Health care in New Zealand eats up a huge portion of the budget each year, and it's growing - The Government spent 7.3% of GDP on health in the year to June 2024, more than any year outside of Covid. 

Treasury reckons spending is expected to grow to 10% of GDP by 2061 - so how can we get on top of it? 

This week, Thomas is joined by Sir Bill English, who served as Health, Finance and Prime Minister during his time in Parliament, for a long-form discussion on what's needed to fix our health system and get spending under control.