Up next, Out Loud with Joanno called part of the Beginning with New Yorkers flee their citious politicians use the coronavirus to seize power and attack religion. Meanwhile, our country continues to endure political chaos in the aftermath of the election. This is Outlied with Gianno calling Welcome back to Ally with Gianno calledwell, I have a great show for you today. My guest today is my friend, my colleague, and someone you may know very well. Her name is Lisa Booth. She's a prominent journalist, political analysts, and commentator. Lisa is currently a Fox News contributor and senior Fellow for the Independent Woman's Voice, an organization that fights for women by expanding support for policy solutions that aren't just well intentioned, but actually enhance people's freedom, opportunities, and well being. Lisa also founded High New Strategies, a boutique political communications and PR firms, and previously served as this President. Before then, she spent years working on Capitol Hill and for political campaigns. Let's go, Lisa Booth, thank you for joining Out Loud with Giano called Well, it's such a pleasure to have a friend, a colleague, someone who I call on the phone and say, hey, what do you think about this? It's such a pleasure and honor to be on with you. How are you doing today? Hey, my friend, it's great to be hon with you too. Also in Italy for those listening, it did take me about fifteen minutes to get everything situated. You mean, don't try to lord account to millennial. I know I might be trying to figure it out. I don't know yet. I feel like some of your older guests might have been able to figure it out earlier. So I'm a little, uh, I'm a little embarrassed by that. You know, we have this technology and then we'll we'll find out if you're a millennial. We want to see there, I'll share, I'll share. Okay for lawn full launch Asparency love it now now that we've got that out of the way right now now now they were fully on. So I want to start with the coronavirus. And I know you've been posting a lot about this on Twitter, and everybody should be following on Twitter because you have a pretty dynamic Twitter and you tweet at least every five seconds, so it's always twenty times a day. Lisa bof is not so. I mean a lot of people are. So, We're a lot in the same post. Millions of Americans just celebrated Thanksgiving last week, and they did it without their families and a lot of cases because of COVID nineteen. Some cities and states are reimposing certain lockdown measures as the cases have increased, Which brings me to something you recently tweeted. Since we're talking about your Twitter, and it really caught my eye. You wrote, as much as this year has sucked, it has forced a rep prioritization of the things that actually matter in life. And then you say, before I got so caught up in a busy day to day, I was focused on things that aren't actually fulfilling. That really struck me. Can you elaborate on what you met and they into which you were thinking of politics? Well, hopefully I spilled everything correctly, but everything correct No, I mean, so, here's the thing I think with COVID, and you probably I'm sure you feel similarly. So, I mean, look in our day to day lives, especially when you're living in cities like New York, it's it's go, go, go, right, like you're you're going into the office, you're meeting with friends, you're going to a happy hour, you're doing this, you're doing that, You're trying to get this thing going, and you're just so busy. And I think a lot of the times when you're that busy, you actually don't really have time for sort of like stillness and self reflection and sort of figuring out what do you actually want for your life? Are you at the place in your life that you truly want to be? And with COVID it's forced stillness in a way. Early for me, I haven't really had and quite some times I've always been go, go, go, busy, busy, busy and not really taking a moment to really be stopping and looking at my life. And I think with the coronavirus, I mean I went home to my parents house for like three months, which I thought I was escaping shutdowns by leaving New York and then Virginia also shut down, so jokes on me, but it was nice to spend that time at home. And it was also just at times like really sort of sit back and kind of like taken my life and sort of figure out like what do I really want and have I been doing things right? And have I been making the right decisions, and I think that's healthy and you know, and it actually I think it's led to some productive things and some changes that I've been making that I think her for the better that maybe would have happened if I hadn't have had that time for stillness as it brought you closer to God, it actually has, and it's probably closer to my family as well, particularly my parents. I mean, look, I'm thirty five, so like the last time I've spent that much time at home, like it was probably before college, right, like when you're in high school. So just sort of being able to spend that time at home, spending that time and also just kind of made me realize to like, I mean, this is probably getting really real. But like even just wanting a family, right, like wanting to get married, wanting these things that like I didn't necessarily give as much time and thought to pre COVID, you know, because you're just so busy, like living your day to day and just kind of realizing like and like, look, work is important, and like we're both strivers, were both people who really want success and want to work hard to achieve our goals, and those are things I still want for my life. But I think I put so much emphasis on the workfront and what I wanted from that and kind of let my personal life and let the things that actually bring more fulfillment sort of like subside and not paid as much attention to that. And I like that's at least one of the big things that I've kind of recognized for myself. So so not a lack of desire. I still really want to be successful, and certaly