Life never stops teaching. It is us who stop learning. The day you stop learning is the day you start dying. The best selling authoring most the number one health and wellness podcast and Purpose with Jay Sheetty.

Life never stops teaching. It is us who stop learning. The day you stop learning is the day you start dying. The best selling authoring most the number one health and wellness podcast and Purpose with Jay Sheetty.

Hey, everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every one of you that come back every week to become happier, healthier and more healed, which is our mission here On Purpose to help you live happier, healthier, more healed lives. And today's guest is someone who's been on the show before, but someone that I always find fascinating, not just because of his insights or takeaways, but more so how he approaches problems, how he.

Hey, everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every one of you that come back every week to become happier, healthier and more healed, which is our mission here On Purpose to help you live happier, healthier, more healed lives. And today's guest is someone who's been on the show before, but someone that I always find fascinating, not just because of his insights or takeaways, but more so how he approaches problems, how he.

Thinks about goals.

Thinks about goals.

I've always been really intrigued by how he can look at things from completely different angles and perspectives. I'm speaking about none other than Navine Jane Award winning book Moonshots, Creating a World of Abundance. Navin's current Moonshot adventures are and Moon Express and as a serial entrepreneur, Navien previously founded Infospace Intellius and talent Wise. Andome's singular mission is to make illness optional, which I find so brilliant and I'm so curious about. Navin has been the recipient of many honors for his entrepreneurial successes. These awards include Entrepreneur of the Year by Ernst and Young, and Most Creative Person by Fast Company and Top twenty Entrepreneurs. Please welcome to the show, Navin, Jane Navin, it's good to have you back on on Purpose. It's good to have you back on the show.

I've always been really intrigued by how he can look at things from completely different angles and perspectives. I'm speaking about none other than Navine Jane Award winning book Moonshots, Creating a World of Abundance. Navin's current Moonshot adventures are and Moon Express and as a serial entrepreneur, Navien previously founded Infospace Intellius and talent Wise. Andome's singular mission is to make illness optional, which I find so brilliant and I'm so curious about. Navin has been the recipient of many honors for his entrepreneurial successes. These awards include Entrepreneur of the Year by Ernst and Young, and Most Creative Person by Fast Company and Top twenty Entrepreneurs. Please welcome to the show, Navin, Jane Navin, it's good to have you back on on Purpose. It's good to have you back on the show.

Well, jaf First of all, it's always such a pleasure to see you. It's such a pleasure to be on your show, and I think your energy and your positivity always brings such a joy to my life.

Well, jaf First of all, it's always such a pleasure to see you. It's such a pleasure to be on your show, and I think your energy and your positivity always brings such a joy to my life.

Thank you, well, you're very kind.

Thank you, well, you're very kind.

I meant what I said that whenever I sit down with you, you're one of the few people in the world I genuinely believe that approaches problems from the most unique perspectives and the question you ask about the world and solving the world's biggest problems. I rarely people can talk about the theory of that, but I've experienced you do it, and I think that that's a remarkable gift and I want to start there because I want people to experience that too. When you came up with this idea of making illness optional. Talk to me about a bit about how you think that way. Because most people are trying to end illness, or most people are trying to avoid illness, you t about making it optional. So let's talk about how you create these moonshots and create these ideas.

I meant what I said that whenever I sit down with you, you're one of the few people in the world I genuinely believe that approaches problems from the most unique perspectives and the question you ask about the world and solving the world's biggest problems. I rarely people can talk about the theory of that, but I've experienced you do it, and I think that that's a remarkable gift and I want to start there because I want people to experience that too. When you came up with this idea of making illness optional. Talk to me about a bit about how you think that way. Because most people are trying to end illness, or most people are trying to avoid illness, you t about making it optional. So let's talk about how you create these moonshots and create these ideas.

You know to me, the questions you ask is the problem you solve, So fundamentally asking the question is the most I would say, the best skill you can ever learn as an entrepreneur. But as an entrepreneur, what most people somehow think that if they do something small, it's easier to get started. And what I learned is it is so much easier to do something audacious, something that's going to change the trajectory of how humanity is going to live, something that can impact the lives of billions of people around the world, and that's so much easier to do. So every time I start a new company, I ask myself three questions, why this, Why now? And why me? And why this is really simple? You start backward and say, God forbid, I am actually successful in solving this problem? Would it help a billion people live a better life? And the reason for that it's not just because a philanthropic thing to do. It is really easy from a capitalistic point of view to see that if you can build any product, any service that helps a billion people live a better life, you can create a hundred billion dollar company. But you don't wake up in the morning and say, I'm want to create a hundred billion dollar company. What should I do? Making money is simply a byproduct of doing things that improve people's life. So I'm going to repeat everything you do. Ask yourself, how is it making someone else's life better? Because if you do that, they become your most loyal customer. And if you have most loyal customers, you have a great business. Right But people somehow always think I want to make money rather than I want to do something that helps people. Yes, that's why this So in the case of Wyome, we started thinking that, you know, we as humanity are suffering through this epidemic of chronic diseases.

You know to me, the questions you ask is the problem you solve, So fundamentally asking the question is the most I would say, the best skill you can ever learn as an entrepreneur. But as an entrepreneur, what most people somehow think that if they do something small, it's easier to get started. And what I learned is it is so much easier to do something audacious, something that's going to change the trajectory of how humanity is going to live, something that can impact the lives of billions of people around the world, and that's so much easier to do. So every time I start a new company, I ask myself three questions, why this, Why now? And why me? And why this is really simple? You start backward and say, God forbid, I am actually successful in solving this problem? Would it help a billion people live a better life? And the reason for that it's not just because a philanthropic thing to do. It is really easy from a capitalistic point of view to see that if you can build any product, any service that helps a billion people live a better life, you can create a hundred billion dollar company. But you don't wake up in the morning and say, I'm want to create a hundred billion dollar company. What should I do? Making money is simply a byproduct of doing things that improve people's life. So I'm going to repeat everything you do. Ask yourself, how is it making someone else's life better? Because if you do that, they become your most loyal customer. And if you have most loyal customers, you have a great business. Right But people somehow always think I want to make money rather than I want to do something that helps people. Yes, that's why this So in the case of Wyome, we started thinking that, you know, we as humanity are suffering through this epidemic of chronic diseases.

Right.

Right.

