off around Nicola and Brooklyn's twenty twenty two wedding. It is hard to believe that with nearly two years ago, I thought they were all over it, considering they were playing happy families at Christmas on TikTok.

Well, it was all apparently around her wedding dress, because apparently she was set to wear one of Victoria Beckham's designs, So her wedding dress was going to be by Victoria's fashion label, but then at the last minute she changed her mind and wore a Valentino gown.

It's nice to know that, even when you're really rich and really famous, that there's always some sort of feud going on behind the scenes when you're planning for a wedding, because can you imagine if your mother and law or basically told you what you had to wear. I mean, I do understand is Victoria Beckham, so she obviously is a fashion god. But I can kind of see where Nichola's coming from that she might have wanted to wear something different.

Well, she also barred Victoria from any of the wedding planning, and maybe that's because Nichola saw what Victoria wore for her own wedding or the theving. I'm not quite sure that. I mean, it is iconic now I can see why you would want to call your own shots and have your own style. But I don't like the fact that apparently she didn't have Victoria and David at the head of the table, so apparently it seemed like the wedding was very centered on the Peltz family and that's what caused a lot of dramas. And it's also alleged that Nichola stormed out mid reception in tears because apparently Mark Anthony, who just happened to be at their wedding, he delivered a very gushing speech about Victoria, and there were reports that Nichola didn't like the attention not being on her. Again, these are all allegations. We don't know how true any of this is.

Coming off the back of three family weddings, I can see how this has turned into a complete shit storm. Again. I am team Victoria, but I do think it would be harder for you and Nikola if your whole wedding was about your in laws in the sense that they're so famous, then they of course would eclipse everything that you're doing. And if there'd been all this infighting going on and then someone gets up and makes a speech about how great Victoria is at your own wedding, I can see how you might actually have a meltdown.

Yeah, but her wedding was held at a parents' house, so she was sort of on home territory, and it seemed like the Beckhams were very much pushed to the side. Again, I see what you're saying, like maybe that was a strategy by her so that it was actually about her and Brooklyn. Well, the pair did seem to really turn a page in September twenty twenty two, when Nikola appeared a Victoria's fashion show, and then in January twenty twenty three, Victoria shared a birthday post for Nicola, and since then on their socials they have looked like my best friends. They're always posing alongside each other and sharing very gushing comments about how much they love each other. And it's quite clear that Nikola knew that the rumor mill was going to spring into action if she didn't appear at Victoria's birthday party, so she shared an Instagram story explaining why she didn't attend. So she shared a photo of her in Victoria and said happy birthday to my beautiful m il which is a new call way to say mother in law. She said, I'm so sad I'm not there to celebrate with you and hug you. And then she sent all of her love from her and her grandmother and said I missed you all so much. So she was trying to show that she was in America spending time with her grandmother instead, and Victoria ended up re sharing the post and wrote love you and missed you. Now. My gut feeling is that her grandmother mustn't be doing well because why would you not want to attend this epic birthday party. And also, at the same time, by not attending, you were reigniting feud rumors that you've worked very hard to water down.

I mean, it's a good idea to an the grandmother because you can't really pick too much into that. You can't be like, wow, she chose to hang out with her grandmother, Like obviously there's more to this story that's private, And again, it's a pretty good pr move from team Beckham in general.

Yeah, Well, if Victoria's fiftieth has made you feel nostalgic and like you want to hear more about her life, we do have a series on Victoria Beckham which we aired last year. We will leave a link for it in our show notes. I'm down bad Crana, everything combs out, nageants.

Swift E's have waited with baited breath to find out exactly what went down in Taylor Swift's highly private six year relationship with Joe Olwen. They held listening parties all around the globe, ready to dissect every clue in a highly anticipated album release. The fans were shocked to discover the tortured poet himself wasn't Joe but her fling Matt Healy. Now, so before we get into it. This album has received a mixed response, some reviewers saying all the tracks sound the same and it shows she needs to take a break.