really want you are successful. Let's thank you. Success is a day to day I think your point is so salient, especially when it comes to me. So I've been thinking about marriage and family a lot. And I'm two years younger than you know. I'm thirty three, but i'll be thirty four December seven. Yeah, I know, I know, but still in on. I don't want to be like an old dad. And I have a friend who got married maybe a couple of years ago, and he will be like kind of an older guy that's like fifty years old picking up his kids from pre k and I was like, I don't want to have that from my life. I wanna be somewhat young. So I get what you're saying and I think there's millions of Americans that are thinking the same thing. There's a lot of people that are getting married during COVID, so that that's an interesting perspective that I think a lot of people can agree with. And speaking of New York, since you mentioned that, and I know you know you've been living there for quite a while, the Supreme Court just temporarily barred New York strict restrictions on a number of people who can attend religious services and houses of worships worship. Brother Governor Andrew Como has imposed no capacity restrictions on certain businesses such as liquor stores and bis repair shops and a lot of other things. But churches and synagogues are somehow you know, you gotta you gotta watch watch those folks going into these religious ceremonies. We don't know what may happen with the COVID, but keep the liquor stores open. We're good with that. What do you think of that, Well, it's tyranny. It's tyranny because you look at the unequal application of the First Amendments, like we look at the fact that you've got people like build the Blasio. No problem with thousands of people going out in the streets to riot, the you know, set cop cars on fire to try to cause harm to the city. It's really actually gonna hurt the people they purport to care about. So the no problem with that, That's totally cool, Like go out in the masses, no masks, be around people, or go out and celebrate after the election, that's totally well. But if you want but if but if you want to go worship, if you want to go practice your religion, if you want to practice that element of the First Amendment, no dice, that's not welcome in the city of New York. And so it just goes to show what hypocrites these people are we're seeing this time. I mean, it's it's it's like it's just so much right, you look at people like Nancy Pelosi going to get her hair done when other people can't and businesses can't be open and salons can't be open, and people can't be earning a living. Same thing with Lorie Lightfoot going out in the middle of the pandemic done. She did that getting her hair and Johnah, she said, because she's a public face. Like you know, right, like there's how many how many people are like running successful businesses or or whatever, like doing their jobs and happen to be on zoo calls, also happening to care about their appearance. Right, But somehow Lorie Lightfoot is better than them, is entitled to that when the rest of our citizens aren't, When people at barber shops or salons are struggling to survive, but like, no, you know it doesn't matter for you, but you could open for me to go get my hair done. But if you want to try to earn a living and put food on the table of the you know the table if you're a family, No, right, so like it's and then or even look at the mayor of Denver, right tweeting you got to stay home, do zoom calls online for Thanksgiving, don't spend time with your family, don't travel And then he goes on and gets on a flight. These people don't believe any of the things that they're pushing. They don't believe their own guidelines. Gavin Newsom. People look at yeah, going out to French laundry with a bunch of people indoor dining in the Meanwhile in l A they're shutting down outdoor dining and sing Yeah, it's all garbage. They don't even believe the science and their own guidelines. Yeah, yeah, you're correct about that. And I'll tell you, being a person who's lived in l A since seventeen two months in to the l A shutdown, I just couldn't do it anymore. And I decided. It was a Wednesday night at eleven PM, and I'm gonna be honest for the audience. I was watching Bad Boys three and I said it would be interesting to live in Miami. And that was a Wednesday. By that following Wednesday, I was on a plane to Miami looking for places. About that next Friday, I was actually moving in to the Intercontinental Miami while I was waiting to get approved for the place that I'm in now. And I know that you have talked about on social media. You and I have talked about it personally about how upset you are about the tyranny that's going on in New York and it may bring about a change in terms of where you're living. Is that right? Yeah? I mean, I'm actually we're going to be neighbors because I so. During the pandemic, like early on, I spent two weeks in Florida and it was free, you know. And then I'm so I was literally free, like the trip was free. No, no, god, it wish it was open. It was open. But yeah, yeah, that Spirit Airlines. But okay, I have flown Spirit, but I have to my person last time. It's till it's treat whatever. I'm all about saving a book. So no, it was just it was freedom, right, So like it just was a completely different mentality of approaching the coronavirus and what I had been experiencing in Virginia when I was staying in my parents, and then also when I went back to New York and what I've been experiencing here for the past few months. It's just a completely different mentality. And so I thought to myself, I am tired of living in a place like New York City where it's tyranny right, where there's an unequal application of the regulations and an equal application of the rules, and also a lot of times things that scientifically aren't even sound. And then also what I mentioned before was sort of like the stillness aspect a city like New York. It's go, go go, And so when you don't have those