We call them with different names, diabetes, obesity, heart disease, depression, anxiety. You know, call them Parkinson's, Alzheimer or God forbid cancer. These are all the diseases. Younger and younger people are getting them, and literally every one of us during our lifetime is expected to have these chronic diseases. And it occurred to me that we as humans as haven't evolved in the last fifty or one hundred years. It's millennials to change human genes. Then why is it in the last fifteen hundred years this epidemic is growing. And it occurred to me, if it is actually growing, there's got to be a way to actually slow it down and reverse it, right, And our thought was, what if we can understand the human body at a molecular level and find a way to use guess what food as a medicine? What a new concept right to be able to actually understand what foods are good for you and what foods are not. People say, oh my god, such brilliant and I tell them that brilliant idea came twenty five hundred years ago when hypocritics says, let food be thy medicine. So I am not inventing anything. I'm reinventing right, And that's the you know, it's beauty of the thing. So we say, look, what if we can understand and make illness optional? And why did we say make illness optional? Because I don't think I, or you or anyone has power to eradicate chronic diseases, but each one of us has a power to do something about ourselves. That means being healthy is a choice, and that means being sick is a choice. And that's how you make it optional by empowering each person to know what they should be doing and what they should not be doing. Right, So, now, the second part of the moonshot puzzle is why now? Why now? Is very interesting in a sense that you have to ask yourself what had changed in the last couple of years, but more importantly, what do you expect to change in the next three to five years that will allow you to solve this problem at scale in three to five years. And more importantly, this problem couldn't have been solved five years ago, because when something could have been done five years ago, that means that technology already existed for someone to solve it. And the fact it's not being solved is a very different problem. Right, so, you say, can I intercept tomorrow's technology is to solve tomorrow's problem rather than use yesterday's technology to solve tomorrow's problem. And then the most important question in my mind is why me? And why me? Goes back to the question you ask, what question am I asking? That is different from what everyone else in the industry is asking, because, as I say, the questions you ask is the problem you solve. So I'm going to give it a couple of framework here, because that's, to me, is a crux of why people fail. So in my previous company, Moon Express, we were our mission is to go to the Moon and settle on the moon, and someday we can talk about why do that. But every time I say that we're going to go become a multiplanetary society, everyone will ask the same question, which is how are you going to grow the food on the moon? And to me, that question is generally a good question, except the wrong question, because when you ask a question how to grow the food on the moon, the only solution is to find a way to grow the food. But if you ask a slightly different question that says why do we eat food? Just by asking why do we eat food? We say, oh, only reason we need food is for energy and for nutrition. What are the different ways can we get energy? Plants get energy from photosynthesis. A lot of bacteria who grow in radioactive nuclear waste they get from radiation. They get energy. The point is, now you have many more ways of solving a problem than simply growing the food that are different. So by asking slightly different questions, you end up finding solutions that no expert would have ever thought about, because that was not the problem they were solving. Yes, now, coming back to Yome, the problem we were trying to solve was finding the way to make illness optional or finding the way to solve the chronic diseases. We noticed that every expert was asking the same question. They want to know about what's in my DNA or my genes, and somehow, if I know your DNA, your genes can solve the problem. Now, I am not a doctor or a scientist. It occurred to me, like anyone else will tell you you DNA never changes. So I am born with my DNA that I get from my mom and dad. Now, imagine somebody did my DNA test and told me here is what you should be eating. God forbid, I gained two hundred pounds. My DNA is still the same. Should I keep eating the same thing? Probably not. Now I get diabetes, my DNA is still the same. Should I change my diet? One would say, hope, so, But DNA hasn't changed. Now I get heart disease, my DNA hasn't changed. And then I die, and you were to look at my DNA ten years after I die, it's still the same. You can look at the DNA of a dinosaur, right. So if DNA can't even tell you you're dead or alive, how will it ever tell you you're healthy or sick. But what's always changing is not your genes, but your gene expression called RNA or m RNA. And we thought, wow, why can't we imagine RNA. We didn't know how to do it, we didn't even know it could be we done. But simply asking the question, we're not going to look at genes, We're going to look at you gene expression allowed us to look at the problem so differently. And the second part that was very interesting to me was I read a lot. It's just like you, just like our friend Jim Quick or others. We just read a lot. And I was reading all the scientific papers and it turns out every single disease is connected to something called microbiome. And for a life of me, I don't understand what this microbiome was. And you can google, by the way, Parkinson's and microbiome, cancer and microbiome, Alzheimer and microbiome, diabetes and microbiom Anything you want is connected to microbiome. And I'm thinking what you said. If everyone believes that diseases are caused or somehow impacted by microbiome, and the ten companies doing microbiome testing, then why is this problem not getting solved? So it's not a uraka moment. I'm thinking, Navien, you are a moron. This can't be a problem. And then it occurred to me to go back to the first principle, what question are they asking? It turns out Jay, to date, every single company that looks at your microbiome is asking the same question. What organisms are in Ja's gut? What organisms are in the beans cut? And there's somehow thought that will help you solve problem. Now, not being an expert, it occurred to me, I don't know what these organisms are. They probably like a tiny human beings in my mind right, And I thought, Wow, what if the ten thousand different organisms could be producing the same thing that's making me sick? So it's not about who they are, but what they're doing, or the same organism can produce something good in your gut environment, and the same organisms can produce something bad in my bad gut environment. So take a person in put them in a good environment good behavior, put them in a bad environment bad behavior. So our thought was, what if we can find out what they are doing and how to changing our human gene expression, we can solve this problem. Right, So punish the sin, not the sinner. As Gandhi's here, The idea was a focus on what is it they're doing that's wrong, and then focus on that right, And that literally was the concept behind WYO. Well, it turns out all the story that we didn't know how to do RNA testing and no one has ever done it. In fact, no one does it today other than Wyome, because we found the technology at Los Almos National Lab where they were doing a biodefense project, and this was one of the project was to find out if we're going to protect our country against bioterrorism, when the organisms are there, what they are producing, that's how they can create antidote for it. And they had developed the technology, so we licensed the technology, hired the people and build this thing to help humanity live better. And that's the only reason they gave me the license because they realize I am not simply building a company to make money. I'm doing it for the benefit of humanity, and since our taxpayer dollars were spent, and they say that is a perfectly good application of that. Yeah.