What I want to say to all of those reviewers is this album is not made for you. This album is for the hardcore Swifties. I think it's for those of us who want to find all the Easter eggs, who know everything about her relationship. We've been there through all of our feuds and all of the drama, and we just want all of the goths. A lot of diehards are actually describing her album as slam poetry, and they have just been enjoying analyzing every lyric, because when it comes to Taylor's music, the lyrics are everything, and it is the first album in years where we've actually had songs about her own heartbreak. They're not just made up heartbreak songs.

Yeah, and I do agree with you. This is for the real fans because when the Eras tour was in Australia, there are a lot of people jumping on the bandwagon and I think the Swifties are very welcoming, you know, as many people who want to enjoy Taylor swift welcome. However, it does annoy me when bandwagon jumpers are like, now, I didn't like it. I Mean, what I don't get is how can you judge an album from listening to it once? Yeah, Like, for me, I'm never going to love every single song the first time I listened to it because especially with these types of songs, there's so many coded messaging within them that you really want to unpick and enjoy. And then also you're not just gonna love a song the first time you hear it, like it gets in your head. And for me, because I've been sick, I haven't wanted to listen to the album over and over again because I've had COVID, I've had a headache. I didn't want to associate it with that, so I've only listened through to it once. However, I know it's a fantastic album because all of the songs have been playing in my head only from listening to them once and then seeing some of them on TikTok as well.

Yeah, that's the thing. One of the surprises was that this was actually a double album, so there are thirty one songs on it, and it does take you a bit of time to actually listen and appreciate all of those songs, and I think there are some absolute standouts. Down Bad is my ultimate favorite at the moment, I can't get it out of my head. I just think that Taylor has reached this new level of celebrity where she can choose what she writes and what she wants to release, and it just seems to be working for her because she has become the most streamed artists in a single day. And I just think that there are so many people who want to drag her down at the moment due to her popularity, and I just hate those people who say, oh, I don't understand why she's so hyped up. It is because of her storytelling, like she doesn't want to impress all of you. She's never come out and said I'm for everyone.

Yeah, and everyone's like, oh, there needed to be more bops, which, being a millennial, I realized bops is the new term for bangers.

Really, I feel like that is quite a millennial term.

No, I think it is more gen z. Like I haven't heard anyone say bangers. They just keep hearing people say bops. Anyway, Everyone's like, h there's not more bops on it. It's like, yeah, what were you expecting with the title the Tortured Poet's Department, Like it clearly wasn't going to all radio here. Yeah.

I just think the critics are out there ready to tear her down, and there's a lot of tall Poppy syndrome going on at the moment. Instead of talking about those miserable people, let's talk about Joe Olwen. Somehow. He has miraculously survived this album release relatively unscathed, because it was long speculated that the album was going to focus on the end of the couple six year relationship, but it was actually her brief romance with the nineteen seventy five's Matt Heay that motivated the majority of the tracks.

See, I think this is the biggest fuck you that Taylor Swift could have delivered to Joe Olwen because she's pumped it up. She's named the album after this group chat that he had with his mates. Then she's dropping all these clues in her library setup at the Grove in LA and the all of a sudden, it's like, hang on tattooed golden retriever who's smoking marijuana and eating seven chocolate bars. That doesn't sound like Joe. Like the fact that she's centered most of this album, this double album on her fling with Matt Healy and this situationship that seems to have gone on for the last ten years is absolutely iconic. I think it is so relatable as well.

Yeah, well, Joe really appears to have gotten the Calvin Harris treatment. So when Taylor and Calvin split, we were all expecting some epic breakup songs, but again, the album focused on some of her short term flings that she had, And I think the fact that Joe is overtly private clearly his biggest fear was that Taylor Swift was going to expose all of these private details about their relationship and about him as a person when they broke up, and potentially maybe it was something that caused tension in their relationship after the split. And I think that this album, as you say, Kay, is just such a power move because she's turned around and been like, see, I told you I would never expose you like that, but instead I'm going to talk about this chaotic rebound I've had that I've experienced in the public eye all because you couldn't love me. So it's kind of is to fuck you at the same time, and it would also be a kick in the dick for him to hear that this rebound seemed to hurt her even more than her six year relationship.