things, like you don't have all the restaurants. You don't have the plays, you don't have the you know, going out at night, you don't have all these things that keep you busy. You sort of stop and take in the city and you're like, this city sucks, right, It's gross. It smells like p there's trash everywhere. There's freaking giant racks that rats that are like taking over the city right now. You've got people, you know, going around shooting up drugs, walking around naked, got people that want to do harm to the city with with I am going up with the riots that we've seen as well, breaking in stores, looting, and you're just like, why am I here? And you pay so much money for rent? Taxes are enormous and you're not getting anything from it. So I said, I'm done with this. I'm moving to a place where there's freedom and a place that has a mentality that's closer to the one that I believe, which is, you know, freedom and you know sort of anti thiss tyrannical government that we're seeing right now, and so many cities like New York. So I am escaping and I am so excited, and I am just ready to get out of here to be honest, Yeah, and I look forward to you being here. I'm looking for a good neighbors. I'm excited we're gonna be able to hang out. So this is gonna be awesome. America is deeply polarized and politically divided, and I think some would rightly argue that the country has never been more divided. Is it possible to unify and bridge this gap? Do you think that's possible? And I know that's a tough question. Do you think it's possible? Well, I think we've probably actually always been, uh, you know, divided to some degree, right, So, I mean we used to have like way back in the day, like they beat each other up like that. I think it was, like you know, I mean, so I think there's always been like divide in the country. I think a lot of it is more focused and more on the forefront because of social media, right, so that brings more attention to it, and we sort of see it in real time because you sort of like see people fighting with each other on Twitter, Whereas maybe that stuff was sort of behind the scenes before social media bring into the forefront. So I think it's always kind of in like that. I do have a concern that there are less things that unite us. And you know, when you look at even like standing for the flag is now political and and sort of everything has kind of become political, which has created this toxic environment, which I think has sort of led to maybe further division in the sense of if you can't have anything that isn't political goal whereas you look at like the NFL is political, NBA's political corporations are now taking political stances. Every award show you watch is political, so like every commercials are political now, so like literally everything is political, and so that creates a lot of toxicity. So I think the way to actually create more unification, or at least to allow people to kind of like take a breathe, breather and take a break from it is I don't think any of these companies should be taking political stances. I don't think you've got Twitter that the Twitter is entirely political now, and I think that's the that's the source of the poison in the country from my perspective. To be honest, I completely agree, Lisa, But let's pick that back up when we come back from the break. Stay with us. You know what it seems to me, especially with mainstream media, and I think we can throw in Twitter, Facebook, Instagram is mainstream media now because everyone uses it. And what we saw in this past election especially, is a social media company is looking to calue with the Democrats to ensure that there's a Biden win and that that was their aim. That was their goal, and they've been working this goal and aim four years now. I think we saw after the election that people was reported that folks at Google was saying that they should have done more to try to see that Donald Trump would lose the election. And it's it seems like, I think for a lot of Americans, when we're in a divided society like this, conservatives, I think it felt under attack for many many years and it just hadn't been necessarily seen. That's why Fox News was such a popular network because it was the only one that wasn't a part of the mainstream crowd. But conservatives head at least a corner to go into to hear this free thought things that they agree with and also see a challenge because you know, of course on Fox Democrats and Republicans going and debate the issues. So now to me, it seems like the country, I don't know how we're gonna unify beyond this moment because Democrats have helped divide the country. May stream media has helped divide the country, and they can't go out and say, hey, not that the election is semi over, although the election results aren't official just yet. They can't go around and say, hey, you know, we need to come together. No, you've been a part of the poison pill, as you just stated, Lisa, and you know what we need to do is talk some truth and facts, and I'm not hearing a lot of truth coming from the mainstream media. They've been a part of this toxic culture. Well yeah, And it's hilarious because you've got all these people who basically for the entirety of the Trump administration saying that everyone supports Trump is racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, which none of these things are true, but labeling Trump supporters is all these all these like horrific terms, right, and then now they're like, oh, we need to unify, and you're like, screw you, Like I don't want to unify you. You've literally called us all these names. I will I don't. I don't want to unify you. In fact, what I want to do is to go out in two and defeat you and then go out in defeat you again because your policies are toxic and you're part of the problem. And so no, I don't want to unite with you, Like I think that's ridiculous to even ask that, and it showed it's like so arrogant. And if you look at too, like why these social media companies worked