We call them with different names, diabetes, obesity, heart disease, depression, anxiety. You know, call them Parkinson's, Alzheimer or God forbid cancer. These are all the diseases. Younger and younger people are getting them, and literally every one of us during our lifetime is expected to have these chronic diseases. And it occurred to me that we as humans as haven't evolved in the last fifty or one hundred years. It's millennials to change human genes. Then why is it in the last fifteen hundred years this epidemic is growing. And it occurred to me, if it is actually growing, there's got to be a way to actually slow it down and reverse it, right, And our thought was, what if we can understand the human body at a molecular level and find a way to use guess what food as a medicine? What a new concept right to be able to actually understand what foods are good for you and what foods are not. People say, oh my god, such brilliant and I tell them that brilliant idea came twenty five hundred years ago when hypocritics says, let food be thy medicine. So I am not inventing anything. I'm reinventing right, And that's the you know, it's beauty of the thing. So we say, look, what if we can understand and make illness optional? And why did we say make illness optional? Because I don't think I, or you or anyone has power to eradicate chronic diseases, but each one of us has a power to do something about ourselves. That means being healthy is a choice, and that means being sick is a choice. And that's how you make it optional by empowering each person to know what they should be doing and what they should not be doing. Right, So, now, the second part of the moonshot puzzle is why now? Why now? Is very interesting in a sense that you have to ask yourself what had changed in the last couple of years, but more importantly, what do you expect to change in the next three to five years that will allow you to solve this problem at scale in three to five years. And more importantly, this problem couldn't have been solved five years ago, because when something could have been done five years ago, that means that technology already existed for someone to solve it. And the fact it's not being solved is a very different problem. Right, so, you say, can I intercept tomorrow's technology is to solve tomorrow's problem rather than use yesterday's technology to solve tomorrow's problem. And then the most important question in my mind is why me? And why me? Goes back to the question you ask, what question am I asking? That is different from what everyone else in the industry is asking, because, as I say, the questions you ask is the problem you solve. So I'm going to give it a couple of framework here, because that's, to me, is a crux of why people fail. So in my previous company, Moon Express, we were our mission is to go to the Moon and settle on the moon, and someday we can talk about why do that. But every time I say that we're going to go become a multiplanetary society, everyone will ask the same question, which is how are you going to grow the food on the moon? And to me, that question is generally a good question, except the wrong question, because when you ask a question how to grow the food on the moon, the only solution is to find a way to grow the food. But if you ask a slightly different question that says why do we eat food? Just by asking why do we eat food? We say, oh, only reason we need food is for energy and for nutrition. What are the different ways can we get energy? Plants get energy from photosynthesis. A lot of bacteria who grow in radioactive nuclear waste they get from radiation. They get energy. The point is, now you have many more ways of solving a problem than simply growing the food that are different. So by asking slightly different questions, you end up finding solutions that no expert would have ever thought about, because that was not the problem they were solving. Yes, now, coming back to Yome, the problem we were trying to solve was finding the way to make illness optional or finding the way to solve the chronic diseases. We noticed that every expert was asking the same question. They want to know about what's in my DNA or my genes, and somehow, if I know your DNA, your genes can solve the problem. Now, I am not a doctor or a scientist. It occurred to me, like anyone else will tell you you DNA never changes. So I am born with my DNA that I get from my mom and dad. Now, imagine somebody did my DNA test and told me here is what you should be eating. God forbid, I gained two hundred pounds. My DNA is still the same. Should I keep eating the same thing? Probably not. Now I get diabetes, my DNA is still the same. Should I change my diet? One would say, hope, so, But DNA hasn't changed. Now I get heart disease, my DNA hasn't changed. And then I die, and you were to look at my DNA ten years after I die, it's still the same. You can look at the DNA of a dinosaur, right. So if DNA can't even tell you you're dead or alive, how will it ever tell you you're healthy or sick. But what's always changing is not your genes, but your gene expression called RNA or m RNA. And we thought, wow, why can't we imagine RNA. We didn't know how to do it, we didn't even know it could be we done. But simply asking the question, we're not going to look at genes, We're going to look at you gene expression allowed us to look at the problem so differently. And the second part that was very interesting to me was I read a lot. It's just like you, just like our friend Jim Quick or others. We just read a lot. And I was reading all the scientific papers and it turns out every single disease is connected to something called microbiome. And for a life of me, I don't understand what this microbiome was. And you can google, by the way, Parkinson's and microbiome, cancer and microbiome, Alzheimer and microbiome, diabetes and microbiom Anything you want is connected to microbiome. And I'm thinking what you said. If everyone believes that diseases are caused or somehow impacted by microbiome, and the ten companies doing microbiome testing, then why is this problem not getting solved? So it's not a uraka moment. I'm thinking, Navien, you are a moron. This can't be a problem. And then it occurred to me to go back to the first principle, what question are they asking? It turns out Jay, to date, every single company that looks at your microbiome is asking the same question. What organisms are in Ja's gut? What organisms are in the beans cut? And there's somehow thought that will help you solve problem. Now, not being an expert, it occurred to me, I don't know what these organisms are. They probably like a tiny human beings in my mind right, And I thought, Wow, what if the ten thousand different organisms could be producing the same thing that's making me sick? So it's not about who they are, but what they're doing, or the same organism can produce something good in your gut environment, and the same organisms can produce something bad in my bad gut environment. So take a person in put them in a good environment good behavior, put them in a bad environment bad behavior. So our thought was, what if we can find out what they are doing and how to changing our human gene expression, we can solve this problem. Right, So punish the sin, not the sinner. As Gandhi's here, The idea was a focus on what is it they're doing that's wrong, and then focus on that right, And that literally was the concept behind WYO. Well, it turns out all the story that we didn't know how to do RNA testing and no one has ever done it. In fact, no one does it today other than Wyome, because we found the technology at Los Almos National Lab where they were doing a biodefense project, and this was one of the project was to find out if we're going to protect our country against bioterrorism, when the organisms are there, what they are producing, that's how they can create antidote for it. And they had developed the technology, so we licensed the technology, hired the people and build this thing to help humanity live better. And that's the only reason they gave me the license because they realize I am not simply building a company to make money. I'm doing it for the benefit of humanity, and since our taxpayer dollars were spent, and they say that is a perfectly good application of that. Yeah.

Absolutely, absolutely, and I'm so glad. I mean, I've done the test myself and it was the results were fantastic as well, very useful, very insightful.

Absolutely, absolutely, and I'm so glad. I mean, I've done the test myself and it was the results were fantastic as well, very useful, very insightful.

And you know, I mean, we tell you what's happening in your body, Jay, right, So we tell you what's your biological age, what's your immune health. And I don't know if you do the test recently. It tells you your heart health, it tells you your cognitive health, it tells you your oral health, your dental health, your gum health, and it tells you everything that's happening in your body. And then as you know, it tells you don't eat these foods. And here is why. So for me, don't eat broccoli and bristles is spot even though everyone thinks is healthy, and we say no, your self fide production is too high. Don't eat it, right, or don't eat spinach because your oxlate production is not good. Now you can tell here are the foods you should not eat and why. Here are the foods you should eat and why. And then we go step further. Don't take vitamin B three because your uric acid production is too high, or don't take calcumen because you bile acid is too high. But you do need twenty two milligram of LC open, you need eleven milligram of barbary, you do need twenty seven milligram of amilies. And we go through every vitem in mineral, herbs, digestive enzyme, amino acid, probiotic and prebiotic. And guess what. We built a robotic compounding pharmacy where we make these capsule with only the ingredients in the doses that you need on the spot for each individual and ship them to every month. Now, six months later they can do a retest. So no longer is it working or is not working. It's no longer based on faith, It's based on fact, right, And so you can see the progress you're making. And I think, to me, what satisfies me ja most is we have now analyzed over five hundred thousand people and there is not a day goes by where we don't get emails or messages from people that you change my life. I sleep better, I have lost weight, I no longer have brainfall, I have more energy, right, I no longer have you know, things like depression, anxiety, all the things or even batter skin people who are acne or eczema. And to me, not being a doctor and watching changes people's life is what allows us to do hard work every day. And just like you, I think today, I get up every single day at four am. In my life, every day, seven days a week, I get up at four am and I jump out of the bed every day because I believe, if I may use the word, I think I'm doing God's work. It gives me joy, It brings me the pleasure that things I am doing is making people's life better.