I just love how no one was expecting it. Taylor always keeps us on our toes. I know there was some initial disappointment, and when I was listening, I was like, why is this fuck with getting all this air time? And then I'm like, no, now that I've had more time to think about it, I love it.

It is pretty iconic the way that she has turned this around. Let's go into what we actually did find out about her split with Joe so in the song So Long London, which is clearly about him, she says, I abandoned the ship, but I was going down with it, So that is her revealing that it was actually her decision to end that relationship. She also said, I'm pissed off you let me give you all that youth for free, and this is clearly in reference to the fact that she dated Joe for the bulk of her late twenties and she feels like she wasted time on him.

That lia got me good For any one that has been in a toxic relationship in their twenties, that is very relatable.

Yeah, definitely. There was also a lot of speculation when Joe and Taylor broke up in April last year that Joe may have cheated on Taylor with a fellow actor. Now, Taylor didn't confirm or deny this in the album, but she does express insecurities that she felt in the relationship. So in So Long London, she says, and my friend said, it isn't right to be scared every day of a love affair. Every breath feels like the rarest air when you're not sure if he wants to be there. She also suggested that she was waiting for Joe to propose, saying you swore that you love me, but where were the clues? I died at the altar waiting for the proof God. And people say that this album disappointed. I will never understand that.

Did you also hear that people are speculating? You know the song paper Rings on Lover? Yeah, you know how everyone thought that they must be secretly married. Someone said it puts a new spin on Death by a Thousand Cuts, Like death by a thousand paper cuts.

Oh, that is one of my favorite songs, Death by a Thousand Cuts. In one of the new songs, she also refers to Joe as the loss of her life and not the love of her life, but she does declare that she was the love of his life, which is also a bit of a burn.

Now.

I want to get into the situationship because, as we said, like situationships, they're so devastating, and I think that they make people unravel and question themselves in a way that sometimes long term relationships don't. And I think that is why so many people are going to fall in love with so many of these songs on the new album. I wanted to go into some of the most notable Maddie mentions. So the album's title track, The Tortured Poets Apartment talks about a partner who leaves a typewriter at Taylor's apartment, and she sings, I think some things I never say, like who uses typewriters anyway? And this is in reference to Maddie's love for typewriters, which he did speak about in a twenty eighteen interview with GQ, and he said, the thing with typewriters and writing, putting pen to paper, there's kind of an element of commitment that goes with the ceremony of it. I just think that there is so much wank associated with someone being so deep that they're using a typewriter instead of a normal computer or pen and paper.

I do wonder how Maddie felt when all these typewriters started popping up at their activations, Like was he like, holy shit, I want in for it.

And Joe's probably like, hold on a second, this has nothing to do with me. I never used a typewriter.

I just couldn't get over when I was listening to the album how many digs there were at Maddi Healy. So I did touch on before the line you smoked then ate seven bars of chocolate, and then she referred to him as a tattooed Golden retriever falling asleep. This was one of the lines that actually leaked before the album. You and Amy actually spoke about it on Friday Show and we were all convinced it was fake. We're like, oh, this is just one of the AI songs. And Amy, she may not be on the show to defend herself, but at the time she said that it was a stupid line. And I think Taylor has got her good because she has released a song where there is a lyric that says, fuck you, Amy.

I am going to enjoy listening to that when I'm mad at Amy. I think that's one of those car songs that I will get around from time to time.

We will get into it later, but we do know that Amy is actually code for Kim Kutashan.

Here. There's also a song called I Can Fix Him, No, really I can, which is of course about Maddie and Taylor references jokes that are revolting and far too loud, and also speaks about the public's opinion on her love life, and she sings they shook their heads saying God help her when I told them he's my man. And all of this does appear to be in reference to those racist remarks that Maddie made about rapper I Spice, who Taylor is now very good friends with.

Yeah, it's pretty interesting that she made that appearance at Coachella just before this album dropped and really cemented the fact that she is in full support of I Spice.