so hard to defeat Donald Trump, The reason is he was so successful in utilizing them. Remember that one of the Facebook exects, I can't remember his name off the top of my head, but he came out and said that basically the Trump campaign had used face like the campaigns that they the campaigns that they had run were better than any other campaign he's ever seen, and we're wildly successful in helping him win the White House. And so that's why after that moment after lunch, and we've seen this turnabout, particularly from the left, of trying to get Twitter to shut down the Trump campaign, trying to push for this censorship is to stop him from utilizing those tools successfully, and they were able to do that in a great regard because as you mentioned, you know, Twitter literally suppressing even the share rain of the Hunter Biden story and stopping that and then shutting down conservatives, taking them off Twitter, suspending those accounts. And that's really we're actually in a really, really scary places of society because if you look at the fact that so we've had people on the left for years now the humanized Trump supporters literally just to human It's the same thing that democrats do on abortion when they call unborn babies clumps of selves. Right, if you dehumanize something, if you make it seem less than, then bad things happen. Right, You're opening the door for the kind of violence we saw against Trump supporters during the march. We saw in Washington, d C. After the election, it got violent at night with Antifa and Black Lives Matter. It opens the door for Democrats trying to put Trump supporters on lists, and all of that continues to go down some really dangerous past that we we should not be going down as a country, particularly when you go back and you know, look at things historically. So it's we're we're in a bad place right now. And you know what's interesting to me that you mentioned the list. When I see folks on the left, what they do not just Trump supporters, but just conservatives in general, the way they attack, the things that they say on mainstream media, the MSNBC s and the CNNs of the world, the things that they say, and how it's just accepted and it's embraced. And I'm talking about some of these very negative basket of deplorables that the no Hillary Clinton said that. But it's just as oh, if you're a Trump supporter, if you vote for conservatives in general, you're a racist, point blank period. And of course, me growing up on the South Side of Chicago, that's what I was taught from from birth. Basically, if the person is a Republican, it doesn't matter the content of their character, any of those things, then they're legitimately a racist. That was what I was taught, and it took years before I learned the real truth. But the interesting part is they continue to push this, Oh, we're about unity, we're about love, we're not about discrimination. But yet and still the folks who are supposedly not about discrimination are the ones that discriminate the most. It's insane, It's completely insane, and I just to understand, how do how do they even go out with these mantras in their party. It doesn't make any sense to me. You guys are none of the things that you say that you are. You're not about love and unity as you say you are, because you will say that and then you'll say something evil and sinister in the next moment. So what's the point. Well, and their policies are set that somehow we're all inherently born different, that we're all inherently born in different places in life. And I think the way conservatives view the world is we're all the same, right, like we're not we were all we're all born like we're all God's children. Is the way that like I was taught to view life, right, like, we're all just human beings. And I think democrats have a different viewpoint. And when you look at everything through you know, racial lens, through uh you know, lens of sex, through all these different lens, of course, that's going to lead to division because you're seeing the world differently, you're seeing people in different lights versus just seeing everyone as human beings. Right, So, like, yeah, I agree with you. I think their policies and the way they view the world is inherently discriminatory and it's wrong personally, Like I I think we should work on policies that just up uplift all Americans, right Like, regardless of race, regardless of sex, We're all just human beings. We're all at the same level, the same playing level. And I think you know, obviously there are things that you know, really make it hard for people to compete in life when you look at especially income, right Like, so certainly someone regardless of race, if you're born into a poorer neighborhood, you have less advantages of someone born into a higher income level. So I certainly believe in giving people hand up in life who need it, particularly from like a socio economic stance. But you're right, like, I think a lot of the way that the left us of the world leads to a lot of division. I think Trump was really able to capture that and to see that in the sense it like, I don't know, I feel like where we are right now in society, I really feel like the people in charge and the people that have the most power, I've never been more out of touch with the rest of America. Like, I don't know if you feel the same way. And COVID and and you know, John of COVID's made it so much worse because we've seen this like massive transfer of wealth and everyone on who's rich has gotten richer, and then people that are like middle class have suffered more because if you have a small business, a lot of those businesses are gone, the people who work for them no longer have jobs. And especially like that generational wealth in the sense of if you have a family run business and it's under that means like everything your parents work forced gone, everything your grandparents worked worth gone, and what you're going to leave to your kids is gone. Right, And and then all the policies that