And you know, I mean, we tell you what's happening in your body, Jay, right, So we tell you what's your biological age, what's your immune health. And I don't know if you do the test recently. It tells you your heart health, it tells you your cognitive health, it tells you your oral health, your dental health, your gum health, and it tells you everything that's happening in your body. And then as you know, it tells you don't eat these foods. And here is why. So for me, don't eat broccoli and bristles is spot even though everyone thinks is healthy, and we say no, your self fide production is too high. Don't eat it, right, or don't eat spinach because your oxlate production is not good. Now you can tell here are the foods you should not eat and why. Here are the foods you should eat and why. And then we go step further. Don't take vitamin B three because your uric acid production is too high, or don't take calcumen because you bile acid is too high. But you do need twenty two milligram of LC open, you need eleven milligram of barbary, you do need twenty seven milligram of amilies. And we go through every vitem in mineral, herbs, digestive enzyme, amino acid, probiotic and prebiotic. And guess what. We built a robotic compounding pharmacy where we make these capsule with only the ingredients in the doses that you need on the spot for each individual and ship them to every month. Now, six months later they can do a retest. So no longer is it working or is not working. It's no longer based on faith, It's based on fact, right, And so you can see the progress you're making. And I think, to me, what satisfies me ja most is we have now analyzed over five hundred thousand people and there is not a day goes by where we don't get emails or messages from people that you change my life. I sleep better, I have lost weight, I no longer have brainfall, I have more energy, right, I no longer have you know, things like depression, anxiety, all the things or even batter skin people who are acne or eczema. And to me, not being a doctor and watching changes people's life is what allows us to do hard work every day. And just like you, I think today, I get up every single day at four am. In my life, every day, seven days a week, I get up at four am and I jump out of the bed every day because I believe, if I may use the word, I think I'm doing God's work. It gives me joy, It brings me the pleasure that things I am doing is making people's life better.

Yeah, it's UNBELIEVABLEHO know, it's really special, and I know that that's always been your mission. And I want to go backwards for people because I think when people hear about these incredible ideas and the idea that you told to us about now, the idea of asking the question of why do we need to eat? Like why do we need food? That's such a unique, rare way of thinking. Were you always like that in school? Was that a way of thinking you developed and build over time. Let's go backwards a little bit, because I think the way you approach problems is so different. And it is and hence why you're saying that. Most people would ask like, how can you live on the mood? So how did you develop that ability? Was it something that was God given you were born with it? Is it something you developed and where did you start to develop it and when?

Yeah, it's UNBELIEVABLEHO know, it's really special, and I know that that's always been your mission. And I want to go backwards for people because I think when people hear about these incredible ideas and the idea that you told to us about now, the idea of asking the question of why do we need to eat? Like why do we need food? That's such a unique, rare way of thinking. Were you always like that in school? Was that a way of thinking you developed and build over time. Let's go backwards a little bit, because I think the way you approach problems is so different. And it is and hence why you're saying that. Most people would ask like, how can you live on the mood? So how did you develop that ability? Was it something that was God given you were born with it? Is it something you developed and where did you start to develop it and when?

Well, the interesting thing is every one of us had this idea that we were born with certain things, and then you it's easy to blame someone else for all your problems. I am like this because it is missing my genes. This is what I was dealt with the bad cards, right, That is an excuse because remember, your genes are not your destiny, like we talked about in your health, it is your gene expression. You get to control your gene expression changing your environment. Your environment controls your gene expression. Even though people say like, oh, I'm born with these genes and they are mutation that may cause alzheimer, Now think about it for a second. There are very very few diseases that are genetic diseases, and never want to undermine them. They have a special name they call rare genetic diseases. And the reason they call rare genetic diseasions is because they are rare. Most other diseases are not genetic diseases. So when someone tells you you have a gene that is going to cause you Alzheimer, I ask them a simple question, Am I born with that? Yes? So this gene is I am born with. It sits in my body for sixty years, seventy years. One day it wakes up and says, I think I completely forgot to why partly your memory. I'm going to do that right now. It can't possibly happen. It has to change expression of it. That means there has to be a trigger that causes it to do something. And if you can take the triger away, does it matter what gens you have. So point is, don't blame anyone except yourself, including I think I learned from you. Don't tell someone my wife makes me angry or someone else makes me angry. Only you have that power to make yourself angry. Right, So, coming back to answer your question, nurturing or the environment changes who you become. And most people who want to know there is you know? Is there a particular event that happened that made you different. Right. But as you and I both know, life is full of experiences. Every interaction we have changes who we become. People think it's the last straw that broke the camel back, and we all know it's the straws before that it broke the camel back. Right. So my point I'm going to make is that in the simple words, that every day, the people people you surround yourself with changes the way you think. So the most important thing you can do is to find the people who uplift you, people who believe in you, people who inspire you to be better, not simply tell you you are good, they push you to be even better. Right, every day, ask yourself, Am I better intellectually today than I was yesterday? Am I emotionally better than I was yesterday? Am I spiritually better than today than I was yesterday? And grow every day?

Well, the interesting thing is every one of us had this idea that we were born with certain things, and then you it's easy to blame someone else for all your problems. I am like this because it is missing my genes. This is what I was dealt with the bad cards, right, That is an excuse because remember, your genes are not your destiny, like we talked about in your health, it is your gene expression. You get to control your gene expression changing your environment. Your environment controls your gene expression. Even though people say like, oh, I'm born with these genes and they are mutation that may cause alzheimer, Now think about it for a second. There are very very few diseases that are genetic diseases, and never want to undermine them. They have a special name they call rare genetic diseases. And the reason they call rare genetic diseasions is because they are rare. Most other diseases are not genetic diseases. So when someone tells you you have a gene that is going to cause you Alzheimer, I ask them a simple question, Am I born with that? Yes? So this gene is I am born with. It sits in my body for sixty years, seventy years. One day it wakes up and says, I think I completely forgot to why partly your memory. I'm going to do that right now. It can't possibly happen. It has to change expression of it. That means there has to be a trigger that causes it to do something. And if you can take the triger away, does it matter what gens you have. So point is, don't blame anyone except yourself, including I think I learned from you. Don't tell someone my wife makes me angry or someone else makes me angry. Only you have that power to make yourself angry. Right, So, coming back to answer your question, nurturing or the environment changes who you become. And most people who want to know there is you know? Is there a particular event that happened that made you different. Right. But as you and I both know, life is full of experiences. Every interaction we have changes who we become. People think it's the last straw that broke the camel back, and we all know it's the straws before that it broke the camel back. Right. So my point I'm going to make is that in the simple words, that every day, the people people you surround yourself with changes the way you think. So the most important thing you can do is to find the people who uplift you, people who believe in you, people who inspire you to be better, not simply tell you you are good, they push you to be even better. Right, every day, ask yourself, Am I better intellectually today than I was yesterday? Am I emotionally better than I was yesterday? Am I spiritually better than today than I was yesterday? And grow every day?

Yeah?

Yeah?

And I can agree with you more.

And I can agree with you more.

I'm really glad though, how you answer that question from a gene point of view. I didn't expect to go down that road, and I really like that context of how to think about who we are and who we are becoming. And you are right that it's not one event that transforms our life or it's not one moment, but it's a collection of thoughts and a collection of people and collection of ideas. When you were young, what did you think big? Did you always have these lofty goals or did you have.

I'm really glad though, how you answer that question from a gene point of view. I didn't expect to go down that road, and I really like that context of how to think about who we are and who we are becoming. And you are right that it's not one event that transforms our life or it's not one moment, but it's a collection of thoughts and a collection of people and collection of ideas. When you were young, what did you think big? Did you always have these lofty goals or did you have.

To learn to do that?

To learn to do that?