Yeah, definitely. Taylor is obviously very strategic and when we see her own public there always seems to be a message behind it. Taylor's new single Fortnite, also appears to be about Maddie, as she references a short but intense relationship. Superslus have also pointed out that the Fortnite music video references Maddie's band nineteen seventy five more than eleven times, and the look and feel of the video is very reminiscent of a number of nineteen seventy five's music film clips as well.

How weird was it seeing post Malone with out tattoos on his face and then in reverse Taylor with his tattoos on her.

Face almost didn't recognize him. Now, so far, Maddie has not publicly responded. However, these so called closed sources have spoken apparently on his behalf. So One of the sources claims that Maddie was given the heads up about the album by Taylor's team and apparently he was very appreciative of that. The source also said that Maddie thinks very highly still of Taylor, but admitted that he was nervous about what she might say about him on the album and he doesn't want every swifty in the world thinking that he's the villain.

I do love how Maddie here leaves. Auntie has come out to the Daily Mail and given a quote, so she said that nothing surprises him anymore and that Taylor writes about all her relationships so he won't be shocked. She also said that Maddie has since moved on with a model who he's been dating since September, so he will be focusing on that. I'm sure he's really glad that his auntie decided to do paid interview with Daily Mail.

Well, apparently Denise, which is Mattie's mum, is not happy with Taylor. I keep seeing on TikTok photos of Denise and Taylor popping up, so they clearly know each other quite well, and she said that Taylor's lyrics about his drug use were too personal and took things too far. And the source also said that Denise is wondering why Taylor is suddenly changing her mind about his jokes being too far, as she was willing to date him during that time.

I mean, of course, his mum is going to stick up for him. I do think she did take it to a whole new level with the smallest man that ever lived. I assumed that was going to be about Joe or Scooter Braun fuck like everyone's saying, it's a mix between all too Well and Dear John, but it's just gone an extra level.

You definitely wouldn't be happy about the name of the drag.

One person who I think would be very happy with this album is Travis Kelsey, So I didn't think there were going to be any songs about him. I thought the timing was a little bit off for him. However, it appears there are two about him. So the first is The Alchemy, and this song is absolutely riddled with football references. Taylor touches on her on field moment with Travis after he won the Super Bowl, saying shirts off, and your friends lift you up over their heads, beer sticking to the floor, cheers, chanting because they said there was no chance trying to be the greatest in the league. Wears the Trophy. The second song is called So High School, and I do feel like there's a connection to her song fifteen from Fearless, because in fifteen she talks about how your greatest achievement won't be dating the guy on the football team. However, in this song she compares falling for the footballer to being sixteen again. And I just love it because I think her next album, if all things continue to go well with Travis, it's going to be very different. It's going to be upbeat, and I'm really looking forward to that. Even though everyone's saying, oh, she needs to take a break, blah blah blah, I think we've all got time for an upbeat album after.

Y Yeah, A lot of her songs about Travis seemed to be really happy, and this song, in particular, So High School did really have Fearless vibes to it, and it felt like I could imagine it being on an iconic American high school movie Yeah Me Too. Taylor is also generating a lot of headlines for writing a disk track to Kim Kardashian and it is called thank You Amy, and fans quickly notice that the capital letters on the track spelled out Kim I Love actually references that no one will ever be able to decode who Amy is.

But then in order to actually create this easter egg, she just went back to her roots, which originally when she started putting East within her albums, she would just put capital letters in certain words and fans, would you create a word from that? It's so basic, this easter egg, and it's all like, oh no, but no one will be able to work out what it is.