we're seeing from the left are making it worse because when you continue to shut things down, when you continue to lock things down, it's the middle class and it's the hard working Americans that are suffering, and all your elite rich friends on the left are getting richer. And it's really messed up, and we're going to be dealing with the consequences of this for a long time to come. Yeah, correct about that now. I'll tell you I was reading some reporting that said that over four hundred and fifty thousand businesses have fouled bankortcyasons to started the pandemic. So I'm imagining that number is growing tremendolee since then, and that brings me to my next topic, which is about the politics of it all. How is the House gonna look. We gain a lot of House seats this past election, and we're hopefully gonna be able to win these runoffs in Georgia, which are extraordinarily important, and encourage everyone who's under the sound of my voice, whether you be conservative or not, you, if you live in Georgia, vote for the Republican And I'm gonna tell you why. You should want to see divided government. You should wanna make government compromise and work together for the good of all. You should want to see that. And I think that's personally what's good, whether it be Trump's in office or as the Joe Biden presidency. Again, the election results aren't officially at this time, so whoever's in the presidential seat at that point, you should want to see all sides work together for the good of all Americans, not just one party rule. And that the I think at the end of the day, that's the best outcome for things to get done and force those who we are paying to go work for us, not to just sit around on and not do anything but actually work for the American people. So what do you think the outcome may look like. Who do you think would be the frontrunner for for the presidency. Well, I hope for purposes of the January five runoffs. You're totally right. Republicans have to win. Anyone who is listening in Georgia, you have to get out, you have to vote, get your family because Republicans need a check if Joe Biden is in the White House, if Democrats have the House, which they're going to have, you need a check in the Senate. And the difference that that's going to make is being able to prevent people like Bernie Sanders potentially serving in the cabinet. You're gonna get more moderate cabinet positions versus some of these crazy progressives that we're saying. You're going to get more moderate judges versus liberal judges, and you're going to prevent Democrats. If Democrats have a majority in the Senate, they already talked about potentially blowing up the filmbuster. If they do that, they can create they can create a you know, two extra Senate seats with Washington, D C. And Puerto Rico. They can do things like the Green New Deal. All bets are off at that point. So that's why Republicans need to have a Senate in two. I think you're going to see an uprising because, as we've been discussing, the people that are in charge in this country are so wildly out of touch with actual Americans. And the funny thing is the Left always tries to pretend like they're the party of the working classes, which now is Republicans, but their policies and their shutdowns have probably done more to hurt the working class than maybe any other policies in history. They have destroyed the middle class right now during COVID. So I think what we're gonna see in two is similar to what we saw in twenty ten with the Tea Party, similar to what we saw a President Trump happened to that populism in and again of just this feeling that the people in charge do not represent us. Because what you're going to have is, if it's Joe Biden in the White House, someone who's been there forty seven years, right, what does he know about real America after being in the swamp for forty seven years. You're gonna have Nancy Pelosi, who's been in office for decades, and regardless of it's Mitch McConnell, which exchumber, you're gonna have someone there who's been in office for decades. So you're gonna have everyone who's in charge having been in public office for so long that I think it's it's it's impossible to stay in touch with the average American when you've been in Washington, d c. And tainted by government which is inherently corrup for that long. And like credit to Mims McConnell for getting conservative judges in, but still he's been there for so long. Okay, So I think you're gonna have a lot of people just feeling like they're not represented. And then you're going to have these corporations that have now gotten and consolidated so much more wealth because of COVID, they're going to have, you know, the economy is going to be hard hit because all of these jobs that employ so many Americans, all these small businesses are going to you know, probably not have survived COVID. And then you're also going to have the fear from COVID having subsided with the coronavirus vaccine. So we're going to be left with the dust settling and a full picture of the carnage from coronavirus, which is going to be essentially, you know, largely a lot of economic calamity as well as children falling further behind in schools. And I think there's just gonna be this disenfranchisement and this anger and this you know, voters feeling really disaffected and not represented, and they're going to turn out in mass and I think we're gonna see a lot of primaries, uh, and we're gonna see Republicans taking back the House. I really do think so. Yeah, I agree with that assessment fully, and I think there's gonna be some governorships that go from Democrat to Republican hands, and certainly some some local races that are going to do the same thing. I think people and even in cases where Republicans may have been too strict and some of these local areas, if they went the way of the Democrats, I can see them being voted out as well. At the end of the day, it's about we the people, not we the political party. And I think at the end of the day, for