I guess is what I'm getting is because and who were you exposed to like when I grew up? I always say that in my area, I didn't really grow up around anyone who inspired or motivated me in my field of people I met. But my dad would give me the biographies of people like Martin Luther King and Malcolm X and people like that, and those people became the people that inspired me. So most of the people that inspired me were in books, Yes, they weren't anywhere else. Who were those people for you? Where did you interact with them? How did you connect with them? And how did they change the way you thought?

I guess is what I'm getting is because and who were you exposed to like when I grew up? I always say that in my area, I didn't really grow up around anyone who inspired or motivated me in my field of people I met. But my dad would give me the biographies of people like Martin Luther King and Malcolm X and people like that, and those people became the people that inspired me. So most of the people that inspired me were in books, Yes, they weren't anywhere else. Who were those people for you? Where did you interact with them? How did you connect with them? And how did they change the way you thought?

You know, obviously, as you know, I grew up in India. We were very poor. We didn't have you food to eat, we didn't have places to stay. But the thing that none of us lack really is imagination. And it's really let your imagination run wild while everybody's trying to contain you into what who you are and define you who you are, and trying to protect you by telling you what you can't do. Right. Everyone will say, oh, you are born in a poor family. Your destiny is pre written. You can at the most become an accountant and go find a government job that will actually be there for you rest of your life. Anything you're trying other than that is you're going down the wrong path. And out of purely a good intention to protect you, they actually want to contain you to say that is not possible for you, so they're limiting your belief. And what really interesting I found was my mom just wasn't you know, she's alive. She's this unbelievable amount of faith in me. So my dad will say, you know you will never go anywhere, So why are you trying here? Just go get the damn degree in accounting or something so you can have a job. And my mom says, no, no, no, he's very smart. He can do anything he wants. And then she would say sky is the limit. And later I realize in my life that sky doesn't exist. Sky is simply a figment of our imagination. And what she was telling me was in her own way. Your imagination is the only thing that limits to what you can do. We create our own sky. Like when you go from here to the moon, you don't say, mom, I just pass the sky. There is no sky. So point is we create these imaginary boundaries for ourselves. I come from this background, so this is my sky. I'm a woman, this is my sky. I'm a brown person. This is my sky. And everyone creates the sky until you get there and you realize that was all in my mind. It never existed, right. So when I was young, I would look at the moon, and what really interesting to me was I am looking at the same object that the richest person in the world, and he doesn't look at it any different than I can. So I am that richest person in the world because I have the same power that they do. And in my mind it was about there is nothing that I'm sitting here when I look at that star that anyone else can do any differently than I can. In fact, I can look at them better because I am sitting in darkness, and the sky is so much more beautiful than in a city under the light. You can't even see the stars. Right as I came to the United States, and then I started to meet and learn from different people. And as I continue to grow, I started to surround myself with people who had, you know, even bigger. So I thought I was a big fish in the small pond, until I realized there was a big pond out there, and I was a small fish. And then I grow again, right, And I think you know, a lot of the people that have inspired each one of us have been the people who have gone on to change the industry. Now, obviously you not today, you and I probably know most of them, and we met them. But when I actually were being inspired, I knew their name, but I've never met them. Now we get to meet with them, and now you can at least look at them and saying how much they change your life. But I can tell you that the biggest inspiration for me, or biggest mentor for me, has been my own life. Life never stops teaching. It is us who stop learning. So just every experience we have, if we keep an open mind, we can learn from every single person we meet, even that homeless person. If you can give him five minutes of your time, he will tell you about his life story, what got him into where he is, and maybe hopefully you will make that mistake.

You know, obviously, as you know, I grew up in India. We were very poor. We didn't have you food to eat, we didn't have places to stay. But the thing that none of us lack really is imagination. And it's really let your imagination run wild while everybody's trying to contain you into what who you are and define you who you are, and trying to protect you by telling you what you can't do. Right. Everyone will say, oh, you are born in a poor family. Your destiny is pre written. You can at the most become an accountant and go find a government job that will actually be there for you rest of your life. Anything you're trying other than that is you're going down the wrong path. And out of purely a good intention to protect you, they actually want to contain you to say that is not possible for you, so they're limiting your belief. And what really interesting I found was my mom just wasn't you know, she's alive. She's this unbelievable amount of faith in me. So my dad will say, you know you will never go anywhere, So why are you trying here? Just go get the damn degree in accounting or something so you can have a job. And my mom says, no, no, no, he's very smart. He can do anything he wants. And then she would say sky is the limit. And later I realize in my life that sky doesn't exist. Sky is simply a figment of our imagination. And what she was telling me was in her own way. Your imagination is the only thing that limits to what you can do. We create our own sky. Like when you go from here to the moon, you don't say, mom, I just pass the sky. There is no sky. So point is we create these imaginary boundaries for ourselves. I come from this background, so this is my sky. I'm a woman, this is my sky. I'm a brown person. This is my sky. And everyone creates the sky until you get there and you realize that was all in my mind. It never existed, right. So when I was young, I would look at the moon, and what really interesting to me was I am looking at the same object that the richest person in the world, and he doesn't look at it any different than I can. So I am that richest person in the world because I have the same power that they do. And in my mind it was about there is nothing that I'm sitting here when I look at that star that anyone else can do any differently than I can. In fact, I can look at them better because I am sitting in darkness, and the sky is so much more beautiful than in a city under the light. You can't even see the stars. Right as I came to the United States, and then I started to meet and learn from different people. And as I continue to grow, I started to surround myself with people who had, you know, even bigger. So I thought I was a big fish in the small pond, until I realized there was a big pond out there, and I was a small fish. And then I grow again, right, And I think you know, a lot of the people that have inspired each one of us have been the people who have gone on to change the industry. Now, obviously you not today, you and I probably know most of them, and we met them. But when I actually were being inspired, I knew their name, but I've never met them. Now we get to meet with them, and now you can at least look at them and saying how much they change your life. But I can tell you that the biggest inspiration for me, or biggest mentor for me, has been my own life. Life never stops teaching. It is us who stop learning. So just every experience we have, if we keep an open mind, we can learn from every single person we meet, even that homeless person. If you can give him five minutes of your time, he will tell you about his life story, what got him into where he is, and maybe hopefully you will make that mistake.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's I've often thought that the people that are always learning in any situation naturally succeed in whatever endever they have. And when I'm hearing you speak about these ideas, which which resonate with me completely, like very strongly, I start thinking, like today, the challenges that we're not always choosing effectively and curating carefully who influences us, because there's just so much influence. I was reading a study the other day that said the average human is exposed to seventy four gigabytes of information every day. The average iPhone is two hundred and fifty six gigabytes, and a fancy iPhone is one terabyte. Yeah, which means that seventy four gigabytes a day. You know, give it like less than four days and you're already at a full storage of an iPhone. Yes, that's a lot of information, and it's hot odd to know what's useful, what's useless, what's a waste, what's an investment? Because we're just inundated. How could you recommend to people to learn to filter and choose what to give. I'll give you and I'll give you a tum an example. Like, you know, a couple of years ago, it's like everyone's like, you have to be in NFTs, you have to do this, you have to like you know, and then everyone's like, oh, you have to invest in the stock market because now it's this, and like then it's like, oh, you have to be an entrepreneur, and it's like everyone's getting oh, now you have to hustle.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's I've often thought that the people that are always learning in any situation naturally succeed in whatever endever they have. And when I'm hearing you speak about these ideas, which which resonate with me completely, like very strongly, I start thinking, like today, the challenges that we're not always choosing effectively and curating carefully who influences us, because there's just so much influence. I was reading a study the other day that said the average human is exposed to seventy four gigabytes of information every day. The average iPhone is two hundred and fifty six gigabytes, and a fancy iPhone is one terabyte. Yeah, which means that seventy four gigabytes a day. You know, give it like less than four days and you're already at a full storage of an iPhone. Yes, that's a lot of information, and it's hot odd to know what's useful, what's useless, what's a waste, what's an investment? Because we're just inundated. How could you recommend to people to learn to filter and choose what to give. I'll give you and I'll give you a tum an example. Like, you know, a couple of years ago, it's like everyone's like, you have to be in NFTs, you have to do this, you have to like you know, and then everyone's like, oh, you have to invest in the stock market because now it's this, and like then it's like, oh, you have to be an entrepreneur, and it's like everyone's getting oh, now you have to hustle.