We have had a lot of listeners writing in asking us to do a deep dive on this feud, so we are going to be dedicating Thursday as subs episode to exploring it in the detail that it deserves, because there is a lot there. But from a top level, this feud does date back to the two thousand and nine VMAs when Kim's ex husband Kanye West storm the stage writers Taylor was making her acceptance speech for Best Female Video, and in that infamous rant, Kanye said that Beyonce was robbed and had the best Video of All Time, and then that feud really escalated in twenty sixteen when Kanye released his song Famous saying I Feel like Me and Taylor might still have sex, and that is where Kim entered the chat, because she released several clips of a supposed conversation between Kanye and Taylor where she appeared to give her support for the lyrics, because she later came out and said that she wasn't aware that he was going to use the word bitch in his lyrics to describe her. But in March twenty twenty, a longer recording of the phone call emerged, and it painted a more complex picture, and it really backed up Taylor's version of events because it showed that Kanye didn't actually outline the insulting words that he planned to use in the song. There's a lot of people criticizing Taylor for bringing this all up again and saying, can't we just leave it in the past, But I absolutely love it, particularly how she fired shots at Northwest. I mean, I know Northwest is a I don't know, ten or eleven year old. However, it's so interesting because there was a lot of talk about how the Kardashian children actually wanted to go to the ears to where they were buying e merch. And there's this video that surfaced of Kim and North actually dancing and miming to Taylor's hit song shake It Off Now that has been doing the rounds on TikTok, of course, because Taylor added this line to the song, one day, your kid comes home singing a song that only us two is going to know is about you.

That's just brilliant.

She also went as far as saying that her mum, who is a saintly woman, everyone loves Mamma Swift. She basically said that Mamma Swift wish Kim Kardashian dead, and my jaw absolutely hits the floor when I heard this lyric. I want to how Andrea felt about that, because it doesn't really paint her in that well of a light. Do you think she purposely used the words saintly as well because Kim and Kanye do have a child called saint Oh definitely, I think that there were just so many little references in there. She definitely wants everyone to know that she is talking about Kim Kardashian. And since the song dropped, Kim's comment section has been full of fans writing thank you Amy. I think that Kim had to know that this song was coming. We've heard sources say that Matt Heally was given the heads up from Taylor's team, so you would assume that the same courtesy would be given to Kim. And I think the fact that the album title was so brazen makes me think that there is a bigger game plan here. Because Taylor's publicist, Tree Pain, is one of the most powerful people in the entertainment industry, and she is described as a PR mastermind. I just think something more is happening in the background that we're not aware of yet. I think potentially Tree Pain has approached Kim's team and has asked permission for Kim to be involved in this narrative with a broader PR plan in mind. Because a number of Taylor's friends have recently done photo shoots with Skims, including her Australian support act Saprina Carpenter, Lana del Rey, and most recently Brittany Mahomes. And I just think that Taylor isn't going to go out for Kim if her friends are involved in her brand. I think that maybe behind the scenes, Kim and Taylor have had a conversation about how they can build a friendship arc. So are we going to see a new story arc where Taylor and Kim publicly come back together. We've seen Taylor do this with Katie Perry. She reunited after Taylor dissed her in Bad Blood because Katie, if you will remember, she was in Taylor's film clip you need to calm down dressed as a hamburger.

I don't think this theory really holds up for me because it doesn't make sense for me for Taylor to reopen this old wound. You know, you spoke about the timeline two thousand and nine and then twenty sixteen. This was quite a long time ago. People have moved on. I think that this is still very personal. I think that Taylor wants people to know that she's not willing to forgive Kim. I don't know how much her friends have to do with it. I think she'd be fine with them to make these career advancements and pose for Skims. But I don't think we're going to be seeing any sort of public friendship come from this.

Yeah, you're right, Kate. There was so much negativity around this few that is why. I don't understand why she would bring it up for no reason. Why would she want this sort of negativity around her album release. I mean, the media scrutiny fueled by this initial feud actually made her lead the spotlight for a year. So I just think that there must be a bigger strategic plan in place of why she's bringing this all up again.

Yeah, but the reason wouldn't be so she can then be publicly friends with Kim, Like that literally makes no sense.

Like, yeah, but Kim's not with Kanye anymore and Kanye seemed to be the problem.

Yeah, but then the song only takes aim at Kim, which again confuses the whole thing altogether, Like it literally would make no sense for them to then suddenly be friends, Like if there was a song where it was like, oh, yeah, I forgive you because it was actually Kanye's fault. Maybe, but to me, this does not seem like a plausible reason at all. I just think that Taylor is now in such a position of power that she can be like, well, yeah, fuck you Kim.