a lot of Americans, they're just piste off. They want to live their life like they were living in before we can do so safely. And what is it gonna do? The shutdown a bar or restaurant at nine or ten o'clock. Does that stop COVID? I don't think so. I mean, do you are you aware of any science? I could be wrong, So that's why I'd like to ask, are you aware of any science? Say COVID stops is on break or maybe he takes off of the night or what. I guess that's like the COVID witching hour or something. But yeah, like that's when it comes it out more. But you know this say, is what I really get frustrated with with the coronavirus coverage is you can desire to put the coronavirus in context and to provide perspective while still taking it seriously and not wanting anyone you love to get it because you still see I mean, the problem what we've seen from the media and really from the start and what they did. It was almost the entirety of the coverage had like the same people saying the same things on about the coronavirus, and there was a lot of dissenters and a lot of people out there, like distinguished people like Dr E. Needs of Stanford. He was like one of the you know, world renown epidemiologists. He's debunked more bad research than like most people. I think he's like one of the cited epidemiologists in the country. You had people like Dr Scott Atlas out there. These are distinguished, intelligent people that were raising different points. And like what Dr Needs was saying, I believe back in March, or maybe it was even yeah, I think it was back in March. And what he was talking about is that from his perspective and looking at the data, that the death rate was actually significantly lower than what was being talked about at the time because we didn't really have a great data set to look at to look at both infectivity rates and death rates. And he was right, and nobody listened to him. And then further than that, not only did people listen not listen to him, but they condemned him. He was called names, he was ridiculed, and you actually look at the death rate and where we are today, he was right, and it's probably even lower than we actually think because the CDC has already said that we're missing cases by like tenfold because of how many asymptomatic and mild cases there are, And what that would mean is that the death rate is actually lower than what we're looking at. Even now that's not saying it's not serious. I mean, of course you can look at the data and look at the fact that you know, if you're seventy and older, if you have underlying conditions, of course it's scary to get it and you don't want to get it, and so we have to protect those people. So you can look at all that context and you know, look at it and still take it seriously while providing context and perspective, but that that context and perspective has really been lacking and the way it's been covered. Yeah, but let's pick that up when we come back after the break. I just think that if there is Joe Biden as president and I and I want to be clear for people on one point here beyond just the COVID, because I know people say, like, hey, Giano, the the election is really over. Trump is going to lose. Joe Biden got ten million more votes and all this other stuff and he's losing lawsuits, et cetera. Here's the Here's the point that I want to draw the people President Trump has not conceded. As of the recording of this podcast, President Trump still has ongoing lawsuits. And I believe that you have to respect the process. The electors have to go in and elect whoever, whoever the president is going to be, and that's still an ongoing process. So with respect to the fact that there's a lot going on in this space right now, it is not up to me to decide who the president is. Is not up to me or the mainstream needed to decide or or say who's president or not not. Rather for there to be the lawsuits, you know, have their way and we see what happens there before we start saying, Okay, President Trump is absolutely out office and he's done. I'd rather let the process play out before we make any declarations. So with that being said, and you know, moving beyond COVID, now that we kind of have an idea of at least what we predict may happen in two Let's say, in the event, any event that Donald Trump is not president and Joe Biden is actually sworn in as President of the United States. President of the United States, who do you think would be the likely GOP front runner in I like de Santis. To be honest, I like Ron De Santis a lot. One because he will be my new governor. Two. I like the fact that I think from a policy perspective, he shares a lot of like the beliefs and sentiments of President Trump. I also think he's a fighter in the sense of if you look at I mean, he faced fierce backlash on the coronavirus in the way that Florida's estate was handling coronavirus, especially in contrast with states like New York and California, and he did not back down. And that's the path forward for Republicans because, as we've noted throughout our conversations, everyone's against us, right. So you've got most of the media is against us. Corporations are against us. Twitter is literally trying, you know, rigged the election against Donald Trump. The left is against us, right, So the deck is stacked against us. And the only way you win is with someone who's tough enough to withstand that and withstand the heat. And so you have to have a fighter. You can't have another Rhymney, you can't have another George W. Bush. You can't have someone who just backs down, he capitulates and bows down to the left, and once they're you know, once they're praise, you have to have someone who's going to double down and fight. Yeah, you know you that's an interesting point. I never ever ever thought about Rhonda Santez is a guy that would I would see running for president. But you I think you you you provided an analysis that a lot of people, after listening to this podcast, they're gonna think and say, wow, I never thought about