We're in hustle culture.

We're in hustle culture.

And so you see this like messaging fat, fat message, fat message that just constantly pushes people. Yeah, And because people don't know their own values and they're not sure about what they really want from life, it becomes very easy to get distracted. How would you guide people into not getting distracted and knowing what is right to focus on?

And so you see this like messaging fat, fat message, fat message that just constantly pushes people. Yeah, And because people don't know their own values and they're not sure about what they really want from life, it becomes very easy to get distracted. How would you guide people into not getting distracted and knowing what is right to focus on?

Well, I think you go back and saying why am I doing it? Let's assume whether there's picking thing you want, whether it's the NFT or a crypto or whatever, how is that what I'm going to do is going to improve someone else's life? Would it improve a billion people's life because I've bought NFT. If the answer is no, then why are you wasting your time? Right? So to me, the biggest thing to learn in life is curiosity. If you ask me, there is one gift you could give someone you love the most. And I hate to say that, the biggest love I have for anyone this world's probably be your children. Anyone I think is your children are the one that you know. They give you unconditional love, and you give them unconditional love. And the biggest gift you can give them is that. So our job as a parent is not to take them to the water and make them drink. Our job is to make them thirsty. How do you make them thirsty? Is make them intellectually curious. Once you give the curiosity to the children, guess what, they will never stop learning. They will always be learning, they'll always find their water, and they'll always be drinking. And that's your goal, is to make them curious. And what makes them curious is to constantly think about what is possible, not what is not possible, what if it was possible? And the two most beautiful worlds in English language are imagine and what if? Imagine if this was possible? What if I could do it right? And that's it. And then they'll constantly and become like a child. Why why why it can't be done? Why I why it couldn't be done before? Right, and asking why makes you curious, and that's how allows you to dig deeper and deeper and deeper. If I may continue on that chart, Jay, I want to talk about you know Edjustate. I have three children, and I want to talk about them for many reasons. One is to show people what really matters in life. It's not just simply about leaving the better world for our children. It's also about leaving the better children for the world to continue to go where not only you get to push the humanity forward, you actually have trained them and made them curious enough for them to be able to continue to push the humanity forward. Right. So, I have three children. Our oldest is thirty two. He went to what and when he was seventeen he started his first company, and that was simply about helping young entrepreneurs as a nonprofit to help young entrepreneurs find mentors for them so they can be successful. And his reasoning, what my dad brought me mentors, and these kids did not have that opportunity, So I'm going to create it for them. Now imagine what happened. He could call anyone in the world and say I want you to help these young kids. Nobody says no to helping someone. In the turn, he built one of the big network he could find of the most influential people. So when he started a for profit company, everyone wanted to be part of this. Right. In fact, just today, my son was oldest was NCNBC in Bloomberg and announcing that he's solving this problem that all the kids of age were suffering from. I go their two problems. I graduate, I can get a job, and generally a decent enough job where I can actually find an apartment. But I don't have the money to pay first month rent, last month land and security deposit. And he said, you know what, what if we don't have that and simply spend five dollars a month on insurance and ensure the landlords so you don't have to have a deposit. And he started that company. Then he realized that everyone was complaining and say, that's great, Ancore, we keep wasting our money on a rent, we get nothing for it. Right, I got to buy a home. He started this company called Built Bilt, Built Rewards, and just I was posting on my Instagram, he announced today he is fifty million at one point five billion pre money valuation. That region I'm talking about, not the money is what he did is so phenomenal. He came up with the concept of a credit card where you can put a rent on a credit card with no credit card fees, no annual fee. Normally, when you put something on a credit card, you pay three and a halfs two and a half three percent. He convinced the master card to wave that fee for rent, and then he's able to now earn points on something you haven't paid anything, and you can use the point to actually buy a home, down payment for a home, or use one to one on any airlines, on a hotel, on Expedia, on Amazon, you can use the points to earn the points on rent and with no credit cards. Gere, what's happening. Landlords love it because they are able to bill you on day one, day two. They have the money you as a renter are not paying a dime more and your twenty one day float to pay your credit card bill. In turn, you earn the points that were completely wasted, and now you can travel, or you can use them for next month rent, or you can use them a down payment and a home, solving the problem that impacted all these people. In turn, he created a great company. Our daughter, our daughter Prianca, went to Stanford Stanford stamp Fellow, Stanford Mayfield Fellow only cared about women's women's education, women's health. First company. She worked removing gender buyers from hiring using AI. Started a company called av Evvy Women's Health company, and just today fast Company recognized as the fastest and the most disruptive company that she started year and a half ago. So she's completely changing the idea of how women's health. What I did not realize, what she told me is until about twenty years ago, women want allowed to be in a clinical studies. That means every drug we have were never designed for women. They're only designed for men. And no wonder these drugs don't even work for women because they were never on a clinical trial. And she's changing that industry. Our youngest went to stand for became a Schwartzman scholar, and now he's solving the problem of home mortgages. Again, it doesn't matter. The point is they find the biggest problem and they realize they can go out and solve it. And why is it? How did that happen. And Jay, you don't have kids yet, but one day you do, I'm going to give you some of the parenting lesson because I have thirty two year twenty.

