Are you curious about funeral potatoes, the Enneagram, and the problem with meteorology? Chris and Michael have an engaging conversation with Jonathan Press; one of Michael’s closest friends and discuss those important topics and more! His incredible journey surviving gay conversion therapy through the infamous Exodus International Ministries, coming out as a gay man while in Christian culture while building a family brings deep, thought-provoking discussion that we know you will enjoy. It’s all in this episode of Ordinary Interesting!