that, but maybe you're right. He did double down in Florida. He said, hey, I'm moving removing all COVID related restrictions. There will be no restrictions. I want to ensure that businesses are open and they can thrive. Now, there's local restrictions in some some areas like local city councils or or county govern him as have applied restrictions, but there's no no restrictions from the state level. So I think that does vote well. But you don't think a guy like Mike Pence, maybe a guy to run, a good Christian guy who who served as governor of Indiana and of course served as Donald Trump's vice president, you don't think he would make for a really splendid presidential candidate. I like the Vice president a lot. I have an immense amount of respect for him. I think he is such a good man. I think he's a smart man. And when he was getting so much he for saying that, you know, he respects his wife too much to go out and have dinners with female staff or other I actually respect that was right before the me to era too. Yeah, Like I think he's yeah, So I think he is such a good man. So like I really I have no like, I think he's amazing. I just I think we need work in a place politically where the left, even though they got what they wanted from the election, they're still making enemies less. Okay, that's that's not enough for them. So we're in a place where we just need someone who's fearless and who's a fighter. I also don't think that I will ever vote for someone in a primary who isn't a business and a business person man or woman, or a governor, because I just don't think when you're in the Senate or Congress, I just don't think you have the tools you need to govern and the way that you obviously develop as a governor or business person. And I think the reason why President Trump was such a successful president was because he really did have an outsider perspective. I mean, you go back and you look at that clip from John Kerry in ten he said the only path to peace in the Middle East is through the Palestinians. Like that's basically the school of thought that all these people before had about solving the Middle East problem. And then here Trump comes in with an entirely different perspective, a business perspective, and has gotten more AIRB Israel deals than we have ever had in history done in a single term, and so or or even just using tariffs to try to get Mexico to step up on a legal immigration, using that to solve problem, using sanctions smartly against Iran, uh so, just literally looking at things from an entirely different problem solving perspective as an outsider and someone who's done negotiations and business dealings in the past. Whereas the reason why Joe Biden is going to be if he ends up in the White House, which you know, looks like that's probably gonna be the case, the reason why he's going to be such a bad president is because he's been in DC for forty seven years. So every belief every way he views a problem is from that sort of toxic, corrupt government perspective and also viewing the problems in the same failed way that all the politicians before him have viewed the problems. And that's why when you look at the issues, he's literally been wrong about pretty much everything, and he's going to be a terrible president and we're all going to suffer as a result of it. Yeah, and I would tell you Joe Biden's flip flap more times than Gucci sandals on South Beach Market. I should get a pair. I don't have a Paris I'm not. That's a little bit too elite. Is that? Who knows? I don't know. I don't know if I want to pay for them. I'm too ching. No worries at all. So as we are ending the show, because we've been on here talking the good talk and providing a lot of analysis, what's next for Lisa Booth? I know you work in Fox News Channel. That's great. I know you're gonna be there for a while. But what's what's next for Lisa Booths? Yeah? I love TV UM It's you know, I really just enjoy it. I love the ability because I used to work in politics, and I love being on the outside and really being able to you know, because when you're speaking for someone you're not you know, you're obviously your interests or to represent them and make sure that they're fully represented in the things that you say and you do. And I love being on the outside of politics and being able to speak for myself and just being able to be a pent like this is what I believe, this is the way I see it. So I love that. So I'm very thankful to be in this position. I'm trying to I'm working on trying to get a podcast going. I'd love to people have that outlet as well, and then also working on a couple other things I can can't talk about yet, but I will let everyone know about as soon as I can. Yeah, just working on some more ways to really be out there because I just honestly it makes me sad because I just think there's so much wrong in the country right now, and you know, COVID's really just underscored a lot of those things with the way that like the people in charge just really couldn't care less about the people are representing, Like all these people who have not heard one person and advocate for shutdowns who would actually have income be impacted by them. Right, So like these people they don't care. It's true, they don't care, and like it really yeah, like it makes me mad. So there's a lot of things that I think are wrong, and so you know, I'm doing the best I can from what I'm able to do, to to try to at least talk about them and to get conversations going, and to hopefully advocate for people who made me feel like, you know, if they don't have the opportunity to at least have, you know, a public platform to talk about some of these things. So that's kind of where I am right now. Uh, advocate the run of office, no, because I just think Congress is so broken. I think politics are so broken. Like I worked on Capitol Hill for a number of years, and I worked for some really good people like Sandy Adams who's no longer there, and you know, Mark Meadows who's no longer there. So