Well, I think you go back and saying why am I doing it? Let's assume whether there's picking thing you want, whether it's the NFT or a crypto or whatever, how is that what I'm going to do is going to improve someone else's life? Would it improve a billion people's life because I've bought NFT. If the answer is no, then why are you wasting your time? Right? So to me, the biggest thing to learn in life is curiosity. If you ask me, there is one gift you could give someone you love the most. And I hate to say that, the biggest love I have for anyone this world's probably be your children. Anyone I think is your children are the one that you know. They give you unconditional love, and you give them unconditional love. And the biggest gift you can give them is that. So our job as a parent is not to take them to the water and make them drink. Our job is to make them thirsty. How do you make them thirsty? Is make them intellectually curious. Once you give the curiosity to the children, guess what, they will never stop learning. They will always be learning, they'll always find their water, and they'll always be drinking. And that's your goal, is to make them curious. And what makes them curious is to constantly think about what is possible, not what is not possible, what if it was possible? And the two most beautiful worlds in English language are imagine and what if? Imagine if this was possible? What if I could do it right? And that's it. And then they'll constantly and become like a child. Why why why it can't be done? Why I why it couldn't be done before? Right, and asking why makes you curious, and that's how allows you to dig deeper and deeper and deeper. If I may continue on that chart, Jay, I want to talk about you know Edjustate. I have three children, and I want to talk about them for many reasons. One is to show people what really matters in life. It's not just simply about leaving the better world for our children. It's also about leaving the better children for the world to continue to go where not only you get to push the humanity forward, you actually have trained them and made them curious enough for them to be able to continue to push the humanity forward. Right. So, I have three children. Our oldest is thirty two. He went to what and when he was seventeen he started his first company, and that was simply about helping young entrepreneurs as a nonprofit to help young entrepreneurs find mentors for them so they can be successful. And his reasoning, what my dad brought me mentors, and these kids did not have that opportunity, So I'm going to create it for them. Now imagine what happened. He could call anyone in the world and say I want you to help these young kids. Nobody says no to helping someone. In the turn, he built one of the big network he could find of the most influential people. So when he started a for profit company, everyone wanted to be part of this. Right. In fact, just today, my son was oldest was NCNBC in Bloomberg and announcing that he's solving this problem that all the kids of age were suffering from. I go their two problems. I graduate, I can get a job, and generally a decent enough job where I can actually find an apartment. But I don't have the money to pay first month rent, last month land and security deposit. And he said, you know what, what if we don't have that and simply spend five dollars a month on insurance and ensure the landlords so you don't have to have a deposit. And he started that company. Then he realized that everyone was complaining and say, that's great, Ancore, we keep wasting our money on a rent, we get nothing for it. Right, I got to buy a home. He started this company called Built Bilt, Built Rewards, and just I was posting on my Instagram, he announced today he is fifty million at one point five billion pre money valuation. That region I'm talking about, not the money is what he did is so phenomenal. He came up with the concept of a credit card where you can put a rent on a credit card with no credit card fees, no annual fee. Normally, when you put something on a credit card, you pay three and a halfs two and a half three percent. He convinced the master card to wave that fee for rent, and then he's able to now earn points on something you haven't paid anything, and you can use the point to actually buy a home, down payment for a home, or use one to one on any airlines, on a hotel, on Expedia, on Amazon, you can use the points to earn the points on rent and with no credit cards. Gere, what's happening. Landlords love it because they are able to bill you on day one, day two. They have the money you as a renter are not paying a dime more and your twenty one day float to pay your credit card bill. In turn, you earn the points that were completely wasted, and now you can travel, or you can use them for next month rent, or you can use them a down payment and a home, solving the problem that impacted all these people. In turn, he created a great company. Our daughter, our daughter Prianca, went to Stanford Stanford stamp Fellow, Stanford Mayfield Fellow only cared about women's women's education, women's health. First company. She worked removing gender buyers from hiring using AI. Started a company called av Evvy Women's Health company, and just today fast Company recognized as the fastest and the most disruptive company that she started year and a half ago. So she's completely changing the idea of how women's health. What I did not realize, what she told me is until about twenty years ago, women want allowed to be in a clinical studies. That means every drug we have were never designed for women. They're only designed for men. And no wonder these drugs don't even work for women because they were never on a clinical trial. And she's changing that industry. Our youngest went to stand for became a Schwartzman scholar, and now he's solving the problem of home mortgages. Again, it doesn't matter. The point is they find the biggest problem and they realize they can go out and solve it. And why is it? How did that happen. And Jay, you don't have kids yet, but one day you do, I'm going to give you some of the parenting lesson because I have thirty two year twenty.

I'm very open to that.

I'm very open to that.

Right. So here's what happens. These kids were growing up on an a fluent family, unlike I grew up in a poor family. We told them, they're our love for you is unconditional, but our approval is not. That means I'll always tell you I love you, but I will never tell you I'm proud of you. To be proud of you, you have to do things that make us proud of you. And I told them that we will be proud of you when you do things that make other people's life better. That means your success is never going to be defined by how much money you have in the bank. It will be defined by how many lives you improve. They may when they were young they will say whatever Dad, but guess what. Every one of them remembered what dad wants, and they want to make you they're dead proud. And I told them, and I say, I'm proud of you when you do the things that make us proud. We told them that their self worth doesn't come from what they own, it comes from what they create. That means you own a lot, but you haven't created anything. You're still a parasite on society, right, So don't be a parasite. An ultimate goal of the children was always for them to focus on what can they do and make them believe nothing was impossible. So I remember when their kids were born, I was running a very successful company and instead of when I retire, when I sold that company and I realized they were very young, I had two choices. I could sit at home to say, hey, my kids are young, I want to spend time with my family, which is a normal thing to do. It occurred to me, what are what would they be thinking? So imagine if I had told them it's not about money, but Dad just made a lot of money and Dad is now at home. When they go to ski school, what do they see Dad sitting on the sofa watching CNBC. They come back from school, they see dad. He's still at home, and Dad tells them go to your room, work hard, finish your homework. Hard work is what it takes and money doesn't matter. And they say, I watch my dad sitting on the sofa when I grow up. I want to be just like my dad, sit on the sofa and watch TV. And because Dad has money, he can do that, and that's what I'm going to do. Instead, what they saw was Dad started a second company, Dad started a third company. Dad goes crazy, We're going to go to the moon. Dad, No private company has gone to the moon. You're crazy. Well, let me show you how that's done. Dad turns fifty eight. Dad wants to start a healthcare company. We're going to make illness optional. Dad's time to retire. Well, I haven't showed you how it's done yet. The point was they realized at the end of the day that Dad does it because he loves what he does. He doesn't care about making money. He does it because that's what brings him happiness. And anything difficult can be solved. And that's why every one of them is taking on audacious challenges because they see the dad do that. So why we tell our kids what to do? We never show them what.

Right. So here's what happens. These kids were growing up on an a fluent family, unlike I grew up in a poor family. We told them, they're our love for you is unconditional, but our approval is not. That means I'll always tell you I love you, but I will never tell you I'm proud of you. To be proud of you, you have to do things that make us proud of you. And I told them that we will be proud of you when you do things that make other people's life better. That means your success is never going to be defined by how much money you have in the bank. It will be defined by how many lives you improve. They may when they were young they will say whatever Dad, but guess what. Every one of them remembered what dad wants, and they want to make you they're dead proud. And I told them, and I say, I'm proud of you when you do the things that make us proud. We told them that their self worth doesn't come from what they own, it comes from what they create. That means you own a lot, but you haven't created anything. You're still a parasite on society, right, So don't be a parasite. An ultimate goal of the children was always for them to focus on what can they do and make them believe nothing was impossible. So I remember when their kids were born, I was running a very successful company and instead of when I retire, when I sold that company and I realized they were very young, I had two choices. I could sit at home to say, hey, my kids are young, I want to spend time with my family, which is a normal thing to do. It occurred to me, what are what would they be thinking? So imagine if I had told them it's not about money, but Dad just made a lot of money and Dad is now at home. When they go to ski school, what do they see Dad sitting on the sofa watching CNBC. They come back from school, they see dad. He's still at home, and Dad tells them go to your room, work hard, finish your homework. Hard work is what it takes and money doesn't matter. And they say, I watch my dad sitting on the sofa when I grow up. I want to be just like my dad, sit on the sofa and watch TV. And because Dad has money, he can do that, and that's what I'm going to do. Instead, what they saw was Dad started a second company, Dad started a third company. Dad goes crazy, We're going to go to the moon. Dad, No private company has gone to the moon. You're crazy. Well, let me show you how that's done. Dad turns fifty eight. Dad wants to start a healthcare company. We're going to make illness optional. Dad's time to retire. Well, I haven't showed you how it's done yet. The point was they realized at the end of the day that Dad does it because he loves what he does. He doesn't care about making money. He does it because that's what brings him happiness. And anything difficult can be solved. And that's why every one of them is taking on audacious challenges because they see the dad do that. So why we tell our kids what to do? We never show them what.