Yeah. Well, she did ultimately thank Kim in a way and say I wouldn't be where I am today if it wasn't for you, and that incident in my life, so you never know. I guess we'll have to just watch this space. Personally, I think that there is more to it that meets the eye.

Respectfully, you look like you're pushing forty five. Stop getting filler or bodocks, whatever you have.

It looks so bad forwenty five. People are currently asking TikTok how old they look, and the answers aren't very nice. Is this dominating anyone else's feet at the moment, it's all I'm saying, yes, And it is all my fault because I am feeding into that algorithm because whenever I see a video like this, I immediately head to the comments and try and find out how old the person actually is. And it's very much like a car crash because.

It's never going to end well for the person who's uploaded the video, because you just know that people are going to be so mean for the sake of it, because it's TikTok, and there's never going to be a situation where someone poses this question on the app and doesn't get their feelings hurt. And it's quite ironic because growing up, we were taught that you don't ask a woman how old they are, and if you ever were asked comment, you always automatically say younger than you think. How we're on TikTok, all those rules are out the window.

I think it's ironic that gen Zetter's actually started this trend, and it seems to have stemmed from this fascination with how gen Zettas are aging, because, as we've touched on a couple of times, there's a theory that fillers and botox are actually making them look older.

And it seems like this obsession is really trickling down to tweens. So the term Sephora kids has been doing the rounds on TikTok and it categorizes tweens who beg their parents to buy them anti aging skincare, and you'll often see them in Sephora. So there does appear to be this general consensus online that young people are freaking out about aging more than anyone else did at their age, and this is in turn setting us off as millennials as well as Gen x's and boomers, because we're all starting to freak out thinking, well, if they're old, what does that make us? And I do think gen Zettas are to blame in this situation because it seems like they're freaking out about the fact that they're getting old, so then in turn, they're trying to make us feel even more out of touch because you only have to think about this whole punching down on millennials that's happening on TikTok over our skinny jeans and our side parts.

If I hear one more thing about socks, I will scream because I just feel like any socks I wear wrong at the moment, and I think a lot of out og listeners will know that I am a bit of a slob. It is quite rare for me to even get a pair of socks that matches. I don't really even want to meet this on the podcast, but I'm like, do people even think that deeply into socks, because if they do, I am being judged harshly every single day.

Well, I'm still confused as to what socks I'm supposed to be wearing, because apparently the sockets, the no show socks are just so embarrassing. But they're great if you are a slob like you, Sophie and don't have matching pairs because you can't see them However, there is a pressure if you are wearing socks that actually show that they have to match.

Yeah, I mean, I'm hearing people talking about wearing different pattern socks. I just think that at the moment, it's really difficult to especially in winter, to find the right sort of shoes that go with the right sort of pants. So I don't even want to add the equation of socks into this.

Yeah, it's just something I don't need to add to the stress of getting dressed at the moment.

I do think.

Going back to these TikTok videos that people's reactions to how old people look is really demonstrating how warped our beauty standards are at the moment, because I think we're so used to seeing people and like regular people with filters, that when we do see a natural face, we just immediately think it looks older than it is, and I think that people are starting to lose the ability to recognize what is actually normal.

My algorithm is more showing me people who have had a lot of work done, and people are guessing that they're a lot older than they are as well. Ah, I see, I'm getting more people that I personally do agree.

I thought they were older than they are and they're like, oh no, I'm actually twenty eight. But I do think that we are losing this ability to recognize what is normal, even with just beauty standards, because think back to last year when someone called Margot Robbie mid on Twitter, like, I just think that people's opinions of what normal people should look like are so warped at the moment.

Well, I'm definitely not keen to put out a video where I'm practically welcoming people to either tell me how old or how young I look. I don't think that that's very good for anyone's mental health at the moment. I think that is where we will leave you today. Thank you so much for joining us. If you have enjoyed today's show, could you please make sure you are subscribed on Apple podcast and also Spotify. And if you do want to hear more about the feud between Kim Kardashian, Kanye West, and Taylor Swift, please tune into our subs episode on Thursday.

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