On the Tiles is back for 2024, and we're kicking off with the story set to dominate over the next year. As the Government prepares to have a debate on the principles of Treaty of Waitangi, Thomas talks with Victoria University of Wellington professor Dr Luke Fitzmaurice-Brown (Te Aupōuri) to discuss what the principles are, the differences between the Treaty and Te Tiriti, and what the consequences of this debate could be.