Did Yeah, I mean congratulations, by the way, And it's amazing to hear about these incredible new companies coming into the world, so needed, so powerful, and so beautiful to see so many purpose driven companies coming into the world, especially in a world where we're constantly hearing everyone wanting to build a billion dollar company and everything, which is just such a it boss me nuts.

Did Yeah, I mean congratulations, by the way, And it's amazing to hear about these incredible new companies coming into the world, so needed, so powerful, and so beautiful to see so many purpose driven companies coming into the world, especially in a world where we're constantly hearing everyone wanting to build a billion dollar company and everything, which is just such a it boss me nuts.

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So but if everyone who's listening to it, if I'm should go to avvy E v v Y, and if you're a woman, we sign up for a v's a women's health company using vaginal microbiome. And the reason I say that is I want her to realize that these are the problems she can solve. Her generation is the first generation that had a shot at solving problem that our generation failed at, failed women at them, and she can solve that.

Yeah, yeah, no, that's incredible. Yeah no, we'll put that.

Yeah, yeah, no, that's incredible. Yeah no, we'll put that.

We'll put that link into the into the show notes as well so that people can access it. I guess when I when I'm listening to you right now, you raised a few points. Then I was thinking that you gave the example of dad watching TV, and I was thinking that so much of our society today has been and actually going back again, you talked about the two most important phrases like imagine and what if.

We'll put that link into the into the show notes as well so that people can access it. I guess when I when I'm listening to you right now, you raised a few points. Then I was thinking that you gave the example of dad watching TV, and I was thinking that so much of our society today has been and actually going back again, you talked about the two most important phrases like imagine and what if.

Yes, so much of.

Yes, so much of.

Our society today has become numb to curiosity and imagination because we simply watch TV. Now, TV and TV shows and movies can be incredible for imagination if we watch them in that way, because the people that made them are very imaginative, the people that made them are very creative. But what's really interesting is that when we simply subject ourselves to sitting in front of a screen and let those images come to us and we don't use them creatively, we actually become numbs. And I find that the majority of media makes us less creative, less curious, even though the people that made it are curious and creative.

Our society today has become numb to curiosity and imagination because we simply watch TV. Now, TV and TV shows and movies can be incredible for imagination if we watch them in that way, because the people that made them are very imaginative, the people that made them are very creative. But what's really interesting is that when we simply subject ourselves to sitting in front of a screen and let those images come to us and we don't use them creatively, we actually become numbs. And I find that the majority of media makes us less creative, less curious, even though the people that made it are curious and creative.

Absolutely correct.

Absolutely correct.

So I guess so many people feel like at the end of their workday because they wake up they do something. A lot of people do something they don't love, a lot of people maybe do something they kind of like, and by the end of the work day when they get home, they just want to switch off the TV, to switch off, that's right, and it's like switch on the TV, switch off your mind. Yes, and then that's how the next few hours pass. How do people find the energy the ability to say, actually, you know what, I'm going to use this time to be more curious, to be more creative, because that's going to lead to a better world for me and for others.

So I guess so many people feel like at the end of their workday because they wake up they do something. A lot of people do something they don't love, a lot of people maybe do something they kind of like, and by the end of the work day when they get home, they just want to switch off the TV, to switch off, that's right, and it's like switch on the TV, switch off your mind. Yes, and then that's how the next few hours pass. How do people find the energy the ability to say, actually, you know what, I'm going to use this time to be more curious, to be more creative, because that's going to lead to a better world for me and for others.

Well, first of all, no one should be doing things that they don't enjoy. So I have a very simple rule in my life. As I said, I wake up at four am in the day. I feel when I wake up at four am, I'm not jumping out of the bed. That means I'm doing things I don't enjoy. So rule number one, when you wake up in the morning, and if you're not jumping out of the bed, you should quit what you're doing because that's not your calling. When you find your true purpose, find your you know not star, you can never ever just lie down because you're so driven to solve that problem. I I may say, you know a lot of people talk about passion. I think the passion is for hobbies. Passion is for losers. The true winners have obsession, Obsession to solve the problem, not obsession about things, Obsession to solve the problem. When you're truly obsessed about solving a problem, you go to sleep thinking about it and you jump out of the bed wanting to do it. And that to me is find something that you're willing to die for and live for it. Find something that you're willing to dedicate your life to solving and then solve it right right. And you know a lot of people give up because there are any time you do something, there are going to be the times that things do not working out exactly what you expected. And to me, that's a sign of you are alive because you're the only way you know when you're alive, because you have a heartbeat, and the heartbeat goes up and down and up and down, and when it's smooth, you're dead. So if you're looking for a life that's a smoothly, you're looking for a life of a dead person. Find things when they're going up and down. That tells you alive. When you are down, just hunker down and know that the next beat is going to be up. And when you're on top of that beat, never become too arrogant, because always remember the winter is coming and winter shall come right. And that is the life is that most people spend their life thinking they need to make money, so they do something they don't enjoy. Guess what, when they come home they cannot enjoy because they wasted their life doing things they don't enjoy. And they turn the TV on as you say to switch off their mind, and now they're being bombarded with the most If you're watching news, unfortunately it's all about negativity for many reasons. Our mind are amike the lies, looking for negative news. So negative news catches our attention, and that's the reason newscasters know to get your attention. If it bleeds, it leads and want to talk about all the negative stuff. So you're bombarded and now you're even more negative than you were at work. And the thing in life is to get yourself out of that mode, not only find your purpose, but truly be grateful for the life you're living in. Many of us have you know culturally or you know or sometimes religiously, we are told before you eat the do grace or do the prayer. Why is that? The reason it is jay is that your body, when it's in the fight of flight response, it stops the digestion. You cannot digest your food because remember the reason your body used to be in fight a flight response because the tiger chasing you. And at that point body says you don't need to worry about digesting your food. It shuts down your immune system, by the way, because you don't need to worry about immune system because you're gonna be lunch for someone else, or if you survive, then everything calm down and back to normal. Today, we live in this world where when we are at work, our boss is stressing us out. We come home, your spouse is stressing you out, and your constant stress mode and you constantly in flight a flight response. And then we eat food in the flight of flight response, it doesn't get digested. Our immune system is not working, so we get more sick, and then we blame everything on the society. And all it takes is find the job you love. When you come home, be grateful for what you loving family you have, give them the love, and in turn you will receive the love. And we're just reading about the new book. Jay, You've got to tell me about more about the book on this love. If you can go figure that out, everything changes, because then when you have love, you're always in the sympathetic parasympathetic mode rather than sympathetic.