I was blessed to work for some really awesome people. But it's just broken. And I think people be there, you know, they're there for too long and they lose touch with the people they are representing. So I just I don't think. I think it would frustrate me. And I think you can get more done on the outside, to be honest, And I really think there's gonna be a movement over the next two years of people just really seeing how broken everything is that the media. You know, a lot of people in the media don't represent them and don't really care about them and don't care what they have to say, and don't have an interest in getting to know them or getting to know their concerns. You're going to have like Twitter and Facebook and Google consolidate even more power under a Biden administration. You're gonna have leaders who acted like they cared about Trump supporters and Trump who have turned their backs on him, you know, who turned their backs on the supporters. You're gonna have a lot of people, I believe that really just feel like they're not represented. So I'm going to do my best to try to understand their needs and communicate that and the positions that I have, you know, and try to listen and you know, not become one of those people that are so out of touch with like what's actually going on in the country. Right. Yeah, No, you're correct, and I I appreciate that I think from my perspective, especially being in very similar positions as you. You're my colleague over at Fox. I'm thankful that I have an opportunity to do the same because we have. Although we we we we have very similar ideology. In a way, we have some different perspectives based on the way we grew up and I grew up in a very different way, one in which typically doesn't lead a person to be conservative. But certainly growing up poor and having a mom addicted to drugs, I think changes your perspective in life. And I also think for me personally, I agree with something you said earlier in the podcast when you talked about giving people a hand up, especially those who who grew up in these very marginalized environments. But I think with God, all things are possible. You can supersede anyone who grew up with the highest level degrees and the best family partnership with God will change all that. And I talked about that in my last podcast with Dr Bill Winson. I hope everyone and listen to that. But I want to certainly thank you Jonathan. Just sorry, sorry, sorry, I know we were trying. And I also just want to say I have so much respect for you and like your story and what you've done because like, admittedly, look I was born, I haven't had those struggles, right, and so like I've had a lot of opportunities like other people have in life, and so I just like I have so much like you just work so hard and you know, and that's why you've had the success you have is just sheer determination and hard work. So I just like I have a lot of respect for you as a good friend and a colleague for just how hard you work and like charting your own course in life, that's very like, that's awesome. So you know, much respect to you, my friend. Thank you someone I really really, really really do appreciate you saying that. Not never I always say because people would call me exceptional, and I always reject that label because I think we're all exceptional all of the If you're not exceptional, you certainly can be. And you you mentioned that where all God's children, we all have potential. We all have this hidden ability. You have to call the potential and it's up to you to pull it out. It's up to you to do the work is up to you. So for for those who who talk about the government, and institutional racism, which I do. I know a lot of people don't think it exists. I do believe in institutional racism, and I think ninety four crime bill pushed by Joe Biden is institutionally racist. That's what I believe. But I think, in spite of all of those odds, me personally, a partnership with God changes the dynamic completely and totally and will supersede whatever is going on in this natural world. And that's that's personally how I feel. And I want to thank you so much for those warm, warm compliments, and I totally, I will heartily agree with your statement about a relationship with God and also just family's important, God's important, friends are important, and those are the things that bring the most fulfillment in life. And you know the things that I think if we work our hardest to get settled, the rest comes with it, you know, I agree with. And that's that's the blessing of being able to do this work, to have people see an example of something different. Whereas society says if you grew up in this particular way, you should end up like this, when God is saying your path has already made just walk down and don't fear so I appreciate that. Lisa, thank you so much, my friend, my friend, thank you, thank you. In Miami it was This is going to be a great one. Thank you. You're gonna have to show me around my friends, you know I will. We're gonna go to all the foolest places wherever we can. Full Loble Dennis. Let's go be free. It'll be awesome, right, absolutely unlike New York. So until then, we'll talk soon and certainly everyone follow Lisa Booth on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and Harlor and we'll be sure to keep you posted on what Lisa Booths on next. This is Out Loud with Gianno called Well. Thanks to Lisa Boo for a great interview. If you're enjoying the show, please leave us a review and rate us with five stars on Apple Podcast. If you have any questions for me, please email me at out Loud at ginger Street six dot com and I'll try to answer them on our future episodes. You can also find me on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, and Parlor at Giano Caldwell. If you're interested in learning more about my story, please pick up my best selling book, Taken for Granted, How conservatism can win back to America's at liberalism fail. 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